Matrix 5

[TheChosen]

Originally Posted by rhyzohm

there are pdfs of all the volumes floating around if you know where to look. try googling, it won't take long. in the meantime, some may find this critical review of the book pretty funny:

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html

Holy... I have to retract my statement .. anyone who states the following has clearly lost the plot in my opinion

# If you feel attraction to the opposite sex, you are experiencing a DNA program that was put there in order to encourage our species to reproduce. In other words, heterosexual attraction is an expression of our genetic slavery. Homosexuality is the natural sexual expression of advanced souls.
# The prime spiritual law is that like attracts like, and so our natural, non-programmed state is to be homosexual for it implies that our DNA programming has weakened to the point whereby we are not obsessed with the opposite sex.

This goes against all the major systems of reality I tend to agree with (Law of one by Ra, Seth speaks, personal experiences of my own etc).. Also for anyone to state they have the 100% of truth and that it is completely undebatable into the system of reality we are in right now.. is pure ignorance on their part.. There are always distortions to any kind of information as a result of personal bias or misconceptions (something repeated over many times in the law of one channeling for example)... so even though the author might have done OBEs .. those are hardly objective as anyone with any real experience will tell you... one single stray subconcious thought or program and you are completely lost in the experience..

I'd really just stick to the Seth Speaks book 1 (haven't read the others, maybe they are just as good) for a well done explanation about the dynamics of incarnations/individual experience. I can't think of any reason why one would bother with the inferior Matrix5 material (which ironically claims to be the most supreme and truth containing book ever in the whole human history...lol... incredible)

[Swanny]

Sounds like the writer of matrix 5 is having problems coping with his sexually.
Gay means advanced soul

[HORIZONS]

The Author states that these are "his" experiences and you need your observations from "your" experiences. What this material does is challenge you at a very deep level to examine what it is you do and why. I too had trouble with several parts of the material but when I looked objectively at why the Author said what he said from his experience, how that made me feel, and is there any truth to it within my experience, I could then see things from a new perspective. Why is it that I am a het? Is it because I "need" a female or because I desire spiritual union? If it is because I desire spiritual union then gender wouldn't really matter because there is no gender in spirit, and sex for sex is not spiritual, but intimacy is. To read the material "correctly" is to read without bias, which is very difficult for us to do. And you also need to read more than a page or two to even come close to what is contained within. If you are not drawn to the materials then let it go without judgment and you will be the better for it. This is not for everyone to be sure.

[gita]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Sounds like the writer of matrix 5 is having problems coping with his sexually.
Gay means advanced soul

I've only read some excerpts and it does sound Matrix 5 contains some really good info with some really unsavoury info. I think it may be a case of not throwing the baby out with the bath water. I shall remain open minded for now til I've read the book which my 'fairy godmother' has told me it's in the post as we speak!x

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by gita

I've only read some excerpts and it does sound Matrix 5 contains some really good info with some really unsavoury info. I think it may be a case of not throwing the baby out with the bath water. I shall remain open minded for now til I've read the book which my 'fairy godmother' has told me it's in the post as we speak!x

An open mind is a good thing to have. Just let go what you do not like, or better yet examine why it is you don't like it and see where that takes you.

The only absolute is that there is no absolute.

[gita]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

An open mind is a good thing to have. Just let go what you do not like, or better yet examine why it is you don't like it and see where that takes you.

The only absolute is that there is no absolute.

Sound advice Horizons - exactly what I was planning.

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by gita

Sound advice Horizons - exactly what I was planning.

If you van get through the book without burning it you will grow

Let me know how the read is going. I would love to discuss the work with someone.

[gita]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

If you van get through the book without burning it you will grow

Let me know how the read is going. I would love to discuss the work with someone.

Burning a book – sacrilege! Although I may use it as a door stopper as it meant to be quite big! It would be good to discuss it with someone though. There’s a thread on Icke’s forum that you may find interesting but there are some personal attack posts that you need to skip over but I suppose a book like this will cause a lot of controversy which may be part of its function (I’m guessing).

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by gita

Burning a book – sacrilege! Although I may use it as a door stopper as it meant to be quite big! It would be good to discuss it with someone though. There’s a thread on Icke’s forum that you may find interesting but there are some personal attack posts that you need to skip over but I suppose a book like this will cause a lot of controversy which may be part of its function (I’m guessing).

Sacrilege to be sure--I stand corrected I have read about halfway through the DI thread and there are some good comments within it. Without a doubt controversy does/will surround this work, for it is difficult at first to understand where the Author is coming from, and many never will; and that is OK too. One of the main points is to regain you power from the external back to the within and to remain in a Balanced state of awareness. This way we are not drawn into the "game matrix" way of things and gives us a backdoor out of all these trappings. (Which seem to abound on all levels of human consciousness.)

[gita]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

Sacrilege to be sure--I stand corrected I have read about halfway through the DI thread and there are some good comments within it. Without a doubt controversy does/will surround this work, for it is difficult at first to understand where the Author is coming from, and many never will; and that is OK too. One of the main points is to regain you power from the external back to the within and to remain in a Balanced state of awareness. This way we are not drawn into the "game matrix" way of things and gives us a backdoor out of all these trappings. (Which seem to abound on all levels of human consciousness.)

Yes, a lot of it has to do with the ‘matrix’ – as if that wasn’t enough Icke’s new book in on the ‘moon matrix’ – everything is a matrix!

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by gita

Yes, a lot of it has to do with the ‘matrix’ – as if that wasn’t enough Icke’s new book in on the ‘moon matrix’ – everything is a matrix!

The moon matrix??? Crap, this matrix is enough for me to deal with, besides I am not planing a trip to the moon any time soon. But it will probably be an interesting read.

[gita]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

The moon matrix??? Crap, this matrix is enough for me to deal with, besides I am not planing a trip to the moon any time soon. But it will probably be an interesting read.

It would be an interesting read. According to Icke his new book contains new info including about the moon. The info about the moon I'm already aware of and have done some clearing work concerning the moon. Am interested to see what he says about its matrix though - darn, more books to read!

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by gita

It would be an interesting read. According to Icke his new book contains new info including about the moon. The info about the moon I'm already aware of and have done some clearing work concerning the moon. Am interested to see what he says about its matrix though - darn, more books to read!

I know what you mean I'm kinda all booked out right now, and another new read is on the horizon I'm sure. I would be interested in your awareness and clearing work concerning the moon. PM me if you want. Off to work...later on

[Moxie]

This is not a very well thought out post I'm about to make, so excuse me that...this is hasty writing, in other words:

anyway, I would go a bit above and beyond the stated quote above pertaining to the gender preference w/the sex act altogether and my intuition tells me it's another smokescreen to try & look thru.

I think it was Stewart Swerdlow that opened this door to me, the idea that sexual energy is one of the most prized energetic "foods" for the gods.... that is, if we, conjure/produce & perform with these energies while In the state of Ignorance of the true inherent power of sexual energies and do not direct our energetics toward a desirable, creative purpose, then you are, in fact, offering up these energies for the PTWere to harness & use for their own purposes.... which is why sexuality is one of the main themes in advertising/media.

Makes utter sense to me! Sex is not simply a feel good thing!

[Moxie]

ps: thank you Gnosis5 for your compliment, very kind of you to take the time to say so.

[pilot]

What would be ideal IMO would be to manage to have my own oobe and not pay too much mind to material like this. I would expect that my experience would differ like everyones would.

I have yet to accomplish this consciously however. What I don't care for is the tone of WARNING and DANGER and LOOK OUT for this and that when you get into the astral...why not just encourage people to have their own experiences and leave it at that? It's nice to have a little guidance but sheesh! Here is a pre-packaged cosmic view that seems distorted by an individual bias.

I agree with the poster who suggested the Seth books.
Seth Speaks (or was it the Seth Material) was the very first esoteric book I ever read way back when, and it set the course for further investigation, I'm really very glad it came into my life when it did and can still highly recommend it.

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by pilot

What would be ideal IMO would be to manage to have my own oobe and not pay too much mind to material like this. I would expect that my experience would differ like everyones would.

I have yet to accomplish this consciously however. What I don't care for is the tone of WARNING and DANGER and LOOK OUT for this and that when you get into the astral...why not just encourage people to have their own experiences and leave it at that? It's nice to have a little guidance but sheesh! Here is a pre-packaged cosmic view that seems distorted by an individual bias.

I agree with the poster who suggested the Seth books.
Seth Speaks (or was it the Seth Material) was the very first esoteric book I ever read way back when, and it set the course for further investigation, I'm really very glad it came into my life when it did and can still highly recommend it.

Thats just it -- you don't read M5 for the Author's knowledge of things, you read it for the EXPERIENCE. I completely disagree with some of the so-called knowledge in M5, I didn't read it to learn more truth. I read it because I was drawn to read it and it was, and continues to be, an experience I would have in no other way. I trust in no other source than my Higher Self - and M5 will help you,as an aid, to look within to that source.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

Thats just it -- you don't read M5 for the Author's knowledge of things, you read it for the EXPERIENCE. I completely disagree with some of the so-called knowledge in M5, I didn't read it to learn more truth. I read it because I was drawn to read it and it was, and continues to be, an experience I would have in no other way. I trust in no other source than my Higher Self - and M5 will help you,as an aid, to look within to that source.

Sounds like a very mature perspective.

Am aware of one of my higher aspects being a dragon mother type who has issues

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Sounds like a very mature perspective.

Am aware of one of my higher aspects being a dragon mother type who has issues

When I first started to read M5 I wanted to burn it But I kept reading and found that it caused me to look deep within myself and why I am the way I am. It helped ME to see my own areas of trappings to this earth matrix so that I could deal with them on my own level, not because of what someone else has to say. M5 can have a profound impact if it is ALLOWED to. It must be understood the the Author's observations are HIS, and you are to have your own. Nothing in M5 is absolute, although that is how the Author writes--that is the style. That is in fact done on purpose to challenge you on many levels. Truly, the Author does not care if you believe him, but you will be affected by the reading of it.

[Mercuriel]

The facet of Polarity/Duality in this Material causes Me to see Hierarchy/Control and while that is quite a bit of the Experience in Matter - I AM sure that We can all say We'd prefer the Top-down approach so as to see within all Realities possible. Not the two floors below approach. To coin a phrase - "We all want to know Whos in the Top Floor Penthouse..." - Right ?

That said - Of course there are MANY HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom but then with that stated by the Author of the Book or It's proponents (Multiple HSs, etc.) Co-ordinate Representation seems to left out within the Understanding of the Unum and the Prime Creator.

All of these HSs are in fact - Co-ordinate Representations of the "One" - "All That Is" - "First Source and Center of All Things" and so to be truly honest and factual without Sophistry - The Prime Creator at It's Level of Understanding is the Oversoul of All the MANY Co-ordinately Representative HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom anywhere within the Unum.

In the Begining - "One".

In Fragmentation - "One" knows Itself through Experience VIA Co-ordinate Representation (Us and all other Interference Patterns/Thoughtforms in Manifestation) thereby coming to know Itself - In Limitless ways.

To leave this most basic Understanding out - How We - All of Us in Manifestation - Are "All That Is" in Oneness with the Prime Creator/Absolute Consciousness - Pushes Me away from this Material and should do the same to Others.

With that stated - Polarism/Duality is Hierarchy and Control - And the Choice for All as a First Level Decision to be made when related to the continuance of an Incarnational Experience is ;

Do I intend to Experience in Matter more, or not ? If the answer is Yes - Hierarchy is the Norm while in Matter. So thats the Choice really - Isn't It ? Reconnection with Source beyond Hierarchy - Or Expereince in Matter w/ Hierarchy under Separation from Source to varying degrees.

Even though Hierarchy lessens as Vibration Increases - Know this - We will have it as Experience in one form or another until We finally return to Source and become Not.

Or Static as a another here likes to display...

Lastly - I will add that while approx. 43% of this Info appears to display great Truths or Knowledge not commonly available as mentioned by others and not only Myself - If You read this Material - Ensure that You can Discern enough to be able to sift the "Wheat from the Chaff" (As I've already stated in a previous post) so as to be able to see where this Recipe is missing some very Important Ingredients...

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by Mercuriel

The facet of Polarity/Duality in this Material causes Me to see Hierarchy/Control and while that is quite a bit of the Experience in Matter - I AM sure that We can all say We'd prefer the Top-down approach so as to see within all Realities possible. Not the two floors below approach. To coin a phrase - "We all want to know Whos in the Top Floor Penthouse..." - Right ?

That said - Of course there are MANY HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom but then with that stated by the Author of the Book or It's proponents (Multiple HSs, etc.) Co-ordinate Representation seems to left out within the Understanding of the Unum and the Prime Creator.

All of these HSs are in fact - Co-ordinate Representations of the "One" - "All That Is" - "First Source and Center of All Things" and so to be truly honest and factual without Sophistry - The Prime Creator at It's Level of Understanding is the Oversoul of All the MANY Co-ordinately Representative HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom anywhere within the Unum.

In the Begining - "One".

In Fragmentation - "One" knows Itself through Experience VIA Co-ordinate Representation (Us and all other Interference Patterns/Thoughtforms in Manifestation) thereby coming to know Itself - In Limitless ways.

To leave this most basic Understanding out - How We - All of Us in Manifestation - Are "All That Is" in Oneness with the Prime Creator/Absolute Consciousness - Pushes Me away from this Material and should do the same to Others.

With that stated - Polarism/Duality is Hierarchy and Control - And the Choice for All as a First Level Decision to be made when related to the continuance of an Incarnational Experience is ;

Do I intend to Experience in Matter more, or not ? If the answer is Yes - Hierarchy is the Norm while in Matter. So thats the Choice really - Isn't It ? Reconnection with Source beyond Hierarchy - Or Expereince in Matter w/ Hierarchy under Separation from Source to varying degrees.

Even though Hierarchy lessens as Vibration Increases - Know this - We will have it as Experience in one form or another until We finally return to Source and become Not.

Or Static as a another here likes to display...

Lastly - I will add that while approx. 43% of this Info appears to display great Truths or Knowledge not commonly available as mentioned by others and not only Myself - If You read this Material - Ensure that You can Discern enough to be able to sift the "Wheat from the Chaff" (As I've already stated in a previous post) so as to be able to see where this Recipe is missing some very Important Ingredients...

Respectfully:
Matrix V vol. 1 is 568 pages; vol. 2 is 240 pages; vol. 3 is 263 pages; vol. 4 is an online pdf and is still being added to and is hundreds of pages as well. How many of those pages have you read? Your comments are not even placed in the proper perspective of the materials, for you do not know the materials. This is like someone reading a couple of chapters of the Bible and then giving a commentary about it. The perspective needed comes about by being throughly knowledgeable about the work. The methodology of interpretation you are using is baseless since you have not read the materials. The books are about observations of the polarities in order to help free oneself of these polarities. It is not a dogmatic treatise of being in one or another polarity - and the all-that-is in this case is the reader. The questions that arise from reading the books are there to cause you to go within to That ONE source and receive your answers/guidance from that ONE. The books have had a profound impact in my understanding, and I am thankful I was not pushed away by uninformed opinion. But everyone MUST trust in their own Higher Self - God.

[Mercuriel]

I push no one away and have even agreed with You on this Material with the proviso that if People read it - They discern for themselves. Haven't You been reading what I've posted or have You centered on what You did not like about My Post(s) ? At any rate - TY for Your Perspective. You have Yours - I have mine and it is not Uninfomed. Our Opinions are obviously not the same. Have a great day...

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by HORIZONS

Respectfully:
Matrix V vol. 1 is 568 pages; vol. 2 is 240 pages; vol. 3 is 263 pages; vol. 4 is an online pdf and is still being added to and is hundreds of pages as well. How many of those pages have you read? Your comments are not even placed in the proper perspective of the materials, for you do not know the materials. This is like someone reading a couple of chapters of the Bible and then giving a commentary about it. The perspective needed comes about by being throughly knowledgeable about the work. The methodology of interpretation you are using is baseless since you have not read the materials. The books are about observations of the polarities in order to help free oneself of these polarities. It is not a dogmatic treatise of being in one or another polarity - and the all-that-is in this case is the reader. The questions that arise from reading the books are there to cause you to go within to That ONE source and receive your answers/guidance from that ONE. The books have had a profound impact in my understanding, and I am thankful I was not pushed away by uninformed opinion. But everyone MUST trust in their own Higher Self - God.

Yes, I respect your call to read all the materials. Yes, I really really like the concept you put out that the Reader is the All-that-is. In fact, I had that very discussion today.

But hear this, when someone starts heatedly defending something to the point of jumping on someone else's case, it is a red flag for me. I've been in enough cults and fundamentalist groups now and am wiser for it :-)

Secretly I was hoping that the Matrix V materials would be as high or higher level corresponding to what I am subjectively experiencing, and that it might aid me to comprehend better what I am seeing/experiencing, not just another compulsive/obsessive games mockup to keep me trapped.

I have only read the freebie stuff, no torrent downloads. Would appreciate you if you can liberally sprinkle this thread with Fair Use quotes, thank you.

Can you please explain to me why so much attention is paid to the Sequential vs Simultaneous? It looks to me The Author needs to merge a polarity from whence this win/lose game came from -- or maybe I do :-)

One can say it is better to at least be on the positive side of the polarity, but I say Perfection is forever, so locate and rise above the Thought that caused the polarity in the first place.

Does The Author instruct on how to change the prime thought that caused the polarity that caused the sub-levels of games?

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Yes, I respect your call to read all the materials. Yes, I really really like the concept you put out that the Reader is the All-that-is. In fact, I had that very discussion today.

But hear this, when someone starts heatedly defending something to the point of jumping on someone else's case, it is a red flag for me. I've been in enough cults and fundamentalist groups now and am wiser for it :-)

Secretly I was hoping that the Matrix V materials would be as high or higher level corresponding to what I am subjectively experiencing, and that it might aid me to comprehend better what I am seeing/experiencing, not just another compulsive/obsessive games mockup to keep me trapped.

I have only read the freebie stuff, no torrent downloads. Would appreciate you if you can liberally sprinkle this thread with Fair Use quotes, thank you.

Can you please explain to me why so much attention is paid to the Sequential vs Simultaneous? It looks to me The Author needs to merge a polarity from whence this win/lose game came from -- or maybe I do :-)

One can say it is better to at least be on the positive side of the polarity, but I say Perfection is forever, so locate and rise above the Thought that caused the polarity in the first place.

Does The Author instruct on how to change the prime thought that caused the polarity that caused the sub-levels of games?

I hear you, note taken - emotional fire can be difficult to deal with at times.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Mercuriel

The facet of Polarity/Duality in this Material causes Me to see Hierarchy/Control and while that is quite a bit of the Experience in Matter - I AM sure that We can all say We'd prefer the Top-down approach so as to see within all Realities possible. Not the two floors below approach. To coin a phrase - "We all want to know Whos in the Top Floor Penthouse..." - Right ?

That said - Of course there are MANY HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom but then with that stated by the Author of the Book or It's proponents (Multiple HSs, etc.) Co-ordinate Representation seems to left out within the Understanding of the Unum and the Prime Creator.

All of these HSs are in fact - Co-ordinate Representations of the "One" - "All That Is" - "First Source and Center of All Things" and so to be truly honest and factual without Sophistry - The Prime Creator at It's Level of Understanding is the Oversoul of All the MANY Co-ordinately Representative HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom anywhere within the Unum.

In the Begining - "One".

In Fragmentation - "One" knows Itself through Experience VIA Co-ordinate Representation (Us and all other Interference Patterns/Thoughtforms in Manifestation) thereby coming to know Itself - In Limitless ways.

To leave this most basic Understanding out - How We - All of Us in Manifestation - Are "All That Is" in Oneness with the Prime Creator/Absolute Consciousness - Pushes Me away from this Material and should do the same to Others.

With that stated - Polarism/Duality is Hierarchy and Control - And the Choice for All as a First Level Decision to be made when related to the continuance of an Incarnational Experience is ;

Do I intend to Experience in Matter more, or not ? If the answer is Yes - Hierarchy is the Norm while in Matter. So thats the Choice really - Isn't It ? Reconnection with Source beyond Hierarchy - Or Expereince in Matter w/ Hierarchy under Separation from Source to varying degrees.

Even though Hierarchy lessens as Vibration Increases - Know this - We will have it as Experience in one form or another until We finally return to Source and become Not.

Or Static as a another here likes to display...

Lastly - I will add that while approx. 43% of this Info appears to display great Truths or Knowledge not commonly available as mentioned by others and not only Myself - If You read this Material - Ensure that You can Discern enough to be able to sift the "Wheat from the Chaff" (As I've already stated in a previous post) so as to be able to see where this Recipe is missing some very Important Ingredients...

I love the way you say it, and it is a higher aesthetic vibration expression of what I have been saying.

In Matter Universe there is always the apparency of someone being in the top floor penthouse being the Games Master. In my bottom up approach I am always finding that the Games Master is my own creation or Another allowed to serve me, to give me my "drug fix" or my reason for it. I must not know myself --opposing-- I must know myself.

In my work to undo or unwind all my windings and doings, i.e., obsessive/compulsive creates, I am going back up the same way I came down, "up" and "down" being convenient terms. I built something and now I am learning the tools to unbuild it.

We just left the wound up magic universe (see "Alice in Wonderland" movie for an idea of what it was like, at least for me and my co-players), and am now in the universe of concepts where the air is more rarified, but still we did have our problems and our disgruntlements with others. We are not yet the "ghost in the machine", just ghosts thinking about machines/matrices.

I do not think the Matrix V materials covers this ground, so I am temporarily out of interest, and out of game, lol

As one big eternal kid, I am learning how to take responsibility and clean up my room before I can go out and play again, ha, ha. One new rule I'm making: don't ever again carelessly leave pieces of myself strewn around universes. Perhaps in the next big game it won't even be an issue.

Also, the need to even have a Game I have to go and process as a possible compulsion, and what ever opposes it.

Big agreement with "The Author" about what he refers to as "polarity addicts". I can spot polarities a mile away now :-))

I certainly now have all the tools I need to enter into a "Final Incarnation" phase, and am scanning pasts and all possible futures to see why I would need to continue this Game -- always looking through a window, but never going through the door, especially now that I have the key to go through the door.