Zeitgeist Addendum**must see**

[elirien]

Originally Posted by sprocket

The notion of a monetary system's ability to enslave a nation was well known even to Lincoln, who declined offered loans (and the exorbitant interest rates they would entail) from european banks to finance the war, instead opting to create a 'real' currency instead - the Greenback! This 'problem' was further acknowledged by the european banks themselves in corrospondence where they stated that the greenback could not be tolerated and allowed to stand, as they would have no control over it...

The point of this opener is to highlight that this corrupt monetary system is very much a global issue, and not just confined to the US - afterall, this was the system of 'choice' (at least for the Bankers!) in use in Europe, long before it 'spread' to the USA. Presently, practically every major monetary system is a Fiat currency based on fractional banking - and the 'Addendum' movie does a great job in showning what a farce this system is!

And when you realise that banks worldwide are right now in the process of being "baled-out" by taxpayers - in essence, getting Central banks to generate more worthless 'money' from nothing, while passing all liabilities to the taxpayers - and ultimately, what will have changed? Just more debt created! In Chess parlance, we are being set-up for a Check-Mate! Maddening...

O.k. but don't you think that the greenback is the resource based economy model? Can you see a difference?

[sprocket]

Originally Posted by elirien

O.k. but don't you think that the greenback is the resource based economy model? Can you see a difference?

Technically, it is "resource-based", but I prefer to go along with the Venus project's definition (or at least, my understanding of it) - ie. a currency-less society. Afterall, what changes with a gold-backed currency? Nothing imo, sure it is actually worth something - in contrast to all current fiat currencies - and therefore the current farcical situation of "monetising" away money shortages (with the inevitable de-valuation this necessitates) would not exist.

However, you are still stuck with all the greed-based problems associated with this current system - a perfect example relates to oil: despite our 'space-age technology', the internal combustion engine is largely identical in construction and performance to what was available 120 years ago, despite hugely more efficient designs being available even that long ago! This is the result of greed, pure and simple. If the greed-incentive to impede progress didn't exist, polutionless cars that ran on water would have been available a century ago...

[elirien]

Originally Posted by sprocket

Technically, it is "resource-based", but I prefer to go along with the Venus project's definition (or at least, my understanding of it) - ie. a currency-less society. Afterall, what changes with a gold-backed currency? Nothing imo, sure it is actually worth something - in contrast to all current fiat currencies - and therefore the current farcical situation of "monetising" away money shortages (with the inevitable de-valuation this necessitates) would not exist.

However, you are still stuck with all the greed-based problems associated with this current system - a perfect example relates to oil: despite our 'space-age technology', the internal combustion engine is largely identical in construction and performance to what was available 120 years ago, despite hugely more efficient designs being available even that long ago! This is the result of greed, pure and simple. If the greed-incentive to impede progress didn't exist, polutionless cars that ran on water would have been available a century ago...

Do you really think that when the white collar slave decides to rephrase his monetary system that greed would just swish away? Abolishing fiat money is just one minimal step to the moral and ethical high ground that would remember people that nothing comes from nothing.

I didn't read their book after their wondrous simplifications and demagogy in Zeitgeist addendum. I would be very glad if you could 'enlighten' me what does really change besides labels on the economy that so much resembles just any other economy model (communism, socialism or even capitalism).

Suppression of technology has nothing to do with economy model but has to do with the unmoral behavior of the central banking profession whom we know is used by corrupt, sick, occultist individuals. But that spiritual aspect is unimportant now is it? Just the corrupt behavior of Joe sixpack is the problem not bohemian grove, illuminism, luciferianism, theosophism etc.

[sprocket]

Originally Posted by elirien

Do you really think that when the white collar slave decides to rephrase his monetary system that greed would just swish away? Abolishing fiat money is just one minimal step to the moral and ethical high ground that would remember people that nothing comes from nothing.

I didn't read their book after their wondrous simplifications and demagogy in Zeitgeist addendum. I would be very glad if you could 'enlighten' me what does really change besides labels on the economy that so much resembles just any other economy model (communism, socialism or even capitalism).

Suppression of technology has nothing to do with economy model but has to do with the unmoral behavior of the central banking profession whom we know is used by corrupt, sick, occultist individuals. But that spiritual aspect is unimportant now is it? Just the corrupt behavior of Joe sixpack is the problem not bohemian grove, illuminism, luciferianism, theosophism etc.

It will never be the remit of white-collar workers to decide a monetary system - decisions like this have and always will be made by a tiny minority so long as tyrannical organisations such as the Illuminati are allowed to exist! Just consider the present US elections, they continually talk of freedom and choice, yet the only candidates that can even hope to stand a chance of being elected must by default have hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign funds - so by default, anyone who makes it this far, are bought and paid for, this having been decided long in advance by a select few!

Neither did I read their book and I would agree that their 'vision' as presented is indeed simplified, but considering they had 15-20 minutes, I think they did a pretty good job! And as they themselves admitted, it is far from perfect, but is a lot better than what is currently available. As for what changes it could manifest, consider what would happen if tomorrow the world governments told us that we were in imminent danger of being invaded by little green guys, and the world as a whole must prepare for this. Instantly, this inslaving monetary system would be forgotten about, with the whole world adopting a true "resource-based" existence - the farmers would feed us, their machinery and equipment needs would be met by industry, and on and on. This didn't happen during our own major wars precisely because they were orchestrated to a large extent by bankers, who were funding both sides simultaneuously! Remove this 'dead-wood' though and you would see just how well the human race as a whole can work together, while also highlighting how un-necessary a currency-based economy really is...

I'm well aware that technology suppression has nothing to do with an economic model, but it nicely highlights just one of the ugly facets of a greed-based monetary system, how technological advancement, however necessary, can be stunted or stopped althogether (as with the I.C.E) by a tiny minority of unscrupulous individuals...

[elirien]

Originally Posted by sprocket

As for what changes it could manifest, consider what would happen if tomorrow the world governments told us that we were in imminent danger of being invaded by little green guys, and the world as a whole must prepare for this. Instantly, this inslaving monetary system would be forgotten about, with the whole world adopting a true "resource-based" existence - the farmers would feed us, their machinery and equipment needs would be met by industry, and on and on. This didn't happen during our own major wars precisely because they were orchestrated to a large extent by bankers, who were funding both sides simultaneuously! Remove this 'dead-wood' though and you would see just how well the human race as a whole can work together, while also highlighting how un-necessary a currency-based economy really is...

Besides the quote above I agree with you totally. What I didn't like on your approach is again the same thing I mentioned before. Yes the bankers are scum but that's it. There is nothing more that would change if you continue with a centralized system. Those war scenarios where the people work their ass off for resources happened every time. Not only with wars but also natural disasters like the earthquakes in my country and other various occasions in other countries. If you take the stealing element out of the system it will work. Of course there are other non-beneficial details like representative democracy but these can be altered for a better existence and choice in government.

Originally Posted by sprocket

I'm well aware that technology suppression has nothing to do with an economic model, but it nicely highlights just one of the ugly facets of a greed-based monetary system, how technological advancement, however necessary, can be stunted or stopped althogether (as with the I.C.E) by a tiny minority of unscrupulous individuals...

That I agree upon too. You are very right.