Young people??? Teenagers???

[Dean Plejaren]

Originally Posted by Fun 4U Leader

Dean,
I like your zeal. A strong direct focus is an admiral trait for anyone.

But, do you seriously mean what you are saying, working as a group for individual happiness, waging war against anything that obstructs individual happiness? What you are asking for seems illogical to me.

The way I see it, your group is already too big because it already has you in it, and there is no room for anyone else.

The key individual in your proposal is "YOU" which really means waging war against everybody else and using them to empower your happiness at their expense. Good for you, bad for them.

The simple fact that it is a group obstructs each individual and thus must war against itself. Sounds like total confusion to me.

Can you war against a mirror? You are linked to all that is around you and everything you see that you would war against reflects a part of what is inside you that is your battle only and no others. It is not what is happening around you but your response that is the test of your true self.

In any war, the unacceptable losses are always the moral ones. Look there for your greatest battles.

I may very well be wrong, but I believe you have it backwards. You should be waging war against your individual EGO and not against everything else that obstructs it. In that context, a group can help each individual's cause, but not what you purpose.

Don't get me wrong. I am not slamming you. I have been there, and back.

For the cause,

Interestingly everything you wrote about me. I stand for the opposite of that. No-one owns groups. I do not support ownership of groups. Second there is room for anyone because it's all about them being the leader of themself not about others controlling them. There is no key individual. The war is on what you just assumed about me haha. I'm not fighting people it's about helping them. It's good.

It's not designed to obstruct individuals it's designed to free them. It's about preventing conflict, not making conflict.

I don't know what you mean about unacceptable moral defeats. But it's about having integrity and knowing what works and what doesn't work.

Everyone has an ego but it does not have to be selfish or worthless. Healing and purifying your ego is preferable to trying to attack it.

You have what I stand for very mistaken. I don't know where you got those ideas from.

If the individual is not happy, how can another person be at their expense? That's an illusion. If something is bad for one person how can it be good for another? It is possible to empower the individual through the group and that is the point of a civilized society. What you are suggesting is I am the opposite of everything that is correct. If this is coming from society we know why society is backwards. It calls backwards forwards and forwards backwards.

Why did you twist everything I stood for? I don't understand your motive. You re-structured my entire purpose into something alien. You said you have been there and back. But it does not do anything and either way you have demonstrated we are on very different paths. Maybe the way I said it triggered all manner of misconceptions because of such vastly different experiences. No hard feelings we must be at very different places.

the article i put here is not really related to the topic indeed, i put it because someone mentioned kurt kobain - nirvana.

[Fun 4U Leader]

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

Interestingly everything you wrote about me. I stand for the opposite of that. No-one owns groups. I do not support ownership of groups. Second there is room for anyone because it's all about them being the leader of themself not about others controlling them. There is no key individual. The war is on what you just assumed about me haha. I'm not fighting people it's about helping them. It's good.

It's not designed to obstruct individuals it's designed to free them. It's about preventing conflict, not making conflict.

I don't know what you mean about unacceptable moral defeats. But it's about having integrity and knowing what works and what doesn't work.

Everyone has an ego but it does not have to be selfish or worthless. Healing and purifying your ego is preferable to trying to attack it.

You have what I stand for very mistaken. I don't know where you got those ideas from.

If the individual is not happy, how can another person be at their expense? That's an illusion. If something is bad for one person how can it be good for another? It is possible to empower the individual through the group and that is the point of a civilized society. What you are suggesting is I am the opposite of everything that is correct. If this is coming from society we know why society is backwards. It calls backwards forwards and forwards backwards.

Why did you twist everything I stood for? I don't understand your motive. You re-structured my entire purpose into something alien. You said you have been there and back. But it does not do anything and either way you have demonstrated we are on very different paths. Maybe the way I said it triggered all manner of misconceptions because of such vastly different experiences. No hard feelings we must be at very different places.

Dean,
I was hoping that I was mistaken and thanks for clarifying for me. I won't comment point by point because you are clear enough and I obviously misunderstood you.

I wish you well with the group but I must decline to join at this time. I need to look closer at your response and let it sink in for awhile.

The best to you and take care.

for the cause.

[Dean Plejaren]

Cheers I'm glad we have that cleared up. I wasn't sure of your motive I thought I my have to deal with an argument.

One more thing,
I'm not asking you to join anything there is nothing to join but the esoteric movement for Ascension. It's purely verbal and mutual agreements. None of this paper legislation identity represent me in court nonsense. No political parties. No dictatorships or cults. Just increasing acts of Utopia.

[dayzero]

Here's that Drunvalo Mechizadek video....

Let's just wait for the Hopi to write their book!


Nice.


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