'Ice build-up' on crashed plane

[Newshound]

The crew of a plane that crashed in New York state killing 50 people noticed "significant ice build-up", investigators say.

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[viking]

Ice, I don't thonk so..................


FSB reports are stating today that American fascist coup forces currently engaged in a bitter struggle for control of the United States against forces loyal to President Obama, have assassinated one of the top witnesses against them by downing the plane she was a passenger on with an EMP device they have previously used to silence those ready to testify against them, and which now has killed another 50 innocent victims.

According to these reports, Beverly Eckert [photo top left] became one of the top advocates of bringing to justice those responsible for the September 11, 2001 attacks which claimed her husbands life who vowed that ‘My Silence Cannot Be Bought’, and after receiving President Obama’s ‘personal assurance’ at their meeting last week that he was going to prosecute those involved, was in route to Chicago to present evidence to US Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald who was, likewise this past week, retained in his position by the new American President intent upon winning the titanic struggle he has taken on against this most ferocious of enemies.

As a member of the Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Independent Commission that sought truthful answers to their beloved family members deaths, Ms Eckert was reported to be ‘voracious’ in attempting to bring to justice the criminals responsible and had posed to the former Bush Government the following unanswered questions that to this very date have still not been answered:

President George W. Bush: As Commander-in-Chief on the morning of 9/11, why didn’t you return immediately to Washington, D.C. or the National Military Command Center once you became aware that America was under attack? At specifically what time did you become aware that America was under attack? Who informed you of this fact?

Vice President Richard Cheney: Please discuss the advice and plans of the Energy Advisory Council specifically as they relate to pipeline development and gas/oil exploration in Afghanistan, Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries, and the feasibility of such development or exploration specifically in those two countries in 2001.

Condoleezza Rice: Regarding the meeting of Abdullah Abdullah (close aide to Massoud and now the Afghan Foreign Minister) in July , 2001, with “some top National Security Council (NSC) and State Department officials,” what information about al Qaeda did he convey?

George Tenet, Director of the CIA: Why didn't the CIA share vital information about the terrorists with the FBI?

Robert Mueller, FBI Director: Which hijackers have been positively identified by DNA? Is the FBI in possession of DNA samples for all of the hijackers?

Questions for Director Mueller Regarding the Hijackers: Please explain how the passports of Mohammed Atta and Satam al-Sugam, both on Flight 11, survived the inferno to be found on the street near the World Trade Center.

•Who found the passports and what time where they found?

•Please describe the condition of each passport.

•Please explain how the passports of two hijackers survived the explosion and inferno.

In what is, perhaps, the cruelest twist of fate in the deaths of Ms Eckert and her fellow passengers, the US propaganda media machine has been employing the exact same public manipulation tactics used in the 9/11 attacks, and where even before the fires had been extinguished or any investigation begun, it had been predetermined that ice was to be the cause of this horrific event.

So many ‘experts’ have been put before the American people in just the first day that it is now the accepted wisdom that ice was indeed the cause making all other evidence to the contrary suspect in these poor peoples minds.

But, to this ‘other’ evidence makes the more logical case supporting the FSB’s assertion that this plane crash was an assassination as just moments before the planes fatal plunge into the ground Russian satellites detected what is described as a ‘low level’ Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) emanating from an area located near the Eastern parts of Lake Erie in the United States.

About EMP weapons it is important to note: “Scientists discovered that a nuclear bomb was not necessary to create an EMP Weapon and they managed to produce EMP weapons of considerably small size, the idea was to create an EMP suitcase bomb that could be taken into an enemy building and detonated without casualties with the destruction of all electrical equipment in the building paralyzing the enemy data center.”

And, though not largely known, destructive EMP weapons are simple to make and deploy with plans and kits for EMP pulse generators and Low Power Pulse Guns available for purchase in the US for as little as $15.00.

Even more important to note is that Russian Space Authorities ability to effectively monitor EMP events over North America were ‘significantly’ degraded due to the destruction of one of their satellites this past week, and which we had reported on in our February 12th report, “Russia Issues Nuclear Attack Warning Over US Takedown Of Satellite”.

The use by US Intelligence Agencies of EMP weapons to target the planes of their enemies was first used in 1972 against Dorothy Hunt who was the wife of CIA Agent and Watergate conspirator E. Howard Hunt. Ms Hunt, and just like Ms Eckert, was on a ‘mission’ to Chicago to testify in her husbands defense when her plane was brought down on December 8, 1972, and which upon her death kept her husband in silence till upon his deathbed he confessed to being a part of the fascist assassination team that murdered President Kennedy in 1963.

To the greater significance of these events it lies in how, even to this day, the American people are still able to be continually deceived by the fascist forces manipulating them and who have faithfully followed the maxims of their German Nazi forbearers best exampled by the words of Adolph Hitler…

“Tell a lie often enough, loud enough, and long enough, and people will believe you.”

So it remains that our reporting of the truth of these events will be subsumed by the lies being poured by the minute into the minds of these Americans, who not for one second will even question the facts for themselves.

[Ed. Note: The United States government actively seeks to find, and silence, any and all opinions about the United States except those coming from authorized government and/or affiliated sources, of which we are not one. No interviews are granted and very little personal information is given about our contributors

viking

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by viking

Questions for Director Mueller Regarding the Hijackers: Please explain how the passports of Mohammed Atta and Satam al-Sugam, both on Flight 11, survived the inferno to be found on the street near the World Trade Center.

Always makes me laugh

[Czymra]

Viking, where is that article from?

[viking]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Viking, where is that article from?

There you go Czymra....

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1206.htm

Regards

viking

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by viking

There you go Czymra....

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1206.htm

Regards

viking

Hm, many on this Forum discredit Schorscha Faal, but I must admit she always delivers a nice twist on public media.

[viking]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Hm, many on this Forum discredit Schorscha Faal, but I must admit she always delivers a nice twist on public media.

Yes I know Czymra.....

There are many people discredited...thats not to say there is no truth in what they say!

viking

[cantaloupe]

I won't dispute the content of your post as I don't know the facts, but Faal's writing is prone to such a mixture of fact and fantasy that it smacks of disinfo. And I'm usually willing to give ideas like the one presented here fair consideration though it's difficult, if not impossible, to know for sure whether it's credible. I get a weird vibe from the output of Sorscha Faal, and so am uneasy with her (his?) ideas.
I was unaware of the depth of commitment of Ms. Eckert and her line of inquiry which make all of this much more compelling.
May she rest in peace.

[Dantheman62]

I found these two articles on her and her purpose, but they don't say anything about her not believing what happened on 9/11.....
http://cbs5.com/national/beverly.eck....2.934451.html


Testimony of Beverly Eckert
Before the U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on Government Reform

Hearings to Review 9/11 Commission Recommendations
Tuesday, August 3, 2004



Honorable Chairman Davis, Distinguished Members of this Committee, ladies and gentlemen:

My name is Beverly Eckert. I’m appearing here today as a member of the 9/11 Commission’s Family Steering Committee. We appreciate the opportunity you have given us to participate in this hearing. It is both a privilege and a responsibility. We also extend our thanks to the 9/11 Commissioners and staff, whose tireless work and cogent recommendations are the focus of today’s hearing.

http://www.911independentcommission....erly80304.html

[burgundia]

It wasn't Beverly Eckert that was killed I've heard. it was another woman. She testified in the case of genocide in Rwanda.

[Dantheman62]

It was her burgundia.......

Beverly Eckert, Sept. 11 Widow, Died in Fiery Buffalo Flight 3407 Crash
Eckert Lost Husband in Sept. 11 Attacks, Took Flight to Buffalo To Honor His Birthday


Beverly Eckert, Leader of Families of 9/11 Victims, Dies at 57


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/14/ny.../14eckert.html

[Avid]

That lovely lady - who was after the truth - only met with Obama a few days ago - although the weather wasn't great, that plane was well able to cope.
She was due to give more evidence on 9/11....
Let's hope it was an accident, and not some ghastly 'interference' then...

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

It was her burgundia.......

Beverly Eckert, Sept. 11 Widow, Died in Fiery Buffalo Flight 3407 Crash
Eckert Lost Husband in Sept. 11 Attacks, Took Flight to Buffalo To Honor His Birthday


Beverly Eckert, Leader of Families of 9/11 Victims, Dies at 57


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/14/ny.../14eckert.html

yes, you're right. but there was another one Alison Des Forges from Human Rights Watch.

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Newshound

The crew of a plane that crashed in New York state killing 50 people noticed "significant ice build-up", investigators say.

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That plane was only 1yr old. Both pilots were very experienced! Other planes landed with ice on wings!

My feeling was/is that this plane was "deliberately brought down". We will probably never know the truth about this. But this is nothing unusual, a fake story will be given to the media for public consumption & the media will go quiet on the story after that.

It never ceases to amaze me that the American people continualy accept such stories and never demand the truth. They are a very tolerant nation of people to put up with such government criminality. Boggles the mind.

[Dantheman62]

Did you ever stop and think that maybe this was an accident? That maybe the plane had mechanical problems or had severe ice build up? Why does every single bad thing that happens around the world have to have a conspiracy theory attached to it? Just for kicks, Bombardier is not exactly known for quality stuff, such as snowmobiles, and jet skies, so I also wonder about their planes. I'm not saying I agree with what happened or disagree.

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Did you ever stop and think that maybe this was an accident? That maybe the plane had mechanical problems or had severe ice build up? Why does every single bad thing that happens around the world have to have a conspiracy theory attached to it? Just for kicks, Bombardier is not exactly known for quality stuff, such as snowmobiles, and jet skies, so I also wonder about their planes. I'm not saying I agree with what happened or disagree.

Dan: I listened to a live recording of the pilot communicating to the ground. There was no problem reported & they suddenly went off the radar.

[Dantheman62]

Yeah true, me too, but things do go wrong, after all it is a flying mechanical contraption, LOL! Honestly I'm really not sure what to believe at this point, and I wonder if we'll ever know for sure. I'm just not quite ready to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon just yet. And when they find the black box if ever, then we have to wonder if we'll be getting the truth there also. It's a never ending hmmmmm

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Yeah true, me too, but things do go wrong, after all it is a flying mechanical contraption, LOL! Honestly I'm really not sure what to believe at this point, and I wonder if we'll ever know for sure. I'm just not quite ready to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon just yet. And when they find the black box if ever, then we have to wonder if we'll be getting the truth there also. It's a never ending hmmmmm

Dan: I heard on the radio this am. that they found the black box. Now we wait and see what the story is.

For me, it seems very strange, that a new plane with experiences pilots & 50 passengers on board would suddenly fall to the ground, & everything is incinerated. I think one has to look at this with a degree of questioning?

[Dantheman62]

Again, true and I will! Did you see that video where it looks like something or somebody comes walking out of the blaze in the background? I'll find it and be right back!

[Dantheman62]

Here it is, Kathleen put it up in the other thread,.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgOH...e=subscription

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Here it is, Kathleen put it up in the other thread,.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgOH...e=subscription

Dan, I just watched the vid.....what the heck was that. something tall and white. Did it walk through the fire or float through the fire. I'll have to watch it again. From where in the fire did it come from and go to. OK back to vid.

Tks for bringing the vid to our attention.

Had another look & paused it also, really hard to tell what that is. There appears to be 2 white (things, beings?) 1 moving through fire, and 2nd staying behind on the right side of screen near ground. Very strange. Any thoughts anyone.

[Dantheman62]

Yeah I couldn't tell if they were in the fire or actually behind the fire, but they weren't wearing yellow like the fire fighters. Unless it was a couple guys wearing those silver high heat fire suits, hard to tell.

[Swanny]

I remember when flying was the safest form of transport, times change it seems

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Yeah I couldn't tell if they were in the fire or actually behind the fire, but they weren't wearing yellow like the fire fighters. Unless it was a couple guys wearing those silver high heat fire suits, hard to tell.

I find the concept of finding more truth that the reporters missed in selected pictures quite ominous.

[Dantheman62]

NTSB: Plane didn't dive, but landed flat on house.

CLARENCE, N.Y. – An investigator says the plane that crashed on a house in New York state landed flat on it and was pointed away from the airport where it was supposed to land.

Steve Chealander (CHEE-lan-duhr) said Saturday that Continental Connection Flight 3407 did not dive into the house, as initially thought.

Chealander says the New Jersey-to-Buffalo flight was cleared to land on a runway pointing to the southwest. But the plane crashed with its nose pointed to the northeast!!!!!

He also says the catastrophic nature of the crash means it could take three or four days to remove human remains.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090215/...lane_into_home