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The hypocrisy of the west doesn't go unnoticed, and it's now exposed at world level events
https://t.me/SputnikInt/20373
https://t.me/antinatocoalition/957
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I forgot the land of the free, where free speech is a most important right, had censured all Russian official media so that they could control their false/nasty narrative
Here's the video of Putin i posted above, which is censured all over the 'free world'
Yes, it was a major event. :thumbsup: I don't have the official Russian transcript (though it can probably be found quite easily), but here are some interesting extracts, with commentary, from
Clayton and Natali Morris at
Redacted. There's a very long half hour video intro, so start in at
39:55.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=J3dziCeR9z8
The full (?) transcript of Vladimir Putin's address can be viewed here: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69299:
It's claimed that these are excerpts (again) but it's very long and feels like it may be the whole thing (I haven't seen the video yet).
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It's actually funny to think about it, i live in 'one of the most repressive nations in the world, controlled by a totalitarian government who doesn't allow free speech and very little human rights, and at the top there's a dictator killing civilians left and right and invading countries every other week/month'
Yet i can see/read/watch/listen to media from all over the world without any limitation, and people in the west are forbidden to do the same, they just have been told not to and measures were taken to enforce it (yet we are totalitarian lol)
And second, now it turns out that if you dare to heat your home you may face fines and even jail. And you can go to jail too for pro-Russian views, and get cancelled and lose your means of life as well. Even your life can be at risk if you show you are anti-nazi now
Talk about totalitarianism
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And Russia has hot water, too.
https://twitter.com/fabushka_/status...15097437769729
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Yes, :ROFL: indeed.
Gonzalo Lira linked this on Twitter too and one had to chuckle, a lot
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Again me not liking what i see here. It's really not that funny. Enjoying someone else's misfortune and remember - that misfortune will not happen to Ursula von der Lyer, Biden, Macaron or their families but to me and other average people.. Even those people you consider blind sheep who only believe the official narrative are not to be blamed entirely bacause as Norman wrote in Reversing The Spell thread:
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I'm beginning to think that part of reversing any spell there ( and I'm sure there IS at least one ) is going to have to be a screening/blocking of technologically generated influence-at-a-distance.
In comically simple language, we need tin foil hats first before we can really get our true selves back into the reasoning and thinking arena of solving the problem.
At this point, I really don't think there is any remote place on the planet to run to where we can escape it. It's almost certainly coming at us from satellites above our heads
So Bill maybe you'll need hot water tour as well.. (I really don't wish that on anyone)
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Some *very* basic stuff about Russian defenses in the SMO
Yesterday I posted a short SITREP about the Ukrainian offensive on Balakleia. And, sure enough, there are 72 comments on this already! Many of them show a total misunderstanding of the nature of the SMO (it was a mistake for me to post a map which, obviously, most people cannot make sense of!).
So all I propose to do today is to explain something really basic about the concept of defense (in reality defensive operations are much more complex!).
First, this how Hollywood and the mainstream media present defense: you stand and fight, and if the enemy overruns your defensive position, you lost.
The reality could not be further from this silly notion.
For one thing, the USA never fought a real war, nevermind a defensive one. As for the Europeans, they are used to the kind of terrain you would have in central Europe, i.e. a terrain with a lot of geographical and topological features which favor a dug in static defense. For example, I did my basic training in an electronic warfare unit which was mostly deployed in the Swiss mountains and I can tell you that a single mountain infantry company (in some extreme cases even a well prepared platoon!) can fully lock a narrow valley or a pass against an entire mechanized/armored battalion (especially if that mountain infantry is supported by well concealed – mountains are ideal for that – and powerful long range artillery!). Much of Europe is what is called “mixed terrain” that is to say a mix of fields, forests, small town and villages, many rivers (often with steep banks and rapid currents), bigger and stronger regional towns, etc. etc. etc. In that terrain you are naturally inclined to make the best use of these features and hold on to good defensive positions. In fact, in this kind of terrain it is often impossible to deploy a full mechanized/tank brigade or division (they are too big!) and you are simply forced to fight mostly infantry battles with smaller subunits.
The Ukraine is totally different. The eastern Ukraine, the Donbass, has a lot of small towns, and this is why the Ukrainians dug in and hold towns like Avdeevka. However, once you leave that more heavily populated line of towns and villages, you mostly have open steppe with a few rivers and scattered forests, many of them pretty small. This is why only small Ukronazi units can hide in these small forests, their bigger units mostly hide inside towns and cities, basically using the local civilians as “human shields” and since these Nazis hate the local “separs” anyway – they have no illusions about the real sympathies of most Ukrainians in the south and east – they don’t care at all if scores of civilians die in Russian strikes! In fact, in a recent video Gonzalo Lira, who is currently in Kharkov, stated that since most of the anti-Russian locals are under no illusion about the inevitable outcome, they have long left Kharkov, hence the SBU’s “hunt” for “separs” and other “pigdogs” and “biomaterial” amongst the remaining population. Yet another reason for the Russian to go everything humanly possible to avoid civilian casualties!
So in the case of warfare in the Ukraine, I think that it is helpful to think of it as “a land version of a naval battle” which centers not on the control of this or that wave, but on destroying the enemy forces while not getting destroyed yourself.
The next thing which I need to bring up is force concentrations. The war in the Ukraine is more similar to soccer in which attackers and defenders fight each other all over the field than to US football in which there is a clear line of scrimmage and where everything is about “conquering” more terrain or advancing downfield. This means that there are always temporarily unoccupied “grey zones” (think of them as parts of the soccer field which happen to be empty but which could quickly become a “combat area” if a pass is made there and two players will fight each other for control of the ball).
Just these two facts very strongly suggest that a mobile defense is the way to go on such terrain. These are generalizations, of course, but by and large they apply.
Next, when you have enough manpower, you normally would organize your defense into two, more rarely three, defensive echelons so if the enemy breaks through the first line, he is faced with a second line of defense and his flanks are potentially exposed to envelopment from all sides. And just to make sure that your defenses hold, it is recommended to have a reserve force behind the 2nd line of defense ready to “plug” any “holes” and/or to be used in a counter-attack (and if things go well, this reserve for can be used as a maneuver group to counter-attack). With a few crucial exceptions, this is not the case in the Ukraine, especially not for the Russian forces who are roughly at a 1:3 numerical disadvantage. This 1:3 figure is misleading, because it ignores the kind of force ratios which can be achieved locally.
Conversely, the Russians have an advantage in 1) firepower 2) maneuverability (they can move under the protection of Russian airpower and artillery, which the Ukrainians cannot) 3) logistics 4) reach (the Russians can strike even in the far western Ukraine 5) C3ISR 6) morale and 7) training.
There is another rule of thumb which should not be taken as dogma, but which is still helpful to keep in mind: a successful attack often requires a 3:1 advantage for the attacking side. This ratio can go up to 6:1 and even higher in strongly built cities. Since the Russians already have an overall 1:3 DIS-advantage in manpower, it is quite possible that in specific segments of the front, that disadvantage might locally peak at even much worse ratios, yet another argument for the Russians to first grind down Ukronazi forces, if needed by conceding terrain, before engaging in any counter-attack/counter-offensive. And this is why
All these Russian advantages all dictate a flexible, mobile, defensive strategy to counter Ukrainian attacks.
In other words, it would be absolutely INSANE for Russians to try to hold a static defensive line at all cost just to prevent the Ukronazis to claim yet another “immense victory”. So, keeping this in might, let’s revisit the Ukrainian “counter-offensives”, bullet style.
These supposed “counter-offensives” were announced weeks in advance (which the Russians noticed)
Then the Ukrainians began by sustained artillery strikes to weaken the Russian defenses (and, thereby, indicate again to the Russians where they planned to attack).
Then the Ukrainians concentrated large forces (which the Russians saw, of course) and then threw them all into a (relatively) mass assault on what they believed were the weakest spots in the Russian defenses.
This is what happened north of Kherson and this is what is happening just north of Balakleia now. And it will happen again on other parts of the immense frontline. And, each time, the Russians will resist if/when possible, but they will quickly concede terrain and fall back if pressed hard, not only to save Russian lives (why waste them for a few trenches or buildings??) and to “pull in” the Ukrainians into a network of mobile defenses.
So how does a mobile defense work?
Basically, it uses the Russian advantages (firepower, maneuverability, logistics, reach, C3ISR, morale and training) to save as many Russian lives as possible while killing as many Ukrainian soldiers are possible. Why? Because while terrain can always be re-conquered, dead soldiers cannot be resurrected.
So let me repeat this again: the Russians retreating before a determined Ukrainian attack is not the exception in this war, it is the rule. So we should EXPECT the Russians to do that every time the Ukrainians launch a mass assault and sends entire battalions into the Russian meat grinder.
Some have suggested that this is bad tactic since it gives Kiev a good PSYOP/PR opportunity. To this I will reply two things:
Kiev does not need anything anchored in reality to declare “heroic victories”, they can literally take a photo in the “grey zone”, then quickly run away and present that as a huge victory (they did just that a few days ago)
Russian commanders will not sacrifice Russian soldiers for a short lived PR victory. That would be both immoral and totally self-defeating.
Think of the Russian advantages for a second (again: firepower, maneuverability, logistics, reach, C3ISR, morale and training) and realize that they are all dependent on the Russian ability to fight against the Ukronazis with lower manpower which, in turn, should suggest to you that the single most precious element of the Russian warfighting machine is the Russian solider: if the Russians tried to emulate Ukrainian “tactics” (i.e., throwing as much meat in the meatgrinder as available) they would quickly run out of the required manpower which, in turn, would create both military and political problems for the Kremlin.
And now, a flashback of sorts.
Remember when before the Russian SMO many observers including myself said that Russia would not invade the Ukraine simply because the Russians did kind of numbers needed to invade the Ukraine? Well, this was true then and this is STILL true!
The SMO is not a regular combined arms operation and the Russian STILL do not have the kind of manpower to “occupy the Ukraine”. However, what the Russians did is the following:
First, they gave the US/NATO (not the clowns in Kiev) and ultimatum which they knew the West would reject.
Next, they basically destroyed the Ukrainian military as a coherent whole and broke it up into smaller, uncoordinated forces. Oh sure, after a week or so, the Ukrainians still had a few aircraft left, plenty of subunits (brigades and below), some air defenses, etc. but what they lost is the ability to use all these resources as part of a single plan!
Then the Russian began slowly and methodically grinding down the huge Ukrainian force in the Donbass (that is the force whose attack the Russians preempted).
They pushed hard along the coast creating a southern front which the Ukrainians had to protect, tying down Ukrainian forces (which are still terrified by a possible Russian land and amphibious assault towards Nikolaev and Odessa).
And now they are basically waiting for the Ukrainians to come to them instead of going after the Ukrainians. Oh sure, when possible, the Russians will push forward, but they will concede terrain if/when needed.
Which leaves one last parameter: time.
Banderastan is a bloody mess, a failed state, a country 404 which is turning into a horror show run by a mix of local Nazis and US Neocons (what an ugly pair these two make!). Western governments, ALL OF THEM, are in really bad shape, all the western economies have gone over the edge and are now falling into a recession and even into a fullscale de-industrialization. The biggest western power, the USA, is run by a brain-dead old man, a former call-girl and with a Neocon ruling class which is absolutely terrified of the upcoming elections.
In sharp contrast, the Russian economy’s contraction will be in the 2% range by the end of the year, Putin is as popular as ever, as is Mishustin, the vast majority of Russians fully support the SMO and the Russian economy (a real economy, not a FIRE based one!) is flush with money and has the support of most of the planet.
So whose side is time on? I think that the answer is obvious. So the full list of Russian advantages should also include time: firepower, maneuverability, logistics, reach, C3ISR, morale, training and time.
[Sidebar: right now there is still plenty of forest and foliage in the Ukraine, but with the winter coming, this “green” cover will become very thin, making it even harder to hide for the Ukrainian forces! That is also one more reason why the Russians are now mostly waiting]
Remember how “Ze” spoke of a “million soldiers army”? Well, that is nonsense, of course, but it shows one thing:
“Ze” feels that his biggest advantage is to thrown tens and even hundred of thousands of soldiers in suicidal attacks. As for the West, it poured so much money, manpower and hardware into the country 404 that many western leaders now complain that their countries have now compromised their own reserves of weapon systems. The US alone is spending 228 million dollars PER DAY on the Ukrainian fiasco. In sharp contrast, Putin is now openly saying that the SMO has been “beneficial” for Russia!
Apparently, “Ze” and his Neocon masters want to try to “drown the Russian military in Ukrainian blood“. If you sincerely believe that this is a winning strategy, please contact me as I have some super bridges to sell you for very cheap prices :-)
Having said all that, if the next time the Russians retreat for a few kilometers you want to either freak out and declare that “all is lost” or proclaim with great gravitas that “Russia is losing the war”, by all means, feel free to do so. I will just ignore these claims simply because, frankly, I am sick and tired of repeating the same truisms over and over and over again, especially when plenty of “commentators” don’t even bother reading what I wrote, they just want to flood the comments section with their talking points!
If you rather trust Girkin-Strelkov or Arestovich that is fine by me as long as you don’t have to parrot their nonsense in the comments section which I consider as “deliberate pollution of the comments section”. That will get you banned and, once we have the “comments for signed-up commentators only” thing ready, I will simply remove you from the approved list.
Anyway, that is all I had to say for right now. I hope that the above has been helpful (though I am under no illusions: as I said, trolls don’t even bother reading what I write, they just need to populate the comments section with their slogans).
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Hi Shaberon:
Just for your info: it was the c F o of Bed, Bath and beyond that jumped.
I guess that leaves some C-class people to suicide !
Always the best to U !
K
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US trained Ukrainian troops to sink Russian ships, official claims
A senior US military official said Washington provided training to Ukrainian forces who allegedly sank two Russian warships earlier this year, appearing to suggest the troops were brought to the US for instruction on Harpoon missiles before the Pentagon denied the assertion.
Speaking at an event hosted by Defense News on Wednesday, Defense Undersecretary for Acquisition and Sustainment Bill LaPlante highlighted American assistance to Kiev throughout its conflict with Russia, discussing alleged operations in June involving Harpoon anti-ship missiles.
“We got [the missiles] off the ship, put them on some flatbed trucks, put the Harpoons, the modules, on the flatbed truck,” he said, describing the arms transfer, going on to claim that the Pentagon “brought the Ukrainians to train on it over Memorial Day weekend – in our country, over Memorial Day weekend – and the next week two Russian ships were sunk with those Harpoons.”
The official did not specify the Russian vessels in question, though the Pentagon previously claimed a supply ship was sunk using Harpoons. Moscow has not confirmed the alleged attack.
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However, while LaPlante appeared to say Ukrainian soldiers were brought to the US for training on the Harpoons – a decision Washington had not previously made public – a Pentagon spokesperson later told Defense One the training occurred elsewhere.
Instead, LaPlante “meant that the weekend the Ukrainians received training is called Memorial Day in the United States,” the spokesperson said.
Another unnamed military official reached by the outlet noted that the training was overseen jointly by US forces and foreign partners, but said the instruction itself was carried out by a “vendor.” It is unclear where that took place or what organization trained the Ukrainians to operate the Harpoons, which are produced by Boeing.
Ukraine first started fielding the US-made anti-ship weapon back in June, after it received a transfer from Denmark, while Washington later pledged two vehicle-mounted versions of the system as part of a $1 billion aid package to Kiev.
Ahead of that shipment, a senior Ukrainian adviser declared that the Pentagon was “preparing a plan for the destruction” of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, which included “deliveries of powerful anti-ship weapons” such as the Harpoon. US officials denied that charge “definitively,” though Washington has acknowledged training Ukrainian forces previously and frequently touts the billions in military aid provided to the government in Kiev.
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Pentagon sent GPS-guided rounds to Ukraine – media
The US Pentagon is spending over $90 million to acquire new M982 Excalibur munitions, Bloomberg reported on Thursday. The department is replacing a stockpile previously sent to Ukraine, according to budget documents cited in the article.
The 155mm shells, each of which costs tens of thousands of dollars and may go well over $100,000, depending on the variant and year they were manufactured, are designed to strike within two meters of the GPS coordinates of a target.
The munitions were developed by Raytheon and BAE and are certified to be used with a number of NATO artillery pieces, including American M777 howitzers and German PzH2000 howitzers, which Ukraine possesses.
A document issued last month says that the Pentagon will spend $92 million to purchase “replacement M982 Excalibur munitions transferred to Ukraine in support of the international effort” to undermine Russia’s military operation, as quoted by Bloomberg. The money buys roughly 900 projectiles, a military analyst estimated for the news agency.
READ MORE: US to send more arms to Ukraine – Pentagon
The funds come from more than $40 billion in emergency spending authorized by the Additional Ukraine Supplemental Act, which US President Joe Biden signed into law in May. The Pentagon was allocated at least half of the sum, including $9 billion to replenish US military stocks.
The US did not officially announce the delivery of Excalibur munitions to Kiev. But Ukrainian troops have shared videos on social media in which they apparently fired the shells on the battlefield.
In one video, reposted by a Russian war correspondent as proof that the precision rounds were being used by the Ukrainian side, a Ukrainian soldier jokingly remarked that his unit will “throw to the wind a heap of money” before loading the munition into a gun and firing it.
Canadian media reported in April that their country was quietly shipping Excalibur shells to Ukraine to complement the declared deliveries of the US-made M777 howitzers.
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Blinken unexpectedly visiting Kiev — AFP
It is reported that the US Secretary of State would announce allocating some $2 billion in military aid for Ukraine and 18 more countries
PARIS, September 8. /TASS/. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived on Thursday on an unexpected visit to Kiev to discuss military assistance, AFP reported.
According to the French news agency, the US high-profile official will discuss giving some $2.7 billion in military aid to Ukraine and neighboring countries. The visit is Blinken’s second to the Ukrainian capital since the start of Russia’s special military operation, AFP said.
The Associated Press said Blinken had arrived in Ukraine to demonstrate US support.
Reuters reported earlier on Thursday citing a Department of State official that the US Secretary of State would announce allocating some $2 billion in military aid for Ukraine and 18 more countries. These funds would come on top of a $675 million package announced on Thursday by Pentagon chief Lloyd Austin.
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Again me not liking what i see here. It's really not that funny. Enjoying someone else's misfortune and remember - that misfortune will not happen to Ursula von der Lyer, Biden, Macaron or their families but to me and other average people.. Even those people you consider blind sheep who only believe the official narrative are not to be blamed entirely bacause as Norman wrote in Reversing The Spell thread:
Isserly, Although I got a chuckle out of this, I am absolutely not wishing a winter without hot water on anyone, except upon the architects of this war, who will undoubtedly be spending the Winter in their over heated mega mansions in between their private jet trips to Majorca. I have an elderly aunt in Germany and I do worry about her and how she is going to get through the winter. While her parents spent many winters in an unheated farmhouse except for a fireplace in the kitchen, and heating seems like a modern luxury, it will make a difference in the quality of life and health that people experience. It might even be the difference between life and death for some people.
War is the most absurd phenomena known to mankind, and humor has a strange way of bridging that gap. We are, for the most part, kind creatures and it is incomprehensible that so many humans get led into committing such atrocities. It is beyond logic as, sometimes, humor is. I might slip on a banana peel, and it might give you a hearty laugh, but that doesn't mean you don't feel sorry for me when I injure my spine.
We are all paying the price of war in different ways. Pretty sure my winter heating bill here in the U.S.A. is going to be enormous which might seem trivial to those who may not even have it, and that seems trivial to what people in Kiev, or at the front lines are going through. But no matter which of these places we are in, we all just might find a little comfort in laughter, which is sometimes driven by the cruel absurdities of life on this planet.
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No series of war crimes would be complete without the Queen of War Crimes herself chiming in. Here she is on Jimmy Fallon talking about the Ukraine at (2:45):
"They are getting the weapons they need to defend themselves and they are now on offense. I think we have to keep supporting them, helping them. They were attacked by an unprovoked act of war and they held out and they've done better than anyone could have predicted and *elinsky has been a true war time leader. I am so impressed with him and I think, you know, the United States should stand with them, along with all of our friends."
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Again me not liking what i see here. It's really not that funny. Enjoying someone else's misfortune and remember - that misfortune will not happen to Ursula von der Lyer, Biden, Macaron or their families but to me and other average people.. Even those people you consider blind sheep who only believe the official narrative are not to be blamed entirely bacause as Norman wrote in Reversing The Spell thread:
Isserly, Although I got a chuckle out of this, I am absolutely not wishing a winter without hot water on anyone, except upon the architects of this war, who will undoubtedly be spending the Winter in their over heated mega mansions in between their private jet trips to Majorca. I have an elderly aunt in Germany and I do worry about her and how she is going to get through the winter. While her parents spent many winters in an unheated farmhouse except for a fireplace in the kitchen, and heating seems like a modern luxury, it will make a difference in the quality of life and health that people experience. It might even be the difference between life and death for some people.
War is the most absurd phenomena known to mankind, and humor has a strange way of bridging that gap. We are, for the most part, kind creatures and it is incomprehensible that so many humans get led into committing such atrocities. It is beyond logic as, sometimes, humor is. I might slip on a banana peel, and it might give you a hearty laugh, but that doesn't mean you don't feel sorry for me when I injure my spine.
We are all paying the price of war in different ways. Pretty sure my winter heating bill here in the U.S.A. is going to be enormous which might seem trivial to those who may not even have it, and that seems trivial to what people in Kiev, or at the front lines are going through. But no matter which of these places we are in, we all just might find a little comfort in laughter, which is sometimes driven by the cruel absurdities of life on this planet.
Humor is generally accepted more easily when it is at one's own expense and less so when jokes are reposted from a great distance - and at someone else's expense. It's not that I lack a sense of humor, the problem is that I personally feel quite vulnerable right now because of other people's wars and bad policies, not to mention Satanists in power. in such a vulnerable state, it's not funny to me, it makes me depressed. Fortunately, I have a forest near my house, so I can jump to get firewood if needed.
Maybe one day I'll find it funny.
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Again me not liking what i see here. It's really not that funny. Enjoying someone else's misfortune and remember - that misfortune will not happen to Ursula von der Lyer, Biden, Macaron or their families but to me and other average people.. Even those people you consider blind sheep who only believe the official narrative are not to be blamed entirely bacause as Norman wrote in Reversing The Spell thread:
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I'm beginning to think that part of reversing any spell there ( and I'm sure there IS at least one ) is going to have to be a screening/blocking of technologically generated influence-at-a-distance.
In comically simple language, we need tin foil hats first before we can really get our true selves back into the reasoning and thinking arena of solving the problem.
At this point, I really don't think there is any remote place on the planet to run to where we can escape it. It's almost certainly coming at us from satellites above our heads
So Bill maybe you'll need hot water tour as well.. (I really don't wish that on anyone)
Dear Isserley :heart:
Maybe I need to apologize for the dark humor. (Not my humor, but reposted humor from others.) :flower:
I don't wish bad things on anyone, either. I don't know anyone who does.
That post didn't even really belong on this thread, but I wanted Mashika to see it as she had posted just above about the stark and growing differences between the 'west' (including almost all of Europe) and Russia, which is in remarkably good shape regarding energy, resources, and its own societal structure.
And Mashika sometimes needs a smile right now, even if it's only for a few moments. (She, too, doesn't wish anything bad on anyone, not ever.)
Those who are causing all this are the EU politicians. Not the citizens, and certainly not me, Tintin, Mashika, or you. I'm deeply concerned about the rapidly growing crisis in Europe, and follow the updates daily and sometimes even hourly. I wish all this was not happening... but it is.
And many innocent people will suffer. I absolutely know and understand with all my heart and soul that there's nothing at all funny about that.
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This is the same guy that said "The USSR will not invade Ukraine" lol, semi-illiterate just like the rest (I have lost all little respect i had left for any of the western government officials, in case it wasn't noticeable enough lol)
And i love how they keep calling it "Aid" when everyone knows perfectly well this is a business of selling guns and dropping old obsolete garbage in exchange for new ones, and that in the end all the "aid" money will be collected from the Ukrainian civilians through decades and several generations. It's such a dumb game of pretend
The UN is useless and a bunch of cowards as well, all of them playing the diplomacy game, vague statements here and there, slow as snail actions, delayed investigations due to the smallest excuses they can find, fake neutrality only when necessary, blind observers that only see what they are told to see. And then fake investigators like the OSCE, who ended up supporting the Azov and other groups, openly, and then no investigation ever happened about how or why cars and other equipment was suddenly found in Azov's hands, or why there were found boxes of mortars and other ammo in OSCE's offices in Ukraine when the 'officials' had to leave urgently and did not had time to cleanup the offices
It's all a fake, the UN, any other organization associated and supposedly impartial are just fronts for the US government
It is hilarious to watch them give speeches, lie with a straight face, playing pretend in the game of democracy and diplomacy. They have no honor or any kind of self respect anymore, just are hoes sold to the US will and interests :)
What is the worst is that this is perfectly visible to every single other country in the world, and yet these people keep playing pretend as if nothing is wrong, and i find that deplorable
But i only wonder how can it be that very little people across the western world are doing something, and how come they are by now so numb they just sit there watching and obeying while their world collapses in the name of saving the US's leadership?
It's very odd how people just sit idly watching their world collapse and see nothing wrong, they only talk about it as if it was an annoyance and nothing else
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I'm not talking from any kind of higher moral ground, i'm just saying it how i see it, and i think a lot of people see it too in the same way. It's painfully obvious the US is trying to collapse the EU so that they can keep being on top and in control
It's like i said before some time ago:
You can't be the best runner if someone else is better and faster than you, so you can do one of two things:
1. Train to get faster and win fair and with honor
2. Break the other runner knees so he can't run, then you will be the fastest and best and can go celebrate your fake victory
The US government has chosen since long ago
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What is the worst is that this is perfectly visible to every single other country in the world, and yet these people keep playing pretend as if nothing is wrong, and i find that deplorable
Yes. But 'every single other country in the world' (mostly!) encompasses about 85% of the world's population.
That's most if not all of Africa, Asia and South America. The governments, and many of the people (well-informed by the media there) know exactly what's happening.
The 'western' media won't report any of that, but the world has already quietly voted on all this. We're watching it all play out from what is now a minority platform that is rapidly becoming less and less influential and able to control global events.
Remember a couple of months ago when the current Head of the African Union (the President of Senegal), after his meeting with Putin, said [my paraphrase from memory] that in his experience this was the very first time a white man had treated the African Nations with genuine respect. That's a HUGE thing, ignored in the US/EU, but a real tipping point for Africa.
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But i only wonder how can it be that very little people across the western world are doing something, and how come they are by now so numb they just sit there watching and obeying while their world collapses in the name of saving the US's leadership?
It's very odd how people just sit idly watching their world collapse and see nothing wrong, they only talk about it as if it was an annoyance and nothing else
This was the basis of my angry rant which I posted 3 weeks ago on what is now the Propaganda Wars thread.
Some are very aware, for sure. But OMG, it's far far too few [yet] to exert any kind of real leverage on the criminals who are running their governments. Even the Dutch farmers can't make a real impact on their politicians. But — I do predict — this winter in the US/EU will see some major upheavals starting to happen.
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What is the worst is that this is perfectly visible to every single other country in the world, and yet these people keep playing pretend as if nothing is wrong, and i find that deplorable
But i only wonder how can it be that very little people across the western world are doing something, and how come they are by now so numb they just sit there watching and obeying while their world collapses in the name of saving the US's leadership?
They have no honor or any kind of self respect anymore.
Well, try live in it, it is like a weird kind of nightmare not ending, getting worse actually, it really is a Clownshow.
The main reason People are not able to do anything is because of the fact that we're divided by divisions, that and media outlets whom are constantly lying and making up stories. The divide which rages through Western People is done by design, so that the happy few can keep robbing, raping and killing us and at the same time look innocent while doing so. Even if People Unite like the Farmers protests, media does not cover it so other People do not get the feeling and the story (in the South West for instance) and as a result do not get worked up and find cause to unite against those failed Human beings. It is all done by design, very hard to break through it, they'd need to start seeing what's going on at news outlets and so on, but they're all controlled.
They never had any honor to begin with.
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Hi. Well i guess i may be one of those few(for now)living a lonely life with mostly the exception of my mother and a few friends and relatives, all sharing the same insights on the reality of the situation... But what can be done ? Truely i mean, apart from managing to get a hold on a gun and shooting dead some personality whom i won't name but you'll all recognize as soon as i'm telling you that i'm living in downtown Paris, France. And anyway if any of us in any of the corrupted and pathetics EU countries managed to eliminate one of our "so called" leaders, another puppet would immediatly takes its place and the "coup" would be as usual put on the shoulders of Vladimir "Sauron" which is the delusional image of him that is now imprinted in i'd say more or less fifty percent of the european population. All of these fools literally believing they're in a transposed real world kind of Tolkien or Star Wars situation and that they're impersonated as f****** elves, hobbits and members of the rebelle alliance is freakin' hilarious and sad at the same time. I guess Amazon perfectly timed it's Lord of the rings serie release by the way. ****ing kings at communicating and manipulating the masses, ****ty and dumbs as a rock in everything else.
To tell the truth i guess you can talk and even debate with a lot of people, but some of them you can't even start a conversation on for say the SMO(and probably a lot of other things....). You'll immediately be labeled as a traitor if you don't follow the mainstream view of the things.
However inaptitude and complete corruption of our leaders and the fact that the big ol' crooked US of A are running the show in a very detrimental way to our continent is starting to emerge in the collective consciousness.
Things are(still slowly)changing, and the rollercoaster of a probable total economical and social collapse that is coming down upon us here in Europe may accelerate the process. The only way to turn the table over now is for the people to rise and truely fight for their rights, tear down the tyranny even if we never managed to truely set us free before. We have to try once more. So we'll see, i fear it might have to get bloody and fierce.
