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Hello thepainterdoug,
I just wanted to say Thank you for this thread. In my own journey I started reading and learning about NDEs many years ago and still continue to do so because it uplifts my spirit especially when I feel hopeless.
I just wanted to ask you if you heard of PMH Atwater, she not only had an NDE and wrote about it but she has written several books on the topic and more.
The link to her website is,
http://pmhatwater.com/
Sincerely,
Ravenlocke
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Re about who is it to tell him it wasn't his time yet and he needed to go back and fulfil his life's purpose....
He did resist going back but nevertheless DID go back -
He said it was the (masculine) 'being'..... God....the I am that I am.... that told him it wasn't his time - so I presume 'God' - the I am that I am... had overall authority and knowledge to impart this or perhaps authority isn't quite the right word - the MISSION? to tell him that and help him to go back to complete his life's purpose...
like if a child was about to step off the edge of a cliff and be killed - it would be a duty to stop them if you could - you would assume the 'authority' to do that....
just trying to speculate/philosophise on the point you brought up...
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Well, I guess Raymond should have asked God: "what if I decide now, to abandon fulfilling my life purpose?"
The concept of "preventing a child to step off the edge of a cliff and be killed" does make sense when here on earth.
Of course one would prevent a child from jumping off a cliff - but in the above case of an NDE a higher being would probably say best: Ok, by returning to your body you could complete your outset live purpose but, if you decide now otherwise, you may go and pursue a new adventure ...
I am personally all in for the being to grant his power of choice - but then again - in the above NDE perhaps the temporarily departed was never mean't to leave.
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cheers - re your last paragraph ---- about granting the power of choice - - - what, though, if it was his Higher Self - speaking to him in the form of 'God' because 'God' the I am that I am.... is the sum total of all our Higher Selves - (to put it very simply)
It would be Himself advising Himself because he didn't want him(self) to mess up and abandon the young Raymond's body....because he hadn't fulfilled his purpose
if you get my drift....
the 'drift' that I've just formulated due to your questioning - :)
If I may, just a passing personal comment on this most interesting thread.Quote:
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I feel I have to agree with jaybee: it does seem that the many clearly very sincere NDE reports are often so very incompatibly different from each other, in so many different ways, that some degree of subjectivity/belief/illusion (or possibly even deception) surely has to be in play here.
(I don't for a moment doubt the reality of NDEs. But regarding the 'reality' of exactly what is perceived or experienced, it seems that not every one of them can possibly be 'right'.)
I just saw this thread... after I watched this NDE narration. I agree with a lot of you in that every NDE experience is a reflection of the individual's belief system, and this one is no different. (a caveat - I've viewed a few where a practitioner of Islam saw/experienced Jesus, and ended up converting... I have not viewed any of the reverse.)
That said, I did feel that this particular experience reflects the PROBABLE nature of our Reality as We Create it...
posted yesterday... 12 min
In Unity, Peace and LOVE
It's not necessarily true that a person's belief system always affects the NDE...
Plenty of atheists have met Jesus in NDE's.
Plenty of agnostics have had hellish experiences. Plenty of atheists too.
Something like 25% of NDE's are hell-related. And all sorts of people have found themselves there, people who never gave a thought to things like hell (or heaven) during their earthly lives.
I've watched maybe a hundred testimonies on YouTube, and read just as many ..and quite a few of these people had no idea what to expect after death, but had a profound afterlife experience nonetheless. And there is quite a bit of overlap in the experiences, generally speaking..
The individual often does not know they are dead initially. That's almost always the case. They float above their body for a bit, making little mental notes about this n that, and have the ability to read thoughts...which makes for humorous stories once they return and explain everything to the astonishment of everyone involved.
They're amused to find out their unique personality survives death. That's very common.
A majority find themselves in a tunnel of light. But they're first in complete darkness - a soothing darkness - and a blip of light from a great distance arrives to meet them. It provides a conduit to something like an afterlife, thru a tunnel, where they meet deceased family and friends (or sometimes angels or guides of some sort).
They have no attachment to their body, none at all. And quite often they initially have no memory of the life they've just participated in (tho that memory tends to return). There's often no desire to return to friends and family. There's a sense that one is now "home" ..and when told they have to return to earth, will fight tooth and nail to stay (even if it means arguing with God). But, they "still have work to do", and are sent back into what are now very uncomfortable earthly bodies.
This all happens after the "life review", usually, where the deceased are not just shown but literally experience their life all over again, but this time from the perspective of the people they've interacted with ..feeling all the feelings they caused others to feel. There's no judgement from God, just from oneself.
I'm forgetting a bunch but you get the point. Almost unfailingly they all follow a similar pattern. Even the hell experiences are pretty consistent.
So, the small details vary, occasionally dramatically, but the framework is almost always the same.
Thanks, Mike, I think I have something really useful first-hand knowledge to add.Quote:
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Background: As I mentioned elsewhere, my wife died half a year ago. Fast, widely spread,
hopeless cancer. No vaxxes. She was with me at home in her own bed the last months.
Much to say, but I select these points:
a) We tried all possible alt-ways to boost her body. No effect, BUT she felt fine until the last week,
when her energy completely disappeared. Almost no pain, but sleepy, zero-energy.
b) I talked with her carefully, every day, that this is what happens to everyone.
No reason to worry, I'll be behind some thousands of days later.
c) When she was in her last moments in the hospice, completely unconscious, rarely breathing, I kissed my goodbyes
and told that things are ok (in case she somehow could notice my words) and decided to drive home to rest (I was completely
exhausted, after months of not much sleep).
[And now, important:]
d) During the driving (while crying), I suddenly got a strong feeling of happiness.
At home, I ate well, feeling good, almost smiling. Two-three hours later I got a call that she had died.
e) She knew everything about OOBE, NDE, etc. I bet she died with no worries, but curious.
When she was 'there', she wanted to ease my sadness. And I felt it.
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Posted by HopSanThanks, Mike, I think I have something really useful first-hand knowledge to add.Quote:
Posted by Mike
Background: As I mentioned elsewhere, my wife died half a year ago. Fast, widely spread,
hopeless cancer. No vaxxes. She was with me at home in her own bed the last months.
Much to say, but I select these points:
a) We tried all possible alt-ways to boost her body. No effect, BUT she felt fine until the last week,
when her energy completely disappeared. Almost no pain, but sleepy, zero-energy.
b) I talked with her carefully, every day, that this is what happens to everyone.
No reason to worry, I'll be behind some thousands of days later.
c) When she was in her last moments in the hospice, completely unconscious, rarely breathing, I kissed my goodbyes
and told that things are ok (in case she somehow could notice my words) and decided to drive home to rest (I was completely
exhausted, after months of not much sleep).
[And now, important:]
d) During the driving (while crying), I suddenly got a strong feeling of happiness.
At home, I ate well, feeling good, almost smiling. Two-three hours later I got a call that she had died.
e) She knew everything about OOBE, NDE, etc. I bet she died with no worries, but curious.
When she was 'there', she wanted to ease my sadness. And I felt it.
HopSan that is a remarkable story. Thanks so much for sharing it:handshake:
That's gutting my friend. Very sorry you had to endure all that:heart:
But how wonderful that she gave you this gift of easing your sadness. What a beautiful blessing. I'm so pleased that happened.
This is often another part of the experience I forgot to mention: the deceased visit family and friends shortly after passing and offer blessings when possible. Also, the angels and guides that are with them either let them know yes, so and so will be fine without you and you can move on in your spiritual journey..or no, they will not be fine and you need to return to earth to assist them. Or, sometimes, it doesn't necessarily matter either way and the deceased are given the choice to remain deceased or to come back to earth
Mike, you are hitting important points:Quote:
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1) "Easing your sadness"... This is the strangest thing: I then felt that I was
the person to help the one in despair (she). I was exhausted, but not in any danger of crashing.
2) Also: I felt that she broke some 'cosmic' rules to help me so soon.
I was meant to be the one to help her, I was the stronger one, I needed no help!
3) My conclusion then and now: She had permission to 'inform' me,
so that I could tell this story for those who really need this hope.
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I was just thinking of what animals might experience re NDEs and death of the physical body itself... and remembered something that happened many years ago when I lived in a caravan on a farm - a small caravan site in the middle of fields that were used for grazing sheep....
I was walking to town through the fields one day and came across a dying sheep - I felt sorry for it and sat down next to it to be with it as it passed from this world... I can't remember the details now but I was trying to give it companionship and loving thoughts - as it died all alone away from it's flock -
At some point my mind + being was filled with images of a little lamb on a spring day running through luscious green fields in the sun - bouncing around - happy and carefree, pure and innocent -
The sheep had passed away and I felt that I'd joined with it as it died and seen + felt what it was experiencing - was this part of it's sheepy life review or it moving to sheep heaven - as a step towards the 'broader, deeper' heaven - (state of being)....
The pic below is Jesus calling a little lamb to him.... though maybe a sheep might be called first by it's earthy mother, all sheep smelling fleece and milky teats - don't know - my darling dog died 10 days ago and when the dying began (3 days before the end) something changed in her and I knew straight away she was dying (she was quite old and had a heart murmur and was on heart tablets)..... she was looking at me meaningfully and intently as the change happened - I'm not sure if she had a little stroke and was looking at me as if saying - something's happening - I thought she was going then and there in the middle of the night and we stared into each other's eyes and I was stroking her lightly...and found myself saying 'into the arms of Jesus - let go - it's ok - go into the arms of Jesus...'
re the opening post of this thread - I have no traditional religious upbringing - but in 2020 - how can I put this .... the spirit of Jesus came into my life...I might say more about this another time - so's not to make this too long because this post is mainly about the dying sheep that I sat with all those years ago back in the 1970s...
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What a beautiful post above jaybee :heart: I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your dear dog. I do feel we are connected to our dearest pets. I have had dreams when one of a pair of dogs or donkeys had died and they would be calling the other one left behind to the other side, seemingly waiting for the other so they could continue their journey together, and some how not too long after the other of the pair would pass from something unexpected. I so hope we will spend time with our companions again :shooting star::stars::heart:
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Thank you Harmony :heart: - I haven't dreamt about her yet but it's early days - over the years I've had deceased pets appear in dreams - I always say that her mission in life was to meet and greet her adoring public + she was always going up to people and saying hello, wagging her tail and making them feel special and happy (she was a Yorkshire Terrier, Chihuahua cross) ... everyone loved her....
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Again, I'm not sure where to post this (sorry) but here it is:
Psychic Reveals Humanity's Future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2NthQP09R4&t=920s