WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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Russian Defense Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation

27 August 2023

▫️ Last night, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation launched a strike with long-range airborne high-precision weapons against an airfield near Pinchuky (Kiev region). The objective of the strike has been achieved. All the assigned targets have been engaged.

▫️ In Kupyansk direction, the Zapad Group of Forces, supported by aviation, artillery fire, and heavy flamethrowers, repelled 11 attacks by assault detachments of the 43rd, 44th, 115th mechanized and 68th Jaeger brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the day in the areas of Sinkovka (Kharkov region), and Novosyolovskoye and Novoegorovka (Lugansk People's Republic).

▫️ The enemy's losses in Kupyansk direction amounted to up to 120 Ukrainian servicemen killed and wounded, one tank, three armored fighting vehicles, three vehicles, as well as a U.S.-made M777 artillery system.

▫️ In Zaporozhye direction, units of the Russian grouping of forces, using the results of air strikes and artillery fire, successfully repelled five attacks by assault groups of the 116th Mechanized, 82nd Air Assault, and 46th Airmobile brigades of the AFU of Rabotino and Uspenovka (Zaporozhye region).

▫️ Over the day in Zaporozhye direction, up to 200 Ukrainian servicemen, three armored fighting vehicles, four motor vehicles, two US-made M777 artillery systems, German-made Panzerhaubitze 2000 and Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery systems, a D-20 howitzer, and a U.S.-made M119 gun were neutralised.

▫️ In Donetsk direction, two enemy attacks were repelled close to Pervomaiskoye and Nevelskoye (Donetsk People's Republic) by concerted action of the Yug Group of Forces in co-operation with aviation, artillery, and heavy flamethrowers.

▫️ The enemy's losses in Donetsk direction amounted to up to 240 Ukrainian servicemen killed and wounded, three armoured fighting vehicles, five pick-up trucks, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle, a U.S.-made M777 artillery system, and two D-30 howitzers.

▫️ In Krasny Liman direction, units of the Tsentr Group of Forces, air strikes, and artillery fire repelled three attacks by assault groups of the 42nd Mechanised Brigade of the AFU near Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic).

▫️ During the day, the enemy's losses in Krasny Liman direction amounted to more than 80 Ukrainian troops, two armoured fighting vehicles, two pick-up trucks, and two Gvozdika self-propelled artillery units.

▫️ In South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok Group of Forces, air strikes, artillery fire, and heavy flamethrowers inflicted fire damage on clusters of AFU manpower and hardware in the areas of Novodonetskoye (Donetsk People's Republic) and Priyutnoye (Zaporozhye region).

▫️ The enemy's losses amounted to up to 130 Ukrainian servicemen, two armoured fighting vehicles, three motor vehicles, as well as D-20, Msta-B, and D-30 howitzers.

▫️ In Kherson direction, Russian units eliminated up to 15 Ukrainian servicemen, five motor vehicles, a U.S.-made M777 artillery system, and a D-30 howitzer as a result of a complex fire attack.

▫️ Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Armed Forces' grouping of troops (forces) engaged manpower and military hardware of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 144 areas.

▫️ In addition, a P-37 radar station used for detecting air targets, guiding fighter aircraft, and targeting anti-aircraft missile systems was destroyed near the city of Zaporozhye.

▫️ An ammunition depot of the 47th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU has been destroyed near Slavgorod (Dnepropetrovsk region).

▫️ The Russian fighter aviation shot down a Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force near Zalivnoye (Zaporozhye region).

▫️ Air defense forces shot down two Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force close to Malaya Tokmachka and Novodanilovka (Zaporozhye region). Nine HIMARS projectiles were intercepted during the day.

▫️ In addition, 30 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down close to Nikolayevka, Privolye, and Topolevka (Lugansk People's Republic), Lozovoye, Ivanovka, Semigorie, and Podgornoye (Donetsk People's Republic), Novoye, Chapayevka, Tokmak, and Skelevatoye (Zaporozhye region) and Vasilievka (Kherson region).

📊 In total, 466 airplanes and 247 helicopters, 6,152 unmanned aerial vehicles, 433 air defense missile systems, 11,527 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,145 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 6,079 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 12,463 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Russian Defense Ministry

https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1695801515221406143

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/s...85579407937817

WOW! 585 pages of effort on the thread, this is amazing...

I suppose I haven't even made any attempts to figure the situation out due to the disinformation, misinformation, and downright lies that the public is typically fed... the psychological warfare aspect to any war environment.

But kudos to those who are giving a voice for the people affected by this tragic mess, on both sides, as we are all just trying to get by in this world... From the looks of it, it is not just one war, but many, being fought on a global scale, many under cover, and covertly, of which we will never know the details... One can only hope humanity eventually learns to let go of greed, learns to share, and respect one another... And grows up at some point...

But I suspect "Power and control" is just too tempting for many... Thank You to those who are spending the time to look into such things...

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I suppose I haven't even made any attempts to figure the situation out due to the disinformation, misinformation, and downright lies that the public is typically fed... the psychological warfare aspect to any war environment.

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It is pretty simple.

What we are seeing is the outcome of western civilization = a type of rogue breakaway which is historically traceable over the centuries.

Most Russians can give it an off-the-cuff description starting from the Great Schism of 1054, although we can go much further than that; again for simplicity's sake, one could say that the doctrine of Aristotle given to Alexander the Great is:


Anyone different from us is not human. Slaughter them like livestock.


Same message is repeated by Ukraine, while the Russian view is that all human life is sacred, even if you are not part of our culture.


To borrow their phrase, what would it take to "de-Nazify the west"?

Russia does not really have an ancient culture, but, it is fairly old, and despite its own sins and problems, it can turn around and reflect on something inspirational from centuries past.

The English language is not even that old. It does not have the vocabulary to handle anything from outside of its sphere, which is obviously based on biases and aggressions directed against the inferiority of "others", never mind that you can be "othered" within the Anglosphere itself just by not being trendy or pretty enough.


This split is massive, deep, and very real, but in many ways is kind of superficial. For example, if you go back over the way N. Rothschild bought the stock market because of the Battle of Waterloo, what he actually did was not much more than an impish, schoolboy prank. Anyone with the tiniest thread of awareness would have just smacked him and nothing would have happened. So, all we are doing is intellectually smacking the guy who is acting weird in the stock market.

It amounts to an identity crisis, since, on a global scale, it is becoming more of an issue how the G7 and NATO countries will remain relevant to the BRICS zone.

There is a stall pattern due to people in office who are implicated in the related crimes, in fact we can easily conceive this means not just the office but "presidential family", and so on from there. Office holder happens to be a Catholic Zionist to which the Ukrainian system effectively functions as Money Launderer.


The split is bad enough that it is nearly impossible to express anything in the English language that has anything morally valid to stand on. Almost anything we can say in it has been shaped by this supremacy. All of those attitudes need to be heavily purged. Granted, I am surrounded by millions of people who heavily cling to them.

The militant hegemony of mono-polar order is effectively stopped, but, there are some inner reflections and confrontations that would have to take place by a lot of its people in order to exhaust the support.

Now, here's an interview I'd love to hear :fingers crossed:

Source: https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/s...51233402081602

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🇺🇸🇷🇺 “Tucker Carlson has requested an interview with President Putin.” - RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan

Rus Kupiansk,
Oskol River Coming, West In Denial;
Ukr Fears West Preparing Abandon;
Neocon War Niger

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jZgbZwPBYbw

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Now, here's an interview I'd love to hear :fingers crossed:

Source: https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/s...51233402081602

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🇺🇸🇷🇺 “Tucker Carlson has requested an interview with President Putin.” - RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan

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RT's editor-in-chief apparently said Tucker wants to interview Putin.

"Tucker is a great fellow, he, by the way, really asks for an interview with Vladimir Putin. If suddenly someone heard and conveyed this to the president, it would be great,".

The last time Tucker tried to interview Putin the NSA broke into his signal account and someone in government discreetly approached him then the interview never happened. Make of that what you will.

The whole world has an interest in such an interview. We're getting closer to a 3rd World War.

Now that Tucker is independent the chances might be better.


https://twitter.com/BenFRubinstein/s...75891723690251

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/03/20/k...carlson-putin/

I am the “US-based Kremlin intermediary” that tried to help Tucker Carlson book an interview with Putin
ANYA PARAMPIL·MARCH 20, 2023

Tucker Carlson accused the NSA of spying on his personal communications when he tried to schedule an interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin. I can corroborate his story.

On March 10, Fox News host Tucker Carlson told the Full Send podcast that the US government “broke into [his] text messages” in the summer of 2021, just months before the launch of Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

Carlson claimed the spying occurred as he was planning a trip to Russia, where he hoped to record a conversation with the country’s president. According to Carlson, he learned of the surveillance after a US government source arranged to meet him in Washington and proceeded to share information with him that only someone with access to his private, personal text messages could have known.

“This person’s like… ‘Are you planning a trip to go see Putin?’ This was the summer before the war started. And I was like, ‘how would you know that? I haven’t told anybody,'” Carlson recalled.

“I was intimidated,” he added. “I’m embarrassed to admit, but I was completely freaked out by it.”

Carlson’s interview with Full Send did not represent the first time he spoke publicly about the NSA’s surveillance of his private communications. On June 28, 2021, Carlson opened his primetime Fox News show with a monologue accusing the Biden Administration of spying on his team, disclosing that an NSA whistleblower had contacted him and “repeated back to us information about a story that we are working on that could have only come directly from my texts and emails.” At the time, he did not disclose specific details about the story in question.

“The NSA captured that information without our knowledge, and did it for political reasons,” the Tucker Carlson Tonight host declared, asserting his source informed him that the Biden Administration planned to “leak” his private texts “in an attempt to take this show off the air.”

Carlson’s colleagues at Fox proceeded to studiously ignore his allegations, while other mainstream news outlets appeared to mock the host for going public with the information. When anonymous NSA officials announced that an internal agency review found “no evidence” to support Carlson’s claims the following month, the corporate press took them at their word.

Amidst the NSA’s denials, however, a report surfaced that seemed to directly support Carlson’s narrative. On July 7, an Axios “scoop” cited unnamed US officials accusing the Fox host of “talking to U.S.-based Kremlin intermediaries about setting up an interview with Vladimir Putin shortly before [he] accused the National Security Agency of spying on him.”

Though the government officials who planted that story remain anonymous, I can confirm the identity of at least one of the “US-based Kremlin intermediaries” in question.

It was me. They lied.

“Strangely, I can not send my message of interest to talk to Mr. Carlson directly to him”

In April 2021, Tucker Carlson told me that he was trying to book an interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin, but that he kept running into roadblocks. Though Tucker knew I previously worked as an anchor and correspondent for the Russian government-funded news channel RT America in Washington DC, he was not asking for my assistance. In fact, I do not believe he even considered that I could help him book the interview in any way.

Regardless, I attempted to assist Tucker’s pursuit of the interview through a senior Russian government contact. Ironically, the contact had not been established through my time at RT America, but my work as a correspondent for The Grayzone, the online outlet that has employed me since early 2019. The Grayzone is fully independent and not connected to Russia or any other government, financially or otherwise.

In July 2019, I traveled to Caracas, Venezuela, to cover a high-level diplomatic meeting of the Non-Aligned Movement. While in Caracas, I met Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister, Sergey Ryabkov and interviewed him for The Grayzone’s YouTube channel. (Many of the predictions Ryabkov made, including that the US dollar would soon lose its significance in the global economy, are currently playing out as a direct result of US and European sanctions levied in response to the Ukraine war).

Having found his insights on international relations extremely relevant to my coverage of the emerging multi-polar world, I maintained occasional contact with Ryabkov over email in the months following our discussion. When Tucker told me that he was hoping to arrange an interview with Putin, I offered to connect him with Ryabkov.

I had met Tucker in July 2018, when we both covered President Trump’s highly anticipated summit with his Russian counterpart in Helsinki, Finland. Though Tucker had been dispatched to the Finnish capital for an interview with Trump, I personally always believed that a far more interesting conversation would have resulted from an exchange between him and Putin (who was instead left to have a predictably hostile, largely forgettable encounter with Chris Wallace, then of Fox, now at CNN).

When Tucker expressed his desire to interview Putin three years later, I volunteered to put him in contact with Ryabkov by email so they could discuss his plan to visit Russia. I expected to write a basic introductory email, receive a standard “thank you” from both parties, and let Tucker’s team manage communication from there.

Both Tucker and Ryabkov replied to my initial message within hours. Yet their digital exchange took an inexplicable turn.

On the evening of April 16, 2021, I sent a brief email introducing Ryabkov to Tucker. Tucker responded within minutes, informing Ryabkov that he planned to record shows in Russia in the summer of that year. Just over five hours later, Ryabkov replied that he would be happy to talk with Tucker and proposed time slots for a phone call the following week.

I assumed my role was done. Yet on April 20, I received a follow-up email from Ryabkov.

“Strangely, I can not send my message of interest to talk to Mr.Carlson directly to him. I tried it twice with no success,” the diplomat informed me, before asking me to relay his message.

At the time, I did not think much of the issue. I thought that perhaps Tucker’s email service, which was different than mine, had sent the note to spam, or that I had mistyped an email address. In retrospect, however, I should have been suspicious. Both Tucker and Ryabkov had received and replied to my initial message, meaning their respective addresses were typed correctly in the thread. And Ryabkov’s email to Tucker wasn’t going to spam – it was failing to deliver altogether.

The digital communication error between Ryabkov and Tucker was not a one-off event. Weeks later, on May 25, I received a message from Ryabkov’s team explaining that Tucker had failed to reply to a yet another email. They kindly requested I ask Tucker if he had received their message. Once again, he had not.

Roughly one month later, Tucker informed me that a source inside the NSA had contacted him to warn that the US government had caught wind of his effort to interview Putin by spying on his electronic communications. Tucker went public with the story on June 28. As summarized above, virtually every single mainstream reporter, including those at Fox, trusted the denials of the US government rather than rally behind one of their own.

There are three points I must emphasize here. One: it is completely normal and routine for journalists to maintain contact with high-level government sources, domestic or otherwise. Two: it is also normal and routine for journalists to share those connections with trusted colleagues and friends. Three: at the time, I genuinely believed that a Tucker-Putin interview would have moved us closer to peace. Instead, we are currently positioned on the brink of nuclear war.

Oh, and the obligatory fourth point: I am absolutely not a Kremlin operative or “intermediary.” I have no relationship with the Kremlin, and I have not accepted financial support from any state or state-sponsored organization since my departure from RT America in December 2018. Even then, my “relationship” with the Russian government was completely transparent. Would anyone suggest that US or British citizens employed by Al Jazeera, for example, are representatives of the Emir of Qatar? I worked for RT America because they gave me an opportunity to cover the actions of my own country at home and abroad from a perspective that domestic, corporate-run networks would have never allowed. When that reality changed (paradoxically thanks to US, not Russian, government interference), I walked out — but that’s a story for another day.

In truth, even my “Russian” forename is simply a product of the fact that my Indian-American father and American mother could not agree on anything else to call me. So why did US government sources characterize me as a Kremlin intermediary? Do they have any evidence to formally accuse me of being such? Or did they simply dump that information on an unquestioning Axios reporter without even offering them my name?

The answer to the second question is of course, no. The answer to the third: probably. As for the first? Clues can be found in the more recent effort to tarnish Tucker’s reputation through legal machinations and the selective leaking of his private text messages.

Target: Tucker

In March 2021, Dominion Voting Systems filed a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News on the basis that it incurred financial damages as a result of the network’s coverage of the 2020 Presidential Election. Though Tucker is not named in the suit, last year a judge allowed Dominion to seize the Fox host’s private text messages. Within months, the contents of Carlson’s personal texts had made their way to the pages of the Washington Post.

Curiously, coverage of Carlson’s private messages has so far focused on a single comment he made about former President Trump — not Dominion Voting Systems. Earlier this month, mainstream outlets seized on a January 2021 text the Fox host sent one of his producers in which he claimed to “passionately” hate the former president. The story represented an obvious attempt to drive a wedge between Carlson and Trump just before the the 2024 presidential election season officially heats up.

Whether such tactics will succeed in undermining Carlson and Trump’s relationship is a question only they can answer. It is worth noting, however, that Carlson consistently attempted to reorient Trump toward his “America First” agenda throughout the latter’s time in the White House, using his show to offer principled critiques of the former president’s decision to bomb Syria, escalate regime change operations against Venezuela, and assassinate Iranian Major General Qasem Soleimani. In June of 2019, Carlson personally persuaded Trump to reject the advice of his national security team and elect not to retaliate against Iran over its decision to shoot down a US drone that had violated its sovereign airspace. The Fox host’s actions not only averted a deadly US military strike on Iran, but a potential regional war.

For anyone who values peace and diplomatic engagement over military conflict, Carlson’s influence over Trump — and the US public, for that matter — must be regarded as positive. Perhaps that is why the press, including his colleagues at Fox, have refused to publicly denounce the US government’s selective targeting of Tucker. After all, aside from a handful of Fox News hosts who have attempted to cop his anti-interventionist style, the mainstream media are in virtual lockstep when it comes to inciting continued US involvement in the Ukraine conflict.

Tucker is by far the most popular US media figure to consistently denounce Washington’s escalations in the Ukraine battle, articulate the looming reality of World War III, and sound the alarm over the threat of global nuclear war. As if such positions did not threaten powerful forces enough already, last December he even dedicated a lengthy show open to investigating the murder of President John F. Kennedy, revealing a source with “direct knowledge” of classified information told him the CIA did in fact have a hand in the assassination.

Though the campaign to cancel Tucker is largely framed in terms of the culture wars and partisan debate over the events of January 6, it is substantially driven by neoconservative interventionists seeking to muzzle the pro-war Uniparty’s single greatest foe. If the Dominion lawsuit succeeds in bankrupting Fox, or even casting Tucker as the network’s scapegoat, it will have succeeded in punishing the media’s pre-eminent opponent of the escalating Ukraine proxy war.

Which brings us back to the question: why did US government sources characterize me as a “Kremlin intermediary” while feeding a “journalist” information about Tucker’s private texts back in July 2021? The answer is simple: US officials weaponized my mere existence, through innuendo, in order to suggest Tucker was involved with Kremlin agents. By undermining his credibility, they aimed to invalidate his character and by extension, his anti-war positions.

Beyond the financial threat it poses to Fox, the Dominion suit similarly aims to discredit Tucker. And politics aside, it poses a major threat to the First Amendment.

What does the fact that a corporation can sue a media organization over critical coverage, allege financial damage, and gain access to a journalist’s private texts say about a society that claims to value a free press? If Dominion is able to target a company as powerful as Fox in such a manner, what does that mean for those of us who challenge corporate and government interests in independent media? Why aren’t more journalists asking these questions?

And finally, if the Fox-obsessed Beltway press corps is truly so concerned with holding journalists accountable for “knowingly lying” to the public, there is no shortage of willful deceptions to reckon with. After all, this week marks 20 years since the launch of the US military campaign in Iraq, a catastrophic war that was directly enabled by lies its greatest cheerleaders in the press still repeat to this day.

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Last October, Prigozhin arrived at an airbase in eastern Libya like this to meet with Libyan military leader Khalifa Haftar. ㅤ

He was surrounded by six guards, and the locals thought he was the leader of an Islamic Salafi movement.

Prigozhin was convinced that French intelligence and the CIA could have infiltrated Haftar's entourage… The Libyan uniform he wore during his trips to Libya was sewn in Syria so that no bugs or tracking devices were inserted

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/s...58900769792405

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🪖 The likely burial place for Prigozhin could be the cemetery of the "Wagner Group" in Goryachy Klyuch.

Sources within the inner circle of the Wagner Private Military Company suggest that the head of the group may be buried near the chapel of the "Wagnerites" in the Krasnodar Krai.

Ostashko! Stay informed

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...71799962075548

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During his last trip to Africa, Yevgeny Prigozhin held talks with CAR President Touadéra. As a result of this meeting, it was promised to strengthen the presence of the Wagner PMC, including on the borders with the DR Congo.
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In addition, services were offered to the new military government of Niger.
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This trip with the final video from Mali was intense and fruitful. ㅤ

orchestra_w

https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1695902740663210123

https://twitter.com/apocalypseos/sta...18446469595382

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WOW! 585 pages of effort on the thread, this is amazing...

I suppose I haven't even made any attempts to figure the situation out due to the disinformation, misinformation, and downright lies that the public is typically fed... the psychological warfare aspect to any war environment.

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My own simplest-possible summary. (Anyone viewing this who's unclear or confused, please do read!)

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• The war was started in 2014, by the US (via a coup in Ukraine). It was not "unprovoked".

• The US's intention has been, and still is, to destroy Russia. One of many reasons is that they want Russia's natural resources.

• Zelensky is a bought-and-paid-for western puppet.

• Putin is an able, sane, ethical, grounded, Christian, methodical, reasonable, cautious, highly aware and highly intelligent man. He's widely respected in Russia and in every other country apart from in North America, Europe, and Aus/NZ. (That's most of the world.)

• Almost everything reported about (a) Russia, (b) the war, and (c) Putin in the western mainstream is a flat-out propaganda lie.

• Russia has not committed any 'war crimes'. Ukraine has, many times over and in many different ways, including the deliberate bombing and killing of over 14,000 civilians in Donbass since 2014. That's still happening.

• Russia is winning the war rather like Mike Tyson boxing with a skinny teenager. They could turn Kiev (or Ukraine) into a sea of glass anytime they want to, but Putin (being reasonable and cautious, see above) doesn't want to provoke WWIII, or cause more damage than is militarily necessary. (Russia has lost maybe 50,000 men in the war. Ukraine has lost anything between 350,000—500,000.)

• But if attached directly by NATO, Russia will take the gloves off, and they have clear military and nuclear superiority over the west in every way. (This could still happen.)

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Posted by Denise/Dizi

WOW! 585 pages of effort on the thread, this is amazing...

I suppose I haven't even made any attempts to figure the situation out due to the disinformation, misinformation, and downright lies that the public is typically fed... the psychological warfare aspect to any war environment.

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My own simplest-possible summary. (Anyone viewing this who's unclear or confused, please do read!)

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• The war was started in 2014, by the US (via a coup in Ukraine). It was not "unprovoked".

• The US's intention has been, and still is, to destroy Russia. One of many reasons is that they want Russia's natural resources.

• Zelensky is a bought-and-paid-for western puppet.

• Putin is an able, sane, ethical, grounded, Christian, methodical, reasonable, cautious, highly aware and highly intelligent man. He's widely respected in Russia and in every other country apart from in North America, Europe, and Aus/NZ. (That's most of the world.)

• Almost everything reported about (a) Russia, (b) the war, and (c) Putin in the western mainstream is a flat-out propaganda lie.

• Russia has not committed any 'war crimes'. Ukraine has, many times over and in many different ways, including the deliberate bombing and killing of over 14,000 civilians in Donbass since 2014. That's still happening.

• Russia is winning the war rather like Mike Tyson boxing with a skinny teenager. They could turn Kiev (or Ukraine) into a sea of glass anytime they want to, but Putin (being reasonable and cautious, see above) doesn't want to provoke WWIII, or cause more damage than is militarily necessary. (Russia has lost maybe 50,000 men in the war. Ukraine has lost anything between 350,000—500,000.)

• But if attached directly by NATO, Russia will take the gloves off, and they have clear military and nuclear superiority over the west in every way. (This could still happen.)

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This is a good synopsis of the situation if you don't take into account that Putin is a WEF "Young Leader"; early on there was a video of Klaus ceremoniously presenting Putin a copy of his new book. I don't think you can get a clear picture of what's going on without taking this into account.

The media is constantly pushing a polarized agenda; them or us, democrats or republicans, black vs white; hetero vs lgbt to divide and conquer; they're doing exactly the same in regards to Ukraine of course.

But let's suppose for an instant that Putin is another tentacle of the WEF and being used to depopulate Ukraine; the agricultural milk-and-honey locale. This would explain Putin's soft approach. He's not seeking new territory, he just wants them all dead.

I've leaning more towards an ELE event coming and the bunkers aren't fully stocked. They need food and fuel to stockpile and the less what they view as useless eaters on the planet, the easier this is for them. The WEF is pushing no meat, no travel; which tells me that the things they need for last minute prepping are food and fuel. In an Occam's Razor analysis, it's the simplest explanation and IMHO the correct one.

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Posted by Denise/Dizi

WOW! 585 pages of effort on the thread, this is amazing...

I suppose I haven't even made any attempts to figure the situation out due to the disinformation, misinformation, and downright lies that the public is typically fed... the psychological warfare aspect to any war environment.

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My own simplest-possible summary. (Anyone viewing this who's unclear or confused, please do read!)

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• The war was started in 2014, by the US (via a coup in Ukraine). It was not "unprovoked".

• The US's intention has been, and still is, to destroy Russia. One of many reasons is that they want Russia's natural resources.

• Zelensky is a bought-and-paid-for western puppet.

• Putin is an able, sane, ethical, grounded, Christian, methodical, reasonable, cautious, highly aware and highly intelligent man. He's widely respected in Russia and in every other country apart from in North America, Europe, and Aus/NZ. (That's most of the world.)

• Almost everything reported about (a) Russia, (b) the war, and (c) Putin in the western mainstream is a flat-out propaganda lie.

• Russia has not committed any 'war crimes'. Ukraine has, many times over and in many different ways, including the deliberate bombing and killing of over 14,000 civilians in Donbass since 2014. That's still happening.

• Russia is winning the war rather like Mike Tyson boxing with a skinny teenager. They could turn Kiev (or Ukraine) into a sea of glass anytime they want to, but Putin (being reasonable and cautious, see above) doesn't want to provoke WWIII, or cause more damage than is militarily necessary. (Russia has lost maybe 50,000 men in the war. Ukraine has lost anything between 350,000—500,000.)

• But if attached directly by NATO, Russia will take the gloves off, and they have clear military and nuclear superiority over the west in every way. (This could still happen.)

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This is a good synopsis of the situation if you don't take into account that Putin is a WEF "Young Leader"; early on there was a video of Klaus ceremoniously presenting Putin a copy of his new book. I don't think you can get a clear picture of what's going on without taking this into account.

The media is constantly pushing a polarized agenda; them or us, democrats or republicans, black vs white; hetero vs lgbt to divide and conquer; they're doing exactly the same in regards to Ukraine of course.

But let's suppose for an instant that Putin is another tentacle of the WEF and being used to depopulate Ukraine; the agricultural milk-and-honey locale. This would explain Putin's soft approach. He's not seeking new territory, he just wants them all dead.

I've leaning more towards an ELE event coming and the bunkers aren't fully stocked. They need food and fuel to stockpile and the less what they view as useless eaters on the planet, the easier this is for them. The WEF is pushing no meat, no travel; which tells me that the things they need for last minute prepping are food and fuel. In an Occam's Razor analysis, it's the simplest explanation and IMHO the correct one.

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Putin is not in the WeF, just because you take a look at/inside someone's kitchen doesn't mean you work there. Done this myself years ago with some political party, hung around certain People to see what was what.

WeF is what Russia and Putin are opposing, if you had seen any of the speeches given by PaPu (especially at the start of SpeMiOp) you would have known this.

Anyway, thinking about these things can't hurt either, TinTin or Bill probably know where to find those speeches if you're wondering.

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TinTin or Bill probably know where to find those speeches

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Yes, many of those are here in the library (where else? :p)

Vladimir Putin Munich Security Conference Speech 2007

St Petersburg Economic Forum 2016

Various important speeches, including the announcement of the SMO, and other transcripts and statements made during the SMO, here, in the library :muscle:

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• I know the chance of this ever to going to happen is extremely slim (near zero!) but hear me out:

Imagine if Zelensky decides to confess he was/is paid & manipulated by the totally corrupt part of NATO with certain "promises", he admits he FEARS for his life and the safety of his loved ones because of the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis called AZOF Brigade having a track record of killing 1000s of Russian Civilians in the 2010s up to now violating the Minsk Agreements.

That was KNOWN even reported by the western mass media, but refusing to call it provoking a War with Russia! ... Mass media admitting multiple times on record (before the war started) that Ukraine is the most corrupt nation of all nations, Eurasia (Europe/Asia).

Admitting he knew Ukraine has no chance of winning but rely heavily on becoming a "NATO member" >>> even if that becomes a reality, there is no guarantee that "all goes well" for humanity as a whole! ... Meaning: WW3 will start with global mutual nuclear destruction as a result.

Imagine he admits crushing all Ukrainian dissenting voices, including all common sense people in Ukraine! ... dismantling all kinds of Ukrainian: opposition, media, multiple democratic political parties in Ukraine which is obvious the opposite of "Defending Democracy".

• On top of all that, Ukrainian adult males (that are not represented anymore) were forced to use weapons in a totally useless, hopless, unwinnable war! ... And many Russian soldiers/officers KNOWS THAT ... that is why they show countless videos how they treat Ukrainian soldiers waving a white flag to surrender with great respect & decency! <<< but you will not see that in any pro-NATO Western Media, they do not care about the unrepresented Ukrainians being sacrificed to serve a bigger "New World Order" plan.

How many Ukrainian children lost their: father, brother & uncle ... Fathers losing their sons NOT because they were against Russia, but they were not represented anymore and FORCED to join the totally insane war PUSHED by all Pro-NATO mass media worldwide! <<< in my view, they all have blood on their hands!

Remember Hillary Clinton repeating over and over the blatant lie that what the Russians did was so called: "unprovoked" and how the mass media only promotes a certain narrative to push Ukraine over the cliff!

• How much of the billions of US/EU Tax money spend in Ukraine was not spent for the Ukrainians at all!

Imagine if Zelensky will expose it all and tell the truth for a change,"even asking for forgiveness" that 100,000s died needlessly. 100,000s of fathers, brothers, sons, uncles, husbands.

After confessing all that, Zelensky will not survive that not only because of the totally ruthless Ukrainian Neo-Nazis AZOF Brigade, but he will most likely be killed by the rage of almost all (unrepresented) Ukrainians!

... and maybe he knows that!

--o-O-o--

• In my view, the biggest systematic push of a tunnel vision "Russia Phobia" narratives started, when Hillary Clinton openly threatened to use Nuclear weapons if Russia "interferes" with the 2016 elections on multiple levels ... not mentioning that anything can be considered "interference" even TELLING THE TRUTH via RT dot com or RT on YouTube ... Hillary Clinton quote: "We Are Losing The Information War"

• The ultra hypocrisy of The USA is extreme harrowing knowing how they manipulated almost all elections in all countries worldwide.

• So when a different source other than western Mainstream Media sharing hard verifiable truths & facts that HAVE an impact on how people think & judge how they are "governed" >>> will be seen as an "election intervention" even if it is 100% the truth that is exposed!
  

• Many hard hitting uncovered truths that have been shared on RT (Russia Today) were ALREADY shared on Alex Jones's infowars and countless other American based independent alternative media outlets ... Most, if not all were originally investigated & exposed by Americans not Russians >>> the moment RT used some of it Hillary claimed that is "proof" that Alternative Media is spreading "Russian Propaganda" WHICH IS A BLATANT LIE! ... It was RT using real independent research done by Americans and HELPS better understand how we all get scrwed on this (fcked up) planet done by lying psychopathic control freaks & dystopian technocrats.
  

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• Hillary Clinton 2016:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1fGWuillRXM

• I posted it also on Facebook ... let's see how long they allow it to be shown!

cheers,
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• The CIA lied to us, they covered it all up. Joe Rogan finally understands.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v-vpOt5NIXo

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• The war was started in 2014, by the US (via a coup in Ukraine). It was not "unprovoked".

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To be conservative, let's say 1600.

Ukraine and environs have been razed multiple times, particularly in the name of religious persecution which in some cases means Orthodox Christianity and others Jews. We found that "pogrom" became a loan word to the English language due to Ukraine; and then it certainly had no small part in the settlement of Zion. The U. S. got involved in 1946 Operation Belladonna. Since then I would go so far as to say 2014 consisted of the primary actors actively confessing their deeds in real time of committing them.

It is possible it was relatively free of violence for about seventy years until that happened.

The Soviets put in most of the infrastructure, and then...well, if anyone can come up with something decent to say about post-Soviet Ukraine, I guess it could go here. Any criterion I have come across sounds undesirable.

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Putin is not in the WeF, just because you take a look at/inside someone's kitchen doesn't mean you work there. Done this myself years ago with some political party, hung around certain People to see what was what.

WeF is what Russia and Putin are opposing, if you had seen any of the speeches given by PaPu (especially at the start of SpeMiOp) you would have known this.

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That is very correct, it is like a whole bunch of the African coup leaders were said by the State Department to have U. S. training, and, what we have done for the Africans is give them this training so they go do whatever they want.

Simple membership to any organization does not really tell us anything. Votes and money trails do. That shapes a scenario where you might be able to say that CFR only takes people who have backed up some WEF scheme with votes and money, rather than falling off. There are second-tier outfits that move more or less unanimously.

The main opposing principle at work is No One World Currency.

A "trade unit" is not a world currency.

However, China and India are heavily hooked to western economies, which makes a kind of band-aid since it is not in their interest to see the dollar go to dust. Russia is remarkably independent owing to a purge of Atlanticists.

Scott Ritter's write up that complements his recent interview comments regarding Yevgeny Prigozhin sourced from Scott Ritter Extra

Best in Hell: Yevgeny Prigozhin, a Quintessentially Modern Russian Hero

A fully imaginary announcement from Putin. I wonder who else, in Russia, might be thinking somewhat along these lines.

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My friends, and those of you listening who consider yourself to be my enemies, I am making this statement today to make a promise, and to give a warning, and also to be fair. Because those who know me well understand that I am a very fair man. I also have considerable patience, and I know I have been criticized for that. That is an irony, considering that I am painted in the west as being some kind of irrational, trigger-happy, psychopathic monster.

I am none of those things. I am in fact a Christian, and I sometimes wonder if my counterparts in the west are Christians also. But I am not afraid to make major decisions. We have reached a point now where the patience of not only myself, but that of many Russian people, is wearing very thin. So I am here giving this ultimatum that in exactly 7 days, which is to say exactly 168 hours, Kiev will be destroyed.

Military analysts throughout the world who are honest and well-informed, and not under the silencing yoke of western political propaganda, will already know that Russia has rewritten much of the age-old arts and principles of warfare. No war on Earth in the future will ever be like those of the past. We are living in different times now.

To further rewrite these unwritten rules, I am giving due warning for every person to leave, or to be evacuated, from Kiev. There is adequate time for that if the process is started now. We wish no harm on civilians, the young, the infirm, the elderly, or even the tens of thousands of wounded soldiers and others who are in Kiev's many hospitals. We are not murderers. We do not firebomb cities, or drop nuclear bombs on civilian targets. Russia never has.

So, at the end of this brief statement, the clock will begin. After 168 hours, we will assume that Kiev contains no humans, and, if you are as humane as you claim to be, no animals. Any decisions you may consider making about defying this warning are on your shoulders and would spotlight you as the true murderers in this war, as you have been since 2014.

Military analysts who are honest will also know that in effect you have been murdering your own people ever since the war started. Countless good men, and many good women, have been methodically sent to the slaughterhouse of the front lines where several hundred thousands have already died or been severely maimed. It is probable that several dozen more Ukrainian soldiers have been killed just since the start of this short speech.

All that has been unnecessary since the west's orders to Zelensky not to negotiate an agreement of peace. All that was nearly 18 long months ago. During that time, Ukraine has been practically destroyed as a functioning modern state. When this military operation started in February 2022, that was never our intention or our goal.

So, all that is on you. If you take an action of which you already know the inevitable result, then the responsibility for that outcome is yours.

That is all I have to say. I do not bluff. We will not use nuclear weapons, as we have other means. You might regard this as a kind of technology demonstrator. And no, the weapons we have so far not used in the war, and which the west does not even know for sure that we have, do not depend on chips from washing machines.

The 168 hours starts right now. Thank you.

"A fully imaginary announcement from Putin." By whose imagination? You may want to re-format the above to make sure that it is seen as someone's imagination, not Putin's. You don't wanna be the next H G Wells.

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WOW! 585 pages of effort on the thread, this is amazing...

I suppose I haven't even made any attempts to figure the situation out due to the disinformation, misinformation, and downright lies that the public is typically fed... the psychological warfare aspect to any war environment.

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My own simplest-possible summary. (Anyone viewing this who's unclear or confused, please do read!)


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• The war was started in 2014, by the US (via a coup in Ukraine). It was not "unprovoked".

• The US's intention has been, and still is, to destroy Russia. One of many reasons is that they want Russia's natural resources.

• Zelensky is a bought-and-paid-for western puppet.

• Putin is an able, sane, ethical, grounded, Christian, methodical, reasonable, cautious, highly aware and highly intelligent man. He's widely respected in Russia and in every other country apart from in North America, Europe, and Aus/NZ. (That's most of the world.)

• Almost everything reported about (a) Russia, (b) the war, and (c) Putin in the western mainstream is a flat-out propaganda lie.

• Russia has not committed any 'war crimes'. Ukraine has, many times over and in many different ways, including the deliberate bombing and killing of over 14,000 civilians in Donbass since 2014. That's still happening.

• Russia is winning the war rather like Mike Tyson boxing with a skinny teenager. They could turn Kiev (or Ukraine) into a sea of glass anytime they want to, but Putin (being reasonable and cautious, see above) doesn't want to provoke WWIII, or cause more damage than is militarily necessary. (Russia has lost maybe 50,000 men in the war. Ukraine has lost anything between 350,000—500,000.)

• But if attached directly by NATO, Russia will take the gloves off, and they have clear military and nuclear superiority over the west in every way. (This could still happen.)

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Thank you Bill, for this straightforward summary, which will certainly be helpful for readers who are unfamiliar with the full spectrum of events.

I have one suggestion which will make your meaning entirely clear, that is to modify your first sentence :

The war was started in 2014, by the US (via a coup in Ukraine). It was not "unprovoked".

approximately as follows:

The war was started in 2014, by the US (via a coup in Ukraine). The Ukrainian government's agressive actions during the years 2014-2022 against the Russian speaking Eastern Ukraine provoked a Russian response in February 2922. This ongoing "Special Military Operation” by Russia was not "unprovoked".[/LIST]

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• I know the chance of this ever to going to happen is extremely slim (near zero!) but hear me out:

Imagine if Zelensky decides to confess he was/is paid & manipulated by the totally corrupt part of NATO with certain "promises", he admits he FEARS for his life and the safety of his loved ones because of the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis called AZOF Brigade having a track record of killing 1000s of Russian Civilians in the 2010s up to now violating the Minsk Agreements.

That was KNOWN even reported by the western mass media, but refusing to call it provoking a War with Russia! ... Mass media admitting multiple times on record (before the war started) that Ukraine is the most corrupt nation of all nations, Eurasia (Europe/Asia).

Admitting he knew Ukraine has no chance of winning but rely heavily on becoming a "NATO member" >>> even if that becomes a reality, there is no guarantee that "all goes well" for humanity as a whole! ... Meaning: WW3 will start with global mutual nuclear destruction as a result.

Imagine he admits crushing all Ukrainian dissenting voices, including all common sense people in Ukraine! ... dismantling all kinds of Ukrainian: opposition, media, multiple democratic political parties in Ukraine which is obvious the opposite of "Defending Democracy".

• On top of all that, Ukrainian adult males (that are not represented anymore) were forced to use weapons in a totally useless, hopless, unwinnable war! ... And many Russian soldiers/officers KNOWS THAT ... that is why they show countless videos how they treat Ukrainian soldiers waving a white flag to surrender with great respect & decency! <<< but you will not see that in any pro-NATO Western Media, they do not care about the unrepresented Ukrainians being sacrificed to serve a bigger "New World Order" plan.

How many Ukrainian children lost their: father, brother & uncle ... Fathers losing their sons NOT because they were against Russia, but they were not represented anymore and FORCED to join the totally insane war PUSHED by all Pro-NATO mass media worldwide! <<< in my view, they all have blood on their hands!

Remember Hillary Clinton repeating over and over the blatant lie that what the Russians did was so called: "unprovoked" and how the mass media only promotes a certain narrative to push Ukraine over the cliff!

• How much of the billions of US/EU Tax money spend in Ukraine was not spent for the Ukrainians at all!

Imagine if Zelensky will expose it all and tell the truth for a change,"even asking for forgiveness" that 100,000s died needlessly. 100,000s of fathers, brothers, sons, uncles, husbands.

After confessing all that, Zelensky will not survive that not only because of the totally ruthless Ukrainian Neo-Nazis AZOF Brigade, but he will most likely be killed by the rage of almost all (unrepresented) Ukrainians!

... and maybe he knows that!

--o-O-o--

• In my view, the biggest systematic push of a tunnel vision "Russia Phobia" narratives started, when Hillary Clinton openly threatened to use Nuclear weapons if Russia "interferes" with the 2016 elections on multiple levels ... not mentioning that anything can be considered "interference" even TELLING THE TRUTH via RT dot com or RT on YouTube ... Hillary Clinton quote: "We Are Losing The Information War"

• The ultra hypocrisy of The USA is extreme harrowing knowing how they manipulated almost all elections in all countries worldwide.

• So when a different source other than western Mainstream Media sharing hard verifiable truths & facts that HAVE an impact on how people think & judge how they are "governed" >>> will be seen as an "election intervention" even if it is 100% the truth that is exposed!
  

• Many hard hitting uncovered truths that have been shared on RT (Russia Today) were ALREADY shared on Alex Jones's infowars and countless other American based independent alternative media outlets ... Most, if not all were originally investigated & exposed by Americans not Russians >>> the moment RT used some of it Hillary claimed that is "proof" that Alternative Media is spreading "Russian Propaganda" WHICH IS A BLATANT LIE! ... It was RT using real independent research done by Americans and HELPS better understand how we all get scrwed on this (fcked up) planet done by lying psychopathic control freaks & dystopian technocrats.
  

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cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
July 14th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

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• Hillary Clinton 2016:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1fGWuillRXM

• I posted it also on Facebook ... let's see how long they allow it to be shown!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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• The CIA lied to us, they covered it all up. Joe Rogan finally understands.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v-vpOt5NIXo

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Thank you John!
I resonate strongly with your statements about Ukrainian men being sacrificed and slaughtered by their own "government”.

All those people in “our” West throwing their arms in the air and disingenuously expressing their concern for the Ukrainian population in the form of biscuits for the kids so as not to have to engage brutally and relentlessly their government because of its murderous support for manslaughter on an epic scale! I vomit over them.

And yes, how correctly stated: the "Russian propaganda" was in actual fact original revelations by American truth seekers. For years I pointed out to my Belgian relations: "we should not lament U.S. policies, as our governments are complicit with them: we should on the contrary seek out the American truth seekers and support them as fully and as strongly as we can”. To no avail. They prefer to condescendingly criticise instead of admiring and helping heroes. I vomit over them.

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A fully imaginary announcement from Putin. I wonder who else, in Russia, might be thinking somewhat along these lines.

:flower:

My friends ...Thank you.

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Is this actual or was this made up? Can't really say, :-)