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    https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status...50660353413120



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    https://twitter.com/highlightsnews1/...60761280962584



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    NATO Summit: Analysis with Scott Ritter & Dmitry Polyanskiy | Maverick News

    Russian Ambassador Dmitry Polyanskiy and Former U.N. Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter join Maverick News Hosts, Rick Walker and Lori Spencer for a round table analysis of the NATO Summit 2023. Russia's response to the NATO Summit and the new NATO Declaration.
    In this rebroadcast the issues covered include:

    * NATO saying no to Ukraine UN Membership
    * Economic Factors for the Conflict in Ukraine
    * Finland and Sweden NATO Membership
    * Zelensky and his role as an ACTOR



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    ❗️🇺🇸🇹🇷 Seymour Hersh: Biden promised Erdogan help from the IMF in exchange for Sweden's admission to NATO

    According to the journalist, Biden said the IMF would provide Turkey with a "$11-13 billion line of credit" if Erdogan ratifies Sweden's NATO bid.

    📝 "Biden needed a win, and Turkey is in an acute financial crisis," Seymour Hersh quoted a source as saying.

    ✖️ The Turkish leader needs to rebuild the country after the devastating earthquakes, so "he did not give up the money." Unlike principles...

    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...81110638592000


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    🇺🇦⚔️🇷🇺 The enemy is storming Urozhaynoye, trying to break through the front at the junction of Zaporozhye and the DPR
    Deputy Head of the National Guard for the DPR A. Khodakovsky on the situation on the Vremevsky ledge on the South-Donetsk sector of the front:
    ➨"After a massive artillery preparation, the enemy went for a breakthrough in the direction of the settlement Urozhaynoye to the right of Velikaya Novoselovka.
    ➨ At the moment, he is suffering significant losses, but he does not stop trying to break through our defenses. Harvest is not the first time attacked: apparently, after unsuccessful attempts to capture Novodonetsk, the enemy determined this direction for himself as the most optimal vector of advance.

    #source

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    Kiev is sounding the alarm over the alleged new agreement to hand over to Hungary several AFU servicemen of Hungarian nationality who had been taken prisoner by Russia.

    They are worried that it is enough for a fighter to surrender and declare himself a Hungarian in order not only to save his life, but also to find himself in the EU, and even in a country where the SBU will not reach him. We can assume that many people will start to declare themselves, for example, as Ruthenians, whom Hungary is also ready to patronise. And someone will be able to jump out of the meat grinder, where the Nazis sent him.

    So far, neither Budapest nor the Russian Orthodox Church has confirmed Kiev's information.

    #source

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    🇷🇺 Yesterday in the evening:

    The main statements of Vladimir Putin on the air of the Rossiya-24 TV channel:

    ◾️ Ukraine's NATO membership will pose a threat to Russia's security;

    ◾️ NATO membership will not increase the security of Ukraine itself;

    ◾️ The possible entry of Ukraine into NATO was one of the reasons for the special operation;

    ◾️ The missiles supplied to Kiev cause damage to the Russian Federation, but nothing critical;

    ◾️ Russia has destroyed 311 Ukrainian tanks since June 4 alone, of which at least a third are Western ones;

    ◾️ New arms deliveries to Ukraine will only fuel the conflict more;

    ◾️ The Ukrainians themselves do not want to get into Western tanks, as they burn more than the Soviet ones;

    ◾️ Ukraine has the right to ensure security, but not at the expense of creating threats to the Russian Federation;

    ◾️ In the draft Istanbul agreement, Ukraine's security guarantees were specified in great detail;

    ◾️ The Russian Federation is not against discussing security guarantees for Ukraine, but not to the detriment of its own security;

    ◾️ The Russian Federation considered the draft Istanbul agreement with Ukraine generally acceptable;

    ◾️ The economic policy of the West during the pandemic is wrong;

    ◾️ Sanctions against the Russian Federation have aggravated the situation in the global food and energy markets;

    ◾️ Many European countries began to refuse Ukrainian grain and discriminate against it;

    ◾️ Only slightly more than 3% of the food under the grain deal went to the poorest countries, the rest went to "well-fed Europe";

    ◾️ No guarantees to the Russian Federation on the grain deal were fulfilled;

    ◾️ The grain deal is a one-sided game;

    ◾️ The Russian Federation will still think about how to act on the issue of extending the grain deal;

    ◾️ The Russian Federation may suspend participation in the grain deal until the fulfillment of promises to take into account its requirements;

    ◾️ The Russian Federation will extend the grain deal "exactly at the moment" as the obligations to it under these agreements are fulfilled.

    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...68495074967554


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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    • I know the chance of this ever to going to happen is extremely slim (near zero!) but hear me out:
    Imagine if Zelensky decides to confess he was/is paid & manipulated by the totally corrupt part of NATO with certain "promises", he admits he FEARS for his life and the safety of his loved ones because of the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis called AZOF Brigade having a track record of killing 1000s of Russian Civilians in the 2010s up to now violating the Minsk Agreements.

    That was KNOWN even reported by the western mass media, but refusing to call it provoking a War with Russia! ... Mass media admitting multiple times on record (before the war started) that Ukraine is the most corrupt nation of all nations, Eurasia (Europe/Asia).

    Admitting he knew Ukraine has no chance of winning but rely heavily on becoming a "NATO member" >>> even if that becomes a reality, there is no guarantee that "all goes well" for humanity as a whole! ... Meaning: WW3 will start with global mutual nuclear destruction as a result.

    Imagine he admits crushing all Ukrainian dissenting voices, including all common sense people in Ukraine! ... dismantling all kinds of Ukrainian: opposition, media, multiple democratic political parties in Ukraine which is obvious the opposite of "Defending Democracy".
    • On top of all that, Ukrainian adult males (that are not represented anymore) were forced to use weapons in a totally useless, hopless, unwinnable war! ... And many Russian soldiers/officers KNOWS THAT ... that is why they show countless videos how they treat Ukrainian soldiers waving a white flag to surrender with great respect & decency! <<< but you will not see that in any pro-NATO Western Media, they do not care about the unrepresented Ukrainians being sacrificed to serve a bigger "New World Order" plan.
    How many Ukrainian children lost their: father, brother & uncle ... Fathers losing their sons NOT because they were against Russia, but they were not represented anymore and FORCED to join the totally insane war PUSHED by all Pro-NATO mass media worldwide! <<< in my view, they all have blood on their hands!

    Remember Hillary Clinton repeating over and over the blatant lie that what the Russians did was so called: "unprovoked" and how the mass media only promotes a certain narrative to push Ukraine over the cliff!
    • How much of the billions of US/EU Tax money spend in Ukraine was not spent for the Ukrainians at all!
    Imagine if Zelensky will expose it all and tell the truth for a change,"even asking for forgiveness" that 100,000s died needlessly. 100,000s of fathers, brothers, sons, uncles, husbands.

    After confessing all that, Zelensky will not survive that not only because of the totally ruthless Ukrainian Neo-Nazis AZOF Brigade, but he will most likely be killed by the rage of almost all (unrepresented) Ukrainians!

    ... and maybe he knows that!

    --o-O-o--
    • In my view, the biggest systematic push of a tunnel vision "Russia Phobia" narratives started, when Hillary Clinton openly threatened to use Nuclear weapons if Russia "interferes" with the 2016 elections on multiple levels ... not mentioning that anything can be considered "interference" even TELLING THE TRUTH via RT dot com or RT on YouTube ... Hillary Clinton quote: "We Are Losing The Information War"
    • The ultra hypocrisy of The USA is extreme harrowing knowing how they manipulated almost all elections in all countries worldwide!
    • So when a different source other than western Mainstream Media sharing hard verifiable truths & facts that HAVE an impact on how people think & judge how they are "governed" >>> will be seen as an "election intervention" even if it is 100% the truth that is exposed!
    • Many hard hitting uncovered truths that have been shared on RT (Russia Today) were ALREADY shared on Alex Jones's infowars and countless other American based independent alternative media outlets ... Most, if not all were originally investigated & exposed by Americans not Russians >>> the moment RT used some of it Hillary claimed that is "proof" that Alternative Media is spreading "Russian Propaganda" WHICH IS A BLATANT LIE! ... It was RT using real independent research done by Americans and HELPS better understand how we all get scrwed on this (fcked up) planet done by lying psychopathic control freaks & dystopian technocrats.


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    --o-O-o--
    • Hillary Clinton 2016:

    • I posted it also on Facebook ... let's see how long they allow it to be shown!
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    BREAKING: Biden Orders Reserve Military Members To ACTIVE DUTY!
    Yes, this is also reported in the mainstream — though at first sight it only seems a small thing, involving 3,000 troops and other personnel. (And of course, it might be just a cosmetic gesture to bolster NATO's plummeting morale after the recent Vilnius conference.)

    We'll likely hear some more about this today from Alexander Mercouris, and (if this means anything significant) from Doug Macgregor, Scott Ritter and others.
    Sure enough, here's Alexander Mercouris discussing this in the opening 5 minutes of a 20-minute update published a few minutes ago.

    US 3,000 reservists, mission creep or trip wire. Putin to ditch grain deal

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Just to remember...

    2 of the "west rebuilder" after WW2...


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    Just to remember...

    2 of the "west rebuilder" after WW2...

    Are you in Argentina?

    If so, wouldn't that give you something to say about the persistence of these Germans?

    Or, that coups orchestrated in South America in the 1930s were intentionally done, to lead to the formation of the United Nations?

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    During the debate on recent developments in Ukraine and Russia, MEP Marcel de Graaff (FVD) gave a painful summary of the crimes committed by Ukraine on Wednesday. This is to the visible displeasure of VVD MEP Malik Azmani.

    “Ukraine is not a democracy. Opposition parties have been banned, opposition leaders have been murdered, elections are a thing of the past,” De Graaff said.
    • VVD member shakes his head
    “Ukraine is a country led by war criminals who set up combat positions in hospitals and schools, who bomb apartment blocks and shopping malls, who torture and kill prisoners of war, who loot churches and imprison priests,” De Graaff boomed, as Azmani shook his head.

    Moreover, as this House has emphasized often enough, Ukraine is deeply corrupt. Zelensky and his clique are siphoning hundreds of millions out of international aid money, he added.
    • Prosperity and peace
    “This political choice for Ukraine has led to a sharp increase in Ukrainian organ trafficking, child trafficking, arms trafficking and hundreds of thousands of migrants, to priceless energy and groceries for our citizens, to the financial abyss of hundreds of thousands of families in the EU.”

    “Citizens are paying the price and that is why the EU must immediately stop this war in Ukraine and use EU funds for prosperity and peace for our citizens,” the MEP stressed.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Whilst TV ads ask for donations for starving kids, Australian kids that is, and tent cities are starting to pop up in Sydney due to unaffordable rent prices we donate 890 million dollars to Ukraine.

    How about looking after our own backyard and put the money to good use here, instead blowing it overseas in a failed war.

    In turn we would be shortening this war by starving the Zelensky regime of western support, as President Putin noted.


    Australia Gifts 30 Additional Bushmasters to Ukraine

    Australia will provide 30 additional Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicles to Ukraine, demonstrating our ongoing commitment to their defence against Russia’s aggression.

    The contribution expands on Australia’s previous commitment of 90 protected mobility vehicles, taking Australia’s provision of Bushmasters to Ukraine to 120. This takes Australia’s total military assistance provided to over $710 million and Australia’s overall assistance to Ukraine to approximately $890 million.

    This announcement follows the recent gifting of 70 assorted highly capable military vehicles, a supply of critical 105mm ammunition and a $10 million contribution to the Ukraine Humanitarian Fund announced by Australia in late June.

    Royal Australian Air Force E-7A Wedgetail aircraft to Germany

    This also builds on the Government’s commitment earlier this week to deploy a Royal Australian Air Force E-7A Wedgetail aircraft to Germany for approximately six months from October to help protect a gateway of international humanitarian and military assistance to Ukraine. This deployment includes up to 100 crew and support personnel.

    The aircraft will provide early warning in the event of any threats outside of Ukraine against the gateway for humanitarian and military assistance.


    Along with our international partners, Australia continues to look for practical ways to assist the Ukraine Government and people and help bring about a rapid conclusion to the immoral and unprovoked invasion by Russia.


    Quotes attributable to Prime Minister, the Hon. Anthony Albanese MP:
    “I am pleased to have met President Zelenskyy again today and to inform him of Australia’s decision to gift 30 additional Bushmasters to Ukraine.

    “Australia remains steadfast in its commitment to support Ukraine.

    “We are proud to provide additional Bushmaster vehicles to assist the brave men and women fighting for their home and their nation’s sovereignty.

    “Russia unilaterally launched this illegal and immoral invasion and should withdraw its troops and end the conflict immediately.”

    Link: https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/...asters-ukraine
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by Vicus (here)
    Just to remember...

    2 of the "west rebuilder" after WW2...

    Are you in Argentina?

    If so, wouldn't that give you something to say about the persistence of these Germans?

    Or, that coups orchestrated in South America in the 1930s were intentionally done, to lead to the formation of the United Nations?
    To respond ASAP without "research":

    _No, I don't live in Argentina
    _My "knowledge" about NAZIS and Germans in Argentina has a before and after Internet.

    Before Internet:

    When finished primary school we "school graduate" make a trip to Brazil or to south Argentina where snow fall...we vote. I wanted Brazil (sun, beaches, sanba and tangas...) nope... the winner was the city Bariloche in the south.
    After 1 and half days by bus we landed in an "alien" city for us...
    For Europeans is something like a minor city at the Alpen foot...full in snow and all sports related...and the construction too, dark brown wood (?)

    Another trip to other province (Carlos Paz, Cordoba, middle Argentina , again same "alien" housing constructions...(?) later learned "German colony"

    In general when I was in Argentina I don't knew nothing about your questions,it was wayyyyyy before my time, I knew only one family friend German origins, and he and his family produced and sold typical German sausages (I never knew a German restaurant...)

    After Internet:
    _Before WW2 the later president Juan Domingo Peron was as military attaché in Berlin, at that time Germany was seem as example for recovery and freeways...
    nobody knew the real propose ( for tanks...)
    _Shortly before the war I saw a video where the stadium Boca juniors. one of the 2 biggest foot ball clubs was full with 60.000 Nazis in support Germany...
    _I reed a reportage about a stranded submarine in south Argentina, it was circa begin 1930! the commandant was Canarys, later Almirant and chief from Hitler espionage...after stranded they mapped all the way from Atlantic cost until... Bariloche! this city was founded by Germans!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bariloche

    _In Bariloche there is a lake with an island in the middle where was the Argentina atom research...somehow Argentina and Brazil suspend together all atomic projects.
    _ Peron was the initiator from "the third way" "no alienados" country's that mean no pro soviet neither USA, and for that was pay with a putsch from Big Brother...
    and on and on...across decades...everybody knows USA "politic", with us or else...
    _No surprise Nazis escape to South America, they have colony's in Argentina, Chile
    Paraguay, Brazil and Bolivia.

    _Argentina was neutral in WW2 (good for business and espionage...) only at the end
    were against Germany.
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    "If you support Ukraine, do you support Ukrainian lives? New data shows that Ukrainian soldiers are defecting at astonishing rates because they are scared, untrained, and unsupported. Morale is at an all-time low, according to our Redacted correspondent."
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    Quote Posted by Vicus (here)
    _Before WW2 the later president Juan Domingo Peron was as military attaché in Berlin, at that time Germany was seem as example for recovery and freeways...
    nobody knew the real propose ( for tanks...)

    Okay. This is very close to something I think we should know.


    First of all, there is the semi-suppressed story of American Capitalist Fascism that nearly erupted in the 1933 Business Plot:


    ...prominent American elites and antisemites such as Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford.

    Butler referred to them as “the royal family of financiers” that had controlled the American Legion since its formation in 1919. He felt the Legion was a militaristic political force, notorious for its antisemitism and reactionary policies against labor unions and civil rights, that manipulated veterans.

    Butler demanded to know why the names of the country’s richest men were removed from the final version of the committee’s report. “Like most committees, it has slaughtered the little and allowed the big to escape,” Butler said in a Philadelphia radio interview in 1935. “The big shots weren’t even called to testify. They were all mentioned in the testimony. Why was all mention of these names suppressed from this testimony?”


    So, it has been reduced to hearsay and allegations..."nothing happened" officially, and "we don't really know"...except obviously something big was underway.

    There is no shortage of information about how primarily American and British finance and industry re-built Germany after World War I, scrapping and re-writing the war reparations from the Versailles Treaty, Dawes Plan, etc., and the amazing way in which this decimated country turned into a slick war machine quite rapidly.

    Same crew was doing the same stuff in South America.

    This is not exactly news or all that difficult to study. It is big, and there are a lot of details. But then it boils down to something fairly singular and simple, the formation of the United Nations and NATO, as we brought up last year in this
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    One of the main participants in creating the U. N. Charter was the pro-Soviet Alger Hiss:


    Hiss served as executive secretary of the Dumbarton Oaks Conference, which drew up plans for the future United Nations.


    For the U. N.:


    Franklin D. Roosevelt's original idea was designed to encompass American global power.

    "Stalin dropped opposition to the American version of the veto with a wave of his hand, dismissing it as an insignificant matter.... He was quite prepared to sacrifice any independent stake in the construction of the UN, clinging to the belief that veto powers would neutralize any danger from it.



    That is crucial. Stalin accepted the UN because of the veto, Khruschev asked to join NATO and stunned the audience to silence, and then we found that Kissinger and Helms *blocked* Clinton's 1990s proposal, which would have given Russia a veto influence on NATO expansions--they were relegated to think tanks and dialogues.



    The relationship from the military to the UN is such that:


    A few years later, Schlesinger documents, at a dinner with Rockefeller, Dulles said: "I owe you an apology. If you fellows hadn't done it, we might never have had NATO."


    This is because Rockefeller was bringing "Nazi Argentina" into the fold via Dumbarton Oaks:


    Schlesinger noted that although Nelson Rockefeller did not have an official role in the conference, he asked the FBI that he would be the one who passed reports to Stettinius. The FBI indeed passed all reports to Rockefeller. Schlesinger also explains how the UN logo was designed in a way to exclude Argentina for its friendship with Nazi Germany. Rockefeller insisted that Argentina, despite its pro-fascist government, must be allowed to join the UN. Rockefeller had the Latin American delegations on his side, a relationship that angered Nicolo Tucci, the head of the Bureau of Latin American Research in the US State Department, who resigned, declaring that ‘my bureau was supposed to undo the Nazi and Fascist propaganda in South America but Rockefeller is inviting the worst fascists and Nazis to Washington.

    While Washington was aiming at the creation of a world body, Rockefeller was pressuring the conference to accept the Chapultepec Pact:


    Therefore, the conference adopted a formal resolution called the Act of Chapultepec which proclaimed the principle of collective self-defense through regional pacts. This policy was adopted by the United Nations and Article 51 of the UN charter, which authorized regional security arrangements.



    In other words, this Latin American agreement was "transferred" to the U. N., and then that same principle is attributed with the foundation of NATO.


    That I what I suggest we focus on understanding--it is like our Bill of Rights was a kind of window-dressing propaganda so that our Constitution would be ratified quickly, without concern for the remaining issues. Similarly, anything we read about the UN is going to focus on "the horrors of World War II", the "struggle for world peace", and so on.

    It is not going to tell us about this insidious craftsmanship of how...it was specifically Argentina in this pivot position that was used to slip the security agreement into the San Francisco Conference of 1945, subsequently to NATO, and then to shut Russia out of what has happened to the EU countries in our time. It practically summarizes the whole twentieth century. An orchestrated manner of throwing independent countries into an "international order", primarily by British and American businessmen, who are Capitalist Fascists.

    Obviously, they were against the independent country of Germany and not its inner drivers, seeing as how Operation Paperclip basically rewarded the crew that millions of lives were lost in supposedly stopping.

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    CAPE TOWN, South Africa (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin wants to attend an economic summit in South Africa next month and the country is desperately trying to persuade him to stay away to avoid the legal and diplomatic fallout over his international arrest warrant, South Africa's deputy president said in an interview with a news website on Friday.

    As a signatory to the treaty establishing the International Criminal Court, South Africa is obliged to arrest Putin on an indictment the court issued against the Russian leader in March for war crimes involving the abduction of children from Ukraine.

    Moscow has dismissed the warrant. South African authorities are likely to breach the treaty and not arrest Putin, but some opposition parties, rights groups and legal activists have said he should be arrested and have threatened to do it themselves, raising security issues for the BRICS summit in Johannesburg.

    Having already decided not to condemn Russia over its invasion of Ukraine, South Africa faces the prospect of further straining relations with the West if it allows Putin to freely attend the summit of the BRICS emerging economies bloc of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

    Putin hasn't yet traveled to a country that is a signatory to the court treaty since the arrest warrant against him was issued.

    The Kremlin has not said that Putin will attend and the brief rebellion in Russia by the Wagner private military group appeared to make it unlikely he would travel after such a serious threat to his rule.

    But Russia does want Putin to attend alongside Chinese leader Xi Jinping and the other presidents, South Africa Deputy President Paul Mashatile said in the interview with News24, a top South African news outlet. All the leaders were invited to the summit before the indictment against Putin was issued, South Africa has said.

    “It’s a big dilemma for us. Of course, we cannot arrest him," Mashatile said. “It’s almost like you invite your friend to your house, and then arrest them. That’s why for us, his not coming is the best solution. The Russians are not happy, though. They want him to come."

    Mashatile was put in charge of finding a solution by South African President Cyril Ramaphosa. Russia has rejected the alternatives, which included moving the summit to China, holding a virtual summit or Russia being represented by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Mashatile said.

    Ramaphosa will now attempt to convince Putin not to travel to South Africa when they meet at the Russia-Africa summit in St. Petersburg at the end of this month, Mashatile said.

    “We’ve now decided to leave this matter with the president, who is talking to Putin,” Mashatile said. “The president is going to the Russia-Africa summit later this month, so they will continue to talk. We want to show him the challenges that we face because we are part of the Rome Statute and we can’t wiggle out of this.”

    South Africa has history on the issue after failing in 2015 to arrest then-Sudan President Omar al-Bashir on a visit to South Africa when he was wanted by the ICC tribunal for alleged war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.

    Allowing Putin to attend the BRICS meeting would put more pressure on South Africa's relations with the U.S. and its other important Western diplomatic and trade partners.

    U.S.-South Africa relationships are already under strain after the U.S. accused Africa's most developed country of providing weapons to Moscow for the war in Ukraine on a Russian cargo ship that visited South Africa's main naval base near Cape Town in December.

    South Africa has denied there was any weapons transaction but Ramaphosa has ordered an investigation into the visit of the Lady R ship, which is under U.S. sanctions for allegedly transporting weapons for Moscow.

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