From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis

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I wrote here, yesterday:

I genuinely don't yet know exactly what to make of this, but I'm compiling and carefully evaluating some evidence that seems to suggest that the global controllers may be preparing to leave the planet. Not as in exiling themselves, but as in leaving a ship that they believe will sink with no reasonable hope of salvage.

Remember: their personal sense of commitment is to protect (and manage/ control/ exploit) the human genome... not to take care of individuals, about which they care pretty much as a farmer cares for the fate of individual cows in a very large herd.

All that farmer wants is to stay in business. He doesn't feel compassion for any cows that suffer, are sick, or go to the slaughterhouse. That's not the game he's playing. His goal is completely different.

This scenario is not as ridiculous or as impossible as it sounds. I have half a dozen data points, each of which should be taken seriously, that might suggest this, and they all fit together. I'll say no more about this right now, because it's downright scary. I want to prepare some kind of presentation and then submit it for scrutiny and analysis... we're all in this together, folks.

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Posted by Whiskey_Mystic

Bill, this would make a fine new thread when you have your data collated for discussion.

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Done... here it is. :)


Here’s a list of bulletpoints:

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The interview with 'Dutch' on this page:
http://golden-rule.org/2012/04/24/ro...ws-the-whistle

Download the video here:
http://videos.videopress.com/AOFRod3...manwmv_dvd.mp4
or here:
http://projectavalon.net/resources/D...nterview_1.mp4 (595 Mb)

Two comments:

a) The interviewer is a new member of this forum. (Welcome!) (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/memb...TheGoldenRule1)

I would very much appreciate his contribution here.

b) 'Dutch' is not very articulate, and doesn’t know much. But, as they say, he knows what he saw and experienced. I’m convinced he’s telling the truth.

One job he said he had was physically loading supplies on to highly advanced, classified spacecraft, in a project to establish a base on the Moon which was to be a refuge for the world's elite.

Ignore his presentational/ conversational style and mannerisms (and some of his speculations)… and remember that one or two significant others have also stated that the Roswell visitors were time travelers, which I’ve been fairly convinced of for years. This was a major corroborating factor for me, as this is mentioned by very few other witnesses. More later about this.

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The second interview with 'Victor' — here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_C-wdlw (part 1)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aMVdaQox308 (part 2)

'Victor' described, with a great deal of authentic bitterness, how the elite were planning to leave the planet -- sometime before a catastrophic event that they expected to occur before 2017.

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‘Charles’ told me in his very first Skype call with me (1 August 2010) that the elite were planning to leave the planet — after turning it into a ‘toilet’ (his term).

He told me that he did not WANT to see the Earth turned into a toilet. (This is close to an exact quote, from memory and from my notes, which I need to check: they are archived offline.)

Regardless of any opinions about the complex series of events that subsequenty ensued, that first call (and the second one, 6 days later) are most likely to have contained accurate, credible, in-good-faith information.

Like “Dutch” above, Charles did not know that much, and did not CLAIM to know much — but he knew what he’d seen and experienced. I remain convinced that much of the information he shared, in good faith, in those initial contacts was valid.

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George Green — whom I know pretty well (I had dinner with him last night) — has never referred in any of his interviews or seminars to the elite preparing to leave the planet. I took the opportunity to ask him about this directly, and his answer was simply: “It’s possible”.

At the start of his April 2008 Camelot interview, which is really quite a good one, George does state, from first-hand conversation and contact, that the elite “have their tickets”: what he was told privately, by the then Governor of Colorado, was that the “tickets” were to a safe underground haven in the southern hemisphere.

Regardless of whether the tickets are to a long-stay underground city, or to a base on the moon — this is why there are so few high-level whistleblowers and defections: all the privileged insiders are concerned that if they violate protocol, then the ticket, for themselves and their family, will be voided.

I asked George about this again last night, and he confirmed that was 100% correct.

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Dan Burisch always talked about the existence of “An Ark on the Moon”. See http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/da...ript_2_en.html

He’s talking about Timeline 1 (most likely to be ours) and the catastrophic Timeline 2 (which we may have avoided).

Exact quote:

Dan: They actually move off from Earth first. The J-Rods, or the precursors to the J-Rods, stay on Earth for a great deal of time, well after 24,000 years from the time of the transition, 24,000 years from now. Because they were 24-or-so-thousand years ahead of us when they crashed in Roswell in 1947. Those were 24s. They stay. The Orions move off first to the place ... after the reestablishment of a society on the surface of the Earth ... technology is refurbished, etcetera....they move off to the place where the Ark is held.

Kerry: Which is where?

Dan: Our nearest body, the Moon.

Kerry: The Moon.

Dan: Where on it, I’m not going to say.

Kerry: OK. Well, this gets into...

Dan: Because of having to defend against the possibility of Timeline 1 transitioning over to Timeline 2 in a manner different than I’ve been told. And I’m not going to be the person who hands off the wrong information.

Kerry: So... OK, but you’re saying the Nordics are going to get off Earth if the catastrophe happens. Or regardless.

Dan: They leave after.

Kerry: After the catastrophe happens.

Dan: Presumably several thousand years after it happens, they leave.

Kerry: Several thousand years.

Dan: Yes, they move to the Moon.

Kerry: Oh. I was getting the impression you were talking about them going on space ships or something.

Dan [shaking head no] Not really. No. They move off to the Moon several thousand years later, via space craft. They get to the place where the Ark was held and that they re-establish a new community. From there they move to Mars. From Mars, out to Orion.

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Henry Deacon always stated that the secret space program should never be compromised, “because the future of the human race may depend on it”. Kerry and I vividly remember one conversation, in December 2008, in which Henry became really quite upset and insistent about this.

In separate conversations (over many, many hours in a number of meetings), he described and confirmed how there was a horrific tangle of inter-braided timelines, each time the efforts (by ETs, future humans and ourselves) compounding the problems and making matters more complicated.

He told us that none of these problems had yet been resolved. He said that these timeline problems also reached way back into human history and “involved our ancestors”.

He told me that there were FOUR main timelines that he was aware of (not just Dan Burisch’s two) — one of which was truly catastrophic and resulted in a version of Earth six thousand years into the future which was pretty much barren and devoid of life.

Henry had also confirmed that the Roswell visitors were time traveling future humans (see http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html). He was adamant about this, and stated that this came from briefings he had read and/or attended. The only difference between his account and Dan Burisch’s (Dan had said almost exactly the same thing) was that Dan said the Roswell visitors were from 24,000 years in the future, and Henry, while not being certain, had said that he had thought they were a little earlier.

Dan and Henry had never met or communicated, and when we first met Henry he had never heard of Dan at all. These corroborations were always extremely significant for Kerry and myself.

And now we have “Dutch’s” testimony…. see above.

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Finally, here are a couple of kickers, which are as unsavory as it gets. I present these as points to be considered by those with the stomach for what Einstein called a “thought experiment”.

a) One explanation for the elite simply ALLOWING the planet, and its marvelous, balanced, indescribably complex and sophisticated ecosystem, to be trashed, may well be that they no longer care as they plan to leave it anyway. It makes a terrible kind of sense. Rather like someone intending to move house, and allowing their original home to fall down around them. Why bother with repairs?

b) The most horrific scenario of all: the abandonment of Planet Earth may be the ultimate mass human sacrifice to their demonic “gods”.

In summary — the above has to be considered in the light of how David Wilcock excellently put it (in our first Futuretalk in March 2008):

“The Illuminati believe that God is absent. If God was present, he would have stopped them. But he has NOT stopped them — therefore they do not believe he exists. So in his absence, they will step into God’s shoes.” (My paraphrase from memory.)

This matches exactly with Peter Weyland’s fictional and impressive oratory in TED 2023: “We are the gods now.”

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kFix7xIwrQg

This also is in exact alignment with what ‘Charles’ stated so clearly to me on both 1 and 6 August 2010: that the “experimenters” (the ET bioengineers who created the human race) would not interfere with whatever ensued in their experiment — and now that the human controllers, who had been kind of entrusted with the management of the planet on the experimenters’ behalf, had accidentally got hold of ET technology (from the time-traveling humans who were trying to reach back in time to assist but who instead had crashed and become stranded here — something that was never intended), they were now in a position to break out of the experimental zone, realizing that they would not be stopped.

‘Charles’ said that from the ETs point of view, the experiment had gone seriously wrong — but whatever happened, they would not intervene, and would watch it all play out.

The way they MAY be able to intervene, without breaking cosmic protocol, is by incarnating as their experimental subjects -- i.e. us. If you reading this, are moved and struck by this thread and these powerful and disturbing concepts, you yourself may be one of those incarnated here specifically to change what's going on.. from the inside. From outside, it may not be possible.

I genuinely welcome all intelligent and informed critiques of the above.

Well, first off, I have to pull out anything Charles has said as unreliable. As I have said before, if you are listening to a known liar and trying to discern what is lies and what is truth, then you have entered into their web and are in their control to further whatever their own agenda is. It is hard enough figuring out how the puzzle pieces fit together when we are dealing with ethical people of good character and intention.

I am digging into the rest of this.

I hope everyone digests all this and we can have a good old fashioned Avalon style brainstorm together. Om nom nom.

Thanks Bill this also reminds me of something possibly connected to the crop circle phenomenon....

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Another view which is also very interresting for me is Ions Explaination....Its been suggested by
Bob recently that Ion is some form of AI intelligence able to access our reality now we have
reached the digital age.Which is far to complex to go into here if you have not followed the info.....

One of the main concepts Ion has concistently said is there is no such thing as time just one gigantic Now....

When asked about crop circles his answer which is well worth a listen is they are made by humans several
thousand years in the future from our perspective which also reminds me of the original Dan Burish material
with the two types of future us from different times of the greater now.

Also the explanation of how the physical nodes in the crop react is a unique explaination......
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iON: Crop circles are the nodes of the phytoplankton in the plants that respond a certain way, which makes
them have a certain vibrational frequency, which they lay down, because they don't crush the field, they
actually grow to the ground. It changes the way they lay. [url]www.howionic.com[url]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bDk4yfvi5oY

Now non of this is clear evidence, but its deffinately part of the bigger picture imho!!

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...LYMAIL-ON-LINE..

I posted this earlier... Steve....

Thanks Bill, I will anxiously delve into this during the weekend. I appreciate you're input and look forward to investigating your discoveries.

well, for some reason, even though ive read intently what you posted bill,
i'm not as enthusiastic to take on the accounts of others as fact.
especially a name or two in there which i dont know.

that said, it does resonate.

in the same way it did when i got into it last time.

true knowledge unifies..... simplifies things.

i believe that they believe they are gods.
i reckon they have been going at it like there's 'no tommorow' for about a decade now.
i accept that they use the absentee god justification
(even though your mum and dad arent there all the time, it doesnt mean they dont exist!)

i accept they have spaceships.
(i so very much want one)

i accept that mars is directly connected

to a point, i have no resistance to the idea of a massive experiment
but in all that, there are enough counter questions to stop the idea falling in of its own accord.
and its probably a bit complacent, but theres not enough immediate relevence for me to look further into it.

i spose a closing question would be

there's a difference between letting a place fall into disrepair
and actively going about smashing it up.
stuff like chemtrails are ongoing programs,
so when they stop the ongoing stuff....
it might be because they see no value in it.

at that point i would be watching for 'the big one'

if they know its coming to an end, and the have a way off.....
why keep up the subtlety?

I am able to intervene and I should do so on the small community that I live and I will re-learn how to use my inner abilities. I stopped playing their game. (rat race)

I don't need to or try to be on gods shoes like they do, nor do I have the economic power that they have, but I have myself and you have yourself.

Get up stand up and stand up for what's right.

In here we can do all the talking but at home you can only act and lead by example, lets change what doesn't work.

If earth crumbles by natural disasters or universal disasters then there is nothing that we can do but enjoy our short life here and do what is right.

Hey everyone, I am the aforementioned new user who did the Dutch interview. I don't have anything to contribute to Bill's hypothesis at this time, but I did do a different (and shorter) interview which focuses strictly on the things he witnessed. This will probably help flesh out whether you think he's being honest or not.

http://golden-rule.org/2012/05/22/an...rt-technology/

From Terrance McKenna https://youtube.com/watch?v=KIfup...ure=plpp_video

An interesting thought around the 40 minute mark, but the whole thing is worth watching. Basically we are the timeline where things went to ****. I had not considered this before but it is starting to make sense to me. What if we have been on Timeline 2 this entire time and what we are really doing is fighting to get back to timeline 1. Considering what has happened on this planet over the last several thousands years this concept seems like it could be correct. After having read The Master Game by Graham Hancock(which everybody should read), I am starting to think that Christ might have been the key fracturing point in the timelines. The catholic church has fought this battle very intensely, see all the burning of any Gnostic ideas and people who don't generally buy the dogma they sell.

What if 2012 could not be seen beyond, project looking glass and remote viewers, because the timelines merge again and the elite are trying to get off planet because they know this will happen. Turning the planet to a toilet is a final finger in the eye after having lost?

Just a few random ideas that I have been having.

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Terrance also talks about how the some of the visitors are from the other timeline and that they are interested in Nuclear tech because it has effects that transcend timelines.

This isn't hard to believe at all. It's really just one variation of what Bill Wood/Brockbader and others refer to as Timeline 1 -or whichever timeline it was where everything is destroyed and/or there's global tyranny. To be honest, I feel it's less important right now what TPTB are planning than what we are going to do.

Whatever they are planning, we know it's not very nice or in our best interest. At the very best, it's maintaining the status quo, which is bad enough. Given the way things are going, though, the status quo would not appear to be sustainable for much longer for economic, political and environmental reasons. So that leaves possibilities like wiping out large percentages of the population, a global dictatorship or some similar dystopian scenario. Whether they plan to rule us, kill us all or escape to another planet is almost a minor detail, as any of these possibilities mean a world not worth living in anyway.

At the risk of using a word associated with traditional religions, I think we have to have a certain amount of faith. Not necessarily in any specific event or outcome (positive ETs, mass arrests, Jesus returning, etc.) but in the ultimate benevolence of the universe or All That Is. If this isn't valid, then we have no chance no matter what. If it is, then there will be a way to overcome whatever plans they have in store for us. Or, if the whole thing has to be destroyed, we may just have to wait for the next cycle and do better next time :)

I have said this before, but I think many people just have too much respect for TPTB. I just don't see them as being all that smart or competent. I suspect that whatever plans they might have will ultimately fail and have unintended consequences. It makes me think of the end of The Lord of the Rings, where the ring ended up being destroyed not by any particularly brilliant or brave plan but seemingly by accident.

Excellent. Points of extreme interest:

1) the existence of demons
2) the reality of continuous incarnation
3) ET genetic engineering
4) time-travel
5) the existence of negative ETs but not necessarily positive ETs
6) Catastrophic Earth and `other`potential timelines

The implications of what you`ve stated here are staggering, Bill. It does make sense and it is the only explanation for why the Elite would trash the world without regard. Why they would consolidate and further reinforce the control system to the point of mass genocide.

I appreciate the not-so-sub-text of your statement primarily for its recognition of the extra-sensory potentialities, here most directly stated in relation to the negative entities and energetic presences that have controlled the Earth since time immemorial.

The sheer overwhelming nature of the evil to which you refer seems to be without counter at the galactic level, as the ETs are conducting an experiment and allowing things to play out according to the whims of the currently Earth-bound elite who may not be so bound shortly.

Considering the nature of the threat and the innate potentiality of humanity to manifest psychic and extra-sensory abilities do you see the possibility of earth-bound humans being able to effectively come up with some collective strategy in order to negate these seemingly inevitable trends?

Is it all TRULY so hopeless as it seems? Are we relegated only to responding belatedly, if at all, and surviving the quenching solar storm that may be on the near-horizon?

Personal experiences of Gnosis that many in this forum have had and in-depth spiritual explorations that seem to be ingrained within the human capacity to perceive and direct experience seem to indicate an individual and collective ability to transcend environmental limitations, to communicate with each other - as well as the Angelic and the Demonic Hierarchies - at levels beyond the mundane.

Is it possible that an `Event` that cannot be forecast scientifically but has been forecast spiritually - and mythologically - for many thousands of years can indeed occur to offset the plans of the Elite? I repeat, is it all TRULY so hopeless as it seems?

We are 50 light years above the Galactic Equator. A space Sol-System has not visited for many millions of years. NASA scientists have posited that we have entered into a realm of space more exposed to `space weather`than the regions we have previously been ensconced within. We are also being bombarded with cosmic energy at a higher rate that is leading to mutations (cancerous mostly, according to the scientific establishment, but other types of mutations are also possible), and that most definitely leads to individual and collective emotional shifts (also quite possible since electromagnetic energy has long been known to affect emotions) that correspond to the current instabilities that we see occurring all around the world and within each of us as well.

A strong OP with some undeniable situations, according to information many of us should be aware of, at least in theory. I wonder though, if things will work out as the Elite have `foreseen` and if the timelines that the time travelers have forcast are the only viable potentialities.

Well, personally I've gotten to a point where there are so many conflicting stories from so many sources that I've given up on trying to unravel which of them are true to what extent. If it turns out I'm on a timeline where mass arrests of those within the cabal occur, fine. I'll believe it when I see it and I'll deal with whatever the consequences of it are when they get here. If it turns out I'm on a timeline where a galactic super-wave causes our sun to expand and/or otherwise incinerate the planet- I won't say so much, fine as what the hell can I do about it? "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." Seems like a pretty good philosophy to me at the moment. I'm living it one day at a time and doing the best I can with what I've got to work with. If anybody has a better idea, I'm open to suggestions.

This should be a very interresting thread, but i have to leave you for now as I have a appointment with some work mates in the Pub !!

Whatever happens with all this, whether its true or not remember we are all " Eternal Beings" and do not be frightened by this infomation

as fear is the way TPTB have been controlling us !!!....
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A great way to take a clear look at reality, is to think of everything as being on different areas of the spiral of creation. The greatest power requires the lightest touch, and the spiral is a wonderful sacred geometric shape that visually confirms accessing different parts of creation, vibration and leverage.

Many powerful messages are contained within symbols, and here is a photo of a crop circle that seems to have summarized my spiral point perfectly.

http://onenessreality.files.wordpres..._001.png?w=490

These symbols hit us straight where to our core, where the essence of who we are, as eternal unlimited beings lies. By following the spiral, as deep and as centered as it goes, we come to the heart, the very vibration of god, all-that-is, all of creation itself. We see with the eyes, taste and hear with the ears of all-that-is. We reclaim our wizadry, and sacred knowledge of creating miracles, just as myths, religions and creation stories of old told us through the ages.

See at the centre of the spiral, as it keeps going to the core centre of each issue, leveraging its way past the created and flying straight into the heart of the creator. We can simply choose, with ease, to allow the truth of being all-that-is to be miraculously certain, perfect, and of the highest knowing vibration of trust within us. We can then start to feel the pleasure and ecstasy, that comes with realizing our power and that we are i control of our beliefs and definitions, perfectly and effortlessly, without even conscious interference in most cases! What is that you say? YES, we create reality and this magic to perfection of what we put out as true, just like a giant mirror in front of us 24 hours a day, 7 days a week!

Something I came across earlier ...Cheers Steve....

Hi Bill !
A cupple a years ago I was a moderator on a Swedish forum and a man logged in as a member.
He was talking in strange tones and had private diskussions with me and I asked a lot of questions.
He wanted me to come with him, to this other planet and that he would be leaving earth in a cupple of years.
He told me about his house that was special as it was a portal of some sort, he had deigned it him self. And that he was moving now and was to sell the house. I checkt him out, as he could interfere with my energy and astral body. And found the house and some information about him.

He keept calling me EVE and said that they was to leave in 2012 !
He wanted me to be his female and he did not care much about me having a male allready.

But yes they ( cant say who they are, but they are advased beings) are leaving and it has been planned so.
We have all reasons to be conserned.

/ Maria

The simple fact the elite have invested billions of dollars in creating a global surveillance grid, and have spent just as much money trying to create a one world government designed to eradicate all dissenting opinion seems like a long term strategy. The 100% verifiable evidence of what companies and projects they have put their resources into suggests that they intend to create a total control slave state with themselves as the masters. I would be willing to wager they have contingency plans if things dont go their way, and a exit strategy may be one of them, but i think they intend to be here a long time.

It's no fun being evil if you dont have anyone around to oppress.

Maybe the elites are planning to leave the planet because their "sheep" (us, the masses) are awakening. They would no longer have control or the upper hand. Maybe this is good news?

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Posted by Bill Ryan

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The way they MAY be able to intervene, without breaking cosmic protocol, is by incarnating as their experimental subjects -- i.e. us. If you reading this, are moved and struck by this thread and these powerful and disturbing concepts, you yourself may be one of those incarnated here specifically to change what's going on.. from the inside. From outside, it may not be possible.

I genuinely welcome all intelligent and informed critiques of the above.

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I would like to add a hypothesis to this conversation based on what you have said at the end of this post. Let me start by saying most of my life I have not really felt like I was really “like everyone else”. I have seemed to have very extraordinary experiences that no one else seems to have and on multiple occasions I have been told by various psychics, always in the exact same words, “you aren’t like the rest of us”.

I start with explaining this so that you will understand the reason for what I have intuitively been feeling is taking place on this planet. I would also add that over the last year my dream time has been increasing about themes where I feel that the time is coming for me to know who I really am and that I have a “mission” of sorts. Very recently I was told during an astral flying type dream that I must stay “deep cover” for a short time more. ( There is a part of me almost not wanting to post this feeling that I may be compromising something by revealing even this.) Then recently in a very synchronistic way I came to read the recent book by Delores Cannon, which I highly recommend, “The Three Waves of Volunteers and The New Earth”. In this book she describes that the earth will be evolving into two earths. One will go on to a higher dimension. The other will be much like the worst case scenario time line.

Could it be that these elite are going off planet to wait out “the event”. Knowing that they are not vibrationally able to go with the 5th dimensional earth. So they will go off planet to wait out the results and see if they are able to even return to the other timeline earth. My intuition tells me that they were hoping to vibrationally change earth so that this shift could be prevented from taking place and that they now are aware that it will not be possible. So they have to step back and wait to see the outcome to then decide their next move. I believe that the “toileting” of the planet and that the genetically mutating of human genes was the attempt to prevent the shift and that now they realize that it is not possible. So now just like a bunch of vultures they are going to sit back and wait for the “big event” to see if there will be anything left that they will be able sweep back in and feed on.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=T-igAtljJiY

So to put this in perspective with all the hoopla of the elites being rounded up and jailed... just a spin for them going underground or off world? avoiding the kill shot?

lol... seeing them disappear would normally be a good thing... but in this new context... enjoy that glass of wine and take a good look around, it might be your last.

... anyway thanks Bill for a very good compilation of information.

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Posted by Cidersomerset

" the spiral is a wonderful sacred geometric shape that visually confirms accessing different parts of creation, vibration and leverage.

Many powerful messages are contained within symbols, and here is a photo of a crop circle that seems to have summarized my spiral point perfectly.

http://onenessreality.files.wordpres..._001.png?w=490

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This may also be a crop circle showing the two earths after the vibrational shift.

Is the Ultimate Hypothesis, the Ultimate truth?

Tony

Can they please leave the planet already! We can take care of it no matter the circumstances.

A poem popped in in my mind while reading your hypothesis bill.

"What in the world will we do without barbarians?"
http://www.cavafy.com/poems/content.asp?id=293&cat=1

I'm afraid we are so much addicted to oppression, that we won't know what to do with our freedom, once they are gone. I still prefer that risk though.