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A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel. Remarkably, no one died.
No, seriously. There’s a Supreme Court Judge in Israel who's a Muslim. Who knew, eh?
With all its flaws, as it chugs along its evolutionary timeline, our Western superpowers have carved out public space that vehemently renounces oppressive regimes that use barbaric methods for subjugation and control over their citizens. Throw a stone at someone because you can’t master the art of verbal combat, and you’ll be vastly unpopular.
We live in countries that not only need championing—as we grind away voting this way and that way for policies to make life fair, opportunistic, and comfortable—they also need our support. Especially when there are pesky locations on the globe where lunatic terrorists still believe the optimal reason to be alive is to worship brutal dictators. Even more annoying is that they believe our sole purpose for optimal living is to chant adoration to them in our streets before bending over backwards to have them shaft us on our turf. You know, like Iran.
We have space where we’re free, yep free, to debate religions, propaganda, conspiracy theories, the Great Reset, who the bad guys were a million years ago, who the global controllers are today, Bigfoot, aliens, angels and demons, utopia, men-women and women-men, meat vs flowers, Netflix vs Hulu, conspiracy theories, and… did I say conspiracy theories? Point being, we can. And we will continue to do so as long as we put our Western democracies front and centre at the end of each day. But for many, that’s currently not happening.
It's unrealistic to expect people to be invested in all the conspiracy and propaganda schtick flooding our screens, so analysis has to boil down to a sense of logic when picking a side on issues that directly impact how we collectively move forward. I believe we’re at one of those junctures.
Regardless of religious belief, control over turf, who’s really in charge, or any of the other complex rabbit holes we like to shimmy down, the situation with Israel and Iran is a fight for our Western value system. It can’t be any clearer. Terrorist regime vs democracy. Hmm, what side to pick?
If I were to be a prisoner of war, would I prefer imprisonment by Islamic extremists—aka Iran and their proxies Hamas, Hezbollah, and the like—or by one of the most democratic countries in the world, Israel? Which brings me to the purpose of this thread.
We can get pissed off as much as we like with how our governments are failing in certain areas. Damn fools. Why haven’t they fixed everything yet? But when push comes to shove and another country is-not-joking-about-wanting-to-kill-us-because-we-won’t-bend-the-knee-to-their-retarded-belief-system, and we go and choose them over our own, well damn… that’s just cutting ya nose off to spite your face.
I could list a ton of links from intelligent journalists, researchers, analysts, refugees from terrorist oppression, etc, to provide solid ground to counter the argument that Israel and America—and now Australia, which recently supported America’s attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities—are the bad guys in this situation, and no doubt we’ll get to all that.
In the meantime, Avalon always had a distinguished reputation for sustaining a space where left, right, up, down, or sideways in a debate was accommodated respectfully. And as much as I hate having to say this—with what appears to be a strong leaning toward support for Hamas and Iran on the forum—I’m hoping this merit will apply here.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
I struggle with nausea contemplating that over 90 per cent of girls in Somalia have had painful removal of their clitoris, without anaesthetic, at the age of 5.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/02/1111242
Ayaan Hirsi Ali was one of those girls, but her nightmare was far from over. After receiving political asylum in the Netherlands, Ayaan to this day is a courageous vocal critic of Islamic Fundamentalism, but she will have to live the rest of her life looking over her shoulder. Sadly, Theo Van Gogh, with whom Ayaan collaborated on a film revealing the horrors of living under repression, can no longer look over his shoulder. He was murdered by an Islamist in 2004.
With an infinity of propaganda, nonsense, and opinionated drivel to sift through to find voices of reason marinating in truths, I like to add cultural experiencers to my list. Especially when issues I’ve decided to pay attention to are predominantly in other countries. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of those voices, and I’m appreciative of her fairly recent Courage Media platform.
There’s an article Ayaan wrote ten days ago that impresses me whenever I read it. This is not another piece rolling off the keyboard of a paid shill, or a critic that is so removed from what’s truly going on that their words dissolve in insipidness. Ayaan is writing from experience and with passion, and with a bravery few people are called upon for, and yet Ayaan offers her bravery up voluntarily for the good of humanity.
I’ll put the article up in my next post.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
https://courage.media/2025/06/13/why...ime-must-fall/
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As I write this, Israeli fighter jets are striking Iranian nuclear sites. President Trump confirmed he was briefed on the strike in advance, and has vowed to stand firmly with Israel. Thank God. Because when Prime Minister Netanyahu calls Iran “a threat to Israel’s survival,” he’s not exaggerating. He’s stating the truth.
The headlines will focus on military strategy, and the pundits will debate escalation. But we should ask a different question: What kind of world would emerge if the Islamic Republic finally fell? The regime in Tehran is not just Israel’s enemy. It is the enemy of every person who believes in human dignity. For over four decades, this theocracy has perfected the art of oppression. It has transformed a once-proud civilization into a repressive state where women are punished for showing their hair, where protesters vanish into dungeons, and where the government finances terror across three continents. Meanwhile, its own citizens struggle to buy bread.
The Iranian people have been sending us messages for years. They wrote them in blood during the Green Revolution, when millions poured into the streets demanding, “Where is my vote?” The regime’s answer came in the form of batons and bullets. Neda Agha-Soltan was just 26 when a government sniper shot her in the heart during a protest. Her murder revealed the true face of a regime so terrified of losing control that it would rather kill its own people than listen to them. But Iranians refused to stay quiet. Thirteen years later, the people rose again. This time for Mahsa Amini, a young woman who died in police custody. Her crime? A few strands of hair showing beneath her hijab. For this, she was arrested. For this, she was beaten. For this, she died. The 22-year-old’s death demanded an answer. “Woman, Life, Freedom” rang out from Tehran’s universities to the Kurdish mountains where she grew up. What began as mourning became defiance. What started as protests became revolution, the largest uprising the Islamic Republic had ever faced. Iranian women didn’t just march. They tore off their headscarves and burned them in the streets. They danced around the flames while police sirens wailed. They knew the cost. These heroic women paid it willingly.
The regime responded with predictable savagery. Over 500 protesters were killed, including children whose only crime was demanding basic rights. Thousands more disappeared into the regime’s prisons. Yet throughout the bloodshed, the West persisted with cautious diplomacy—issuing statements and holding meetings, but steering clear of real confrontation. In doing so, it continued to legitimize a regime that thrives on repression. This must stop.
The Islamic Republic represents more than a regional threat. It poses a direct challenge to the principle that people deserve freedom. This regime systematically exports violence and extremism across the globe. In Gaza, for instance, it bankrolls Hamas terrorists who use Palestinian children as human shields while diverting aid money to build attack tunnels. In Lebanon, it has transformed Hezbollah from a militia into the country’s true power, turning a once-prosperous nation into a failed state. In Yemen, it arms Houthi rebels who have created one of the world’s worst humanitarian disasters while launching missiles at civilian shipping.
Every attack by these proxy forces advances Tehran’s central strategy. The regime doesn’t seek regional influence through diplomacy or economic partnership. It builds power through violence and intimidation. Every rocket fired at Israeli civilians, and every bomb that destroys a Lebanese neighborhood serves this larger plan of control through terror. And now they race toward nuclear weapons.
But the mullahs are not Iran—they are its captors. We know because we have seen glimpses of the real Iran, the nation that built poetry into its soul long before Islam arrived. The Iran that gave birth to some of history’s greatest scholars and artists still lives beneath the surface. The Iran where women once walked freely in universities and laboratories waits to emerge again. A free Iran would transform the Middle East overnight. The funding would dry up for Hamas and Hezbollah. The proxy wars would lose their puppet master.
The nuclear threat would evaporate along with the regime that promised to wipe Israel off the map. Lebanon could finally breathe. The region could finally imagine a future beyond endless conflict.
But the impact would reach far beyond the Middle East. The fall of the Islamic Republic would send a message to every theocrat and dictator on earth. It would prove that even the most entrenched tyranny can be defeated. It would remind oppressed peoples everywhere that freedom is possible.
The West has a choice to make. We can continue to legitimize this regime through diplomacy and half-measures, or we can stand with the Iranian people who have been fighting for their freedom at tremendous cost. This is not about regime change imposed from outside. This is about supporting regime change demanded from within. The Iranian people have been asking for our help for years—not our military intervention, but our moral support. Not our invasion but our recognition that they, not their oppressors, represent the true face of Iran. The Islamic Republic will fall eventually. History is on the side of freedom. The only question is whether we will be on the right side when it happens.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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Terrorist regime vs democracy. Hmm, what side to pick?
I have been thinking about this issue for some time. I have also been dabbling in the Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War and the WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia threads with some trepidation. I am apprehensive about expressing my perspective because my primary concern is not aligned with any particular nation—not Iran, Israel, Ukraine, or Russia—but with the pursuit of peace. My apprehension stems from the fact that most individuals are deeply and emotionally invested in these conflicts, most everyone being aligned with a specific side. I believe that, as a species, we should always prioritize our emotional investment in peace rather than war. Instead of taking sides or assigning blame, we should advocate for peace. To do this would bring about healing and unity.
When we are standing on the sidelines, rooting for one team or the other, we are encouraging more death, more pain, and more destruction. As third-party participants, we should be rooting for peace at any cost. The world should collectively ostracize any leader who considers war as a means of solving perceived problems.
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War is the tool of the globalist, war will cause borders to fall, cultural differences to dissappear and it will allow one world government to rise. It is inevitable.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
It seems there are many people that can see the good essence of people in all parts of the world. Each nation may have beauty and freedom and show care for one another, while there also exists great fear and coered manipulation, trauma, hijacked systems, like religions, even our care for the environment has been weaponised within our own systems as well switch and bait with our choices made including our medical and education systems.
Why are we only given such few choices that get narrower and more controlled every year and further away from what we really want. Is there only war or peace, or other ways to change the world so informed decisions on a persoal level are the norm? Are people's fears and outrage at treatment of our fellow human beings used as levers to move us towards a bigger agenda that will trap people in a world with even less choices in our policies, our systems and freedoms. This could be problem, reaction solution, but the solution may not benefit the good people of the world. This really upsets me on so many levels. No I don't want innocent people to suffer, and no I don't want the false controlleres in the world to get away with or continue to cause others to sufffer. Somehow it seems set up as war is the only choice, I just don't know all the facts behind what happens as we are not privy to those details.:heart:
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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Posted by
Gemma13
Terrorist regime vs democracy. Hmm, what side to pick?
I have been thinking about this issue for some time. I have also been dabbling in the Israel vs
Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War and the
WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia threads with some trepidation. I am apprehensive about expressing my perspective because my primary concern is not aligned with any particular nation—not Iran, Israel, Ukraine, or Russia—but with the pursuit of peace. My apprehension stems from the fact that most individuals are deeply and emotionally invested in these conflicts, most everyone being aligned with a specific side. I believe that, as a species, we should always prioritize our emotional investment in peace rather than war. Instead of taking sides or assigning blame, we should advocate for peace. To do this would bring about healing and unity.
When we are standing on the sidelines, rooting for one team or the other, we are encouraging more death, more pain, and more destruction. As third-party participants, we should be rooting for peace at any cost. The world should collectively ostracize any leader who considers war as a means of solving perceived problems.
Totally agree and we're fortunate laws have been established to support peaceful negotiations.
The prickle though is rooting for peace at any cost. Your words, and I agree again.
But that, at any cost - when diplomacy and words and earnest pleas for peace are repeatedly ignored by a regime hell bent on inflicting evil atrocities - now demands muscle, whether we like it or not.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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rgray222
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Posted by
Gemma13
Terrorist regime vs democracy. Hmm, what side to pick?
I have been thinking about this issue for some time. I have also been dabbling in the Israel vs
Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War and the
WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia threads with some trepidation. I am apprehensive about expressing my perspective because my primary concern is not aligned with any particular nation—not Iran, Israel, Ukraine, or Russia—but with the pursuit of peace. My apprehension stems from the fact that most individuals are deeply and emotionally invested in these conflicts, most everyone being aligned with a specific side. I believe that, as a species, we should always prioritize our emotional investment in peace rather than war. Instead of taking sides or assigning blame, we should advocate for peace. To do this would bring about healing and unity.
When we are standing on the sidelines, rooting for one team or the other, we are encouraging more death, more pain, and more destruction. As third-party participants, we should be rooting for peace at any cost. The world should collectively ostracize any leader who considers war as a means of solving perceived problems.
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War is the tool of the globalist, war will cause borders to fall, cultural differences to dissappear and it will allow one world government to rise. It is inevitable.
I can empathize with this, particularly your point on everyone taking sides in these conflicts. It's perfectly okay to have an opinion, but too often opinions are offered up as dogmatic certainties, with the opiners assuming the mantle of moral arbiter..wagging their finger at everyone and demanding allegiance to their view (and if you won't comply you're a fascist, zionist, or some other obnoxious 'ist')
I don't begrudge anyone taking sides, but what I deeply resent is unhinged virtue-signalers demanding I take their side. When done publicly it amounts to something like a Maoist struggle session.
I found myself on the back foot for a while on this Gaza issue, and then I just had something of a revelation about it all..and it went something like this: I hardly give a f#ck about any of this and I'm done pretending I do out of some kind of allegiance to propriety. And I'm telling you, I've felt light as a feather ever since. It's the same kind of feeling I got when I finally decided I wasn't going to pretend to care about "systemic racism" or "white privilege" or "xenophobia" anymore. In other words, I wasn't going to act anymore. And when I look around now at the world, that's what I mostly see - lots of actors, trying to weaponize my kindness for their narcissistic needs.
As far as the latest activity now with Iran and so forth...
I'll start with this: I'm glad I'm on the winning team. I'm pleased to be an American. We could have sent our boy scouts in there and won easily, and I'm proud of that. There's a reason we're the most powerful nation on earth; it's not an accident. It's because a Judeo-Christian, capitalistic, representative democracy, emphasizing enlightenment and classical liberal values, fortified by a Constitution that ensures free speech and personal liberty for all, will always produce not just the most powerful country in the world but the best country, by almost every metric, 1 million times out of a million. Yep, I said it - we're better than everyone else.
So as far as teams go, I'm on team America. Even if I wasn't lucky enough to have been born here, I would have done my best to get here and become a naturalized citizen.
But here's the thing: everyone can quickly be just as good if they'd copy and paste our approach. Just legislate free speech and you'll already be halfway there! I'm not claiming Americans are innately better, we just have the best system (and the best president, thank God) because we were blessed with brilliant and courageous founders, who created brilliant and courageous documents that - while certainly imperfect - are currently the best ever created.
And this ties in with the thread I think (I hope). Regardless of the details of this conflict or that one, it's western values that are at stake whenever a western country and an Islamic country collide. And Israel, for all intents and purposes, is a western country. So naturally I'm far more invested in their success than Iran's or Palestine's. I prioritize all this over any kind of hypothetical zionism.
When I look around the world, I very clearly see a Muslim invasion occurring, not a zionist one. Call it a "soft invasion" if you must, but this unchecked and illegal immigration is an undeniable invasion. Western values are being used against western values in a way, and so we're foolishly tolerating intolerance, and congratulating ourselves on perpetuating the fiction that not only are all cultures equal but that they can all exist harmoniously in the same space without any kind of undergirding value structure. Thank God Trump has stopped all that sh!t here, but the U.K. is nearly at the point of no return. Ditto Germany and Canada. France too. Everywhere, all over the world. It's a disaster.
So I'm on team America and team western values at the end of the day. I want peace just as much as anyone, but I believe these values represent the quickest way of achieving it.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
I prefer to be on the side that cares about the least among us. The innocents below, are the least among us.
If you care about starving and abused animals on DoDo videos, you should care about human children, like these Gazans, forced to endure this kind of Hell.
Enough spiritual bypassing. Being human is about feeling all emotions, not just "positive" ones. And without justice, there can be no peace, let alone love.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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I prefer to be on the side that cares about the least among us. The innocents below, are the least among us.
If you care about starving and abused animals on DoDo videos, you should care about human children, like these Gazans, forced to endure this kind of Hell.
Enough spiritual bypassing. Being human is about feeling all emotions, not just "positive" ones. And without justice, there can be no peace, let alone love.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2
I care about the starving American children. That's where all my caring energy goes.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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Mike
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rgray222
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Gemma13
Terrorist regime vs democracy. Hmm, what side to pick?
I have been thinking about this issue for some time. I have also been dabbling in the Israel vs
Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War and the
WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia threads with some trepidation. I am apprehensive about expressing my perspective because my primary concern is not aligned with any particular nation—not Iran, Israel, Ukraine, or Russia—but with the pursuit of peace. My apprehension stems from the fact that most individuals are deeply and emotionally invested in these conflicts, most everyone being aligned with a specific side. I believe that, as a species, we should always prioritize our emotional investment in peace rather than war. Instead of taking sides or assigning blame, we should advocate for peace. To do this would bring about healing and unity.
When we are standing on the sidelines, rooting for one team or the other, we are encouraging more death, more pain, and more destruction. As third-party participants, we should be rooting for peace at any cost. The world should collectively ostracize any leader who considers war as a means of solving perceived problems.
Edit
War is the tool of the globalist, war will cause borders to fall, cultural differences to dissappear and it will allow one world government to rise. It is inevitable.
I can empathize with this, particularly your point on everyone taking sides in these conflicts. It's perfectly okay to have an opinion, but too often opinions are offered up as dogmatic certainties, with the opiners assuming the mantle of moral arbiter..wagging their finger at everyone and demanding allegiance to their view (and if you won't comply you're a fascist, zionist, or some other obnoxious 'ist')
I don't begrudge anyone taking sides, but what I deeply resent is unhinged virtue-signalers
demanding we take their side. When done publicly it amounts to something like a Maoist struggle session.
I found myself on the back foot for a while on this Gaza issue, and then I just had something of a revelation about it all..and it went something like this: I hardly give a f#ck about any of this and I'm done pretending I do out of some kind of allegiance to propriety. And I'm telling you, I've felt light as a feather ever since. It's the same kind of feeling I got when I finally decided I wasn't going to pretend to care about "systemic racism" or "white privilege" or "xenophobia" anymore. In other words, I wasn't going to act anymore. And when I look around now at the world, that's what I mostly see - lots of actors, trying to weaponize my kindness for their narcissistic needs.
As far as the latest activity now with Iran and so forth...
I'll start with this: I'm glad I'm on the winning team. I'm pleased to be an American. We could have sent our boy scouts in there and won easily, and I'm proud of that. There's a reason we're the most powerful nation on earth; it's not an accident. It's because a Judeo-Christian, capitalistic, representative democracy, emphasizing enlightenment and classical liberal values, fortified by a Constitution that ensures free speech and personal liberty for all, will always produce not just the most powerful country in the world but the best country, by almost every metric, 1 million times out of a million. Yep, I said it - we're better than everyone else.
So as far as teams go, I'm on team America. Even if I wasn't lucky enough to have born here, I would have done my best to get here and become a naturalized citizen.
But here's the thing: everyone can quickly be just as good if they'd copy and paste our approach. Just legislate free speech and you'll already be halfway there! I'm not claiming Americans are innately better, we just have the best system (and the best president, thank God) because we were blessed with brilliant and courageous founders, who created brilliant and courageous documents that - while certainly imperfect - are currently the best ever created.
And this ties in with the thread I think (I hope). Regardless of the details of this conflict or that one, it's western values that are at stake whenever a western country and an Islamic country collide. And Israel, for all intents and purposes, is a western country. So naturally I'm far more invested in their success than Iran's or Palestine's. I prioritize all this over any kind of hypothetical zionism.
When I look around the world, I see a Muslim invasion occurring. Call it a "soft invasion" if you must, but it's an undeniable invasion. Western values are being used against western values in a way, and so we're foolishly tolerating intolerance, and congratulating ourselves on perpetrating the fiction that not only are all cultures equal but that they can all exist harmoniously in the same space without any kind of undergirding value structure. Thank God Trump has stopped all that sh!t here, but the U.K. is nearly at the point of no return. Ditto Germany and Canada. France too. Everywhere, all over the world. It's a disaster.
So I'm on team America and team western values at the end of the day. I want peace just as much as anyone, but I believe these values represent the quickest way of achieving it.
You're not the person I used to know, sadly. You've drunk the kool-aide, Mike. You are listening to people who have gone so over the top with their anti-Woke sentiments that they have extended it to include anybody who protests against war crimes.
This isn't a West versus East problem. Nor is it right against left. It's top versus bottom. It's power versus powerlessness.
There is no Muslim invasion. That's just not happening. The other thing too, is Gaza has the highest educational standing, on average, of all Arab nations. With advanced education, people become more enlightened, not less.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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AutumnW
I prefer to be on the side that cares about the least among us. The innocents below, are the least among us.
If you care about starving and abused animals on DoDo videos, you should care about human children, like these Gazans, forced to endure this kind of Hell.
Enough spiritual bypassing. Being human is about feeling all emotions, not just "positive" ones. And without justice, there can be no peace, let alone love.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2
I care about the starving American children. That's where all my caring energy goes.
Starving AMERICAN children. Listen to yourself. It's unbelievable how far you've fallen.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
It's perfectly okay to protest war crimes Jess. But it's not obvious to me that war crimes are being committed ..and even if they are there's nothing I can do about it.
I focus on things I can do something about.
If you don't think there's a Muslim invasion you're just not paying attention.
I don't care how educated Gaza is or isn't, because I just don't really care about Gaza. I wouldn't want to live there or visit there in a million years. I'd sooner live in Nebraska.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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Mike
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AutumnW
I prefer to be on the side that cares about the least among us. The innocents below, are the least among us.
If you care about starving and abused animals on DoDo videos, you should care about human children, like these Gazans, forced to endure this kind of Hell.
Enough spiritual bypassing. Being human is about feeling all emotions, not just "positive" ones. And without justice, there can be no peace, let alone love.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2
¤=[Post Update]=¤
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2
I care about the starving American children. That's where all my caring energy goes.
Starving AMERICAN children. Listen to yourself. It's unbelievable how far you've fallen.
There's nothing I can do about starving children anywhere else.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
There is something you can do about starving children though, albeit indirectly. You can read more broadly so you aren't as susceptible to propaganda put out by the powerful, who don't give a **** about their own people, let alone foreigners. There is NOT a Muslim invasion. Where are they then? Do you know many? I doubt it. You're in Florida. I'd think you'd be more aware and more sensitive to a Zionist invasion, in terms of threat.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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There is something you can do about starving children though, albeit indirectly. You can read more broadly so you aren't as susceptible to propaganda put out by the powerful, who don't give a **** about their own people, let alone foreigners. There is NOT a Muslim invasion. Where are they then? Do you know many? I doubt it. You're in Florida. I'd think you'd be more aware and more sensitive to a Zionist invasion, in terms of threat.
I'd rather help them directly. No amount of reading will allow me to help Gazan children.
The beauty of being an American, particularly under Trump, is I don't have to worry about the Muslim invasion. I can't say that about the rest of the world.
You'll have to tell me exactly what you mean by a Zionist invasion. Because I don't see illegal Zionist immigrants flooding into Europe and elsewhere, I see Muslim ones.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
Last time I checked, apartheid was not congruent with democracy.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
Moderators please remove this posting. My opinion about its usefulness has changed.
Thank you.
Mod edit: okay, I'll arrange that for you. Personally, I value your always thoughtful contributions. Shame we don't get to see this one - TQ (Tintin)
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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It's perfectly okay to protest war crimes Jess. But it's not obvious to me that war crimes are being committed ..and even if they are there's nothing I can do about it.
I focus on things I can do something about.
If you don't think there's a Muslim invasion you're just not paying attention.
I don't care how educated Gaza is or isn't, because I just don't really care about Gaza. I wouldn't want to live there or visit there in a million years. I'd sooner live in Nebraska.
You're so deep in the ****, I don't think anyone will ever be able to pull you out. I'm certainly not going to try.
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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Mike
It's perfectly okay to protest war crimes Jess. But it's not obvious to me that war crimes are being committed ..and even if they are there's nothing I can do about it.
I focus on things I can do something about.
If you don't think there's a Muslim invasion you're just not paying attention.
I don't care how educated Gaza is or isn't, because I just don't really care about Gaza. I wouldn't want to live there or visit there in a million years. I'd sooner live in Nebraska.
You're so deep in the ****, I don't think anyone will ever be able to pull you out. I'm certainly not going to try.
Well that's not very nice!:)
Maybe you're missing my point. Just as a quick example, what do you think would go further towards creating a better world..protesting in the streets and ranting and raving on chat boards about a war on the other side of the world you can do nothing about, or going out into your immediate community and volunteering your time at a soup kitchen or something similar? Or just offering some $ to a homeless guy?
Here's another question. Answer if you dare: Would you rather have Muslim neighbors or Christian neighbors? Muslim neighbors or Jewish neighbors? And why?
I just think the world would be a much better place if 1) countries adopted democratic capitalism and emphasized free speech, 2) countries protected their borders, 3) subsidized countries became self-sufficient 4) everyone took care of their own first and foremost, beginning with their immediate families/communities/ countries and slowly moving outward as energy allows 5) radical Islamist countries were contained. I don't really think any of that is at all controversial.
You imagine you're somehow more caring and compassionate than I am, but it's just a fundamental difference in philosophy.
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Mike you keep saying you don't care about this topic but you go on and on and on about it. Love ya buddy but it's genuinely hard for me to determine if you're arguing in good faith.
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Mike you keep saying you don't care about this topic but you go on and on and on about it. Love ya buddy but it's genuinely hard for me to determine if you're arguing in good faith.
Well I care about it all inasmuch as it affects me and my country.
I care a lot about western values, and preserving them, which I think is what the thread is about.
p.s. I've never heard of that guy you messaged me about, but I'll torture myself later and have a listen :)
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I struggle with nausea contemplating that over 90 per cent of girls in Somalia have had painful removal of their clitoris, without anaesthetic, at the age of 5.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/02/1111242
Ayaan Hirsi Ali was one of those girls, but her nightmare was far from over. After receiving political asylum in the Netherlands, Ayaan to this day is a courageous vocal critic of Islamic Fundamentalism, but she will have to live the rest of her life looking over her shoulder. Sadly, Theo Van Gogh, with whom Ayaan collaborated on a film revealing the horrors of living under repression, can no longer look over his shoulder. He was murdered by an Islamist in 2004.
With an infinity of propaganda, nonsense, and opinionated drivel to sift through to find voices of reason marinating in truths, I like to add cultural experiencers to my list. Especially when issues I’ve decided to pay attention to are predominantly in other countries. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of those voices, and I’m appreciative of her fairly recent Courage Media platform.
There’s an article Ayaan wrote ten days ago that impresses me whenever I read it. This is not another piece rolling off the keyboard of a paid shill, or a critic that is so removed from what’s truly going on that their words dissolve in insipidness. Ayaan is writing from experience and with passion, and with a bravery few people are called upon for, and yet Ayaan offers her bravery up voluntarily for the good of humanity.
I’ll put the article up in my next post.
Yeah, that's really bad. It's not, however an Islamic custom. It has tribal origins.
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Mike you keep saying you don't care about this topic but you go on and on and on about it. Love ya buddy but it's genuinely hard for me to determine if you're arguing in good faith.
Well I care about it all inasmuch as it affects me and my country.
I care a lot about western values, and preserving them, which I think is what the thread is about.
p.s. I've never heard of that guy you messaged me about, but I'll torture myself later and have a listen :)
I'll get back to you later. I think regarding this topic specifically there are some things we can agree on. Thank you for taking my criticism in a mature manner, this is almost impossible to come by these days. People go zero-bonkers way too fast.
Regarding Hasan.... Strap in! I genuinely would love to hear your 2 cents on the guy. The guy who's like his arch nemesis is a piece of work as well. Fun fact: Jordan Peterson predicted this war between the two. I'm trying to be a better person in life but this 'karmic entertainment' is hard to resist.
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Yeah, that's really bad. It's not, however an Islamic custom. It has tribal origins.
Yeah, but those origins are from the Islamic Hadith. Hadith disciplines sit just under the Quran, so you can choose whether to adopt them or not, but if you do, Muhammad advises the following:
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As narrated by Hadrat Ali, the Prophet (pbuh) sent for a female circumciser and told her, “When you circumcise, cut slightly and not too deep.” According to another account, the Prophet (pbuh) said, “O the women of al-Ansar! Get circumcised but do not overdo it and avoid being ungrateful for the favors bestowed upon you.”
I would imagine in our non-tribal culture that parents wouldn’t be inclined to mutilate their children, but my confidence vanished when our governments decided mutilating children’s genitals, for another radical ideologue, was an okay thing to do.
The above quote is from a paper written by a Muslim surgeon—who doesn't recommend female circumcision. It’s an interesting read. Here’s another couple of quotes re prevalence today.
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As a tradition that has been in place almost since 4000 BC, female circumcision (FC) is usually associated with the norms and values adhered to by patriarchal societies. It is currently applied in certain areas in the world with varying prevalence rates in each area. Prevalence of FC is over 70% in Somalia, Egypt, Guinea, Ethiopia, Mali, Sudan, Eritrea, Djibouti, and Sierra Leone; whereas it is below 10% in Ghana, Niger, Cameroon, and Uganda, although all of them are African countries. In addition to the African continent, girls and women are known to be circumcised in Iraq, Yemen, Oman, Afghanistan, Malaysia, and Indonesia as well.
Statistical data on FC include the following: Today, over 125 million girls and women are circumcised in 29 countries in Africa and the Middle East. The procedure is performed from infancy till 15 years of age. Of all FC operations, only 18% are performed by healthcare workers, and it is known that FC is gradually getting medicalized in the Far East in particular.
However, every year, 20,000 girls under the age of 15 are faced with the risk of getting circumcised even in Britain, where 66,000 women are already trying to cope with the long-term complications of circumcision. FC has been a concern in USA, UK, France, and some other western countries as a result of immigration from countries where FC is practiced.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8260090/
Female Circumcision Debate: A Muslim Surgeons Perspective
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
Why Socrates Hated Democracy
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Rule Number 7 of posting something on the internet:
It does not matter how well you explain something, given enough views, someone will eventually misunderstand it and get really mad at you.
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And this ties in with the thread I think (I hope). Regardless of the details of this conflict or that one, it's western values that are at stake whenever a western country and an Islamic country collide.
When I look around the world, I very clearly see a Muslim invasion occurring, not a zionist one. Call it a "soft invasion" if you must, but this unchecked and illegal immigration is an undeniable invasion. Western values are being used against western values in a way, and so we're foolishly tolerating intolerance, and congratulating ourselves on perpetuating the fiction that not only are all cultures equal but that they can all exist harmoniously in the same space without any kind of undergirding value structure.
Hey Mike, I’m pretty much on the same page with what you’ve stated. And I appreciate that you interpreted the spirit of my post.
Here’s my dilemma: Like many, I’ve squirreled my way down a few rabbit holes, and we all know there’s never an end once you enter the warren, so eventually ya gotta come up for air to deal with what’s happening in real time with a common sense lens that can summarise key points of the bigger picture into a reasoned position because it adopts a solid foundation. An undergirding value structure, as you point out.
Claiming globalists, Zionists, secret societies, or some other Western tyrant group that we haven’t heard of yet, are responsible for everything and should always be vilified therefore we should always favour whoever is at war with the West—The End, now f*ck off—isn’t productive when stuff is happening on our streets that demands our attention.
Stuff we don’t want escalating. (I’ll share a couple of my own experiences a little later in another post.)
So when two very clear oppositional stances are in the public square, I’d like a little help knowing how to have conversations with family and friends by establishing a sure footing between us first. Maybe I’m naïve here, but I thought we all have common ground – democracy and free speech.
And maybe my common sense approach is flawed, but I need common sense to come back at me to help me sort it out. Not because of hypothetical tyrants living in a castle in the sky, or the lack of hypothetical utopias. Not because of imagined strategies in the minds of current leaders and the military, and not philosophising ideologies—just good ól boots on the ground, real-time solutions to real-time problems that are affecting our communities and shaping our tomorrows.
What I’m hoping for here is a conversation with some of those who are opposed to my position to talk to me about it without wielding a f*cking sledgehammer and without yelling at me before giving me the finger as they slam the door on their way out.
I can handle a bit of feisty debate, geez I’m an Aussie ffs. Talk to me like I’m a five-year-old, if you must, but give me your reasons for why my siding with America and our Western value systems is wrong. Today. Right now. Not yesterday, not because of any historical origins—there isn’t a place on this planet that doesn’t have shoddy origins—and not because our system is still an infant that hasn’t perfected itself yet.
I want to be on the right side of history, but I need a little convincing that I’m wrong for choosing America and Israel instead of Iran’s current leadership.
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No, it definitely isn't. One would usually see some hint of a thread title too but that is conspicuously absent.
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As is mostly the case, this Israel/Iran conflict is actually very complicated, it seems in Iran iteself the indigenous Persian people are very tired of the extreme Islamists and the current leader, these people are not the terrorists and inflamed with bigoted religious fervour, these are the moderate Persian folks - I find it difficult to untangle all of this but I am sympathetic about the Israel faction, but I dislike Netenyahu and his blood curdling sense of righteous psychopathy...like maybe stop murdering everyone on the Gaza strip and allow some food and water to reach them?
Much like the Ukraine/Russian conflct, we are 'meant' to support the faction that tallies with the political aspirations of the EU/NATO/USA/UK, but I find myself not doing this, I happen to think Russia has every right to protect its interests and its existence, the Maidan coup and the murdering of Russian ethnics in the eastern Oblasts that Russia ran a referendum in, and so stepped in to protect and win back territory is completely justified and I find myself despising Ukraine/Zelinsky and the Banderites!
I reaLLY am conflicted by Iran/Israel, all bets are off - I acknowledge your simple duality of 'terrorists or democracy' but I am afraid these days this duality no longer has merit, it is all much murkier and obscure, I think I support the Persian people of Iran, but I don't know how they will fare against the armed Islamists regime. It is very difficult to simply pick a side in all of this chaos and turbulence, we just have to bumble along an hope for a good outcome-but I do like Russia and what they claim to value.
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Israel, its real meaning, is spiritual: a struggle with God or a struggle with the qualia of self.
The 1948 political ethno-nationalistic secular and racist Zionist imposition is just that: an impostor. In the words of our friend Yeshua a veritable "...synagogue of Satan." Or as so wonderfully described by Australian writer Greg Maybury using a biblical quote: "(be ware) ..the yeast of the Pharisees."(Come the lies and crimes of Zionism). This manifestation is the spiritual enemy of humanity.
The "state" of Israel is a fraud. It has hijacked Judaism which is clearly distinct from "Zionism", in every way possibly imaginable. Jewry should in no way be conflated with Zionism (a Satanic construct). Recently Ursula Von Der Leyen even stated (almost verbatim): "European values are Talmudic values". A cursory perusal of that vilest of tomes and the moral degeneracy which is empirically evident in that, and in what we are witnessing now throughout (so-called) Western civilisation is clearly reflected in that statement and deems it a tragically accurate assessment. We're damned. Literally. (Dante spins and pens his tenth.)
So, we need to remind ourselves of what we think are "our values", as a collective: as a civilisation. What are they exactly? Well, they might be embodied in the Yeshuan principles - the 4 primary powers being, in interchangeable order:
The pursuit of, and practice of:
Grace
Understanding
Consideration
Perception
Which may encapsulate the following: the freedom given everyone, at the point of and before incarnation for self-determination; self-regulation; respect of the Divine; humility in the face of that; respect for others as a reflection of that source; self-discipline; to reflect the Divine through creative endeavour; to further reflect the Divine as best we can in our interactions and relationship with others; to nurture nature; the noble pursuit of what may be true, and not to overdo the coffee, whilst acknowledging and embracing that most extraordinary of disciplines: test cricket. (I've got Christ batting at 3, and fielding at second slip. In case you're interested, I'm batting 4 and fielding at silly point.)
Or maybe more simply put: make friends with Yeshua. And d.o i.t n.o.w. Right now. Anyone and everyone can do that, anywhere, anytime, any size, shape, colour, language. It's not a difficult concept to grasp but a heck of a mission, should you choose to accept it.
That is your life mission. Nothing else. That doesn't mean going to Church regularly or prosletyzing.
(I could write more - and way better - but I'm mildly hungover from celebrating England's almost serene march to victory against India in the first test (of 5) yesterday chasing down 370+. By way of analogy may be what we should all be aiming to do.)
Some ask me: "How you doin?!" To which I most often respond: "I don't know. The Divine hasn't marked my homework, yet."
This is my interim exegesis, in as much as it may even be one.
Yeshua bless.
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No, it definitely isn't. One would usually see some hint of a thread title too but that is conspicuously absent.
Hi Tintin, and hi Gemma13.
The link works for me. It shows a gif that I had been unsuccessful in posting as an attachment, one which I had previously posted. I went through several iterations, starting at “Go Advanced” and selecting the paperclip button for the attachments page. Finally, I copied from the gif image/field on the attachments page, and pasted that in my fresh/unreferenced post (#18).
The fact that the gif appears for me, upon clicking, and not for others, likely has to do with some inner coding restriction. I won’t do that again, and apologise for wasting your times. Thank you both for the heads-up.
To clarify my intention with that post, the gif is of a gorilla walking up on all fours, saying “Hey guys, what’s happening in this threa”, looking around, and then hustling upright back down the path saying “Aww sh*t”. This was a response to a couple previous posts which expressed strong disagreement to an earlier post, both of which have since been taken down.
I’m at wits’ end now, how to work and post attachments. That gif in particular, would be useful when decor is lost, in various threads.
Note: please feel free to ask questions about attachments in the sandbox thread here.
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As is mostly the case, this Israel/Iran conflict is actually very complicated, it seems in Iran iteself the indigenous Persian people are very tired of the extreme Islamists and the current leader, these people are not the terrorists and inflamed with bigoted religious fervour, these are the moderate Persian folks - I find it difficult to untangle all of this but I am sympathetic about the Israel faction, but I dislike Netenyahu and his blood curdling sense of righteous psychopathy...like maybe stop murdering everyone on the Gaza strip and allow some food and water to reach them?
Much like the Ukraine/Russian conflct, we are 'meant' to support the faction that tallies with the political aspirations of the EU/NATO/USA/UK, but I find myself not doing this, I happen to think Russia has every right to protect its interests and its existence, the Maidan coup and the murdering of Russian ethnics in the eastern Oblasts that Russia ran a referendum in, and so stepped in to protect and win back territory is completely justified and I find myself despising Ukraine/Zelinsky and the Banderites!
I reaLLY am conflicted by Iran/Israel, all bets are off - I acknowledge your simple duality of 'terrorists or democracy' but I am afraid these days this duality no longer has merit, it is all much murkier and obscure, I think I support the Persian people of Iran, but I don't know how they will fare against the armed Islamists regime. It is very difficult to simply pick a side in all of this chaos and turbulence, we just have to bumble along an hope for a good outcome-but I do like Russia and what they claim to value.
Hi Mike, gosh I’ve thought about checking in with you so many times to see if you and your wife would like to grab a coffee sometime. I’m in Perth. But as much as I can be a social butterfly out and about, I’ve been quite reclusive past decade, much to the disgust of my mates, so they always take priority when I do venture out. I’m up for it though, if ever you’re inclined.
RE: Duality of terrorists vs democracy. Complex and murky—oh boy, ain’t that the truth—which is why, from a commoner's perspective, I prefer to simplify global conflicts from a bird’s-eye view.
With my deep dives into all this, it's impossible to ignore the oligarchs that have an overarching global agenda and untold wealth to wield power to sway public opinion. Lo and behold, our dear humanitarian George Soros funds the Free Palestine Movement flooding our communities.
https://youtu.be/uHXEVpb2NkM?si=4cMUevaWgjW0n8lV
Only hours after I watched this clip by Nate Friedman, Trump posted it on his social media. Rightly so, when there’s no illusion that Soros favours a One-World Communist/Marxist regime over Capitalism because he favours Moral Universalism and funds it heftily around the globe, fuelling all the Woke uprisings and dumb arse ideologies taking over universities.
All well and good, let's have open societies where people are free to explore and have a diversity of religious beliefs, oh wait, we’ve got that in our Western Value system, so I’m guessing the larger agenda for Soros is just good ol’ global dominion with his cronies sitting on the throne. He's a clever bastard, unleashing his Marxist lust now that he’s so damn rich he doesn’t need capitalism anymore.
So, Soros hates: Israel because of their nationalism, claiming they’ll be far safer in his version of an Open Society—America because, “it’s the main obstacle to a stable and just world order”, especially Trump because he keeps throwing shade on his open borders—China because they’re a threat to open societies—Putin because apparently Europe is under attack from Russia—and India for standing up to Islamic Extremists, which basically leaves support for Arab countries controlled by Islamic Extremists.
(For the record, I didn't just make all that up. Straight from the horses mouth.)
Yep, the writings on the wall for me when I fly up for that birds-eye view. But here’s the thing about the feel-good Church Soros is crusading around the globe. There’s no solid foundation for checks and balances. It’s a madman dictator’s wet dream. And what’s alarming about all this is that he’s successfully bribed untold institutions, thereby convincing billions of adherents that he’s a Global Saviour ushering in kumbaya and utopia for future generations.
In 2018, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Zarif allegedly claimed that the Iranian government has worked closely with billionaire George Soros' Open Society Foundations (OSF) organization. Hard to challenge that when evidence is indisputable that Soros is funding the propaganda campaign against Israel. But that doesn’t mean Soros has converted to Islam.
He’s a conqueror of nations from within to achieve his One World Order, meaning that once he’s effectively taken over Western civilisation with the backing of Arabian Knights, he’ll then work on their populations to dismantle their laws from within. And then we can all sing heil Soros and live happily ever after! Only one problem, dude will be dead along with many of us because his open borders vision is ushering in Arabian Knights to invade and conquer for their own world domination agenda.
It's baffled me no end how all those opposed to the Global Reset are now cheering it on with this next round of propaganda straight out of Soros and Schwab’s playbook—essentially mimicking the successful Covid propaganda that gripped us for a few years. The long game globalist strategists don’t have bleeding hearts over all the innocent people dying on both sides of this brutal conflict—that’s our job. Kills me that the longer it goes on, the bigger the win for their Saviour complex.
Anyway, I’ll stop my little rant there—not ranting at you by the way—and cheers for taking the time to stop by.
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Yeshua bless.
Hey Tintin, Appreciate your post, I’ll be back a bit later to respond. Cheers.
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Israel, its real meaning, is
spiritual: a struggle with God or a struggle with the qualia of self.
The 1948 political ethno-nationalistic secular and
racist Zionist imposition is just that: an impostor. In the words of our friend Yeshua a veritable "...synagogue of Satan." Or as so wonderfully described by Australian writer Greg Maybury using a biblical quote: "(be ware) ..the yeast of the Pharisees."(
Come the lies and crimes of Zionism). This manifestation is the
spiritual enemy of humanity.
The "state" of Israel is a fraud. It has hijacked Judaism which is clearly distinct from "Zionism", in every way possibly imaginable. Jewry should in no way be conflated with Zionism (a Satanic construct). Recently Ursula Von Der Leyen even stated (almost verbatim): "European values are Talmudic values". A cursory perusal of that vilest of tomes and the moral degeneracy which is empirically evident in that, and in what we are witnessing now throughout (so-called) Western civilisation is clearly reflected in that statement and deems it a tragically accurate assessment. We're damned. Literally.
(Dante spins and pens his tenth.)
So, we need to remind ourselves of what we think are "our values", as a collective: as a civilisation.
What are they exactly? Well, they might be embodied in the Yeshuan principles - the 4 primary powers being, in interchangeable order:
The pursuit of, and practice of:
Grace
Understanding
Consideration
Perception
Which may encapsulate the following: the freedom given everyone, at the point of and before incarnation for self-determination; self-regulation; respect of the Divine; humility in the face of that; respect for others as a reflection of that source; self-discipline; to reflect the Divine through creative endeavour; to further reflect the Divine as best we can in our interactions and relationship with others; to nurture nature; the noble pursuit of what may be true, and not to overdo the coffee, whilst acknowledging and embracing that most extraordinary of disciplines: test cricket. (I've got Christ batting at 3, and fielding at second slip. In case you're interested, I'm batting 4 and fielding at silly point.)
Or maybe more simply put:
make friends with Yeshua. And
d.o i.t n.o.w.
Right now. Anyone and everyone can do that, anywhere, anytime, any size, shape, colour, language. It's not a difficult concept to grasp but a heck of a mission, should you choose to accept it.
That is your life mission. Nothing else. That doesn't mean going to Church regularly or prosletyzing.
(I could write more - and way better - but I'm mildly hungover from celebrating England's almost serene march to victory against India in the first test (of 5) yesterday chasing down 370+. By way of analogy may be what we should all be aiming to do.)
Some ask me: "How you doin?!" To which I most often respond: "I don't know. The Divine hasn't marked my homework, yet."
This is my interim exegesis, in as much as it may even be one.
Yeshua bless.
Hey Tintin, let’s talk about the serious stuff first—Cricket. Yep, big fan, mediocre supporter. When it’s on the telly in summer—Mum’s a huge fan—then I’m all in. Ha, looking forward to November mate, when your little vanilla arses hit our shores again. 😊
Fun fact: Before Mum crossed treacherous oceans with the 10 Pound Pom brigade, my grandparents lived in the groundsman’s cottage at Cobham Hall, Kent, working for the Earls of Darnley. Alas, Mum was too busy jumping on four-poster beds with the Darnley’s rug rats to give a damn about cricket so no clues there over The Ashes urn mystery.
“Zionism is a satanic construct.” Wow, now I get ya. When I see a satanic construct, it's exceedingly difficult to unsee it, so I understand your passion there. Oh boy, that’s a dilemma for us because I see Hamas as a satanic construct.
I browsed over Greg Maybury’s conclusions, which I think sum up what I understood about the anti-Zionist campaign: an attempt to collate as much data as possible to sustain an iron-clad premise for why the world is sh!t. But I can do that too. A thousand times over with interchanging villains and saints. And I mean no offence here.
But isn’t it also valid to make the argument that Jews were the indigenous land owners dating back, well, forever, but because they kept getting conquered, enslaved, forced into conversion, and dispersed, they had to keep rising from the ashes? For example, 63BC when Pompey conquered the Jerusalem area, or 722BC when the Assyrians took their crack at it, or 136CE when the Romans performed a pretty nasty massacre.
I’ll borrow a little from Maybury’s 2023 essay—What the World Needs Now: A Clean Break from Israel—to capture what I interpret to be the essence of the Anti-Zionism movement's main thrusts, being Netanyahu’s aggressive leadership, and a demand for reparations from the West’s superpowers based on tunnel vision that dangerously excludes analysis of other sinister forces in the world that our current superpowers keep in check.
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This elevated estimable hardliner—and Zionist poster-boy of the U.S. neoconservative, fifth-column, crypto-Jewish cabal—Benjamin (Bibi) Netanyahu, to the premiership.
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If Israel cannot then make a “clean break” from its past and present policies, then America—along with those nations broadly supportive of said policies and approving of their conduct, including my own country Australia—needs to make a “clean break” from them. This will I believe be the only way the country is ever likely to come to its senses, and from there begin the long hard process of recognition, renunciation, reconciliation and restitution. By necessity and by definition, this should involve the following:
1. a recognition their actions, behavior and conduct defies all legal, moral and ethical standards and norms and that it is not longer acceptable to the international community;
2. a renunciation of the hegemonic goals/ambitions identified in the Clean Break strategy, the Oded Yinon Plan, and other manifestos (e.g. The Likud Charter;)
3. a reconciliation with not just the Palestinians but their neighbors in and across the Greater Middle East; and
4. a restitution of sorts that fully compensates those who have lost the most from this conflict and redresses the transgressions of the past.
“The crimes of the U.S. have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.”
With Pinter’s withering indictment ringing in our ears, one might substitute Israel here in place of—or indeed for that matter, down there alongside—America.
I’m all about fairness and equality, but I’m also a realist, which is why it’s difficult for me to see how any of Maybury’s suggested resolutions could ever come to pass. Soros has his Open Society Foundations firmly entrenched in Australia too and when they’re not taking their pitchforks out into the streets for the trendy Free Palestine Movement, they’re demanding our leaders manifest a time machine to transport us back a hundred years so we can erase history and start all over again living naked, free and mosquito bitten along the Whadjuk trail.
My current understanding is that Anti-Zionism equates to Anti-West while favouring Arab nations because Zionists thirst to conquer them, and that’s just wrong because the other team plays nicer. If I’m way off track, please help me out. I sincerely want to understand all this.
And I get that some people hate Jews because Jews don’t believe Jesus was the cool dude that he was, and they likely played a part in having him killed. But Jesus was all up in that for his own reasons, so… there’s that.
I’m confused about your reference to the Churches in Revelation, which were located in Turkey, having any bearing on today. But I’ll forgive you. The night before? Not fully worn off? 😊There are fraudulent religious devotees in all faiths. Not sure how you can make the connection that Zionism—a petition made to those in power in the late 19th century to establish and fortify a national home on indigenous land—is the equivalent of the anti-Christ?
I’ve looked at the Israel vs Palestine thread multiple times trying to get a handle on why you guys are all up in arms about Israel, but every time I go there Bojancan’s posts are like being whacked repeatedly in the face at a protest. Kinda like being the lone wolf white guy in this 7min clip Exomatrix posted in another thread. Sorry, but it does my head in, and I can’t get past it all to invest in the flow of the argument over there.
https://youtu.be/LsK97UAcG-U?si=QkKS8vtlBz3HnB62
And hey, if you’ve got a little time to talk to me about all this, I promise I’ll go easy on ya when your boys struggle with our heat come November. :p
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Re: A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.
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And hey, if you’ve got a little time to talk to me about all this, I promise I’ll go easy on ya when your boys struggle with our heat come November. :p
Hey, you can't even cope with the West Indies! :p
What's happened to your batting?! Hope your boys are fit love, they're gonna need to be: we'll be keeping them busy scampering repeatedly to the boundary ropes :)
I predict we win 3-1 (remember 2010/2011?)
I'll respond properly to your other points duly, but, as you say, let's deal with the important stuff first, heh :bigsmile:
