A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel.

[Gemma13]

A Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, an atheist, and a man dressed like a peacock walk into a bar—in Israel. Remarkably, no one died.

No, seriously. There’s a Supreme Court Judge in Israel who's a Muslim. Who knew, eh?

With all its flaws, as it chugs along its evolutionary timeline, our Western superpowers have carved out public space that vehemently renounces oppressive regimes that use barbaric methods for subjugation and control over their citizens. Throw a stone at someone because you can’t master the art of verbal combat, and you’ll be vastly unpopular.

We live in countries that not only need championing—as we grind away voting this way and that way for policies to make life fair, opportunistic, and comfortable—they also need our support. Especially when there are pesky locations on the globe where lunatic terrorists still believe the optimal reason to be alive is to worship brutal dictators. Even more annoying is that they believe our sole purpose for optimal living is to chant adoration to them in our streets before bending over backwards to have them shaft us on our turf. You know, like Iran.

We have space where we’re free, yep free, to debate religions, propaganda, conspiracy theories, the Great Reset, who the bad guys were a million years ago, who the global controllers are today, Bigfoot, aliens, angels and demons, utopia, men-women and women-men, meat vs flowers, Netflix vs Hulu, conspiracy theories, and… did I say conspiracy theories? Point being, we can. And we will continue to do so as long as we put our Western democracies front and centre at the end of each day. But for many, that’s currently not happening.

It's unrealistic to expect people to be invested in all the conspiracy and propaganda schtick flooding our screens, so analysis has to boil down to a sense of logic when picking a side on issues that directly impact how we collectively move forward. I believe we’re at one of those junctures.

Regardless of religious belief, control over turf, who’s really in charge, or any of the other complex rabbit holes we like to shimmy down, the situation with Israel and Iran is a fight for our Western value system. It can’t be any clearer. Terrorist regime vs democracy. Hmm, what side to pick?

If I were to be a prisoner of war, would I prefer imprisonment by Islamic extremists—aka Iran and their proxies Hamas, Hezbollah, and the like—or by one of the most democratic countries in the world, Israel? Which brings me to the purpose of this thread.

We can get pissed off as much as we like with how our governments are failing in certain areas. Damn fools. Why haven’t they fixed everything yet? But when push comes to shove and another country is-not-joking-about-wanting-to-kill-us-because-we-won’t-bend-the-knee-to-their-retarded-belief-system, and we go and choose them over our own, well damn… that’s just cutting ya nose off to spite your face.

I could list a ton of links from intelligent journalists, researchers, analysts, refugees from terrorist oppression, etc, to provide solid ground to counter the argument that Israel and America—and now Australia, which recently supported America’s attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities—are the bad guys in this situation, and no doubt we’ll get to all that.

In the meantime, Avalon always had a distinguished reputation for sustaining a space where left, right, up, down, or sideways in a debate was accommodated respectfully. And as much as I hate having to say this—with what appears to be a strong leaning toward support for Hamas and Iran on the forum—I’m hoping this merit will apply here.

[Gemma13]

I struggle with nausea contemplating that over 90 per cent of girls in Somalia have had painful removal of their clitoris, without anaesthetic, at the age of 5.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/02/1111242

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was one of those girls, but her nightmare was far from over. After receiving political asylum in the Netherlands, Ayaan to this day is a courageous vocal critic of Islamic Fundamentalism, but she will have to live the rest of her life looking over her shoulder. Sadly, Theo Van Gogh, with whom Ayaan collaborated on a film revealing the horrors of living under repression, can no longer look over his shoulder. He was murdered by an Islamist in 2004.

With an infinity of propaganda, nonsense, and opinionated drivel to sift through to find voices of reason marinating in truths, I like to add cultural experiencers to my list. Especially when issues I’ve decided to pay attention to are predominantly in other countries. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of those voices, and I’m appreciative of her fairly recent Courage Media platform.

There’s an article Ayaan wrote ten days ago that impresses me whenever I read it. This is not another piece rolling off the keyboard of a paid shill, or a critic that is so removed from what’s truly going on that their words dissolve in insipidness. Ayaan is writing from experience and with passion, and with a bravery few people are called upon for, and yet Ayaan offers her bravery up voluntarily for the good of humanity.

I’ll put the article up in my next post.

[Gemma13]

https://courage.media/2025/06/13/why...ime-must-fall/

As I write this, Israeli fighter jets are striking Iranian nuclear sites. President Trump confirmed he was briefed on the strike in advance, and has vowed to stand firmly with Israel. Thank God. Because when Prime Minister Netanyahu calls Iran “a threat to Israel’s survival,” he’s not exaggerating. He’s stating the truth.

The headlines will focus on military strategy, and the pundits will debate escalation. But we should ask a different question: What kind of world would emerge if the Islamic Republic finally fell? The regime in Tehran is not just Israel’s enemy. It is the enemy of every person who believes in human dignity. For over four decades, this theocracy has perfected the art of oppression. It has transformed a once-proud civilization into a repressive state where women are punished for showing their hair, where protesters vanish into dungeons, and where the government finances terror across three continents. Meanwhile, its own citizens struggle to buy bread.

The Iranian people have been sending us messages for years. They wrote them in blood during the Green Revolution, when millions poured into the streets demanding, “Where is my vote?” The regime’s answer came in the form of batons and bullets. Neda Agha-Soltan was just 26 when a government sniper shot her in the heart during a protest. Her murder revealed the true face of a regime so terrified of losing control that it would rather kill its own people than listen to them. But Iranians refused to stay quiet. Thirteen years later, the people rose again. This time for Mahsa Amini, a young woman who died in police custody. Her crime? A few strands of hair showing beneath her hijab. For this, she was arrested. For this, she was beaten. For this, she died. The 22-year-old’s death demanded an answer. “Woman, Life, Freedom” rang out from Tehran’s universities to the Kurdish mountains where she grew up. What began as mourning became defiance. What started as protests became revolution, the largest uprising the Islamic Republic had ever faced. Iranian women didn’t just march. They tore off their headscarves and burned them in the streets. They danced around the flames while police sirens wailed. They knew the cost. These heroic women paid it willingly.

The regime responded with predictable savagery. Over 500 protesters were killed, including children whose only crime was demanding basic rights. Thousands more disappeared into the regime’s prisons. Yet throughout the bloodshed, the West persisted with cautious diplomacy—issuing statements and holding meetings, but steering clear of real confrontation. In doing so, it continued to legitimize a regime that thrives on repression. This must stop.

The Islamic Republic represents more than a regional threat. It poses a direct challenge to the principle that people deserve freedom. This regime systematically exports violence and extremism across the globe. In Gaza, for instance, it bankrolls Hamas terrorists who use Palestinian children as human shields while diverting aid money to build attack tunnels. In Lebanon, it has transformed Hezbollah from a militia into the country’s true power, turning a once-prosperous nation into a failed state. In Yemen, it arms Houthi rebels who have created one of the world’s worst humanitarian disasters while launching missiles at civilian shipping.

Every attack by these proxy forces advances Tehran’s central strategy. The regime doesn’t seek regional influence through diplomacy or economic partnership. It builds power through violence and intimidation. Every rocket fired at Israeli civilians, and every bomb that destroys a Lebanese neighborhood serves this larger plan of control through terror. And now they race toward nuclear weapons.

But the mullahs are not Iran—they are its captors. We know because we have seen glimpses of the real Iran, the nation that built poetry into its soul long before Islam arrived. The Iran that gave birth to some of history’s greatest scholars and artists still lives beneath the surface. The Iran where women once walked freely in universities and laboratories waits to emerge again. A free Iran would transform the Middle East overnight. The funding would dry up for Hamas and Hezbollah. The proxy wars would lose their puppet master.

The nuclear threat would evaporate along with the regime that promised to wipe Israel off the map. Lebanon could finally breathe. The region could finally imagine a future beyond endless conflict.

But the impact would reach far beyond the Middle East. The fall of the Islamic Republic would send a message to every theocrat and dictator on earth. It would prove that even the most entrenched tyranny can be defeated. It would remind oppressed peoples everywhere that freedom is possible.

The West has a choice to make. We can continue to legitimize this regime through diplomacy and half-measures, or we can stand with the Iranian people who have been fighting for their freedom at tremendous cost. This is not about regime change imposed from outside. This is about supporting regime change demanded from within. The Iranian people have been asking for our help for years—not our military intervention, but our moral support. Not our invasion but our recognition that they, not their oppressors, represent the true face of Iran. The Islamic Republic will fall eventually. History is on the side of freedom. The only question is whether we will be on the right side when it happens.

[rgray222]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
Terrorist regime vs democracy. Hmm, what side to pick?

I have been thinking about this issue for some time. I have also been dabbling in the Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War and the WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia threads with some trepidation. I am apprehensive about expressing my perspective because my primary concern is not aligned with any particular nation—not Iran, Israel, Ukraine, or Russia—but with the pursuit of peace. My apprehension stems from the fact that most individuals are deeply and emotionally invested in these conflicts, most everyone being aligned with a specific side. I believe that, as a species, we should always prioritize our emotional investment in peace rather than war. Instead of taking sides or assigning blame, we should advocate for peace. To do this would bring about healing and unity.

When we are standing on the sidelines, rooting for one team or the other, we are encouraging more death, more pain, and more destruction. As third-party participants, we should be rooting for peace at any cost. The world should collectively ostracize any leader who considers war as a means of solving perceived problems.

Edit

War is the tool of the globalist, war will cause borders to fall, cultural differences to dissappear and it will allow one world government to rise. It is inevitable.

[Harmony]

It seems there are many people that can see the good essence of people in all parts of the world. Each nation may have beauty and freedom and show care for one another, while there also exists great fear and coered manipulation, trauma, hijacked systems, like religions, even our care for the environment has been weaponised within our own systems as well switch and bait with our choices made including our medical and education systems.

Why are we only given such few choices that get narrower and more controlled every year and further away from what we really want. Is there only war or peace, or other ways to change the world so informed decisions on a persoal level are the norm? Are people's fears and outrage at treatment of our fellow human beings used as levers to move us towards a bigger agenda that will trap people in a world with even less choices in our policies, our systems and freedoms. This could be problem, reaction solution, but the solution may not benefit the good people of the world. This really upsets me on so many levels. No I don't want innocent people to suffer, and no I don't want the false controlleres in the world to get away with or continue to cause others to sufffer. Somehow it seems set up as war is the only choice, I just don't know all the facts behind what happens as we are not privy to those details.

[Gemma13]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
Terrorist regime vs democracy. Hmm, what side to pick?

I have been thinking about this issue for some time. I have also been dabbling in the Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War and the WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia threads with some trepidation. I am apprehensive about expressing my perspective because my primary concern is not aligned with any particular nation—not Iran, Israel, Ukraine, or Russia—but with the pursuit of peace. My apprehension stems from the fact that most individuals are deeply and emotionally invested in these conflicts, most everyone being aligned with a specific side. I believe that, as a species, we should always prioritize our emotional investment in peace rather than war. Instead of taking sides or assigning blame, we should advocate for peace. To do this would bring about healing and unity.

When we are standing on the sidelines, rooting for one team or the other, we are encouraging more death, more pain, and more destruction. As third-party participants, we should be rooting for peace at any cost. The world should collectively ostracize any leader who considers war as a means of solving perceived problems.

Totally agree and we're fortunate laws have been established to support peaceful negotiations.

The prickle though is rooting for peace at any cost. Your words, and I agree again.

But that, at any cost - when diplomacy and words and earnest pleas for peace are repeatedly ignored by a regime hell bent on inflicting evil atrocities - now demands muscle, whether we like it or not.

[Mike]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
Terrorist regime vs democracy. Hmm, what side to pick?

I have been thinking about this issue for some time. I have also been dabbling in the Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War and the WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia threads with some trepidation. I am apprehensive about expressing my perspective because my primary concern is not aligned with any particular nation—not Iran, Israel, Ukraine, or Russia—but with the pursuit of peace. My apprehension stems from the fact that most individuals are deeply and emotionally invested in these conflicts, most everyone being aligned with a specific side. I believe that, as a species, we should always prioritize our emotional investment in peace rather than war. Instead of taking sides or assigning blame, we should advocate for peace. To do this would bring about healing and unity.

When we are standing on the sidelines, rooting for one team or the other, we are encouraging more death, more pain, and more destruction. As third-party participants, we should be rooting for peace at any cost. The world should collectively ostracize any leader who considers war as a means of solving perceived problems.

Edit

War is the tool of the globalist, war will cause borders to fall, cultural differences to dissappear and it will allow one world government to rise. It is inevitable.

I can empathize with this, particularly your point on everyone taking sides in these conflicts. It's perfectly okay to have an opinion, but too often opinions are offered up as dogmatic certainties, with the opiners assuming the mantle of moral arbiter..wagging their finger at everyone and demanding allegiance to their view (and if you won't comply you're a fascist, zionist, or some other obnoxious 'ist')

I don't begrudge anyone taking sides, but what I deeply resent is unhinged virtue-signalers demanding I take their side. When done publicly it amounts to something like a Maoist struggle session.

I found myself on the back foot for a while on this Gaza issue, and then I just had something of a revelation about it all..and it went something like this: I hardly give a f#ck about any of this and I'm done pretending I do out of some kind of allegiance to propriety. And I'm telling you, I've felt light as a feather ever since. It's the same kind of feeling I got when I finally decided I wasn't going to pretend to care about "systemic racism" or "white privilege" or "xenophobia" anymore. In other words, I wasn't going to act anymore. And when I look around now at the world, that's what I mostly see - lots of actors, trying to weaponize my kindness for their narcissistic needs.

As far as the latest activity now with Iran and so forth...
I'll start with this: I'm glad I'm on the winning team. I'm pleased to be an American. We could have sent our boy scouts in there and won easily, and I'm proud of that. There's a reason we're the most powerful nation on earth; it's not an accident. It's because a Judeo-Christian, capitalistic, representative democracy, emphasizing enlightenment and classical liberal values, fortified by a Constitution that ensures free speech and personal liberty for all, will always produce not just the most powerful country in the world but the best country, by almost every metric, 1 million times out of a million. Yep, I said it - we're better than everyone else.

So as far as teams go, I'm on team America. Even if I wasn't lucky enough to have been born here, I would have done my best to get here and become a naturalized citizen.

But here's the thing: everyone can quickly be just as good if they'd copy and paste our approach. Just legislate free speech and you'll already be halfway there! I'm not claiming Americans are innately better, we just have the best system (and the best president, thank God) because we were blessed with brilliant and courageous founders, who created brilliant and courageous documents that - while certainly imperfect - are currently the best ever created.

And this ties in with the thread I think (I hope). Regardless of the details of this conflict or that one, it's western values that are at stake whenever a western country and an Islamic country collide. And Israel, for all intents and purposes, is a western country. So naturally I'm far more invested in their success than Iran's or Palestine's. I prioritize all this over any kind of hypothetical zionism.

When I look around the world, I very clearly see a Muslim invasion occurring, not a zionist one. Call it a "soft invasion" if you must, but this unchecked and illegal immigration is an undeniable invasion. Western values are being used against western values in a way, and so we're foolishly tolerating intolerance, and congratulating ourselves on perpetuating the fiction that not only are all cultures equal but that they can all exist harmoniously in the same space without any kind of undergirding value structure. Thank God Trump has stopped all that sh!t here, but the U.K. is nearly at the point of no return. Ditto Germany and Canada. France too. Everywhere, all over the world. It's a disaster.

So I'm on team America and team western values at the end of the day. I want peace just as much as anyone, but I believe these values represent the quickest way of achieving it.

[AutumnW]

I prefer to be on the side that cares about the least among us. The innocents below, are the least among us.

If you care about starving and abused animals on DoDo videos, you should care about human children, like these Gazans, forced to endure this kind of Hell.

Enough spiritual bypassing. Being human is about feeling all emotions, not just "positive" ones. And without justice, there can be no peace, let alone love.



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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
I prefer to be on the side that cares about the least among us. The innocents below, are the least among us.

If you care about starving and abused animals on DoDo videos, you should care about human children, like these Gazans, forced to endure this kind of Hell.

Enough spiritual bypassing. Being human is about feeling all emotions, not just "positive" ones. And without justice, there can be no peace, let alone love.



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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2

I care about the starving American children. That's where all my caring energy goes.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
Terrorist regime vs democracy. Hmm, what side to pick?

I have been thinking about this issue for some time. I have also been dabbling in the Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War and the WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia threads with some trepidation. I am apprehensive about expressing my perspective because my primary concern is not aligned with any particular nation—not Iran, Israel, Ukraine, or Russia—but with the pursuit of peace. My apprehension stems from the fact that most individuals are deeply and emotionally invested in these conflicts, most everyone being aligned with a specific side. I believe that, as a species, we should always prioritize our emotional investment in peace rather than war. Instead of taking sides or assigning blame, we should advocate for peace. To do this would bring about healing and unity.

When we are standing on the sidelines, rooting for one team or the other, we are encouraging more death, more pain, and more destruction. As third-party participants, we should be rooting for peace at any cost. The world should collectively ostracize any leader who considers war as a means of solving perceived problems.

Edit

War is the tool of the globalist, war will cause borders to fall, cultural differences to dissappear and it will allow one world government to rise. It is inevitable.

I can empathize with this, particularly your point on everyone taking sides in these conflicts. It's perfectly okay to have an opinion, but too often opinions are offered up as dogmatic certainties, with the opiners assuming the mantle of moral arbiter..wagging their finger at everyone and demanding allegiance to their view (and if you won't comply you're a fascist, zionist, or some other obnoxious 'ist')

I don't begrudge anyone taking sides, but what I deeply resent is unhinged virtue-signalers demanding we take their side. When done publicly it amounts to something like a Maoist struggle session.

I found myself on the back foot for a while on this Gaza issue, and then I just had something of a revelation about it all..and it went something like this: I hardly give a f#ck about any of this and I'm done pretending I do out of some kind of allegiance to propriety. And I'm telling you, I've felt light as a feather ever since. It's the same kind of feeling I got when I finally decided I wasn't going to pretend to care about "systemic racism" or "white privilege" or "xenophobia" anymore. In other words, I wasn't going to act anymore. And when I look around now at the world, that's what I mostly see - lots of actors, trying to weaponize my kindness for their narcissistic needs.

As far as the latest activity now with Iran and so forth...
I'll start with this: I'm glad I'm on the winning team. I'm pleased to be an American. We could have sent our boy scouts in there and won easily, and I'm proud of that. There's a reason we're the most powerful nation on earth; it's not an accident. It's because a Judeo-Christian, capitalistic, representative democracy, emphasizing enlightenment and classical liberal values, fortified by a Constitution that ensures free speech and personal liberty for all, will always produce not just the most powerful country in the world but the best country, by almost every metric, 1 million times out of a million. Yep, I said it - we're better than everyone else.

So as far as teams go, I'm on team America. Even if I wasn't lucky enough to have born here, I would have done my best to get here and become a naturalized citizen.

But here's the thing: everyone can quickly be just as good if they'd copy and paste our approach. Just legislate free speech and you'll already be halfway there! I'm not claiming Americans are innately better, we just have the best system (and the best president, thank God) because we were blessed with brilliant and courageous founders, who created brilliant and courageous documents that - while certainly imperfect - are currently the best ever created.

And this ties in with the thread I think (I hope). Regardless of the details of this conflict or that one, it's western values that are at stake whenever a western country and an Islamic country collide. And Israel, for all intents and purposes, is a western country. So naturally I'm far more invested in their success than Iran's or Palestine's. I prioritize all this over any kind of hypothetical zionism.

When I look around the world, I see a Muslim invasion occurring. Call it a "soft invasion" if you must, but it's an undeniable invasion. Western values are being used against western values in a way, and so we're foolishly tolerating intolerance, and congratulating ourselves on perpetrating the fiction that not only are all cultures equal but that they can all exist harmoniously in the same space without any kind of undergirding value structure. Thank God Trump has stopped all that sh!t here, but the U.K. is nearly at the point of no return. Ditto Germany and Canada. France too. Everywhere, all over the world. It's a disaster.

So I'm on team America and team western values at the end of the day. I want peace just as much as anyone, but I believe these values represent the quickest way of achieving it.

You're not the person I used to know, sadly. You've drunk the kool-aide, Mike. You are listening to people who have gone so over the top with their anti-Woke sentiments that they have extended it to include anybody who protests against war crimes.

This isn't a West versus East problem. Nor is it right against left. It's top versus bottom. It's power versus powerlessness.

There is no Muslim invasion. That's just not happening. The other thing too, is Gaza has the highest educational standing, on average, of all Arab nations. With advanced education, people become more enlightened, not less.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
I prefer to be on the side that cares about the least among us. The innocents below, are the least among us.

If you care about starving and abused animals on DoDo videos, you should care about human children, like these Gazans, forced to endure this kind of Hell.

Enough spiritual bypassing. Being human is about feeling all emotions, not just "positive" ones. And without justice, there can be no peace, let alone love.



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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2

I care about the starving American children. That's where all my caring energy goes.

Starving AMERICAN children. Listen to yourself. It's unbelievable how far you've fallen.

[Mike]

It's perfectly okay to protest war crimes Jess. But it's not obvious to me that war crimes are being committed ..and even if they are there's nothing I can do about it.

I focus on things I can do something about.

If you don't think there's a Muslim invasion you're just not paying attention.

I don't care how educated Gaza is or isn't, because I just don't really care about Gaza. I wouldn't want to live there or visit there in a million years. I'd sooner live in Nebraska.

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
I prefer to be on the side that cares about the least among us. The innocents below, are the least among us.

If you care about starving and abused animals on DoDo videos, you should care about human children, like these Gazans, forced to endure this kind of Hell.

Enough spiritual bypassing. Being human is about feeling all emotions, not just "positive" ones. And without justice, there can be no peace, let alone love.



¤=[Post Update]=¤

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...a-famine#img-2

I care about the starving American children. That's where all my caring energy goes.

Starving AMERICAN children. Listen to yourself. It's unbelievable how far you've fallen.

There's nothing I can do about starving children anywhere else.

[AutumnW]

There is something you can do about starving children though, albeit indirectly. You can read more broadly so you aren't as susceptible to propaganda put out by the powerful, who don't give a **** about their own people, let alone foreigners. There is NOT a Muslim invasion. Where are they then? Do you know many? I doubt it. You're in Florida. I'd think you'd be more aware and more sensitive to a Zionist invasion, in terms of threat.

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
There is something you can do about starving children though, albeit indirectly. You can read more broadly so you aren't as susceptible to propaganda put out by the powerful, who don't give a **** about their own people, let alone foreigners. There is NOT a Muslim invasion. Where are they then? Do you know many? I doubt it. You're in Florida. I'd think you'd be more aware and more sensitive to a Zionist invasion, in terms of threat.

I'd rather help them directly. No amount of reading will allow me to help Gazan children.

The beauty of being an American, particularly under Trump, is I don't have to worry about the Muslim invasion. I can't say that about the rest of the world.

You'll have to tell me exactly what you mean by a Zionist invasion. Because I don't see illegal Zionist immigrants flooding into Europe and elsewhere, I see Muslim ones.

[snow]

Last time I checked, apartheid was not congruent with democracy.

[Michel Leclerc]

Moderators please remove this posting. My opinion about its usefulness has changed.

Thank you.

Mod edit: okay, I'll arrange that for you. Personally, I value your always thoughtful contributions. Shame we don't get to see this one - TQ (Tintin)

[Johnnycomelately]

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/ass...8&d=1742024478

[AutumnW]

Posted by Mike (here)
It's perfectly okay to protest war crimes Jess. But it's not obvious to me that war crimes are being committed ..and even if they are there's nothing I can do about it.

I focus on things I can do something about.

If you don't think there's a Muslim invasion you're just not paying attention.

I don't care how educated Gaza is or isn't, because I just don't really care about Gaza. I wouldn't want to live there or visit there in a million years. I'd sooner live in Nebraska.

You're so deep in the ****, I don't think anyone will ever be able to pull you out. I'm certainly not going to try.

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
It's perfectly okay to protest war crimes Jess. But it's not obvious to me that war crimes are being committed ..and even if they are there's nothing I can do about it.

I focus on things I can do something about.

If you don't think there's a Muslim invasion you're just not paying attention.

I don't care how educated Gaza is or isn't, because I just don't really care about Gaza. I wouldn't want to live there or visit there in a million years. I'd sooner live in Nebraska.

You're so deep in the ****, I don't think anyone will ever be able to pull you out. I'm certainly not going to try.

Well that's not very nice!

Maybe you're missing my point. Just as a quick example, what do you think would go further towards creating a better world..protesting in the streets and ranting and raving on chat boards about a war on the other side of the world you can do nothing about, or going out into your immediate community and volunteering your time at a soup kitchen or something similar? Or just offering some $ to a homeless guy?

Here's another question. Answer if you dare: Would you rather have Muslim neighbors or Christian neighbors? Muslim neighbors or Jewish neighbors? And why?

I just think the world would be a much better place if 1) countries adopted democratic capitalism and emphasized free speech, 2) countries protected their borders, 3) subsidized countries became self-sufficient 4) everyone took care of their own first and foremost, beginning with their immediate families/communities/ countries and slowly moving outward as energy allows 5) radical Islamist countries were contained. I don't really think any of that is at all controversial.

You imagine you're somehow more caring and compassionate than I am, but it's just a fundamental difference in philosophy.