It's not the truth.

The one truth is a very good question with a broad range of understandings and conclusions.

So here goes, there is no such thing as truth, it cannot be, ones belief is not a truth, ones faith is not a truth, even thoughts are not truth, what one sees is not a truth, what one feels is not a truth.

The only thing that could be called the truth is the unchanging, something that never changes ever, that would be a truth of a true state, now think about the unchanging, what is there that never changes, in physical matter everything keep changing its state, therefore it cannot be a truth.

The only truth is ZERO state, a nothing, all else is added, a belief becomes a truth for somebody, its a belief, its not a truth. You can change your beliefs on a day to day basis and prove to yourself that what was true yesterday is not the truth today. Mind is not a truth, its a creator, therefore there cannot be a right or a wrong, good or bad, as its just a belief, and belief is not a truth. God is not a truth, one may be psychologically more stable in an emergency for instance by believing in a support by a God, but it not a truth, its a belief, and a belief in a God has made us all to be manipulated, and its not a truth.

What you believed as a child has changed to what you know now and in what you believe now, its not a truth, it a belief.

Mind creates what you believe, what you have created with mind is not a truth, its a belief. You cannot change the Matrix, you can only manipulate it, within it, you can add nothing, you manipulate of what is, but its not a truth.

The hidden gift of humanity is belief, for whatever you believe in, you will create, but its not a truth, it a belief, a forever changing function of creation by mind, by your beliefs, but its not the truth its a belief.

All the opinions and all the knowledge are nothing more than here-say that is believed in, and mind creates it into reality, but its not a truth, its an accepted belief.

The system is designed to unify all of humanity’s beliefs for the system manipulation.

The system proposes that they are the holders of the truth, they are in fact holders of your beliefs, which is not a truth, but we believe them, therefore we are bound to them by a belief, which is not the truth.

Decide what it is that you wish to believe in, and it shall be the truth for you, but its a belief only, its not a, or the truth.

Re-examine your truths and your beliefs, figure out what has been placed inside of you, and what you have placed inside of you, what limits have you placed on yourself, and what limits has the system placed into you. Change your belief, change your life, changes the world we live in.

we need to understand and re-evaluate everything as the media manipulation is getting stronger with dis-info, which will bring all of our consensus together as a belief, which will make changes here in this realm, which is not a truth, but our unified belief, not a truth.

roman.

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Hi Romanwkt and thanks for your thoughts.

My view..

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The only thing that never changes is your awareness and that is who you are.

You are the silent awareness, the nothingness the formless being or as some say the consciousness.

The rest is form as in objects as are your mind and the thoughts who made up this life story.

You are the awareness that watches your thought as it arise, when the thought is there and after the thought.
realize this and you know who you already are.


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Hi Romanwkt and thanks for your thoughts.

My view..

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The only truth is ZERO state, a nothing, all else is added

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The only thing that never changes is your awareness and that is who you are.

You are the silent awareness, the nothingness the formless being or as some say the consciousness.

The rest is form as in objects as are your mind and the thoughts who made up this life story.

You are the awareness that watches your thought as it arise, when the thought is there and after the thought.
realize this and you know who you already are.


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Hi 8

Very nicely put, and yes, as consciousnesses and of consciousness.

There is a lot of information here in the forum, all stating what the truth is, which it is not, these are things that we choose to believe in and as a group we will manifest it, or individually for ourselves. We must all realize the danger of believing what we read and listen to, re-access yourselves to what is the truth, which nothing is, its just a belief.

Lots of thing are being put out everywhere, which is the doing of mans mind, be it negative or positive, through our beliefs as being so or the truth, will bring this belief into manifestation by the uninformed humanity.

We are at a dangerous times, and the review of what is and what is not, is very important, as the system is now placing all the dis-info that they had pushed out for years are to be put into action now, by them.

regards

roman

Very interresting Romanwyt and most of what you quote seems to come from the laberynth of the mind but is not as you say truth, hence 'Never Mind'.....

Each individuel creates thru the spoken word , though it starts with a thought.

3—Imagine what you want
2—Let non-physical bring it into existence
1—Add details

Something Dr Carolyn Dean said the othernight , that the whole universe is captured within each cell of the body , meaning I think that within our
holographic existance the vastness of space can also be captured in the tiniest of places....

I am well into the Ion material and have a current thread up of last weeks show and he is opened my 'mind' to a world much different
than the 3 D controlled world we think we are in....

As you say all the statements you said in the first post have validity to some degree and make sence....imo


Is the Ion material Truth ? or another belief for the individual to ponder ? I don't think we will no the answer to that in this matrix...

The essence of the material is we are all 'wonderfull individual Human creators' who for contrast cast off our 'Godship' to experiance
the physical,we left clues all over the place so we could find our way back.Now thru the digital meme and cold fusion we are able to
reconnect with our non-physical andcome back into our power......There a lot more to it than that,but in the context of this thread.
Is this just another belief or the truth ?.....

There is no answer to this question as you said a belieth is not a truth and a truth is not nessaccery a belieth....

I don't know if this came over right , I saw an answer in my mind when I read your post, but I'm not sure if what I wrote is the same..LOL..'Never mind'..

Still a good brain teaser for sunday....Steve

If we are going to spend our life's believing that Gods, Angels, Aliens, are going to save us, from whatever, think again. its not a truth, its a belief.

We have a name for every health condition that there is, believe in it, then its yours, you shall own it, but its not the truth, its a belief.

We all believe in a system run by money and governments, we have given our power away to them, now we don't know what to do to change it, without a great amount of damage. We believe we cant step out of this. its a belief, its not the truth.

When 90% of the population believe all that they are told via governments, religious authorities, and medias so called news, then we see the problems that we are facing, that in its reality don't exist, as shortages world wide, which will bring on starvation and ruin to the masses, all created by people who control our beliefs, but its not a truth.

Yes they have plans for the Masses, but we need to awake as many as possible, it has to be now or never, their overhaul beliefs as a mass will affect all of us on this plane, no matter how awake we think we are. We can take individual action, but you cant escape the masses, or the direction many of us will be forced to take.

This is belief in action, but its not a truth.

regards
roman

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Thats something Ion says ..there was no disease untill we named it ......I fully understand the 3 D world and all the lies and intrigues going on...

I post them everyday !! and I am an athiest as far as religion goes..... The Ion material is not about religion it about who we really are but

some will have a differrent view on that , I fully except billions of us are manipulated thru religion ,governments, media and crooks every day

so its nice to be able to communicate with like minded people on forums like this....Normally down the pub such views are hard to express and

develop....

Isn't it just hard enough to know ourselves? How in the heck do we as individuals fit into the universe? We are seeking to know this truth - I am.

When we say awakening, we are using that to express many levels/dimensions/selves of awakening, I presume ... awakened to the truth.

I think awakening is like a chakra awakening. Root to crown. Steve, perhaps that info from Caroline about the universe being in each cell is the awakening of the crown chakra (or the chakras beyond).

So, if I don't grasp truth, then I really can't grasp anything about myself except that which is primal. And so I seek to know.

My conclusion (which may or may not be your point to the thread, RomanKWT) is that I must seek truth in order to know myself. And I get to enjoy the process of discovery --- which can be as detailed or simple as I want to make it. My truth should not affect your truth unless you are on the same "wavelength".

Hi Cidersomerset

The technicalities of what you are saying is not a truth but a belief about the subject, I also could not give a dam what Dr Carolyn Dean thinks, that her belief. what I am interested is the person that answered this post, and what he/she thinks, I see you had something that came to you when you read it, that's what I wanted, its what you think about belief and what is truth.

Thank you Cidersomerset

regards
roman

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Isn't it just hard enough to know ourselves? How in the heck do we as individuals fit into the universe? We are seeking to know this truth - I am.

When we say awakening, we are using that to express many levels/dimensions/selves of awakening, I presume ... awakened to the truth.

I think awakening is like a chakra awakening. Root to crown. Steve, perhaps that info from Caroline about the universe being in each cell is the awakening of the crown chakra (or the chakras beyond).

So, if I don't grasp truth, then I really can't grasp anything about myself except that which is primal. And so I seek to know.

My conclusion (which may or may not be your point to the thread, RomanKWT) is that I must seek truth in order to know myself. And I get to enjoy the process of discovery --- which can be as detailed or simple as I want to make it. My truth should not affect your truth unless you are on the same "wavelength".

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Hi Alie

Firstly we all are on the same wave length, its called our consciousness, if we could but clear the belief garbage within us, we would all be talking to each other with our minds. I say seek all you want of what you call the truth, but the understanding is that it will become your belief eventually, so seek find, dump, if it does not suit your purpose.

Thank you Alie

regards
roman

Hi Roman:

It's good to see you posting again!

Seems to me that everything is just a "program" that's running and perpetuated by the belief systems of the masses. I reckon when enough "Neos" start realizing that and awaken to that fact, the system will be overcome. Until then, we do what we can.

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This is the quote that made me think of Dr Dean ,I think it might be that each individual persons universe is already programmed into your cell like a holographic tenplate.
There is no such thing as time , just one vast now and the past and the future are going on similtainiously, so ineffect you cannot change the matrix only manuipulate it
as you said...

Ali..

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That makes sence....But its mindblowing to me....Steve

The Universe being in each of ones cells is part of our DNA codes that uphold our physical reality here in the Matrix.

regards
roman


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There are billions of cells/neurons in the human, that even consciousness is in question, as all these cells and neurons create a spacial (space) effect to us as a feeling of universal consciousness.

It is said that without belief you will not survive in the Matrix, you will not find the food that you need, you will not find the water that you seek, you will not create the rain for your crops.

You will not make it proper in the system that we support, you will believe in their limitation for you.

You as a community will starve from all that is, if the belief of the community needs is not there.

You will not move forwards and grow if the belief towards a goal is not there.

You're existence will be static when you don't choose your road by belief.

All that you will attain while here, will be because of your belief.

HUMAN POTENTIAL IS THROUGH BELIEF. Have you chosen, or was your life and servitude chosen for you??

regards
roman

The only real truth is who you already are.

Know thyself and the rest will unfold, is perhaps the most important statement ever made, (as a thought that is)
This goes against what most of us are conditioned to think, because "The TRUTH IS OUT THERE" ...RIGHT??
So our mind keeps us running the hamster wheel gathering more information (left brain)
But it's not all for nothing, it's to wear us out and if you're lucky you stop and start to go within yourself, where the only truth was all along.
And you might get these last years of your life in harmony and peace..


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You have to clear yourself from limiting beliefs if you are going to expand you potential, you have to create a clear vessel to impose new potential through your visualization and eventual belief.

Use this https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...onsense-part-1 to create a belief in clearing, then when mastered, dump it.

You are and can be and do and have it all, as long as you believe, but its not a truth, its your creation using your mind, which will create the belief, which will become manifest for you here, but that's a belief in truth and truth is a belief.

regards
roman

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The only real truth is who you already are.

Know thyself and the rest will unfold, is perhaps the most important statement ever made, (as a thought that is)
This goes against what most of us are conditioned to think, because "The TRUTH IS OUT THERE" ...RIGHT??
So our mind keeps us running the hamster wheel gathering more information (left brain)
But it's not all for nothing, it's to wear us out and if you're lucky you stop and start to go within yourself, where the only truth was all along.
And you might get these last years of your life in harmony and peace..


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Well said 8, that exactly it.

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The only truth is ZERO state, a nothing, all else is added, a belief becomes a truth for somebody, its a belief, its not a truth.

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God is not a truth, one may be psychologically more stable in an emergency for instance by believing in a support by a God, but it not a truth, its a belief, and a belief in a God has made us all to be manipulated, and its not a truth.

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Nice post, Roman. I don't have time to fully respond to your fun brain teaser of a post, but I'll comment on a couple of things.


It's a common misconception that what reality is and who/what we are emerges from a "ZERO state, a nothing" when nothing could be further from the truth ... and such a truth exists independently from anyone's perception of that truth.


The apparent "zero state, a nothing" is really the field of Unity, the Source Field from which we all emerge into the worlds of maya in which we get to learn all sorts of lessons through experiences that are shaped by the beliefs that we hold dear in our minds.


So you are right, Roman -- beliefs create your reality, just like how Seth in the Seth Material says repeatedly: "Your beliefs create your reality".


But we DON'T emerge from nothing -- we emerge from a Unity Field, a Source Field that is called all sorts of names ... God, All That Is, Intelligent Infinity, etc.


That is a truth that exists outside of our perceptions.

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Yes, humanity has been very vulnerable to manipulation because of the strong orange-ray body (animal, which is 2nd density consciousness) overlay that is predominant in the bulk of society as we know it.


Animals, the 2nd density creatures, tend to follow leaders when they congregate together, so this trait has strongly influenced the human, 3rd density experiences in which we are supposed to individuate and grow strongly in our minds in our paths to discern truth from distortions.


Then when a human mind/body/spirit complex starts to peel away the layers of belief that shapes one's reality, one is reduced to the essential component of who we are -- which is that we are consciousness/spirit taking on temporal physical form on paths of learning/discerning truths in our efforts to peel off the layers of old, worn-out beliefs that once shaped our realities to reach the point of being able to graduate from the 3rd density experiences into our next level -- 4th density of experiences.


Again, 3rd density, 4th density, etc, exist outside of our belief systems -- in other words, they are true, whether you believe that, or not.


~Mozart

A good clip, my friend..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=P-wX7KWOYGs

https://youtube.com/watch?v=P-wX7...eature=related


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The only truth is ZERO state, a nothing, all else is added, a belief becomes a truth for somebody, its a belief, its not a truth.

<snip>

God is not a truth, one may be psychologically more stable in an emergency for instance by believing in a support by a God, but it not a truth, its a belief, and a belief in a God has made us all to be manipulated, and its not a truth.

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Nice post, Roman. I don't have time to fully respond to your fun brain teaser of a post, but I'll comment on a couple of things.


It's a common misconception that what reality is and who/what we are emerges from a "ZERO state, a nothing" when nothing could be further from the truth ... and such a truth exists independently from anyone's perception of that truth.


The apparent "zero state, a nothing" is really the field of Unity, the Source Field from which we all emerge into the worlds of maya in which we get to learn all sorts of lessons through experiences that are shaped by the beliefs that we hold dear in our minds.


So you are right, Roman -- beliefs create your reality, just like how Seth in the Seth Material says repeatedly: "Your beliefs create your reality".


But we DON'T emerge from nothing -- we emerge from a Unity Field, a Source Field that is called all sorts of names ... God, All That Is, Intelligent Infinity, etc.


That is a truth that exists outside of our perceptions.

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The system is designed to unify all of humanity’s beliefs for the system manipulation.

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Yes, humanity has been very vulnerable to manipulation because of the strong orange-ray body (animal, which is 2nd density consciousness) overlay that is predominant in the bulk of society as we know it.


Animals, the 2nd density creatures, tend to follow leaders when they congregate together, so this trait has strongly influenced the human, 3rd density experiences in which we are supposed to individuate and grow strongly in our minds in our paths to discern truth from distortions.


Then when a human mind/body/spirit complex starts to peel away the layers of belief that shapes one's reality, one is reduced to the essential component of who we are -- which is that we are consciousness/spirit taking on temporal physical form on paths of learning/discerning truths in our efforts to peel off the layers of old, worn-out beliefs that once shaped our realities to reach the point of being able to graduate from the 3rd density experiences into our next level -- 4th density of experiences.


Again, 3rd density, 4th density, etc, exist outside of our belief systems -- in other words, they are true, whether you believe that, or not.


~Mozart

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Hi Mozart

I see you're quoting other people about something you supposedly know yourself, we are into mechanic again, and just because somebody has said so should mean more to me here than you own conclusion, I want to hear you, and by your example of what somebody had said, I believe that's what they believe, which is fine by me, its their choice.

When you turn off the mind and you are in a state of nothing, that's the zero state, all else outside of that state is your projection of your beliefs.

You create your reality by your projection of your beliefs in the matrix, and I did not know that Its a mind teaser when all is creation, created by mind, through your belief, then how could it be the truth?? when its just a creation?? and if the truth lies beyond the conscious state, so be it, what difference, its still all a mind/consciousness/////belief/truth, all nonexistent. lot of mechanics to a simple understanding.

regards to you Mozart

roman

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A good clip, my friend..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=P-wX7KWOYGs

https://youtube.com/watch?v=P-wX7...eature=related


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Thank you 8 she makes the point of zero state, and all else is outside of this is nonsense, belief/creation/truth/ NOT.

REGARDS TO YOU 8
roman

I hate bloody videos, means nothing to me, every one has an opinion, based on their belief, which is what?????

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Regards to you, Roman, as well. I like your politeness.


No, I'm not quoting other people. I'm stating things that are truths that exist outside of our perceptions ... and of my own perception as well, but what I'm saying is that my POV (others call it a "belief system") is that the evidence of the truths that exist outside of my field of perception is vast, so I have the choice of accepting those truths (per the Ra Material, for example) as facts of life as we know it in our universe, or not.


The Ra Social Memory Complex once trod their own paths of life in 3-D (both 3rd density and 3rd dimension, the former being a level of vibration and the latter being a location of vibration) and now they are up at 6-D with millions of years of conscious mental/emotional/spiritual growth.


So when they come in here and share with us information that's really amazing, paradigm-expanding and fitting tightly with facts of the Source Field as we now know it, we can either accept those truths of reality outside of our POV, or not. It does not matter either way that one chooses, as all choices are valid.


The key thing is that any belief system that if it is constructed of flawed perceptions, such a belief system will eventually crash and burn upon the hard rocks of reality.


Any belief system -- an expanded POV, for example, that takes in the best information available out there, no matter the source -- would endure the test of time if it's built upon good, reliable information from multiple sources, including one's own experiential-based information.


My POV is based on a number of sources and it's all based on the best information available out there -- and within myself, as well. I will discard in a heartbeat any portion of my POV if such a portion is proven to be not accurate or true.

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When you turn off the mind and you are in a state of nothing, that's the zero state, all else outside of that state is your projection of your beliefs.

and I did not know that Its a mind teaser when all is creation, created by mind, through your belief, then how could it be the truth??

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I meant "mind teaser" in a positive sense, in the sense of thinking of what you said. Nothing negative.


And when you "turn off the mind" -- such a thing is not possible. The mind, by nature, is always churning, turning; always on the move. So the trick is is simply to step out of the river of thoughts that the mind is and to go into that "zero" field that you mention ... but it's really not "zero" at all ... it's yet another field of energy that emerges from the Source Field, from which we all emerge.


And there's proof of that. The famous Faraday Cage experiment, in which the scientists shut down everything that could possibly vibrate in 3-D as we know it, yet when everything got shut down, the recording gauges went off the charts, big-time.


So the "zero" point field is really teeming with energy.


~Mozart

Truth may be just the most ''reasonable'' option out of many possible from a certain point of view. Thats why our truths change everyday, what we held as truth yeasterday becomes old news today, that point of view changes. Now, it is in that ''reasonable'' word above that our knowledge helps,and its personal, but also there is another ingredient beside pure knowledge, its the filtering process, and the structure of this filter depends on our beliefs. This filter is particular for everyone, and the interesting thing is that we always see the filtered portion of the ''raw'' material (truth), even if we would like or convince ourselves it is still the truth.

Even when one is quite ''advanced'' in his/her Self-enquiry process, there is always some kind of belief residue somwhere between him and the truth, even thinking you are without beliefs is a belief in itself. Depending on the kind of filter one have the result will be different, even just in a small percentage. Even the size, shape of the filter's holow spaces would make a big diference, in deciding what ''pieces'' of the raw material, in what size and shape , come through. If one has a rigid filter structure, a thick net of beliefs and their connections, the end result of this ''truth creation'' would be ''thinner'' than the original source,poor in content, predictable, and as we can see only the end result we wouldn't even know what this raw material relly ''looked'' like before filtered.

So when we ''fight'' for our truths in fact we are just comparing filters, as no one , i repeat no one really knows the true nature of the raw material, some maybe have a less rigid fiter structure, so maybe they get a ''better picture'' of what was there before filtering, but stll remains a ''filtered version'', and sometimes even if you mised a single''grain'' from the original material you never know how its ''missed'' presence affects the version of truth you hold.

The sad ''truth''....:)... is all this illusion we are immersed in for the sake of learning is already built upon ''filtered'' material, we just filter it more , densities ,3D, 4D, 5D and so on .. are just tags for filter degree, the higher the ''D'' number you are in the more truth is allowd to be percived by you, the rest is just theories upon theories based on what remains , what reaches us, and if to the already so much filtered material that reaches us we add a ''rigid'' mind than what we are left is ''a joke'', upon wich entire life stories, dramas, joys,and sorrows are built. Whatever you think is the truth remember its just an interpretation based on what you are left with to consider, ''truth'' is just ''the best you can do'' at a certain moment after all variabels like knowledge, personality, convenince ...etc are added to the equation, and not everyone is equally able to solve equations, some dont even bother, they just copy and accept results of others ( not thinking on their own ),

Well, i dont know at all what the ultimate truth is , and i know whatever i may come up with is just what i ''wish'' it was at that moment, so all i can do is enjoy the ''solving'' process, being ready for whatever result comes out, glad at least that this is allowed to us , as we are being ''filtered'' from every direction, every one from this and other dimensions want to sell us their own ''filters'' , the Salesman's Federation of Light, or ...lies, whatever.

Hi Mozart

Again, what can I say, you are still quoting peoples finds that you choose to believe in, sound like Wilcocks new book, Source Field. The Ra Material I have read all long time ago, yes and?? we are dealing with the working of a creative mind, all is possible, still doesn't mean its a truth.

We are all free to choose what we believe in, or other will do it for you. If you choose to believe in ascension, that's your choice, if you choose to believe that there are other powers involved outside yourself, that again is your choice.

The zero state that I am trying to describe is a state were there is no push and pull, no swinging to the left or right, a state of balance, when that is achieved, you are then at your most powerful stance, having cleared yourself of negative beliefs prior to this stance, you are now in the position in this state to use your mind for manifesting changes to you reality.

That creation is based on your belief which will become a truth in your life as your reality, but its not a truth, its a creation, as all else is, all down to belief.

You can work with mechanic, or you can do this for yourself and prove to yourself.

Thank you for you kind comment Mozart

regards
roman

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Isn't it just hard enough to know ourselves? How in the heck do we as individuals fit into the universe? We are seeking to know this truth - I am.

When we say awakening, we are using that to express many levels/dimensions/selves of awakening, I presume ... awakened to the truth.

I think awakening is like a chakra awakening. Root to crown. Steve, perhaps that info from Caroline about the universe being in each cell is the awakening of the crown chakra (or the chakras beyond).

So, if I don't grasp truth, then I really can't grasp anything about myself except that which is primal. And so I seek to know.

My conclusion (which may or may not be your point to the thread, RomanKWT) is that I must seek truth in order to know myself. And I get to enjoy the process of discovery --- which can be as detailed or simple as I want to make it. My truth should not affect your truth unless you are on the same "wavelength".

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exactly!!
I think truth is not from the field of ZERO, but from the field of infinite 'all that is' – since each person has THEIR truth. They must have a way to filter (choose) down to a specific set of parameters for experiencing any one truth at any one time.

Since 'all that is' cannot exist in the same time and at the same space (the - 2 things can't be in the same place at the same time- kind of thing), we have to fracture time and space to be able to experience ALL things at the NOW time... hence we end up with a 3d dimensional spacial-oriented world and use a linear past-present-future fracture-reality time sequence.

EDIT: and when you look at your reality from a vibrational perspective (the chalkras); each vibrational experience is view as a separate reality (timeline/experience). So if you want to change your reality (truth) just change your vibration which will change your filters/parameters into a different experience level.

Very nicely put and written tonius, I can only agree with your view.

thank you
regards
roman

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Isn't it just hard enough to know ourselves? How in the heck do we as individuals fit into the universe? We are seeking to know this truth - I am.

When we say awakening, we are using that to express many levels/dimensions/selves of awakening, I presume ... awakened to the truth.

I think awakening is like a chakra awakening. Root to crown. Steve, perhaps that info from Caroline about the universe being in each cell is the awakening of the crown chakra (or the chakras beyond).

So, if I don't grasp truth, then I really can't grasp anything about myself except that which is primal. And so I seek to know.

My conclusion (which may or may not be your point to the thread, RomanKWT) is that I must seek truth in order to know myself. And I get to enjoy the process of discovery --- which can be as detailed or simple as I want to make it. My truth should not affect your truth unless you are on the same "wavelength".

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exactly!!
I think truth is not from the field of ZERO, but from the field of infinite 'all that is' – since each person has THEIR truth. They must have a way to filter (choose) down to a specific set of parameters for experiencing any one truth at any one time.

Since 'all that is' cannot exist in the same time and at the same space (the - 2 things can't be in the same place at the same time- kind of thing), we have to fracture time and space to be able to experience ALL things at the NOW time... hence we end up with a 3d dimensional spacial-oriented world and use a linear past-present-future fracture-reality time sequence.

EDIT: and when you look at your reality from a vibrational perspective (the chalkras); each vibrational experience is view as a separate reality (timeline/experience). So if you want to change your reality (truth) just change your vibration which will change your filters/parameters into a different experience level.

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Hi xbusymom

You were born zero, all else has been applied.

regards
roman

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Very nicely put and written tonius, I can only agree with your view.

thank you
regards
roman

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Isn't it just hard enough to know ourselves? How in the heck do we as individuals fit into the universe? We are seeking to know this truth - I am.

When we say awakening, we are using that to express many levels/dimensions/selves of awakening, I presume ... awakened to the truth.

I think awakening is like a chakra awakening. Root to crown. Steve, perhaps that info from Caroline about the universe being in each cell is the awakening of the crown chakra (or the chakras beyond).

So, if I don't grasp truth, then I really can't grasp anything about myself except that which is primal. And so I seek to know.

My conclusion (which may or may not be your point to the thread, RomanKWT) is that I must seek truth in order to know myself. And I get to enjoy the process of discovery --- which can be as detailed or simple as I want to make it. My truth should not affect your truth unless you are on the same "wavelength".

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exactly!!
I think truth is not from the field of ZERO, but from the field of infinite 'all that is' – since each person has THEIR truth. They must have a way to filter (choose) down to a specific set of parameters for experiencing any one truth at any one time.

Since 'all that is' cannot exist in the same time and at the same space (the - 2 things can't be in the same place at the same time- kind of thing), we have to fracture time and space to be able to experience ALL things at the NOW time... hence we end up with a 3d dimensional spacial-oriented world and use a linear past-present-future fracture-reality time sequence.

EDIT: and when you look at your reality from a vibrational perspective (the chalkras); each vibrational experience is view as a separate reality (timeline/experience). So if you want to change your reality (truth) just change your vibration which will change your filters/parameters into a different experience level.

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Hi xbusymom

You were born zero, all else has been applied.

regards
roman

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exactly! I was born ME (chosen for/by me was ... gender, race, nationality, economic class, timeline, etc... ) which is nothing but a chosen set of filters/ parameters to experience a specific fracture of a certain 'reality' or truth-piece of the infinate 'all that is'.

xbusymom you are free to believe all the nonsense you want, I am easy.

regards to you
roman

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Romanwkt:
Very nicely put and written tonius, I can only agree with your view.

thank you
regards
roman

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my 'nonsense' is just a condensed version of what tonious said... so why is there 'all praise' for him and I get a patronizing 'whatever you say dear' pat on the head...??

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Romanwkt:
Very nicely put and written tonius, I can only agree with your view.

thank you
regards
roman

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my 'nonsense' is just a condensed version of what tonious said... so why is there 'all praise' for him and I get a patronizing 'whatever you say dear' pat on the head...??

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Hi xbusymom I so sorry if it came across that way, but this past life business???, and your choosing your life???? all hypothetical nonsense. tonius talks about belief filters that we all carry, and possible changes as we move on, which is also hypothetical, as all is, I tend to view this in a more psychological stance than unprovable theory, as we are all battling with.

Apologies for sounding rude xbusymom

my regards to you
roman

If you all believe in reincarnation prove it, if you all believe in lessons to be learn here, prove it, if you all believe you come here with a removed past, prove it, if there is a God in your life prove it, if there are aliens prove it, if you all believe in ascension prove it, I can go on and on, most haven't a leg to stand on this matter, thats why I call it nonsense, I deal with what I can to some extent prove, I don't know about the rest.

We as humanity are caught in a conspiratorial world against us, this is starring in your faces, if you wish to spend your lives in cloud cuckoo land that's your choice and your right to believe this, other wise we better deal with what we know, not what somebody told us with not an ounce of proof, and no way of getting any, we seem to be a mouth piece for others, write what you know, write what you can explain to your best ability about what the truth may be, and how we are misdirected with some unprovable spiritual and channeling nonsense that not one of us can prove, this IS nonsense.

Regards to all as ever
roman

All this in some aspect shows my ignorance, that many thing stated daily here are manufactured nonsense that many fall for, with nothing to back any word said. I don't think we are dumb here, we all have an inquiring mind, but we have to use discernment with all subject, there has to be at least one person here that can prove something of the countless insinuation about the spiritual and psychological aspect of our nature and our origin as a species with consciousness.

again regards to all
roman

Hi Romanwkt, about this.

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every one has an opinion, based on their belief, which is what?????

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The mind give you thoughts based on the information you have gatherd, with emotions sometimes.
It's how an human being operate in this world, everyone got their own story (based on thoughts and emotions)
People love stories and are easily sucked into the drama thanks to our conditioning as thoughts and emotions.

Thoughts and emotions are so seductive and most people are not aware of their unconscious thoughts and emotions that they have been conditioned with throughout their life.
Try to explain this and most of the people can't understand what you are talking about.

My experience is that you have gone through a shift in your consciousness, as I did a while back.
This is great news actually, because now you are able to clear up most of your conditioned thought pattern.
And by doing so, you create more space between your thoughts, this means you get peace by the silence in your mind.

I have used guides as Eckhart Tolle, Gangaji and Mooji, just to name a few who don't add more information.
But they actually help you to clear your mind and this brings peace within yourself.

This is of course just one suggestion, it's of course up to you. But It's simple, suffer or peace, the choice is yours.
As I wrote this, my mind is quiet. Most of my thoughts and emotional baggage is gone.

It's a new chapter in this experience and I am blessed, because there are not many who experience this.


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I would like to state, that my only interest is in human potential, not human BS. All of your potential comes from the belief that you carry, even the paranormal which is normal, is instigated through your belief system, you have to remove the junk that has been passed on to you from many places including here, and then find the clear balance within you to start yourself on the road to whatever that you have a burn for, all the monks throughout the world clear themselves to attain the positive aspect of natural disbelief of possibilities, you have to do the same, there is a very fine balance of what is possible and what is not, your mind in a clear and balanced state has to subtly accept the impossible to become possible. why the hell have they made a bloody religion out of this knowledge???????? Question that one you guys, OK it a secret from us the morons, oh yes only for the brotherhood. They are all hiding this from you, in enclosures, so nobody that has not joined some stupid order, will never find the truth about the true use of ourr belief, which is not a truth, its created, it a belief.

regards
roman

Roman,
I did not think you were rude, sorry I came off that way, I was just curious as to why, with the same info discussed differently, he got one attitude and I got another attitude.

I never said anything about reincarnation, life-lessons, etc (or at least I TRIED to keep them out of the discussion). I was trying to address the filter aspect only. The human consensus across the world is that each person has a soul/spirit, and however/whereever they are born into this world - they have filters placed on their reality by their parents and community while they are growing up... and as people further develop their cognitive reasoning abilities, they create other more sophisticated filters based upon their own experiences as their 'reality'. It IS all about CHOICES BEING PERSONAL TRUTHS. … much the same way someone has a truth that a meal of liver and onions tastes good (to them).

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Roman,
I did not think you were rude, sorry I came off that way, I was just curious as to why, with the same info discussed differently, he got one attitude and I got another attitude.

I never said anything about reincarnation, life-lessons, etc (or at least I TRIED to keep them out of the discussion). I was trying to address the filter aspect only. The human consensus across the world is that each person has a soul/spirit, and however/whereever they are born into this world - they have filters placed on their reality by their parents and community while they are growing up... and as people further develop their cognitive reasoning abilities, they create other more sophisticated filters based upon their own experiences as their 'reality'. It IS all about CHOICES BEING PERSONAL TRUTHS. … much the same way someone has a truth that a meal of liver and onions tastes good (to them).

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My apologies xbusymom, in that case I agree with you on the content here, I got it somewhat different wrongly from the other post of yours. So what about your human potential how are you directing yourself towards the only thing that you can do in this realm while you still live, whats your target, and what do you think are your obstacles to that target, we seem to be looking for peace, not action in this matrix, life of peace is a state of mind, is that what we are really here for?????????

Thank again xbusymom and sorry for the misunderstanding,

regards to you
roman

To give a different perspective on past lives and reincarnation...(unable to resist as this expression rarely has a chance to make itself known and Roman as usual has brought up some highly advanced ORIGIN-al expression here.

What is a past life?

When did you experience the past live ?

A) I didn't experience the past life it was something told to me by a 2nd party.
(no self evidence of past live experience)


B) I had an experience of circumstances that were not in alignment within the framework of my perceptual reality.

---all of our past lives are coincidentally experienced in the present.

so where does that leave us.....NOW?

Hello ROMANWKT,

You do not know how right you are, you are far closer to knowing than you can appreciate, when we are born we have no beliefs, no hopes, no fears and above all no intellect. We are a clean sheet ready for corruption, we are then put through a process of so called education, a systematic corruption to control your very thoughts,. Everything that we know or have learned is based upon someone else's thoughts of the subject, many things are given as proof of the truth to what you are told, dates, (no proof)accounts from the scene,( not proof ) photographs, ( not proof .) Yet because you are told by a teacher, a religious person, a medical person, a prime minister, a president, it"s accepted as the truth. The big problem that we all have is how to sort out the truth from fiction. There must be a starting point at which we can undo all this corruption, if you think about what you know, and can say for a fact that it is truth then count them up and make a physical note of it, remember it must be truth, go way back to your earliest days of learning and look to see what you think is truth and then look at why you know it's truth.If it's something that you were told, then you do not know that it is truth. All that you have learned at school, high School, collage, university or the highest academy the world if you like, you will find you can't say for a fact that you have been given the truth. As for beliefs, they are based upon what you wish for or what is acceptable to your current mode of thought and do not have sound foundation, we spend most of our lives either wishing, hoping or believing that which is not a reality which is the same as idealism, which again is based upon something that has not yet happened and people put their belief into this form of so called truth.
The only truth that you have is the truth that you brought with you from our Ancient Home, which is the same Home you will return to. This truth is known as Divine Inner Knowledge and is obtainable through the process known as The Steps to Knowledge, this is truth in all it's essence and can be found at this link :- http://www.newmessage.orgI can assure you, you will learn the essence of all truth there.

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To give a different perspective on past lives and reincarnation...(unable to resist as this expression rarely has a chance to make itself known and Roman as usual has brought up some highly advanced ORIGIN-al expression here.

What is a past life?

When did you experience the past live ?

A) I didn't experience the past life it was something told to me by a 2nd party.
(no self evidence of past live experience)


B) I had an experience of circumstances that were not in alignment within the framework of my perceptual reality.

---all of our past lives are coincidentally experienced in the present.

so where does that leave us.....NOW?

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Hi 9eagle9

Well I hope you're not asking me to answer you with some silly notion that we are so eager to accept, that I had my memory removed so that I could experience and learn from scratch, not knowing anything of my past experiences, I the dumb one keep making the same mistake for a million years, and they send some old fogies here to remind me that I am making a mistake, who also doesn't remember that he/she was sent here to warn and help, then the crucify people trying to tell me I am making mistakes, and all the time I have learn t nothing, I am still making mistakes until they burn me or something, that a really good story for the trying to be educated.

is that what you wanted to hear??

Hallo and thanks 9eagle9

regards to you
roman

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Hello ROMANWKT,

You do not know how right you are, you are far closer to knowing than you can appreciate, when we are born we have no beliefs, no hopes, no fears and above all no intellect. We are a clean sheet ready for corruption, we are then put through a process of so called education, a systematic corruption to control your very thoughts,. Everything that we know or have learned is based upon someone else's thoughts of the subject, many things are given as proof of the truth to what you are told, dates, (no proof)accounts from the scene,( not proof ) photographs, ( not proof .) Yet because you are told by a teacher, a religious person, a medical person, a prime minister, a president, it"s accepted as the truth. The big problem that we all have is how to sort out the truth from fiction. There must be a starting point at which we can undo all this corruption, if you think about what you know, and can say for a fact that it is truth then count them up and make a physical note of it, remember it must be truth, go way back to your earliest days of learning and look to see what you think is truth and then look at why you know it's truth.If it's something that you were told, then you do not know that it is truth. All that you have learned at school, high School, collage, university or the highest academy the world if you like, you will find you can't say for a fact that you have been given the truth. As for beliefs, they are based upon what you wish for or what is acceptable to your current mode of thought and do not have sound foundation, we spend most of our lives either wishing, hoping or believing that which is not a reality which is the same as idealism, which again is based upon something that has not yet happened and people put their belief into this form of so called truth.
The only truth that you have is the truth that you brought with you from our Ancient Home, which is the same Home you will return to. This truth is known as Divine Inner Knowledge and is obtainable through the process known as The Steps to Knowledge, this is truth in all it's essence and can be found at this link :- http://www.newmessage.orgI can assure you, you will learn the essence of all truth there.

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HI Fredenit

I just looked at the front page of this website, and I see they got you too.

On the beginning of this post, would you read "its all nonsense part 2" and see if my nonsense is the same as this guys nonsense on that website.

I agree with you wholeheartedly about the programing we get from birth, but beyond that and up to the website link, you lost me.

thank you and regards
roman

Lol. No...it was an honest statement and it asks an honest question. Nor was it intended to be a trick question or bring up another subset of beliefs, or to even suggest that you are in error, I assure you its none of the above but simply a question...

You can answer or choose not to answer, but it does remain. Our past lives are experienced in the present. sooooo....again...where does that live us now...or rather where does it leave past lives at in the now?

And there may not be a readily available answer to this question, which is why it for NOW (lol) remains a question (instead of an answer)

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To give a different perspective on past lives and reincarnation...(unable to resist as this expression rarely has a chance to make itself known and Roman as usual has brought up some highly advanced ORIGIN-al expression here.

What is a past life?

When did you experience the past live ?

A) I didn't experience the past life it was something told to me by a 2nd party.
(no self evidence of past live experience)


B) I had an experience of circumstances that were not in alignment within the framework of my perceptual reality.

---all of our past lives are coincidentally experienced in the present.

so where does that leave us.....NOW?

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Hi 9eagle9

Well I hope you're not asking me to answer you with some silly notion that we are so eager to accept, that I had my memory removed so that I could experience and learn from scratch, not knowing anything of my past experiences, I the dumb one keep making the same mistake for a million years, and they send some old fogies here to remind me that I am making a mistake, who also doesn't remember that he/she was sent here to warn and help, then the crucify people trying to tell me I am making mistakes, and all the time I have learn t nothing, I am still making mistakes until they burn me or something, that a really good story for the trying to be educated.

is that what you wanted to hear??

Hallo and thanks 9eagle9

regards to you
roman

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Hehehe it wasn't a serious answer anyways 9eagle9, I am sure it will stay unanswered, I have many years ago followed family on documents that had children that remembered their past life, it was very interesting, and some scored very high in past knowledge which the reporters were able to verify, I always keep a open mind for all things, I am still waiting. for all the thing that I have said, I wait for somebody to slap me silly with some proof.

Thank you for that 9eagle9

regards to you
roman