Handling Entity Attachments — tips and hints (a condensed user manual)

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Dear All:

This thread is about ENTITY ATTACHMENTS. It was prompted by my awareness that quite a few Avalon members are encountering these, and trying to deal with them (sometimes heroically and without much support!); and there's more and more discussion about them in various places.

The Avalon Healers, of course, encounter these all the time. The 8 posts on this thread that follow are slightly edited copies of material I'd previously written, addressed specifically to assist and support the Healers. But all this may be much more widely relevant and useful to other members and guests as well.

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As an introduction to the entire subject, the BASIC thing to understand and always bear in mind is:

ENTITIES ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS.

That means: LIKE YOU AND ME.

Some of them were once even PEOPLE... like you and me.

But many of them have had some pretty terrible things happen to them. They may have been captured, implanted, abused, interfered with in any way you can imagine, fused together with other beings, or (sometimes) even created specially for an evil purpose. They can be tiny (microscopic!)... or sometimes very large and powerful indeed.

So we have to FREE them. Just as you and I want to be free. They have equal rights to their sanity, self-determinism and freedom, just as we all do.

The basic way to free a being — any being (including a human being!) — is to listen to their story, providing a totally safe, non-judgmental place for it to 'unload' and discharge.

REALLY listen.

What will NOT free any being at all is to use force, try to wrestle with it, fight it, hate it, 'banish' it, try to harm it, or lock it up in some virtual prison. That's not freedom! :)

There are many processes and procedures that will work to free beings. Those details are beyond the scope of this thread. The pointers which follow are aspects of this work that may not be widely known or understood by those taking on this very honorable (and sometimes challenging!) task.

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So here we go with the start of a bit of a user manual for freeing beings. If a new camera has a sometimes-handy user manual, for instance, then maybe healing sessions might at least have a bit of one.

So, to start, here's a little more information that may be helpful.

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This post contains more basics about FREEING BEINGS. That's a huge, huge subject, but I'll start here with one of the very universal basics.

Note: in the work you do, there are several components. Each of you will have different native abilities and ways in which you work best.

1. Perceiving priority situations.
2. Working with energies in general.
3. Communicating with individual beings to free them.

Each of these three areas is important, and in a team of healers each of you may have your own 'specialty'... what you naturally do best.

Sometimes, as a natural result of #2 (working with energies in general), you'll wake up and free up beings as part of a natural process.

But then what?

Sometimes the being will go "THANK YOU!" And then *Zappp*.... they're gone. You feel a moment of freedom and release, and realization... it's THEIRS, which you're perceiving telepathically.

You can acknowledge that... and then continue. It's not necessarily the end of the session. Just the end of the freeing process of that one being.

But sometimes, they do NOT go. They hang around. Like someone who's woken up from a deep sleep, and doesn't know yet quite what's going on. You have to [metaphorically!'] make them a strong coffee, and sit down and tell them what day it is and where they are. :)

A being who's not yet free, but is hanging around having woken up, can sometimes give you headaches, make you feel upset or confused, etc etc etc. It's just them wanting to know what's going on, and may be be banging on your head for help.

So here's what to do. You give them these basic orientations.

First, remind them of THE UNIVERSAL RIGHTS OF ALL BEINGS. This is a total basic, in all universes, for all time. There are no exceptions. It's a metaphysical axiom.

1. You have the absolute right to your own sanity and self-determinism.
2. You have the absolute right to do, or NOT do, anything you choose.
3. You have the absolute right to choose or make, or NOT choose or make, your own mission, project, purpose, or 'game'.

There are various ways of 'wording' this, but it's the concept that counts. You don't have to read this to them, or learn it by heart. You can just project it to them as a 'thought ball'. That will very often create the REMINDER to them that "AH!! I CAN BE FREE!!" It's totally simple.

There's more that you can do, as well. Sometimes, they need more, and this is what's next.

Explain to them what's going on. In general. Like...

1. This is Planet Earth, and here's where it is (show them a mental picture of the solar system, where it is in the galaxy, etc)
   
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2. Tell them WHEN it is. (Like Rip Van Winkle, they may have been asleep for a billion years or more.) Give them a Planet Earth year and date, and explain that to them.
3. Tell them about the battle of Good vs Evil on this planet (and everywhere else, too)
4. Tell them who you are, and who the group is, and what you're doing.

They may 'get' all this instantly, but still be unsure what to do next. This is important. If they're not clear what to do or where to go next (think of someone just released from prison, standing at the gates, looking around in bewilderment!), then the thing to do is to show them a 'menu of choices'. Here's an example:

1. You can help us wake up and free other beings.
2. You can help us reach out to everyone else and explain to them what's really going on.
3. (If they are a 'big being', like you and me...) You can take up a new body and be a human again, and pick up your purpose or mission from that viewpoint.
4. You can go anywhere else in the universe and do anything else you like!
5. (etc etc etc)

Many (most!) beings are naturally 'tuned' to help others (whatever has happened to them), and will jump on an opportunity to do something valuable and positive. If this interests them, then give them a BIG ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ("THANK YOU SO MUCH!!") and let them know they are valuable and very much appreciated.

Those steps (all of the above, in sequence), will very often free any being that's 'hanging around'.

There's much more, of course, and things to check and do if the above doesn't seem to work. But that's a very basic start that might be helpful.

:)

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In this post, here's something about the phenomenon of OVER-RUN.

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An OVER-RUN is a general term for when something goes on too long, and then kinda goes into reverse because of that.

One way to explain it is like when you're walking up a hill to the summit, in poor visibility. You need to recognize when you're at the top, because if you keep on going, you end up going downhill again, down the other side.

There's often a feeling that 'something's wrong', and it's not obvious what. The big mistake is to continue, feeling that whatever you're doing, or aiming for, is not complete. That just makes it worse.

The way to avoid this is to acknowledge when the goal is reached.

The way to REPAIR this is to acknowledge when the goal WAS reached.

It can be a serious issue, and sometimes a heavy one; it's not just a trivial thing. Occasionally, it can really mess things up quite badly.

Symptoms are (or can be) headaches turning on, a feeling of 'mass' or heaviness coming back in, not feeling so good after feeling very good at one peak point... etc etc.

You get the idea. It's like you felt really good, in some way keep on going, and then STOP feeling good, and then (if you STILL keep going), start feeling worse and worse and worse.

In a group process (or even an individual one), as in any therapy session, there's a thing that can be called the 'E.P', or 'End Phenomena'. They're like symptoms or indicators that you've got to a good point — like the 'top of the mountain', or at least THAT mountain.

Here are the end phenomena of any process:

1. 'Mass' erases, or moves away.
2. There's a subjective feeling of release.
3. There's realization of something (= new understanding).

There are ALWAYS those 3 components.

On an overrun, this goes into reverse:

1. Mass comes back in.
2. The feeling of release disappears, and one feels not so good again.
3. What felt like new understanding a moment ago turns into [some] confusion again.

The phrase that most people can easily understand is "make sure you quit when you're winning".

Fortunately, over-runs are easy to fix.

All you need to do is together identify the point when the E.P. happened. It's always a precise point. When you spot it exactly, you're instantly teleported back to the top of the mountain again. :)

Like: "Hey, it was that point when [so-and-so] said [such-and-such], and we all laughed and agreed. Remember? That must have been the E.P."

*BANG*... it's all better suddenly. :)

Here's a big clue (sometimes): when everyone starts laughing together, that's often the group E.P.

It ideally needs a group symbol.. like everyone Skype-texting a (highfive). That can be the acknowledgement, maybe.

You don't have to end the call, or all stop talking! You can STAY on top of the mountain and admire the view and take photos and have a picnic. Just don't keep on trying to GET to the top of the mountain when you're already there. Or else you end up somewhere else.

Note that anything at all can over-run (in 'normal' life). Not just in a counseling or healing session.

Anything which has a goal can over-run. Like, too much of a good thing, trying too hard, overdoing it, going on and on, etc etc etc. Maybe...

• A relationship
• An exercise program
• A wonderful meal
• A glass (or two) of wine
• Trying to heal something that's already healed (or trying to mend something in the house that's already fixed)
• ... even explaining something to somebody.

:)

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Here's more about FREEING BEINGS. This time, specifically about CREATED beings.

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Some beings have been CREATED by other beings. Most (but not all) of this happened long ago, when we were much more able than we are now.

A CREATED being is usually limited in some way, because it was usually created for a specific purpose. Here are some examples (and I'll also give one of my own, which is real):

• To go take a look at something (surveil or spy), and then report back with useful information. Some Remote Viewers operate this way, but they don't necessarily know it consciously.
• To go tell someone that you like them or want to attract their attention. (Ever had the experience of 'feeling' someone at a party who's admiring you? That may be little created beings that your admirer is unconsciously creating. They kind of come and tap you on the shoulder with a little message: "HEY! LOOK OVER THERE!" :) )
• On the Dark Side, DJINNS can be created beings.
• Here's my own example (true). I have a little team of created beings — they're very small, and there are 8 of them— with the specific job of alerting me to typos and tiny easy-to-miss mistakes in work I'm doing. They do a wonderful job for me. I discovered them about ten years back. They've been following me around (they're very loyal), and I think I created them hundreds of years ago when I was a Tibetan Buddhist lama working with manuscripts.

Because so much complexity has happened for so many millennia and longer, many of these created beings, long since lost or abandoned (but sometimes newly created and very much 'on mission') are tangled up in everything in various ways.

So here's how to handle them. You would do this in CONJUNCTION (before or after, doesn't matter) with the freeing steps I outlined in #2 above. Sometimes you realize they're created, and therefore need an extra step, when you do all of the above and they're still around. Or you can just ask them! (Really. Like, "Are you a created being?")

You offer them four choices/options:

1. Return to your moment of creation. (If they choose this, they IMMEDIATELY reintegrate with their creator.)
2. Go Free. (That sort of formally liberates them, or gives them 'permission', to not be dependent on their creator any longer.)
3. Wait 'outside of all the universes' until you decide what to do. (This is where they step off the entire huge 'playing field' until they decide what do to.)
4. Help me, or any other being or group, that's working for the good of others. (If they choose this, then you may need to offer or suggest a job or a menu of possible jobs for them. Or, like a careers counselor, ask them what they're interested in, and what they'd like to do. You kind of work it out with them in a short 'conversation'.)

Often, they will go *whooomf!* and disappear.. All fine. :)

There's another category of created beings which require an additional step. These are CLONED BEINGS.

A CLONED BEING (or 'clone' for short) is exactly the same as a created being described above, but is NOT so limited, and is an EXACT COPY of its creator. That may have been created to (for instance)

• Cause confusion or diversion among an enemy
• Go on a specific mission that requires intelligence or analysis, not just following specific orders
• Provide help or assistance to its creator on a mission, where (e.g.) the creator didn't have enough resources on hand.

The additional steps to free a clone are:

1. Ask it what purpose or mission it was created for.
2. Give it a VERY BIG ACKNOWLEDGMENT ("Hey, WOW, good job, that's fantastic!") Some of them can be like the Japanese soldier on the Pacific island that never realized the war was over. They may have done all kinds of astonishing things, not being totally informed or updated.
3. Tell it to go back to its creator, and debrief everything that happened since it was created — often quite a lot! — and then to come back to you again for the following steps. (That 'debrief' step can take anything between a few seconds to a minute or two.)

After that, do the four CREATED BEING steps/choices above.

Some notes:

• There are quite a lot of these beings around. They're very common.
• Many are quite small (sometimes microscopic), but some others can be really quite large.
• Created beings can be created both by good and evil beings (or beings who were following an evil purpose at the time). We have all created them ourselves.
• They can be benign and/or stuck, or active and causing problems of various kinds (deliberately or otherwise). All variations are possible.

More tomorrow... :)

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In post #3, I talked about OVER-RUN. Here, I'll say a little about OVER-RESTIMULATION.

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Over-restimulation is a simple concept. It's when too much is being woken up, or stirred up, all at once.

There's a child's game called Pick-Up Sticks. You may have played it.

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The idea is to pick up one stick, of high value, without disturbing any of the others.

In healing/counseling sessions, there can be exactly the same challenge. You want to heal, handle, or resolve, or free, one particular problem, situation or being, without stirring up everything else around at the same time.

There are no specific techniques. It's really about treading lightly, and — this is the key — FOCUSING your attention very precisely.

An analogy is like when you've lost a tennis ball in the long grass. You think you know where it is, but you're not quite sure.

If you get a big stick, or a scythe, and go thrashing the grass with a lot of energy in an unfocused way, you may find more than the tennis ball. There may be snakes and other critters in the grass, maybe quite big ones, which were all fast asleep. If you wake them all up, you may have to forget about playing tennis. :)

Go look for the tennis ball, but go carefully. There may well be snakes in the grass, and if you see one, tiptoe past it and don't wake it up.

If you're worried about the large snake fast asleep in the long grass in your garden, now you know it's there, you can come back later with friends and a plan and maybe an expert-snake-catcher and a big net and anything else you may need now you know it's there.

What happens in sessions is that if you wake up these 'snakes' while looking for something else, you can end up with attacks that happen during or (quite often) after the session. This is why it's important. It's not a show-stopper! But sometimes you can end up having stirred up more than you bargained for.

Here's another metaphysical axiom. All beings want to be free. Why should they attack you? The answer is usually that they have been implanted or created with an evil purpose. All that can be handled, but it's MUCH easier to deal with them one by one rather than facing a horde of 10,000. :)

Angry hordes of 10,000 CAN be handled. (Not a joke.) You hold the space rock-solid, and address them as a group. I remember at one time handling over 11,000 large, totally implanted beings all at once. I held them all right there with total intention (Literally this: "I'm here to free you. You stay RIGHT THERE and DO NOT MOVE and DO NOTHING!") — and it took me three days to free them all.

I was using specific question-and-answer processes, working in a linear way. I understand that sometimes (especially now... that time I mentioned was 25 years ago when everything was more dense and stuck and 'thick') one can just LOOK WITH INTENTION at a being or an area and it can release and go free, pretty much straight away.

I used to have a highly gifted friend, back at that time, who would just turn his attention on beings or areas, like a 10 megawatt spotlight, and BANG, they'd be free. He didn't even know how he did it, but he was a remarkable man, and it took almost no time.

I could not do that then, and marveled at his ability. Now, it's easier for me (and others!) to free beings very quickly, because the entire context of the global and universal situation we're in has changed quite a lot.

Still, it's best NOT to bring on the angry hordes. They can give you quite a headache (literally), or cause other unwanted problems, maybe even quite big ones. So it's best to play safe and when you go looking for that valuable tennis ball (or pot of gold!), don't go clumping around in the long grass like an elephant.

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LEGOLAS is a better model.

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This post is about FINISHING WHAT ONE STARTS.

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This may sound obvious, but sometimes it can be quite important.

Here's what I mean by that! It's like starting an Avalon thread on a topic, and then

• EITHER not going off-topic
• OR, if one DOES veer off-topic, then RETURNING to topic.

Here's an example. It's an imaginary session. :)

Someone perceives that the GREAT BLUE BOOGIE-WOOGIE BIRD is in trouble. It's very important to help it.

So here's what might happen in a session (sometimes!)

1. You perceive the Great Blue Boogie-Woogie Bird.
2. It's just laid a Great Blue EGG.
3. But someone is trying to STEAL the egg.
4. That person believes that the egg is MAGICAL. He's under orders from an evil master who wants the egg for his own purposes.
5. So you look at the EVIL MASTER. He's controlled by his GRANDMOTHER, a VERY evil witch. They have a karmic relationship.
6. So you go back and see that they stole another egg from a DRAGON, thousands of years ago, and this time the dragons came to get the egg back. The grandmother was publicly humiliated. (The dragons left it at that. They were mighty pissed, but aren't vindictive.)
7. The grandmother wanted to prove to his grandson that she was always right and always won in the end. So for the grandmother, this was personal.
8. The group goes to work on the grandmother and the grandson, and also cools off the dragons, who were still rather pissed at this couple. All seems well. High fives, etc. Dragons, Grandmother, and Grandson are all happy and/or transformed.

But wait! IT'S NOT FINISHED.

We still have to go back and handle and free

1. The egg-thief who was under orders from the 'EVIL MASTER' (the grandson)
2. The egg (the egg was really frightened!)
3. The Boogie-Woogie Bird. (Remember the Boogie-Woogie Bird? That's where we started...)

For those of a certain generation. Arlo Guthrie singing the 25 minute long, epic, Alice's Restaurant...

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Half way through, after all kinds of hilarious stuff has happened, Arlo reminds us:
"Remember Alice? It's a song about Alice..."

So, after all the diversions and side-tracks, all of which were needed — we have to GO BACK AND NOT FORGET the beings we 'touched' along the way, maybe half an hour or even an hour back in the session. That can sometimes feel like a long time ago!

Serious point here. Many beings have been betrayed. One form of betrayal is being promised help... and then the promised help never comes.

So if you say: "OK, we totally understand your situation. We have to go handle your Evil Master first, and then we'll come straight back to you as soon as we can"... YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU PROMISED. Or else it's just one more betrayal, another let-down, another brick in their wall.

Sometimes, sessions can be complicated, and go all over the place. To help make sure you don't forget something, it's seriously a good idea for at least one person to take real-time notes. They can be just a few jottings! But the idea is not to forget anything. Here's what it might look like (on someone's piece of paper, during the session)

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If you DO forget something, it may remind you... by getting annoyed or upset and then coming back the next day to beat you over the head. If so, this is not an 'attack'!! It's just a reminder. "HEY! YOU FORGOT TO COME BACK AND HELP!"

:)

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In this post, I want to talk about BEING THERE.

(No, not the Peter Sellers movie… :) )

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This is about being a Healer when one is squaring up to the Dark Side. Christine and I were talking about this in our video here:

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Although it's all there in the video, I wanted to spell it out again in a few bulletpoints:

By BEING THERE, I mean ROCK-SOLID AND UNFLINCHING. Here's why…

Imagine one is a priest, a counselor, or a confessor. (As Healers are…)

The person talking to you is 'fessing up something really nauseating and unpalatable. Like, baby-killing, being a sexual abuser, an axe-murderer, a genocidal tyrant. Or worse.

You have to be dispassionate. You can NOT react. If you do, the confession may be rapidly ended, as the person/being talking to you feels judged. They will walk away, and your (and their) chance has been missed.

Feeling judged will bring MANY sensitive conversations to a rapid close. We know this as humans, from our own personal experience, and thus it works with healing beings telepathically anywhere in this universe or others.

Because of the telepathic factor, one cannot even THINK a judgmental thought. The 'unconditional love' (or unconditional acceptance and understanding of what is being told) has to be genuine and sincere. Of course, this is sometimes easier said than done.

Occasionally, the being in session might go beyond just confession. They may become energetically highly animated, aggressive, posturing, defiant, cynical, even threatening.

You have to hold your ground.

Imagine a 'real-world' confessional, as in the work of a wise and experienced priest. (These do exist! If they do their job well, they can help people a very great deal.) The confessor starts to swear and threaten.

The priest says: "Well, that's not very nice, I'm not going to talk to you any more."

See how that doesn't work? :)

It's an aspect of what I wrote about above, which is that one has to finish what one starts. So once a being starts to communicate, one MUST MUST MUST hear them out, in full, non-judgmentally and without interruption, till they have discharged fully.

And when they HAVE discharged fully, then, making sure you don't interrupt them, give them a BIG acknowledgement: "Thank you! Wow, I REALLY REALLY understand all that."

Just that alone can sometimes release beings out of something they've been stuck in for millennia.

But to do that, one has to be willing and prepared, genuinely, to hear (and understand) ANYTHING.

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This post, like several of the others, is very simple — but also like the others, can free beings that have been stuck for half of eternity.

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This is about beings who are STUCK IN AN IDENTITY WHICH ISN'T THEIR OWN.

We all know the idea. In human terms, we call it a cycle of abuse.

• The little boy is beaten (or sexually abused) by his father. When he becomes a father, he beats (or sexually abuses) HIS little boy.

• The young employee is harshly and unfairly reprimanded by a tyrannical manager. When HE becomes a manager, he becomes an office tyrant, too.

• A slow but hardworking schoolgirl is publicly humiliated by a sarcastic female teacher. She eventually becomes a teacher herself... and humiliates the dull students in her class.

• A young soldier is given orders by his commander, but is never thanked for his attention to detail. When he's promoted, he treats new recruits in just the same way.

The abused becomes the abuser. What happened, at some point, to so many of the torturers, abusers and tyrants who are all around?

Here's the mechanism:

One is playing a polarized win-lose game (father vs son, teacher vs student, manager vs employee, commander vs new recruit). The game is stacked, and the weaker party loses. Because pain, powerlessness, betrayal, helplessness and humiliation are usually all involved, the incidents become traumatic and very emotionally charged.

So, NEXT TIME THE SAME PERSON FINDS THEMSELVES PLAYING THE SAME GAME — but this time with much more power and control 'on their side' — they adopt THE WINNING GAME-PLAYING STRATEGY… of the person who 'defeated them'.

Because they want to 'win' this time, they COPY the tactics and attitude which they know will bring them 'victory' at last.

This can become so ingrained that they take on the entire identity of their abuser, and 'BECOME' THEM. They become almost a 'COPY'. This is reinforced by 'always winning now', so simply through the survival mechanics of stimulus-response the new behavior is more and more reinforced.

Basically, in almost all cases, this is how beings become 'evil'.

Sometimes, even when doing all the Freeing Steps described in #2 above, a being will not leave. You may perceive or sense that "they're not really themselves".

There are two alternative remedies.

#1: EITHER (being rock-solid, non-judgmental and unflinching — see #6 above), ask them what happened TO THEM. And then listen until they've told you absolutely everything.

Sometimes, you sense it's not the whole story, and that something SIMILAR happened EARLIER. For instance (a human analogy), they're a big bully now because they WERE bullied when they were a kid.

They tell you about a traumatic bullying incident when they were 10. But you feel it's not the whole story. Ah! There was an EARLIER SIMILAR bullying incident when they were 8. Still feel there's more? Ah! There was another EARLIER SIMILAR incident when they were 5. And *bang*, THAT releases all the links in the 'chain'. (And quite often, the 'chain' of EARLIER SIMILAR incidents can go back into previous lifetimes or much earlier situations.)

#2: OR (a quite different process) you ask them, repetitively: "What could you confront?" (get their answer and thank them) "What could you confront?" (get their answer and thank them) "What could you confront?" (get their answer and thank them)… and so on, until they realize what it is they could NOT confront earlier.

The 'thing' they couldn't confront might be the overwhelming force of a physical or sexual abuser, a repressed humiliation incident that's hard to even look at again, or the sheer evil of the intention of another person or being intent on causing harm.

You'll 'feel' when they finally square right up to the person or thing that was previously unconfrontable. You then give them a big acknowledgment, and end that process. They will now snap back into 'themselves'. (You can verify that by asking them, simply, "Who are you?" They will kind of 'laugh', and tell you: "Why, I'm ME, of course.")

:)

THEN… you can continue with the other freeing steps:

1. Remind them of the UNIVERSAL RIGHTS OF A BEING
2. ORIENT them to the place, date, who you are, and absolutely everything that's been going on
3. Offer or suggest to them a NEW CHOICE OF PURPOSE OR MISSION.

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WHAT COULD YOU CONFRONT...?

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Or...

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:)

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Here's another useful tip, straight out of a personal experience I had with the Avalon Healers Group a little while ago. :)

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Backstory, in brief: there was a low-level psychic attack, which was handled and healed by the Healers Group. I started to feel better — headache/nausea started to lift — but there was NOT an immediate disappearance of the feeling.

Here's the reason for that, when that happens. It's very common. It's important to understand, or else one might (incorrectly!) think that the healing has not really worked.

A psychic attack affects the being (YOU!) — and your body. The two are not exactly the same.

The relationship between the being and the body is complex, and WAY beyond the scope of a short post like this.

An analogy I often use is like the rider and the horse. A good rider and a good horse are a SYMBIOTIC TEAM. Like the neural connection, called Tsaheylu, between the animals and the Na'vi riders in the movie AVATAR.

When the rider takes their horse into battle, the war is the rider's agenda and interest, and is nothing to do with the horse — who would much rather be playing with other horses in the fields back home. But the horse is loyal to the rider.

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And after the battle, even though the horse may be uninjured, it may be spooked and traumatized. Although the rider understands everything that's happened, and why, the horse may not know what's been going on at all.

Another analogy is like a cushion that's been sat on by a large person on a sofa. It's squished! After the large person gets up and leaves, the cushion is still deformed, and may need quite a while to regain its shape.

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So if your body is squished by an attack on YOU, the being — or if it's spooked and jittery after a battle YOU'VE been through.... just TALK TO IT, and TAKE GOOD CARE OF IT.

A long shower, a warm bath with salts or oils, hot pools, sleep, good fresh food, a massage, a long walk in a healing environment... all these, and more, help reshape the cushion, and calm the horse.

So simple, and we all know how to do it. But (telling this story against myself), I often override or ignore that.

But your body is truly your best friend. Treat it well... and it will continue to work, over and over again, as your very greatest ally.

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`Wonderful thread and insights, Bill ñ and thank you!!

I found this to be a good information and well served, even if one has stepped on the snake in the grass and found themselves infront of a cobra : ) there are parts here which are very useful and are worthy of pondering, as well as adopting. Thank you very much, Bill.

Thanks Bill.

Thank you, Bill, really felt your warmth and care in these posts, and good reminders to me and tips in ways that I have not tried before.

I would be very, very, very careful with things like entities, spirits ( of animals and human ) etc. and removing them and opening our heart, energies etc... I do recommend reading Steve Richards - Holographic Kinetics.

Thank you, Bill. This has given me a much clearer perception of 'Entity Attachments', and along with this knowledge comes the power to deal with them in a more positive way. Priceless and timely information.

Thanks Bill,

Have you had any personal experiences with people who thought they had entity attachments who are just labouring under a bad mood or an obsessive disorder? Do you think that there may be a symbiotic relationship between a bad mood and an entity attachment, or do you consider the link causal or are primary mood problems and entity attachments separate?

I want to share my initial observations.

1-Those writings put the Christine avatar instead of Bill's in my mind.

2-Playing with Djins(Cinler, jinn) is white/dark cabal's work.(summon,/ order)

3-Djins are not an attachment to humans, they can have their own carrier. Their food and wealth chains are very different than humans.(trading can be very fruitfull since no conflict on common ground but you would have charcoal miner's body) They do not interest in human unless they are summoned by them. They have early puberty human's intelection and very strange sense of humor. (This subject definetelly deserves another thread but I do not want to encourage readers to research in this field)

4-It would be a good naming if you call your(her) working group as a parasitic entity attachments They can be synthetic or natural also can be terrestial or ultra/extra terestial origins.

I am hoping this may work for me. Although I am not sure if this is my distinct problem...... I just cannot figure it out yet. [still shaking my head sideways]
warmest,
cros.

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I am hoping this may work for me. Although I am not sure if this is my distinct problem...... I just cannot figure it out yet. [still shaking my head sideways]
warmest,
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If you feel your dark side when it try to get the idea of being smart or handy for survival. You pinpoint one of them. It is an attachment.

I feel that Christine is refering whole Microorganism world as an attachment, maybe she is right in some way. It needs much more discussion

In my experience the key to 'releasing' entities or, releasing oneself from their influence, is to develop what Idries Shah captures beautifully in a book covering Sufism as the Gnostic tradition of Islam. The book is "The Commanding Self." When put to practice, one develops not an ability of commanding as much getting more and more comfortable with less and less self identification.

Who Are You? Is any answer going to suffice? 1st not comprehensively 2nd any attempt to answer is to miss the point. It is that you are. And no words or even conceptualizing that previous sentence holds value. What entities attach to is any 'lower case' notion of self. Once one moves beyond an individual-as-perspective/opinion/insight or any other idea, there is nothing an entity can latch onto.

This is thick and not readily accessible. My advice is to empty oneself of their breath and train one's mind, then being, to withhold panic, eventually drawing in breath slowly then repeat. Profound changes within you are assured- a tip here is not to respond to your own inner contents and whines and ideas which seek to interrupt the process; all this is sourced from the 'lower case self.'

Great thought stirrer of a thread Bill.

This is probably one of the most useful threads I can think of, considering what's going on in the world in 2014. On a macro level, the power imprisoning this world is just one big, sad demon...

Mr. Ryan, thank you so much for explaining so simply, methodically and fearlessly many issues relating to 'entity attachments'.
As with many subjects that maybe painful or fearful, you have approached this all with healing, positive understanding and a great and natural wisdom.

Thank you too, dear Christine, for sharing your warmth and knowledge on all aspects of healing, a caring and informative video.

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This is probably one of the most useful threads I can think of, considering what's going on in the world in 2014. On a macro level, the power imprisoning this world is just one big, sad demon...

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This is one of the.... oopss it's been written word by word before me :) I'm exactly thinking the same way as Daozen. Would also recommend Remarkable Healings from Shakuntala Modi and Spirit Releasement Therapy from William Baldwin.

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What will NOT free any being at all is to use force, try to wrestle with it, fight it, hate it, 'banish' it, try to harm it, or lock it up in some virtual prison. That's not freedom!

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This is absolutely true in my opinion.
Ghosts can be gotten rid of, but they rarely haunt an individual from what I have seen. Their energy consumption is more hunter/gatherer, or nomadic in nature.

In my opinion the most difficult folks to be rid of are the ones that feed on our bad habits.
These are the ones that tend to stick to an individual and or cord to an individual.

Abstaining from the bad habit, altering behavior can release you, but I do not think folks understand there is no finish line. There is no point where upon entering into the bad habit again will not bring these same energetic parasites back.

Also, and it may sound mundane, but regularly engaging in philanthropic actions creates some type of defense. I'm not religious and I do not espouse any doctrine, yet the simple act of helping your fellow man acts as a energizing and uplifting effect on a natural defense against non-organic parasites we are all born with. It's kind of like the not-doings in the Carlos Castaneda books.

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You have to be dispassionate. You can NOT react. If you do, the confession may be rapidly ended, as the person/being talking to you feels judged. They will walk away, and your (and their) chance has been missed.

Feeling judged will bring MANY sensitive conversations to a rapid close. We know this as humans, from our own personal experience, and thus it works with healing beings telepathically anywhere in this universe or others.

Because of the telepathic factor, one cannot even THINK a judgmental thought. The 'unconditional love' (or unconditional acceptance and understanding of what is being told) has to be genuine and sincere. Of course, this is sometimes easier said than done.

Occasionally, the being in session might go beyond just confession. They may become energetically highly animated, aggressive, posturing, defiant, cynical, even threatening.

You have to hold your ground.

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I like this too.

If it helps. I would use a form of reiki while I would empathize with a lost soul.
I would create an environment completely devoid of light, total darkness is preferable. While feeding the lost soul energy from the palms of your hands, the entity will become visible to you. Not imaginary, you will absolutely see it, and this aids in your ability to empathize with the being. The most common emotional anchors I would come across while empathizing with an entity were shame and anger. For shame I would try to create an intense feeling of forgiving myself, and as I forgave myself, I could project this energy from my heart through my palms and into the being. For anger I would attempt to manifest forgiveness of others and after accomplishing this feeling within myself I would project it through my palms into the entity.

This act alone would sometimes open a portal and the entities would then cross over. But most of the time it would not.

In these instances I would use a technique that worked some 90% of the time.

I've outlined it here in a previous thread.
HOW TO SEE A GHOST FOR YOURSELF POST #16

Bumping this thread

Holy Quran Surat Al- Jinn

72:1
Say, [O Muhammad], "It has been revealed to me that a group of the jinn listened and said, 'Indeed, we have heard an amazing Qur'an.

72:2
It guides to the right course, and we have believed in it. And we will never associate with our Lord anyone.

72:3
And [it teaches] that exalted is the nobleness of our Lord; He has not taken a wife or a son

72:5
And we had thought that mankind and the jinn would never speak about Allah a lie.

72:6
And there were men from mankind who sought refuge in men from the jinn, so they [only] increased them in burden.(white/dark cabal)

72:8
Jinns said, And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames.

72:9
Jinns said, "And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.(moon base?)

72:14
Jinns said "And among us are Muslims [in submission to Allah ], and among us are the unjust. And whoever has become Muslim - those have sought out the right course.
http://quran.com/72

Good thread - I like it.

I notice the word love was only used one time, and that was in quotes! This has lead me to form an opinion it is arguably underused :)

Love plays a very large role in why you might want to set anything free (including yourself).

The ultimate force, the ultimate tool, the ultimate protection, the ultimate balm, the ultimate reason to care about freedom and freewill - love.

The only reason you would ever forgive another for "attaching" itself for whatever reason and freeing it, is love.

In these situations it is possible to assume a posture of sovereignty and power, but with extreme humility and non-confrontation (and as has been said non-judgement) and love is what makes it all possible - your intent which is entirely infused with love.

Never hesitate to ask for help - it is always there.

All is of the one - even those little attachments.

Thanks for this thread.

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Hi, All — I'm bumping this thread, as the topic is now becoming more and more widely discussed on Avalon. (A good thing!)

First, thank you all for your encouraging comments and feedback. It's VERY much appreciated, and very valuable for others to read.

Second, let me try to respond to a couple of the earlier posts here if I can.

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Fully agreed. Please see my summary point 10 below.. Even this thread and the many posts in it, which all treat the subject with immense respect, is risky. One has to be super-careful and aware.

It's tricky enough waking a sleeping bear by poking it with a sharp stick (or even gently rousing it with love and care!). But when you can't SEE the pissed-off bear you've just woken up, things can sometimes become even more challenging.

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Thanks Bill,

Have you had any personal experiences with people who thought they had entity attachments who are just labouring under a bad mood or an obsessive disorder? Do you think that there may be a symbiotic relationship between a bad mood and an entity attachment, or do you consider the link causal or are primary mood problems and entity attachments separate?

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Good question, and an important one. Not all emotional ups and downs are connected with entities AT ALL. As a standalone, sovereign being, one can still feel one's having a rather bad day sometimes. There's plenty in this world for ANYONE to be justifiably quite upset about!

:)

Third, I want to [try to!] say something important, and it stems from aniN's post which I responded to above. It's deliberately provocative, and you'll see why in a moment. It contains what I think may be a very important learning point.

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Writing or talking about entities in a disrespectful, fearful, angry or even hateful way is dangerous. It's very understandable — but pragmatically unwise (not even considering the ethics of the issue). Some of that has taken place from time to time elsewhere on the forum over the years.

Here's why it's a pragmatic problem:

Imagine someone wrote something (here or anywhere else) that was hateful/ fearful/ prejudicial against black people (or poor people, or gays, or emotionally disturbed victims, or any other identifiable group).

Say they were dismissed as being unworthy of our empathy, love and compassion, and were regarded as energy- and attention-draining parasites that we just needed to get rid of by any means we could.

And imagine you, sitting at your computer, reading this, had a group of those same people in your house, looking over your shoulder at what you were reading.

They would be hurt, upset, aggrieved, and incensed. They would talk loudly, long and energetically about the apparent lack of compassion and understanding.

All their grievances would be aired. They might talk for a LONG time, at you and each other, about what they had read.

You might be influenced by what they said so passionately. You might find yourself also feeling angry at what had been written, even though you were not in one of the groups attacked or criticized. The passionate, angry upset in your house might well be rather contagious.

So... you may now get the analogy. If there's something written which dismisses entities as parasitical lowlifes which just need to be obliterated somehow [my paraphrase, written for effect] — any entities around (and they are EVERYWHERE, big and small) — may become pretty upset.

...And you might find yourself feeling pretty agitated without even knowing quite why.

Do you see how this works?

My compassion for all beings is more than pragmatic — it's genuine. And it really does need to be sincere to work. Entities are very sensitive.... if someone posts something apparently benign, but with a well-controlled hateful or fearful feeling behind it, they may pick it up and react.

As Groucho Marx said (one of my all-time favorite quotes :) ):

Honesty and integrity make the world go round.
If you can fake that, you've got it made.

The real, pragmatic danger of a lack of compassion is super-important to understand. You are likely to get yourself in endless running battles which will not let up. You have to be wise, able, and well-informed enough to DEAL with the angry bears that have been poked, accidentally or deliberately, by your (or anyone else's) sharp stick.

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I have dealt with quite a few different entities here in the physical world throughout my entire life. I don't know if they were actually attached to me or to someone else or just here for the heck of it. I have also encountered hundreds of malevolent entities/beings in other dimensions. Dealing with entities here is different for me than in other dimensions. When I encounter a negative, malevolent being on other dimensions I am able to easily use the power of love to merge with them, where they become a part of me and are merged into the power of love, so they are immediately "enlightened".

The way I deal with them on the earth dimension may not LOOK like love to the average person but I contend that it is love. Until one has actually merged with love there is no easy way to mentally understand what love encompasses, which is basically everything. It is also difficult to describe and can look pretty nasty to someone who has an incorrect interpretation of love. For example, when you see a Catholic priest doing an exorcism you might think it looks violent, nasty, abusive, etc., but ultimately a good exorcist is doing this out of love. They are merely speaking in a language that the particular possessing demon/entity will understand and that language includes the vibrational frequency that will shake the entity loose.

I suppose I made my choice in how to deal with entities at a very young age, probably around 5. When I first started lifting up out of my body and I encountered a dark being who was sort of a block to my advancing further, it tried and succeeded in scaring me. After a couple of times of being scared, I got angry. I quickly found out that anger kept the entity further away from me. So that is likely how I began to realize that certain entities respond to anger. Anger also kept fear away, so it was a useful tool.

This went on for many years and at some point I found that humor also worked. Some entities do not like being laughed at, but it can drive them away. Perhaps when laughing the light energy increases and can keep them away. But some entities I've encountered respond only to fear and they feel fear if my anger is at a vibrational level that is too strong for them to fight. I have also participated in a couple of exorcisms which I didn't feel were as powerful as my own methods, but since it was a group exorcism (about 5 people) I needed to abide by the methods of the other participants.

Many entities have come into my home in different places I've lived and caused strange problems. I deal with these entities by banishing them usually by brute force of will and also asking for help from higher self. The one entity I don't try to get rid of is the one my husband has attached to him which he's had since he was about 10. He absolutely intends to keep this being and apparently agreed to have it enter him, so I respect that he wants to keep him and he is sure that it kept him alive in the wars and conflicts he was a part of in his younger days. I have seen it take him over completely only a few times, and it is a rather dangerous being although not evil. It is not benevolent either, but it's not a demonic being. I would say it's more like a warrior avatar type being.

When I conjure up anger to banish a being I am doing it out of love. When I do not attempt to "free" an entity I am doing it out of love. It is not my mission to free trapped beings. If others feel it is their mission to free entities or release them, I respect that mission, but it is not mine and I will not do it at this point in my life. I could say that it may be unethical or immoral to help or to free a negative or demonic being who may not have reached the point in it's development or evolution to be able to free itself. I could say that it is immoral to impose one's own sense of timing on another being. If I think it's the right time for this being to advance or be freed of it's demonic tendencies....am I right or am I just under the illusion that I am right? Do I know the timing that anyone should advance spiritually or do I have some sort of a "god" tendency in thinking that I am right and everyone else is wrong or unethical if they don't see what I see or think what I think?

Each conscious being has it's own timing and we all are in the eternal cycle of Creation. Each being may release itself from any dimension it is stuck on....when the time is right. Then again, the time may be right when a missionary who feels it is his mission to release them, does so. But it is not my mission. Each is welcome to their own mission but I do not accept that anyone's mission is more ethical or moral than mine. Perhaps it is to them but in my reality it is not ethical or moral to judge another's mission and it is not always helpful to do what looks like help and perhaps release a being that was not ready to be released. So I will continue to use a language that entities on this earth understand very well. It will be their own language of fear, anger and violence reflected back to them from my mirror, but reflected back more strongly so they experience the results of their own modus operandi. Perhaps they will actually learn that what they do can always be done more powerfully to them. Then they might be more inspired to find the only weapon that can never be defeated....love.

This topic has also been talked bout in this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post909604

Thank you. One of my therapists referred to these experiences as "familiar spirits" and seemed to attach a negative connotation to them.

However open minded people don't have a huge problem with mediumship.
Innocent until proven guilty has solved a lot of mysteries. imo

I had some trouble w/ a Jungian who seemed uncomfortable w/ manifestations and messages.
On the other hand he often was supportive although he didn't know what to do. :P


the Greeks honored the gods and don't people consider them to have been an advanced culture?
"god" doesn't necessarily mean an object of worship so much as something worthy of respect, fear, or observation


even the gods want to be understood haha :)


p.s. however for those having trouble w/ entities who won't leave, the good book talks about cleaning house and replacing the neg entities w the light of god

Post number 8 really got me thinking quite deeply, and the headline 'STUCK IN AN IDENTITY WHICH ISN'T THEIR OWN' has had me coming back and reading again.

I would like say something, as a new member I feel quite out of my depth sometimes and would like to share things but feel self conscious and uncomfortable so most of the time I don't.

But number 8's topic has made me want to share something that happened to me when I was around 11.

I was quite badly beaten by a teacher in the 1st few days of starting secondary school, it really affected me at the time but I brushed it off as I thought this was how things were in the big school, because of the beating I changed my behaviour to blend in and did the bare minimum to get by as I was quite bright & happy and felt I had to repress this.

To put it simply I was in the wrong place at the wrong time so got blamed for someone else's behaviour by a hot head teacher that wasn't listening to explanations and actually wasn't punished for what he did to me.

Reading the explanation of 'stuck in an identity which isn't there own' has helped me understand what was inflicted on me and what may have happened to the man that beat me up for him to act this way, I kind of felt like a sponge/punch bag for him at the time by I never understood that.

I've never felt the urge to pass the bad feeling like others possibly do as It wasn't a good experience, I couldn't think of anything worse to pass on as it effectively changed who I was and my whole approach to schooling and life in general to be honest.

I'm sorry if this reply isn't appropriate but I feel that what was said by Bill has helped.

My feelings to what I've read and what I have wrote were a little bit unexpected.

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Reading the explanation of 'stuck in an identity which isn't there own' has helped me understand what was inflicted on me and what may have happened to the man that beat me up for him to act this way, I kind of felt like a sponge/punch bag for him at the time by I never understood that.

I've never felt the urge to pass the bad feeling like others possibly do as It wasn't a good experience, I couldn't think of anything worse to pass on as it effectively changed who I was and my whole approach to schooling and life in general to be honest.

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When one is really angry (I mean totally) they are often said to be "besides themselves with anger"

This is because they are not angry people but they have allowed the emotional/physical body to become so overcome that it is out of their control and they can look at that angry thing as another person.

I have no doubt that any malevolent entity that was attached to someone who has a bad temper in this regard would enjoy fueling that fire.

As I read your post, I wondered, did you ever find it possible to forgive that teacher?

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Hi, All — here's a copy of my opening post from a thread I started on HITCHHIKERS, a couple of years ago. It's 100% totally relevant (and important!) here.

The original thread contains over 80 posts of interesting, detailed discussion:

HITCHHIKERS (a sort of partial entity possession) - and how to handle them

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Dear All,

There exists a potential human situation which, when once alerted to it, many reading this may recognize in others... or even in themselves. It goes under a number of names, but here I want to call this the phenomenon of Hitchhikers.

A hitchhiker is a spirit who was quite a short time ago in a human body, but whose body has died and who therefore decided to look for a new 'home'. They've not gone on to inhabit a new baby body, as is normal. Instead, they've chosen to find what could be considered an easier solution to their problem: rather than taking on a new body for themselves, they jump into an existing body which is already 'occupied'. It's like having an unwanted guest in your house... or an unwanted hitchhiker in your car.

This is slightly different from 'possession' -- which is a related phenomenon, to be discussed separately. When a body is 'possessed', another being comes into the body - and takes over completely. The original 'owner' is completely dispossessed. That's a little like someone jumping into your car, holding you up at gunpoint, and taking over the wheel while you're tied up in the trunk. That's NOT what we're talking about here.

(It's also different from a 'walk-in' -- where there is NOT the problem of the undesirable conflict of two beings both considering that they should be the one that's in charge of the body. With a walk-in, the original 'owner of the car' simply hands it over to another being by mutual agreement.)

So, in contrast, here's what a hitchhiker is. A hitchhiker gets in the car without your consent, sits in the back seat, or the passenger seat, while you're still at the wheel -- and just interferes, talks a lot, and generally gets in the way. They may influence how you're driving, or where you're going. Every now and then they may take over the wheel, but as a rule they're simply a dominant, interfering influence. (There's a wonderful Jim Carrey comedy -- Me, Myself and Irene -- which caricatures this brilliantly.)

What this looks like from an outside standpoint (e.g. from that of a loved one, family member, or friend) is that one's personality changes. Sometimes it's a permanent change, and sometimes it 'toggles' back and forth between two personalities which are evidently rather different.

It's important to understand that, from the 'inside', the person affected, and who is suffering, may not be aware of this at all.

The purpose of this article is to offer guidelines and protocols to those wishing to help someone affected by this phenomenon. (Exceptionally, the affected person themselves may be well aware of what's happened to them... and so of course this article may be of great benefit to them as well.)

The following article was written specially for Avalon by a good friend, Elrisse, who is an expert in this and other related fields. If you'd like to get in touch with her, her e-mail address is SpiritualFreedom8@yahoo.com.

Download here: (14 pages)
http://projectavalon.net/Avalon_Hitc...9_Nov_2012.pdf

Thank you very much, Bill. I personally warmly embrace some of the useful advice here, and trying to carefully understand the whole ambience.. If that is okay, I would like to add that it seems to me (not being a professional expert) that since we are living in a world of great amount of diversity, there may have to be more than only one energetic response to the versatility of the participating energies around us who rely on our energy, and maybe put an emphasis on their desires as well. Also, perhaps reviewing our own tendency to anthropomorphize them. This one methodology sounds emphatically fit with regards to some of the cases who sincerely fall under such categories of entities who want to be released, though, may be of less service with others, especially certain ET races with tendency for deliberate mental interference

The ability to see the entity that involves itself with us is definitely a gift, and a form of respect as well

I read today a disclaimer by Cameron Day on his website. It's a little long but worth reading:

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Living from this place of non-belief means being okay with saying “I don’t really know…I don’t have enough experience / information to really know the answer to this.” It also means saying “In my experience”, “From my perspective”, “Based on my research” or “As far as I can tell” rather than proclaiming absolute knowledge. There are some absolutes, but most of reality at this level is very subjective and prone to distortions as well as deceptions.

I do know for a fact that what I know is a small portion of the knowledge of my High Self. The human condition is one of amnesia and not knowing, so rather than spending too much time and energy lamenting this fact, I accept it as the way things are, while working on improving this condition within myself and sharing my insights with others.

In other words, it’s ok to not know, since that is the current reality, as long as I do not choose ignorance or “comfortable beliefs” over learning truth.

I take in a lot of information, but I am constantly rejecting aspects of this information based on my intuition as well as my internal filtering system. In this filtering system, I have determined certain types of information to be “most likely false” as well as having categories such as “possibly true”, “possibly false”, “probably a manipulation”, “probably a partial truth” and so forth. Notice that this is based in possibilities and probabilities, and not in absolutes.

Only when enough probabilities towards truth or falsehood are determined do I then decide that I (probably) know the veracity of some type of information. At the same time, each of those filtration categories is subject to revision based on new information. The expansion of awareness never ends."

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I would like to put a video that presents another aspect to these same subjects, an interesting listening by Cameron Day
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y-2_CRsjoww&list=UU2vfkujTcRr2bU0jThVMu_A
Many good blessings ~

Limor

From theory to practice in a way which somehow parallels NancyV's "evolution" on her exploration of the phenomena excepted that, instead of being first-hand, it's experienced remotely:

Rummaging around posts, threads, fora and websites...

I ran into this on the "Soul Rescue" site:

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Firstly, Patrick seems to be a tremendously compassionate, and convenient, healer. He works indirectly through a medium who speaks directly to the spirits and the spirit body of the customer, speaks what she sees, while Patrick comments on what he's sensing/seeing as he communicates through her to the spirits. He has a certain tact and impeccability so the conversation flows quite well and there is no hint of him being flustered.

For example, I was supposedly tagged by a raging, violent man when I was 10 because I didn't understand why no one could see me for who I was. On top of this the dead dude was himself possessed by two demons. And yet, the workers, as Patrick terms the demons (since they are all "employed"), were told by Pat that they had done a wonderful job. I thought this was a funny angle to take. He then told them that the Angels would be more than happy to show them even more fun work to do. And, supposedly, eager to pursue their self-interest, they left. This filled the dead dude with so much joy that he voluntarily left as well. After reading on spirit release I wasn't too surprised by any of it, and it was a typical textbook release. Stranger than fiction though!!

Secondly, there was no hypnosis required at all, and anyone can call in for a phone conference from just about anywhere while Patrick and his medium do their work.

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Patrick: I was already involved in doing emotional release, hypnotherapy, this type of thing and kind of combining all of these things and so it just made sense to me to help these spirits in a therapeutic way. I kept wanting to find out so it just came to me to use the emotions and energy and the emotions of energy. So, that's how it started with doing like these therapy sessions for lost souls and then when we started getting into seeing people with attachments, it was very evident because what she would see was an intermixing or an intertwining of energy and the way she described it is like you have the aura or energy of the living person was intertwined with the aura or the energy of the spirit. The longer the spirit had been attached, the more intertwined the energy fibers were. So by focusing on the emotions, releasing the emotions is what released the energy. That's how we proceeded with the spirit release. When it came to demons, what she noticed was that they all had jobs. That just made sense to me. I was like oh, okay, rather than deal with this good/bad, because I know there are a lot of methodologies of "well you know you're doing bad and you know you're doing this to the person", it just made sense of "hey, you're doing a good job of what you do here".

Patrick: That was information and it was like "can we offer you a better job?" "Can we offer you better real estate?" We were doing that for a while and that was effective but eventually she started channeling a spirit guide that said basically "I heard your call from the universe and I'm here to try and help out". It was an amazing experience for like two or three years several times a week. It was like going to college for spirit release and stuff like this. It was like take notes, it was do this, it was like this professor that she channeled that would say it's like this. So I just learned that way.

What the working model is: we have fallen angels. Fallen angels employ beings if you will. I call them workers. And they come as a way to resonate with hurts and pains. So you have a person that goes through something really traumatic in one life or another or even this life. It's like I don't ever want this to happen again and that's a key difference. It's not: I want this or I want that. It's: I don't want this or I don't want that. That's when the call comes in, workers are put in "yeah I resonate with your pain" and then the workers are put in so that he doesn't have to feel that pain. It just developed over time, like the how to's, the working model developed. But it's all revolved around emotions which correspond to energy.

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And I imagine it's probably a very similar fear where there's so much hype around it. But when you get down to it, it's a perspective thing. But it also is very real. So, it is real, it is real.

The Catholic exorcism ritual, and this is like a very step by step like a recipe doing an exorcism and I'm not sure if most people even understand that, it's first you do this, then you do that, then you do this. It's a very antagonistic ritual.

You tie the person to the bed, get someone to hold the person down, it's traumatic to the person that's actually receiving the service. The life expectancy of Catholic priests that make this a career choice is one of the shortest life expectancies too. Having said that, what I call workers is what other people will refer to as demons. It is my belief that when I deal with workers, these are the same types of beings that will throw a Catholic priest against the wall. That is my belief. I've never been thrown against the wall. I have had some kind of uncomfortable experiences.

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I do believe that they do exist and I believe that our way of working with the "demons" is highly, highly, highly respectful. Our way of working with fallen angels is highly respectful. One thing I kind of find weird about my own way of talking is that I've noticed that I seem to speak in a different way when I'm talking to fallen angels. It's like I go into an old English way of speaking, it's really weird. I'm always like, what's that about? But it's very, very, very respectful and I believe that's what keeps us safe. I was talking about the spirit guide that was doing this training with us.

Now one of the things that he would tell me over and over and over again is you have to come naked. I was like: "what does that mean?" Because at this time we would use candles and try to do these invocations of protection. Then he goes: "When you're dealing with these levels of beings, the fallen angel, now you have to come naked" and I was scared to even like -- not take notes -- because I'm always taking notes and things like that. But when it comes to fallen angles, I make sure to clear my lap, clear my mind and it's just be in a state of being and he use to say: "At this level, you cannot do, you must be."

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Patrick: I believe that all of us have some kind of attachments. Where there is suppressed energy, we have energy disruption. Where we have disruptions, we will have like a beacon for earthbound spirits. Most spirits that come to us, people think "oh it's a haunting". Most spirits I've found are like: "Oh, I feel your pain, I have that same pain too!" and it's more of a resonating energy, not a haunting per say.

Now let's talk about fallen angels and demons if you will. Most people have some kind of an automatic behaviour that they don't like. Road rage; so someone cuts them off on the freeway. I live in Los Angeles by the way so I'm very familiar with this concept. Someone cuts you off on the freeway, but there are some people that just go berserk and it's like someone attacked them personally and we all have this or many of us have this automatic behaviour. For some people its freeway, for some people it might be a crying baby. What it does is that triggers a hurt inside and it's not that that person cut someone off or cut them off. It's all the injustices that they've ever had are now triggering those demons inside and that's a very quick way to tell, not if you have a demon, but where you have a demon. I think many, many, many of us have demons and fallen angels attached. But that's my working model. I don't necessarily know if it's real, but it seems to be very consistent with the work.

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Q: ... it does seem that at some point at least everyone has them, also assuming that most of them are earthbound spirits so they would once have been incorporeal on this plane of reality, then the kind of numbers you're talking about, it seems in my mind, are huge! We've got seven billion people on the planet today: are we talking about billions upon billions of previously lived lives that are still bound to this planet?

Patrick: That's why I keep coming back to 'the working model, the working model, the working model'. I don't want to make the reality or try to impose a reality on someone or have someone believe something. If anything, it's like if you're someone that's drawn to this subject, if you're someone that can see spirits, please get the manual because you'll just find your life become so much easier. If you're someone that you're afraid to turn off the TV at night, if you're afraid to turn off the lights when you go to sleep, please get the manual. That's really the reality that I offer, not the reality that billions of spirits exist. Does that make sense?

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The above give real life examples of most of the points summarized by Bill and it is interesting to find a congruence of methods and state of mind in the therapies which yield the best results (see the similarity between Patrick's work and Steve Richards').

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Reading the explanation of 'stuck in an identity which isn't there own' has helped me understand what was inflicted on me and what may have happened to the man that beat me up for him to act this way, I kind of felt like a sponge/punch bag for him at the time by I never understood that.

I've never felt the urge to pass the bad feeling like others possibly do as It wasn't a good experience, I couldn't think of anything worse to pass on as it effectively changed who I was and my whole approach to schooling and life in general to be honest.

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When one is really angry (I mean totally) they are often said to be "besides themselves with anger"

This is because they are not angry people but they have allowed the emotional/physical body to become so overcome that it is out of their control and they can look at that angry thing as another person.

I have no doubt that any malevolent entity that was attached to someone who has a bad temper in this regard would enjoy fueling that fire.

As I read your post, I wondered, did you ever find it possible to forgive that teacher?

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Well Anchor, how do I say this.

I wouldn't I say forgave my teacher at the time as I really didn't know how to handle the situation as I was 11, but the next 5 years were pretty torturous as I always had one eye on him & his potential for hitting the roof.

For instance when I saw him shouting at other pupils I didn't put my head down and walk past like everyone else,
I made a point of being around and made sure he saw me even though it made me very uncomfortable, something inside,it may have been the rebellious side of me behaving like this but it seemed to remind him and I never saw him over step the mark again, sounding off was a far as it got and even this seemed to get toned down when I was around

I began to see him as bully that need to be watched for his own good as well as everyone else's
I really didn't want anything as ugly as what happened to me too happen to anyone else, so after 4 years I still hadn't forgave him

In 5th year there was a change in him ,I felt it in rare interaction with him , and I can say someone doesn't have to say there sorry for you to know there sorry, or so I felt at the time and still do ,they have a way about them.
The problem I had is I didn't get any explanation , and at going on 16 sometimes you need explanations even if they do take a few days to sink in and process, so I moved on and didn't think about it again from being 16, and can honestly say reading step 8 gave me a greater understanding and I started thinking about it.

Sure I've heard the line on the news about the abuser was abused so they abuse others but I never applied it to my experience, partly because Its been at the back of my mind for so long .

I did apply it to my experience from what felt like out of nowhere when I read 'being stuck in an identity which isn't there own'. The penny dropped and I understood it and from being at the back of my mind I can now think of it, and while its still distressing to think of, to the point I feel quite raw & flat writing this now. I'd say what I've read has helped.

You have really got me thinking about if I forgive him or not.

You know I'm trying not hanging on to the negative/unresolved feelings that I had at the back of my mind, even though I felt it changed me, it made harder edged, a little tougher that my peers and I didn't welcome that really as it didn't feel like my path, so I don't know its a question forgiveness now, but I'm now beginning to understand things better,well enough to move on without it being there lurking in the shadows anymore.

It was nice of you to ask Anchor, I appreciate the opportunity to explain further, also your description of anger was very accurate for the situation I found myself in

The agreement was that this is at least 80% Scientology Inspired Information on this page. I sat and listened to a 4 hour Skype Conference between a 30 year Scientology Auditor and another knowledgeable person on these topics who were looking at these multiple blogs and dissected. It was very interesting and educational listening to for me not knowing anything about it. I didn't know fully what Scientology was until tonight. It was laid out in multiple church web sites and documents a lot of it was word for word. No real way to deny it. Its been very difficult for me to keep silent with the lack of ethics, condescending remarks and disrespectful behavior I have witnessed. I know I am not the only one. As a new member I am more than a little disappointed. I imagine I have just opened myself up for the same type of behavior as well by speaking my mind.

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The agreement was that this is at least 80% Scientology Inspired Information on this page. I sat and listened to a 4 hour Skype Conference between a 30 year Scientology Auditor and another knowledgeable person on these topics who were looking at these multiple blogs and dissected. It was very interesting and educational listening to for me not knowing anything about it. I didn't know fully what Scientology was until tonight. It was laid out in multiple church web sites and documents a lot of it was word for word. No real way to deny it. Its been very difficult for me to keep silent with the lack of ethics, condescending remarks and disrespectful behavior I have witnessed. I know I am not the only one. As a new member I am more than a little disappointed. I imagine I have just opened myself up for the same type of behavior as well by speaking my mind.

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This thread is entirely about what works and what doesn't work. :)

No belief system is involved. It's 100% pragmatic, like repairing or tuning a car engine. Good mechanics know what to do because they've learned through their experience, have had good supervisors, and have got good results.

None of this content of this thread is Church of Scientology material. Most of these concepts (and terms) are unknown to them. I wrote every word myself.

If anything on a post of mine comes from another site or source, I ALWAYS reference it (as all members should, as a matter of intellectual honesty). And the 'Hitchhikers' article was 100% written by Elrisse.

Please read my post here — I have no connection with the Church of Scientology, and have been publicly listed as an enemy by them.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post910644

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The valuable information related in this thread was and has been around long before the birth of Scientology. I'm not certain to whom one has been talking to but it might behoove you to research entity attachment from an ancient perspective.

Example: Journey to the afterlife you are an entity traveling to where exactly? In what form? Research this and tell me this in not the same premise.

The underworld is a good place to start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld

If the deceased 'did not' successfully pass...

The ghost: The Khu; became seen as a malignant ghost that entered the bodies of the living to torture them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosts_...yptian_culture

Great information here. Thank you.

The Scientology approach to handling entities is to rid the person of them. That is not what is done here; there is a sense of compassion for the beings and cooperation between a person's entities and themselves.

Actually, the approach here is very similar to a recent development by a friend of mine and fellow ex Scientologist, David St Lawrence. He has the idea of building a team of spiritual team mates. Alan Walter had the idea also, but used many, many rote processes to handle the entities. Mr. Ryan and Mr. St Lawrence use two way communication to help them out of whatever they are stuck and and bring them to present time.

Here is a link to David's site if anyone would like more information: http://spiritual-rescue-technology.com/