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    There's meditation, and then there's meditation. It can be a simple stilling of thoughts that assists with relaxation and clarity, or it can also entail allowing one's awareness (not the same thing as mental focus) to return to the creative matrix itself, bringing "Light" (Free Energy if you will) back to one's physical space, a process that can have a magnetic affect on others nearby, speeding up their own awakening.
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    Quote Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
    Hi:

    Most mainstream dogma is bogus, but that does not make the fringe stuff valid:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/orthodox.htm

    The fringes are a minefield that can suck in the unwary, the naďve, the non-discerning, and those who don’t see the big picture and are not trying to. I see my work compared to all manner of fringe theorist and activist, but the resemblance is usually superficial at most. What I am attempting has not been done before, and is a horse of a different color.
    I'm trying to make this point more often now with others I know who are "relatively" awake. Even if flaws can be observed in the mainstream paradigms, it's all too easy for those who are drawn to the alternative to then become attached to the views espoused by Alex Jones or various libertarian outlets like Lewrockwell or the Mises Institute.

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    Hi Enishi:

    Yes, there are different levels of the meditation/prayer game. Even Level 19 is attainable (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level19 ).

    On the alternative rabbit holes, I have been down plenty of them over the years. Some I took seriously for a while, others I studied so I could understand where they were coming from. In virtually all alternatives, there is a mountain of chaff for every kernel of wheat. There are several reasons for this, and I write about some of them:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/orthodox.htm#alternatives

    Orthodoxy at least has the virtue of being the tried and true. On the scientific end of things, reproducible experiments and peer review can help keep out invalid stuff. But we all know how that can become corrupt, dogmatized, and can send the entire herd stampeding over the cliff:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/orthodox.htm#conflict

    Basically, in order to successfully navigate the alternatives takes a great deal of time, effort, intelligence, discernment, persistence, worldliness, and the willingness to go chasing after the truth, wherever it is, and realize that nobody has a monopoly on it. The right-wing libertarians and the Austrian School are not totally wrong, nor are far-left Marxist types. They all see parts of the whole and the downsides of orthodoxy. Even Alex Jones is not all wet, but it helps to know his ideological commitments. What keeps people stuck in their particular layer of the FE Onion:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

    is their ideological commitment, whether it is capitalism, nationalism, organized religion, scientism, and so on. Almost nobody is willing to give up their ideological teddy bears in a pursuit of the truth, and for those that do, they rarely stray far before they find a new teddy bear and their quest ends, and the margins are filled with vendors of new teddy bears and magic answers. Pretty much without exception, it is a scarcity-based teddy bear, designed to comfort the seeker, and that ends their seeking, as they have a new teddy bear to cling to. The conspiracist teddy bear can be seductive, as is the libertarian teddy bear, as is a great deal of “fringe” science. As I keep stating, developing a comprehensive perspective is not easy, and there will rarely be any support coming from those around you. People in the herd do not like to see people straying from it. It makes them nervous, as fear is what keeps them in the herd.

    I just finished studying a whole bunch of global economics, and is it ever the scarcity game, the scarcity game. The more I study global history and the human journey, the more this succinct statement envelops all of it:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#succinct

    It has always been an energy game, first and foremost, but it is easy to get lost in the weeds, particularly for the scientifically illiterate. As Western Europe engaged in record-breaking deforestation during the Medieval Warming Period, it learned the great energy boost that watermills provided, and they learned how to use the greatest organic engine of all time, the horse, to wrench more energy out of the land with heavy plow agriculture.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lar#post607647

    When Europeans gained the technical ability to ride the winds and currents of the oceans, they quickly conquered the world using the greatest energy technology yet developed:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post596748

    and along with enslaving humanity, they quickly drove the densest energy resource of the oceans, whales, to the brink of extinction:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm#whaling

    Tapping the power of coal, when the trees ran out, was the primary reason for England’s rise to global dominance, but it was just a quantum leap on an energy curve that it was already on. Science and technology rose along with it, but it was always energy that ran the show and was the primary predilection of the Europeans, although it all happened before the science of energy began to develop well into the 1800s. The science of energy really did not come into its own until that last half of the 1800s, and the Brits who did a lot of the early work have all manner of energy phenomena named after them, which is a scientist’s route to immortality.

    The temperature scales are named after northern Europeans: Rankine, Kelvin, Celsius, and Fahrenheit, with the relative scales coming in the early 1700s, and the absolute scales coming in the mid-1800s. Terms such as watt, coulomb, faraday, newton, maxwell, and so on, are named after the early empiricists and scientists, and they are all energy-related terms. People such as Einstein and Lawrence had elements named after them, and even America has an element named after it:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americium

    Since the very term America comes from an Italian mapmaker:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo_vespucci

    the white man’s ego is written large across the physical world. Where I live, some Indian names survive, but more are named after white “explorers,” such as Cortes Island:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortes_Island

    the Straight of Juan de Fuca:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Juan_de_Fuca

    Vancouver Island:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver_Island

    Mount Rainier:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Rainier

    and, of course, the biggest and best are named after our “fathers,” with my home state named Washington:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#blueprint

    and the biggest river on the West Coast named after good ol’ Chris C.:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_River

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#why

    Naming the natural world after themselves has been a white man’s fetish for quite some time. That megalomania was also evident in how Europe put every conquered people under the yoke, and where they did not just exterminate the inhabitants and take the land, the surviving peoples were enslaved to a euro-centric system of exploitation, and those dynamics have directly led to the mess that we have today, especially in the colonial world, and I will get to that soon, but now it is off to work.

    Best,

    Wade
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    The point I was making regarding the awake and aware, and meditation, was that the planet might be better served if they spent more time understanding how energy runs the show, and the potential that FE has to help us manifest a more heavenly reality into being, rather than spending hours on end themselves simply ‘being’. I've nothing against those who want to just 'be', but before too long there may not be a planet left to just ‘be’ on.

    Like Ilie, I have a few different interpretations of what meditation means. Focusing my consciousness on the space between two thoughts is one of them. Another is to imagine or clearly visualize future static or moving images in my mind’s eye, and to focus my awareness and consciousness on them as clearly as I can. I used the meditation and simply ‘being’ example above because it’s the one I have experience of hearing spiritual folk talk about most frequently. The main point I was making, which Wade picked up on, is that I don’t buy for a second the belief/notion that ‘We can’t change the world’. An individual meditating on a healed planet is important but won’t cut it on it’s own. It will take many thousands of people to also clearly imagine that kind of reality, alongside harmonic words and actions before it can manifest into focus. In many ways, our current reality along with our semi sentience is really a reflection of the limits of our collective imaginations due to a basic lack of collective knowledge and understanding. Scarcity is all that the majority can currently imagine on this planet, so that’s what we get. The crowning glory of the Global Elite's is that they have succeeded in making abundance unimaginable to the masses.

    On Sai Baba and his ashram....

    I read about him first on Wade’s website, and about a month ago I met a guy that hung out with him privately by "chance" on two separate occasions. I was amused by what he had to say about the experiences and having never been to an ashram before I decided that i'd go and check it out.

    I stayed one night in a dormitory and was blown away by how many guys there were that had shrines devoted to Sai Baba at the end of their bunk-beds, with multiple framed pictures and statuettes of the man. All around the ashram there are huge blown up framed photos of him including one in the canteen with flashing neon lights around it, and a stream of people bowing and praying to the pictures. I experienced precious little evidence that anyone was interested in Sai Baba’s messages of universal oneness and what have you, but plenty of evidence that the show was was all about worshiping the man himself.
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    David! A post like you just made is the point of my work. It is certainly not being disruptive. There is a big difference between being disruptive and bringing your awareness to the table and adding your two bits. Heck, you went to India, partly to check something out. That is anything but sitting in your easy chair, waiting for something to happen. If a tiny fraction of humanity had that kind of gumption, we would already be over the hump.

    When you have a moment, reflect on those posts that you made. Could you have made them three years ago? When I see posts like yours, I get “mission accomplished” feelings. When people like you and Ilie make your posts and mix it up with me, that is good stuff. You guys are getting it. The “nice” thing about life on Earth is that the learning never ends. I had mentors and outgrew them, and one day, you and Ilie will sing better than I will ever be able to. The more that I can help along the learning curve that you and Ilie are on, the better chance we have of turning the corner.

    Again, singing is not the only thing that is going to make FE happen, but it will help, and an abundance chorus, one that comes from the comprehensive, practical side of the house, has never been heard before. And yes, Godzilla is listening, and we will see how he responds, and whether he does. When he stepped on me, he had trouble wiping me off of the bottom of his foot, and I am still kind of stuck there. He might see this as a threat, and I have been giving pointers on this thread on how his emissaries ply their trade:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post637108

    and how even people in the FE field do Godzilla’s work for him:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...red#post621892

    This is dangerous territory, even when it seems like harmless posting on the Internet. I plan to take advantage of the Internet in a way that nobody has done before, and I am doing what I can so that it can have an impact, but can also present the minimum risk to the participants. You see all manner of posts here that are not in alignment with what I am trying, but your posts are anything but that.

    OK, a little on Europe. Economics is the study of humanity’s material wellbeing. It is not the be-all, end-all, but in a world of scarcity, economics is of primary importance, because when people are mired in scarcity, they can’t raise their eyes from the muck, as they battle for survival. And as I have written plenty and David just did, making a world of abundance unimaginable is Godzilla’s greatest triumph, and today’s economists all sing Godzilla’s tune, to one degree or another.

    Humanity’s material wellbeing is based on three things, as I wrote recently:

    1. Energy

    2. Manipulative ability (our hands)

    3. Intelligence (our brains)

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post651623

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post655010

    and the human journey has always been based on how we got our energy and how much we got:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#succinct

    Up until the rise of Europe, nearly all of the energy used by humanity was seized from life forms. As Europe began to harness wind and water power at levels never before seen, it initiated its rise, and when England began to exploit the energy of coal, the Industrial Revolution was off and running. It had a 50-80 year head start on its rivals, and they all used their energy practices to conquer the world. However, for all of the great evil that Europe inflicted on the world, including offspring such as the USA, several salutary trends also began with the rise of industrialization:

    1. Women began to be liberated;

    2. Slavery no longer made economic sense;

    3. The peasant’s road to wealth – large families – stopped making sense, and family sizes gradually declined in what is today called the demographic transition ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra...onomic_paradox )

    There were obviously many downsides to industrialization, and I have mentioned many of them, and may provide a list of them one day, but if you study the downsides, they were all distortions based on scarcity, energy scarcity in particular. For all the great evil that the USA has inflicted on the world, and anybody reading my work knows that I am anything but an apologist for the USA, the USA’s high standard of living, totally reliant on our level of energy use, has been a goal of most of the world’s people, and it is easy to see why. We live in relative abundance, and many of the social changes that have come with it have been salutary. I can stand in line behind the world’s richest man, and nobody even recognizes him:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#gates

    Google’s founders wear jeans and T-shirts, and Steve Jobs was a jeans guy, and I don’t know if Zuckerberg has been “typecast” like Alan Hale was (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Hale,_Jr ), wearing his skipper hat and shirt to his grave, but it will be interesting to see when/if he gives up his hoodie. This is radically different than any previous manifestation of great wealth, and it has to do with the post-war prosperity that the USA had. I was raised in that era, and I understand why Gates, Jobs, etc., did not feel the need to show off their wealth and “importance.” Are any of them big-time visionaries? No, but the mega-rich businessmen never have been, nor have figureheads like U.S. presidents. They are too committed to their “jobs,” and Godzilla makes sure that none of them get to peek behind the wizard’s curtain, and probably few of them even suspect that there is a man behind that curtain.

    But in a world of scarcity, what Europe did when it conquered the world was deindustrialize those it conquered. It did it so that it could turn the conquered peoples into a source of cheap labor that could produce gold, silver, sugar, and other luxury commodities that could be shipped to Europe. When Europe began to sail the high seas, their standard of living was not markedly different than anyplace else on Earth, and when they begin to invade North America, for instance, many invaders preferred the native lifestyle over the European one and “went native:”

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#jamestown

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#morton

    But once they conquered the unsuspecting natives, the Europeans then set themselves up as overlords, and the descent into slavery, in one way or another, began, and stayed that way until the Europeans finally left, which did not happen for a place like India until after World War II:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#bengal

    where the per-capita income of an Indian stayed the same during the entire two centuries of British rule. The disaster that India is today, which David is getting a snootful of as I write this, is a direct result of British rule. And the Europeans never quite left, either. India has been denied the oil resources of the nearby Middle East, for instance, to industrialize. In classic neo-colonial fashion, the USA has effectively deindustrialized Iraq, in genocidal fashion, as we steal their oil:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post652292

    in what will one day rank with Hitler’s crimes.

    In Marxian parlance, when people use energy, along with manipulative ability and social organization to build lasting buildings, urban and national infrastructure, and the equipment to make, maintain, and use them, that is called “capital.” It is not the “capital” of capitalists, as capitalist capital is the ownership of “natural” capital. Capital is what raises a people’s standard of living, and it all depends on energy. It can be argued that the deindustrialization of the world (for instance, India was ahead of Britain in ways for making steel, before the English conquered them) was an unintended byproduct of colonialism, but that is kind of hair-splitting. The conquered peoples were enslaved to serve Europe, and nobody could think that slavery was going to help them, although imperial apologists like Kipling could delude themselves that that was so:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#kipling

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post656277

    but the royal, imperial, and capitalist class has always had people eager to sell their souls to get a little of the gravy, the equivalent of Court historians ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_court ). So it is, in a world of scarcity.

    When the biggest cities in Latin America were mining towns:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post656277

    that reflected the incredible distortion on the native economies. The few survivors of the European conquest and “settlement” were reduced to slavery, although by mincing words, it gets called something other than slavery, but those people were certainly not free to pursue their lives. I am sometimes brought to tears when I think about what was lost in Europe’s conquest of the world, especially the nearly complete depopulation of the Western Hemisphere. When the marauding Spanish mercenaries finally saw the lakes in the Valley of Mexico and a shimmering city sitting in the middle of it, they thought that they were dreaming, and Tenochtitlan was more spectacular than any city that any European ever saw. Within a couple of years, the city was completely destroyed:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#aztec

    The mercenaries were similarly impressed with Cuzco, the Incan capital city, and they wasted no time in sacking it, and enslaving every able body into mining and plantation operations:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#inca

    Everywhere that the Europeans arrived, it was the same pattern of conquest and enslavement, and if the Europeans merely wanted the land, then it was extermination (while raping the women along the way was always a good way to spend time). Economically, it was always a catastrophe for the natives, as they lost control of their destiny. The karma of Europe and its offspring like the USA is dark and heavy, but if we can make FE happen, we can go a long way toward healing that damage. To me, that will be one of the primary upshots of FE, if we can make it. When I see Ilie and David (and the other regular contributors to these “Wade” threads) singing, I think we might have a chance to make my crazy choir idea a reality, and then we will see where it goes.

    Time for work.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    I have sketched Portugal’s violent establishment of its spice route. It took more than fifty years for Portugal to get past the end of Africa:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#portugal

    and when it did, it soon conquered Goa and Malacca:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...gal#post621451

    and they slaughtered the Muslims and Arabs:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Malacca_(1511)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...d_colonisation

    who were their chief competitors in the spice trade. Portugal also “discovered” and “settled” islands in the East Atlantic:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#azores

    and began turning them into deserts.

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#desertify

    In a prelude of what would happen to the natives of the Caribbean, the Spanish “discovered” the Canary Islands, and conquered the inhabitants and committed the first genocide of the era of European “discovery,” which was the first of many:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#guanches

    Portugal began the African slave trade at the same time:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#spice

    and a three-continent catastrophe was soon underway. The trans-Atlantic slave trade consumed perhaps twenty million lives:

    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#African

    and the lucky survivors lived short lives of slavery. The sugar plantations were 24/7 operations, and the term “seven-year slave” came from that era, as that was about how long a human would last under those conditions. The tobacco operations of North America were more seasonal and not 24/7 while in operation, and the American south was the only place where slaves lived long enough to be bred, which is primarily why the USA eventually joined the ban in trading slaves, because they could breed their own slaves.

    After slavery was finally abolished, Europe inflicted an even greater genocide on Africa during its rubber boom at the beginning of the twentieth century, in one of history’s most neglected genocides:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#congo

    led by Belgium, as it took a place at the imperial table.

    But I get ahead of myself. After the Portuguese established their “trade” route, Spain tried to take it away. Columbus was just the first of several who tried to find a “back door” to the spice trade, and after Magellan’s voyage was “successful,” several more Spanish voyages were launched, but all were miserable failures:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#_edn14

    This was all happening as Spain was going bankrupt:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#bankrupt

    and wars began raging in Europe, which were generally a battle of power between the Catholic Church and the Northern European polities. The Dutch battled the Spanish overlords for generations, and their conflict became part of Europe’s bloodiest era to that time, culminating in the Thirty Years’ War:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#thirty

    and Europe further refined the idea of total war. In the waning years of the Thirty Years’ War, the English began their own series of civil wars:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War

    which was really only the last of its civil wars, with the previous centuries seeing a civil war that lasted thirty years:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Roses

    which came after a hundred years of warfare with France:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War

    If you count them up, England/Britain participated in nearly sixty wars between 1500 and 1800:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...0%E2%80%931799

    Again, that “practice” that Europeans got in fighting each other, and the refinement of battle technologies and tactics, made them an irresistible force as they began to sail the high seas.

    The Puritan Revolution ultimately failed:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English...lish_Civil_War

    and there have been scholarly battles for centuries on what it all meant:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English...lish_Civil_War

    although the religious fanatics of England found fertile ground to “settle” in the New World, and they wasted no time in slaughtering and dispossessing the natives, and the real Thanksgiving celebrations of early colonial America were the celebrations when the natives were slaughtered:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#underhill

    While the symbol of the man who most appreciated the native way of life in New England was the maypole:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#morton

    the symbol of the Puritan invaders was the whipping post. That Puritanical heritage can be seen in the USA today. As I wrote recently, the modern environmental movement has its roots in Calvinist Christianity:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ist#post646730

    and I saw faux environmentalism in Boston:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#coalition

    as we began our free energy adventures.

    Before England industrialized, it first used up all the wood that was available, and its invasions of Ireland were primarily about seizing Ireland’s remaining forests to build its fleets, as England, Scotland and Wales had been deforested by then, particularly of the tall trees needed to make masts, which was the prime mover in history’s greatest energy technology to that time:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post650866

    and the invasion of New England was partly to seize mast wood, which played a significant part in the American Revolution:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_White_Pine#Masts

    I have written before about my heritage, and the Scots-Irish part of it. The Scots along Hadrian’s Wall became known as Borderer Scots, and their lands were continually the site of battles as the English conquered Scotland. They became the cannon fodder in conquering Ireland, with the beachhead established at the Ulster Plantation:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster

    The same class of people became the cannon fodder for the invasion of North America, brought in as buffer peoples by the English. The English got all the fertile valley land, and the Scots-Irish got the crappy hilly land, and that is where hillbillies came from, and my ancestors. That hillbilly stock is still the USA’s preferred cannon fodder in its imperial wars. I nearly went to the Air Force academy, largely due to those redneck notions:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#business

    That hillbilly, redneck heritage can still be seen in my family, and I was raised part redneck myself, but after I left home, I put it behind me pretty quickly. I have a close relative who is mentally disabled, and he kind of hero-worshipped hillbillies, even affecting their speech patterns, and moved near Appalachia and married into a hillbilly family. After a few years of that experience, the bloom came off the rose for him, and he later lamented that they lived like “animals.”

    Joe Bageant wrote very capably about the hillbilly, redneck culture of the USA:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bageant

    and how its roots go back to those borderer Scots. My family name is Scottish with a French spelling (that is a long story of how the Reformation made for a lot of migration, if you worshipped with the "wrong" brand of Christianity):

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#_edn145

    but my paternal grandmother’s side is where the hillbilly heritage comes from, as well as where most of my American Indian blood comes from, which my grandparents would not admit, as the Indians were subhumans, after all, in the culture they were raised in. I actually have enough native blood that I could have qualified for federal aid, but the last thing that my grandparents would admit to was Indian blood in the family. I consider myself white, with some Indian genes thrown in.

    While the Portuguese and Spanish led the pack with their pursuit of slaves, gold, and spices, the English and Dutch were not far behind, and by the early 1600s had supplanted their rivals. During the 1600s, the spice route was the site of continual battles among the imperial aspirants, with France also joining the game, although France was always kind of an underachiever, never reaching the top spot that the others reached, at one time or another. The east coast of the Western hemisphere became a battleground between the imperial rivals, and it can really make a reader dizzy to study all the machinations, wars, alliances, and the like:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#jockeying

    What was universally true was that the big losers were the rest of Earth’s peoples, as the imperial rivals battled for dominance. By the 1700s, the wars began to take on a truly multi-continental flavor, and George Washington actually ignited what could be called the first World War, with his attempted land grab in the Ohio River Valley:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#pontiac

    The French were on the losing end of that first World War:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#seven

    and the American Revolution was supported by France not because they were great believers in freedom, but it was great vengeance to wreak on Britain, losing its most successful colonies right at the height of its imperial glory. The American Revolution would likely not have succeeded without French help. Helping along the American Revolution had unintended consequences, as usual, in that it helped inspire the French Revolution a few years later. That also inspired the only successful slave rebellion in history, the Haitian Revolution:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#haiti

    which scared the hell out of the USA’s Founding Fathers, about half of whom were slave owners, especially all of those slave-owning presidents, from Washington and Jefferson onward. In that hallowed document, the Declaration of Independence, its first draft decried the evils of Britain’s slave trade, but as about half of the signers of that document were slave owners, that section was removed, but what all the Founding Fathers were united on was the “merciless Indian Savages” that they were exterminating:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#declaration

    By the early 1800s, Europe had largely abolished slavery, and the USA became increasingly seen as anachronistic and barbaric, with a string of slave-owning presidents parading through the White House, clear up until 1860:

    http://home.nas.com/lopresti/ps.htm

    and even the presidents after Lincoln were former slave owners. The USA did not recognize Haitian independence until 1862, for obvious reasons. But the situation of an industrialized North and a slave-owning South is perhaps the best example that I know of for how industrialization meant the end of slavery. Slavery did not make economic sense in the industrialized world, and slavery was an economic institution above all else:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Economics

    The skillsets required in an industrialized economy could not be taught to slaves, because with higher skillsets came literacy and the yearning for freedom. When literacy was finally taught to American slaves, it was confined to the Bible, which approved of slavery, and that uniquely black Christianity in the USA has its roots in that aspect of the slavery era.

    But what I think is very interesting is how the North and South developed their economies, and how it led to the crisis of empire that resulted in the USA’s Civil War, which was not about freeing the slaves, contrary to popular myth. It was about keeping the nascent empire held together. They wanted to avoid the fate of Britain, with its empire getting fragmented by revolting elites. The South was forcibly brought back into the fold in what is still the USA’s most devastating war, at least to itself, with scars that are still evident 150 years later. I will get to the development of the USA’s economy soon, but I will not totally neglect Europe, either, particularly Britain, which led the world in industrialization and imperial prowess until the late 1800s, when the USA began to overtake it during its Gilded Age.

    I will cover those days in a fair amount of detail, but for now it is chore time.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi Wade,

    Just a thought. What would happen if the Gonzilla of the world, decided to use new technogy, ie. free energy, instead of fossil fuels, hydroelectric power plants, nuclear plants, wind mills, and solar cells?

    Compromise, where they could still meter us, yet go from $200 a month down to $50.

    I pretty much know what you are going to say. Gonzilla is still going to charge us maybe $185 a month and keep the rest of the profit for themselves.

    Just a thought. At least you have me thinking!

    Best regards!

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    Hi Wade,

    I hear you. In the US we are all part of a melting pot. You know our ancestory is quite similar. I am Scott, Irish, English, French, German, and yes a little bit of Native American.

    And yes I am a hillbilly, even though I prefer mountaineer, as I was raised on the side of a mountain. lol!

    I was fortunate to grow up in a small coal mining community, similar to Mayberry, N.C.

    US Steel (yes Andrew Carnegie) owned the coal mines.

    But they built the best schools, hospitals, store, and hotel in the state. We had a country club!

    I know this an exception to the rule. I left when I was 20 after 2 years at the community college to go to the University, and never looked back!

    But my 4 brothers and one sister and all their chidren and mine are not included among the rednecks. Education is the key! We are all very separated now, geographically

    , but very close ie. phone, email, etc.
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    Hi Ol’ Roy:

    The game that Godzilla is playing is one of power, not profits. Wealth is only a means to power, and Godzilla maintains his power by making sure that everybody plays The Scarcity Game. As long as people are pitted against each other, scrapping for their slice of the pie, Godzilla has the game well in hand. Nothing is more dangerous to Godzilla’s position than FE or, as you describe it, abundant energy that is not quite free. From Godzilla’s perspective, FE is truly playing with dynamite, because if FE got loose, there is no way that Godzilla will be able to keep it a monopoly for long. As far as high-tech operations go, FE is not technically that difficult. If you can make an Intel chip, you can probably make a viable FE device if you have the instructions on how to make one. There is no technical effort on Earth of that sophistication that Godzilla could not shut down very easily. It requires too much sophisticated equipment and highly-technically personnel, which is anything but cheap, for any effort like that to run under the radar. Godzilla can also apparently tell when anybody on Earth taps the ZPF anyway, so there is no way to sneak past him, although plenty of FE newbies think that they can, in their naďveté.

    Once the FE genie gets out of the bottle, there is no way to put it back in, so Godzilla makes sure that the lid is on tightly. There have been enough “close calls” that Godzilla has adopted the policy of zero-tolerance, and his bag of tricks for keeping the genie in the bottle is impressive indeed. Tinkering inventors and scientists do not have a prayer.

    Godzilla knows full well that to let loose that technology, even under some kind of capitalist scenario that he can monopolize, is the beginning of the end of his reign on Earth. Of course, he is also playing chicken with Earth, threatening to wipe out not only humanity, but taking Earth’s ecosystems with us. That is why Godzilla has a truly insane contingency plan to terraform Mars if it all goes south here. Not everybody in Godzilla’s ranks is so insane, and sanity may prevail, but I call the so-called White Hats “so-called” because I am far from convinced that they are a bunch of good guys, but they are just sane and see the insanity of Godzilla’s power trip for what it is. The so-called White Hats gave my friend a peek at what is in Godzilla’s Golden Hoard:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

    and it was because they saw my friend as a contender for being the figurehead that they can bring FE out under, if the time was right. That show was given many years ago, and I do not know the state of the “battle” today, although Greer has said that it is a 70/30 split in favor of FE coming out, the last I heard:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#cabal

    But they all know full well that anything like bringing it out in “controlled” fashion will not last long, and it would not be long before it was democratized. One of the things that I am doing is helping make FE and what can come with it imaginable. I definitely have a head start on most of humanity, but it would not take long seeing FE devices in action for people to begin to think along these lines:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

    and the scarcity game will come to an end, even if we have to pay something to the utility. I really don’t see it going that way, because it is trying to fit the new wine into old skins, and anybody who has been familiar with the FE situation and its potential for long knows that its appearance will dwarf everything else in human history. It is that epochal and more so, and Godzilla knows it well. Antigravity will come right behind FE, too. So-called electrogravity needs a lot of energy to run it, and FE and antigravity are joined at the hip in more than one way.

    Time for more chores.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi Wade and All...been busy here in Peru but got a chance to pull a chair up...wonderful sharing of your hard work, Wade, Thank You again )

    With the surnames of Biron and Pelletier and Coogan and McCarthy I'm right in the middle of the mix of your current posts, haha.

    And you know a bit of my Native American 'connections' that have had a major influence on my journey ever so strongly, re-initiated in 2007 on that Nipmuc Hill in MA.

    We shall overcome...there are enough Good Earnest Souls taking 'selfless action' now, I am meeting more of them every new day on my travels : )
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    Look at all of these globetrotters checking in!

    Yes, Ol’ Roy, you escaped, as did millions of people during the postwar boom, which was the biggest economic bubble of all time. Energy towns like what you grew up in helped, if you weren’t one of the poor bastards that had his life shortened by the mine work.

    Dennis escaped:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#dennis

    My father’s family escaped:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#kansas

    and I know many former hillbillies/rednecks who were able to get educated and escape, even if they still have an accent. Joe Bageant was another:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bageant

    The biggest economic bubble of all time provided the opportunity, and it was all energy-driven. Education alone would not have done it. My father knew scientists from Korea from long ago, but who got their education in the USA, and when they went back home they fed the chickens like everybody else (it was before Korea industrialized). Education without a way to use it is one of the “imbalances” of the current era, where if somebody gets educated they have to leave home, and for the poor nations, that means leaving their mother country. My neighborhood is full of Microsofties, and few are Americans, but come from the world’s poor nations such as India, China, etc.

    Safe travels, eaglespirit. Going to The Ranch this summer might have been on my agenda, but it looks like it won’t be, but we will see.

    Back to chores,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    I want to point out some dynamics in this narrative that may not be obvious to some, and it has to do with those energy feedback effects that I have mentioned. An energy feedback effect grew our brains:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post534910

    but the one that led to Old World civilizations was the burning of wood to smelt metal, which in turn made metal axes to fell trees easier, which exposed the soils so that sunlight did not feed trees, but crops, which led to making plows from metal, which led to attaching animals to plows:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ack#post543474

    That cycle of positive feedbacks led to the appearance of the civilization in the Fertile Crescent that eventually spread to the entire world, often violently.

    The rise of England was a combination of harnessing water and wind power, along with getting more work out of horses with the horse collar:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lar#post624099

    and when the trees were used up, even the trees of its neighbors, England learned to use coal to run engines that removed the water from its coal mines, allowing more coal to be mined, while at the same time baking the impurities out of coal, to use it in smelting, which allowed for more metal to be smelt, which led to making iron-intensive railroads, which allowed freight to be moved overland with less energy being expended, which led to cities not needing to be established on waterways, which Watt’s steam engine further reinforced, and those dynamics allowed for the English to rapidly dispossess the natives of North America and erect an English-style industrial civilization on the graves of the dispossessed. Those were all positive feedback energy events that rolled onward to create the juggernaut known today as the USA, as it does its best to subjugate the entire planet, and woe be to any nation of non-white people who are sitting on our oil.

    Here is some more on the Western energy follies, which are increasingly in the news.

    More dregs-sucking foolishness:

    http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...il-theory.aspx

    And in my backyard is a problem that won’t go away anytime soon:

    http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/...ly-radioa.html

    although the DOE admitted to my face that nuclear waste management is a racket:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#yull

    Back to chores.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    At this stage of the narrative of the rise of Europe, I probably should just refer to my essays, as I have already covered that territory pretty thoroughly, but I will make some references and discuss controversies in this area that I have been following for a long time.

    Columbus stumbled into the New World in 1492. He was more of a medieval Crusader than a Renaissance man. His log, where he tells the Spanish sovereigns that he hopes to find enough gold to finance another Crusade into the Holy Lands:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#crusade

    his notion that gold was literally the ticket to heaven:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#ticket

    his Biblical and apocalyptic Book of Prophecies and his unfounded reporting of Cyclops and man-eating people:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#cannibal

    put to rest the hagiography that have him being some kind of man of science, including setting out to prove that the world was round:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#irving

    He was a great dead reckoning sailor, but not so great of a mariner:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#mariner

    In the final analysis, he was only the first representative of his culture, and as his successors so aptly demonstrated, the invading Spaniards were basically a bunch of mass-murdering thieves, almost wholly without any virtue whatsoever. The Spaniards get the “honor” of being responsible for history’s greatest demographic catastrophe, but that was just because they were the first on the scene. Their successors, the Portuguese, the Dutch, the English, and the French were also mass-murdering thieves, but they did not have the opportunities of conquering and enslaving huge sedentary populations like the Spaniards did. The civilizations of Mesoamerica and the Andes were completely destroyed by the Spanish, and the survivors were virtually all enslaved into mining and plantation operations. Hernando de Soto had the dubious distinction of being at the vanguard of raping Central America, South America, and North America:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post582331

    As a butcher and destroyer, he is in rarified company with the likes of Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler, Roman emperors, and American presidents. The arrival of the Spanish was universally disastrous for the natives, even the “winners” such as the Tlaxcalans. Smallpox devastated the natives of Mesoamerica, and helped out the Aztec conquest:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#question

    Any thorough perusal of the first century of the Western Hemisphere’s invasion:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#first

    leaves the reader with a sense of horror, not glory, but we still celebrate Columbus Day in the USA:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#why

    I have people in my life who beat their chests about the glory of Spain in that first century of “discovery,” and how they got a jump on the English in the imperial sweepstakes. The innumerable atrocities committed by the Spanish invaders were eventually reported back to the Spanish Crown, and one book in particular became the basis for the “Black Legend” that Spain’s rivals used against it:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#indies

    which was published sixty years into the invasion and genocide. The Vatican’s response (at the same time that it was publishing is infamous Index (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#index) was to bury subsequent works in its archives, and Las Casas’s history of the Caribbean and Pedro de Cieza de León’s history of the Incas:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#cieza

    were not published for three hundred years.

    Over the years, I have heard that my work was unnecessarily negative and bitter. From what I have seen, such critics have completely missed the point of my work, and I have to suspect that it is an intentional misunderstanding. My point is not that the Spaniards were a bunch of mass murdering thieves, but that we celebrate their feats. Columbus, Washington, Serra, Soto, Cortes, and the rest of that rogues’ gallery have cities, nations, rivers, states, and so on named in their honor. Columbus was once up for sainthood, and Serra still is:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#saint

    It would be as if Europe was dotted with Hitlervilles and ubiquitous statues of Der Fuhrer if the Nazis were successful, with Auschwitz being some kind of museum to Hitler’s greatness. That is my point.

    Even Mother Teresa was arguably a mass-murdering thief:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...esa#post645385

    taking in hundreds of millions of dollars under unaccountable and likely false pretenses, while her real mission was literally sending her charges to heaven ASAP, not healing them. George Bush is a mass-murdering thief, too (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post652292), but emperors never have to face justice in our world. Only the losers do.

    But there are legitimate controversies about those early days of conquest, such as what the state of civilization was in the Western Hemisphere in 1492, how many lived there, if there was pre-Columbian cultural contact with other peoples, and so on. One big one that I even became embroiled in was if the inhabitants of Espańola, where the Spanish first “colonized,” were completely exterminated, or if some survived, and if some did, what proportion of the original population survived. I have posted a brief note about the issue:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#note

    and hope to one day dive a little more deeply on it. At this time, it is well-established that the population decline on Espańola was virtually total, if not total. The pre-Columbian population on Espańola is a chief area of debate on the 1492 population of the Western Hemisphere. I have seen estimates for the 1492 population of Espańola as low as 60K and as high as eight million. It is the infamous battle between the “low counters” and the “high counters,” and the Espańolan population debate is part of the Western Hemisphere debate that puts the 1492 population between eight million and over a hundred million.

    The most recently study that I am aware of is Massimo Livi Bacci’s, as documented in his Conquest, which estimates the Espańolan population at about 250K, and the Western Hemisphere at 30-40 million. Livi Bacci is a demographer and careful scholar, and does anything but justify what the Spaniards did, but his will be far from the last word on the subject, if there ever will be. For instance, the Spaniards became deathly ill when they arrived, and Oviedo, who was anything but an ally of the natives, repeated the assertion of his mortal enemy, Las Casas, that the epidemic that accompanied Columbus’s men as soon as they stepped off of their ships in 1493 left the natives dead in great, stinking piles, although Livi Bacci dismisses the notion. Today, it is thought that some variety of influenza was the culprit, and the natives had no defense to the disease. The issue is still subjected to scientific investigation:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16762260

    Nobody wants to admit to being the source of syphilis, and European nations have been accusing each other of “inventing” and spreading it for several centuries, and the Taino have been accused of it, but it may well have been something initiated by the Spanish rapists and subsequently “invented” in Europe:

    http://www.uctp.org/index.php?option...ask=view&id=76

    Even though I stated that I should just refer to my essays, I just spent the morning reading up on the subject, once again, and I’ll give some idea of how great the controversy is. Dominica is in the Lesser Antilles:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominica#History

    and because of the fierce resistance of the natives (today called Caribs) and there was no gold to be had, the Spanish initially left it alone, but as with the entire periphery of the Caribbean, they raided it for slaves to work the mines and plantations of Espańola and Puerto Rico, as the native populations swiftly collapsed under the Spanish lash. The Lesser Antilles were sparsely populated, compared to Espanola, Puerto Rico, and Jamaica. In a relatively recent study of the population of Dominica in 1492, the authors noted a complete dearth of pre-contact population studies for the Lesser Antilles, and they arrived at a 1492 population of around 15K.

    http://sites.maxwell.syr.edu/clag/ye...urkelovell.htm

    Espańola is a hundred times larger than Dominica, and so would have had a population of around 1.5 million in 1492, extrapolating from the Dominica estimate, and the islands are topologically and climactically similar. That is far less than eight million, but far higher than 250K.

    Similarly, the minimalists have rejected the idea that the Mesoamerican smallpox epidemic of 1520, which began on Espanola in 1518, wiping out most of the rest of the natives (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#fate), was really very damaging to the Mesoamericans, and papers like this one take the minimalists to task:

    http://www.hist.umn.edu/~rmccaa/noncuant/democat0.htm

    and this morning I was reading my copy of Peter Martyr’s De orbo novo:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Martyr_d%27Anghiera

    in response to reading the “pyrrhic victory” statement:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%A...lation_decline

    which I have seen for years at Wikipedia. I have half a mind to challenge/change it, as it makes the Taino famine into some sort of miscalculation on their part in a “battle.” They were trying to avoid extermination. But that kind of bias is endemic at Wikipedia:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/wikimass.htm

    I am going to have to do battle with Wikipedia’s “editors” on Brian O’s bio this year:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_O%27Leary

    and I am not looking forward to the experience, but somebody needs to try to manage his legacy there.

    In that wonderful talk given by David Stannard that I recently heard:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ard#post643684

    he ended it beautifully, saying that the reason for studying genocides is to learn to not commit them anymore. Obviously, the USA has not learned the lesson at all, and is the world’s leading genocidist nation today, with what we recently did to Iraq and what we are still doing to Afghanistan.

    Yesterday, I was reading my recent issue of Z Magazine, and read the most recent article on Libya and Africa by this guy:

    http://www.zcommunications.org/natos...dan-glazebrook

    http://www.zcommunications.org/libya...dan-glazebrook

    Virtually no American knows it, but Gaddafi was the leading figure in trying to unite Africa against neo-imperialism by Europe and the USA. The USA tried to kill Gaddafi in the 1980s, based on our usual lies:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#libya1

    but this latest “Arab Spring” overthrow and murder of Gaddafi was all about wiping out an obstacle to our imperial plans, as are Syria and Iran today, etc. It may take a while, but we usually kill our targets, even if they were our assets, such as Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. The hypocrisy is surreal. Uncle Ed wrote a book titled Beyond Hypocrisy, as the USA’s actions have gone so far past hypocrisy that new term had to be used, and he selected chutzpah, and he calls the USA Uncle Chutzpah in his writings. And he has even recently stated that the USA has gone beyond chutzpah in its admonishments of with Syria:

    http://www.zcommunications.org/beyon...dward-s-herman

    so some new term will have to be selected.

    I really don’t have the time or emotional reserves to cover chapter and verse of the invasion, conquest, genocide, and “settling” of the New World by the Europeans. These essays cover the territory fairly well:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm

    and if I can find the time this year, I plan to revisit them and do a little editing/rewriting, but they hold up pretty well to my eye, all these years later.

    Time for chores.

    Best,

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    Hi:

    It won’t be easy for me, but I want to leave aside, to some degree, the awesome crimes that Europe committed when it learned to sail the world. As I wrote earlier, stealing three continents from their inhabitants was history’s greatest economic event. Even in college, I heard economists say how little the “Third World” meant to the West, but that is either disingenuous or blind or both, without their land to steal, the European experience would have been a very different one, and it is legitimate to wonder if the Industrial Revolution would have happened at all. Europe also already had a great debt to Islam for reintroducing the Greek writings that the Catholic Church eradicated as “pagan,” which led to humanism and the rise of science:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#toledo

    The horse collar came from China, which allowed horses to pull plows, which was a huge economic boost to Europe:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lar#post624099

    Those pagan Greeks also invented the watermill:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermi...ical_antiquity

    The caravel is what the Portuguese used to begin to sail the high seas:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravel#History

    It turns out that the legendary Henry the Navigator may not have had a “school” where the skills of “discovery” were learned:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_...se_exploration

    but what was learned borrowed from Islam, although Europeans get credit, and where the most credit is due is for their predilection for violence. The incessant wars of Europe enhanced the tools of violence and the skills to use them. Once Europe developed the technical prowess to take advantage of ocean current and winds, it then became an irresistible force that few people on Earth could withstand. The Japanese and Chinese kept out the Portuguese interlopers, which bought them centuries of freedom from European conquest. But for the rest of the world’s peoples, conquest came, some quickly, and for others more slowly, but it eventually came for everybody.

    In the Western Hemisphere, the invasion by Europe led to what is today called the Columbian Exchange:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbian_Exchange

    Most importantly, the Columbian Exchange brought the Western Hemisphere’s foods to the rest of the world, which is what began the global population boom, as they were far more productive crops than what much of the Old World had to offer. Potatoes, manioc, sweet potatoes, and maize were highly superior crops that many Old World peoples soon came to subsist on, from the potato in Ireland and Russia to the sweet potato in northern china, to manioc in tropical Africa and Asia and maize in Africa. And it was not just “luck” that “gave” the Indians such productive crops (this fact also militates against the “sparsely populated Western Hemisphere” meme of the conquering White Man). For many years, scientists have tried to figure out how maize was invented by the Indians.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize#Origin

    and however the Indians did it, it may be the greatest feat in the history of agriculture. Maize is so dependent on humans that if there were no humans, there would be no maize. It has to be plucked off the cob and buried in order to grow. In 1492, the natives of the Western Hemisphere had developed three thousand varieties each of potatoes and maize, and maize was grown from Chile to New England. Corn and potatoes are my personal staples, along with fruit. The Columbian Exchange went both ways:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbi...hange#Examples

    The Columbian Exchange was the greatest exchange of flora and fauna since the joining of North and South America three million years ago:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Interchange

    and another thing that white people have tended to minimize is the Indian contribution to democratic forms of government. The USA’s Constitution partly has the Iroquois to thank:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#iroquois

    and the European encounters with the Indians of North America may have well been influential on the Enlightenment of the 18th century:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#voltaire

    which is credited in large measure with the form of government that the USA adopted, but not too many white people seem to be interested in finding out.

    All that the Spanish wanted from the New World experience was gold and silver, and they killed off their labor supply, so within a century, Spain and its imperial domains slipped into a depopulated backwater.

    The English originally sought gold, too, but when they came up empty:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#english

    it became a very short-lived fur trade, and then tobacco in the southern lands of Virginia. The English also wasted no time getting involved in the slave trade, and Charleston became a slave center, for enslaving the Indians and shipping them off to short lives on Caribbean sugar plantations:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#charleston

    From an economic perspective it was all a disaster, as tobacco and sugar were recreational drugs, and silver and gold were worthless metals – their only value was in their scarcity:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/savings.htm#smith

    The fur was the only item with an intrinsic value, as it conserved energy, but a great deal of it was for fashion, as beaver-skin hats became quite the rage, in a Europe where wearing fur was once reserved for royalty, as Europe had long ago decimated its fur-bearing animals, and the effort would soon circle the entire globe, meeting from East and West in the west coast of North America (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#fur ), similar to how whaling became a globe-circling enterprise, as all the whales were decimated:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm#whaling

    The only “worthwhile” economic effect for England was the introduction of Indian foods and a “virgin” continent to plunder. The forests and soils of the Eastern Woodlands were intact, which was a huge boon to the invaders, with their toolset that could wrench the energy from the land like the Indians either could not or would not. History’s most spectacular deforestation was soon underway, and not only did the Indians of the woodlands become extinct, but so did the woodlands bison and the passenger pigeon, which flew in what were likely the greatest flocks in Earth’s history. It took less than three hundred years for the invaders to completely level the Eastern Woodlands, and here is where the discussion will become more “economic,” as the Eastern Woodlands were a great place to reproduce the English political-economy. It was far richer than the deforested and eroded British Isles, and it did not take the Europeans long to figure it out, and human history’s greatest migration was soon underway.

    Again, it is hard to quantify and even qualify what the opening of an entire hemisphere to European exploitation did for Europe. The New World became a huge safety valve for Europe’s huddled masses, and if the state of Europe before 1492 is any indication, its fortunes increased dramatically with the rape and plunder of North America. The Spanish “wasted” their opportunity in their stupidity:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#carl

    but the English, Dutch, and French began to take advantage early on, but the North American experience was always primarily an English experience. The Dutch and French really did not commit many of their people to the migration experience. On the eve of the American Revolution, nearly a million of England’s “surplus population” lived in North America, while the French had only about 50K.

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#french

    So the European experience in North America was dominated by England’s political-economic dynamics. Being an island nation, England was socially isolated and backward, compared to the more cosmopolitan Dutch and French, and that heritage is with the USA today. The English were the most openly exterminatory toward the Indians of the European invaders, and they were the most xenophobic. I doubt that it is a coincidence that the Industrial Revolution began in England at the same time that it was flooding its surplus population into the New World, and not all of it was voluntary. I wrote earlier about the Enclosure and Game laws that kicked the peasants off the land, which created the workforce for the Industrial Revolution:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ure#post623427

    Those peasants who were not cooperative with the program were forcibly removed from English society, and in the early days of industrialization, “criminals” were shipped off to Georgia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...British_colony

    After the American Revolution, that avenue for dumping the restless herd members was shut off, and the English began dumping them onto Australia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...lonial_society

    It had the effect of culling the herd in England, conditioning them for life in the mills and factories. Again, quantifying the effect is probably impossible, but it had to have had a great impact on the Industrial Revolution. The Inquisition did not have to burn that many people at the stake, but a few flaming examples were sufficient to terrify the herd.

    It is time for work, but what is coming is the rise of industrialization and how it worked both in Europe and the USA.

    Best,

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    Hi Wade, you go deep in your human history narratives. while reading your last posts, I couldn't help but thinking that there might be some kind of a 'karmatic justice' in here (God forbid). It used to be the white man towering over other races and enslaving them, now the power that be don't care whether we are black or white, they just want to create human slaves on this planet, regardless of religion, race, gender or class. One can cynically suggest a poetic justice - we all taste the dishes prepered by our own hands. Or maybe this may sound too harsh?

    Slavery seemed to always be present on this planet, It looks as if it used to be a recognised institution since the days of Sumer as well as Egypt. When in 1779 Fredrich Blumenbach created the notion of race, he basically rooted the racial distinctions as we know it today and helped to steadily increase the separation between people even more, although one may argue that this is only a scientific distinction:

    Blumenbach divided the human species in 1779 into five races, later founded on crania research (description of human skulls), and called them (1793/1795):

    the Caucasian race or white race
    the Mongolian or yellow race
    the Malayan or brown race
    the Ethiopian, or black race
    the American or red race.





    He was a European. I read that the word 'slave' comes from 'slav', which refers to the european group of people. from the historical explanation on the meaning of the word 'slave' -

    " The derivation of the word slave encapsulates a bit of European history and explains why the two words slaves and Slavs are so similar; they are, in fact, historically identical. Slavs became slaves around the beginning of the ninth century when the Holy Roman Empire tried to stabilize a German-Slav frontier..."

    Another one who was not shaming the European tradition was the English born Cecil Rhods, the founder of the southern African territory Rhodesia. From Wikipedia:

    " Rhodes used his wealth and that of his business partner Alfred Beit and other investors to pursue his dream of creating a British Empire in new territories to the north by obtaining mineral concessions from the most powerful indigenous chiefs.."

    We now need to reinvent ourself from the beginning. revealing free energy to the world is the ONLY thing that can free us from our own slavery self, from this on-going wheel, from other's agenda's. In relations to energy the word free has a double meaning, but it is basically the same. You always say, Wade, that it is going to change us in ways that we can not even imagine. yes, it will bring abundance to an almost dying world, but it will also dismantle our states of minds, our ways of thinking, our behaviours to a point that we might not recognise ourselves. It would be a developmental progression like we never knew. It is absolutely something to look forward to!
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    Hi Limor:

    You are like Ilie, David, and CdnSirian in that you either do not think highly of your observations or are concerned about interrupting the cadence of my posts, and you are among the best contributors. My experience has been that the most thoughtful and considerate people think that way, and you need not be so hard on yourself. There was a lot of profound beauty in your post. I saw your post before you deleted it, and below was partly the beginning of my response to it, but now that your post is gone, I will add some context so that my response is understood.

    You mentioned that FE is likely the only way out of our mess. My reply is…

    I am actually sympathetic to the small-ball “solutions” put forth by scarcity-addicted people such as Heinberg:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#austerity

    but it would take vastly more enlightenment to voluntarily reduce Earth’s population to less than a billion than it does to reach the level of enlightenment where we can handle abundance. That is where their “solutions” are not practical in the slightest, and their dismissal or semi-ridicule of FE, even treating it like the enemy, has been so mind-boggling to those in the FE field. It took me many years to realize that I was seeing an addiction to scarcity.

    I am not sure that FE is the only way out, but it is by far the easiest, and the only one with the potential to be truly abundant and environmentally harmless. But as I can attest, there is nothing easy about it, but trying to convince humanity that it needs to self-exterminate itself is sure not a job that I would want. My task may be thankless, but Heinberg has really taken on a hard task.

    Yes, the magnitude of what FE means is truly overwhelming, and that is part of what scares everybody. As I have found out however, it is not really the fear that we will blow the planet up, but that we all lose our niches in our scarcity-based world.

    Yes, the transformations of FE will be many, such as environmentally and economically, but biggest ones for people will be socially and spiritually, and the shift from a paradigm of scarcity to abundance will be the single biggest transition in the human journey.

    To people such as Brian O, me, and the few others like us, it began to become apparent that we were not really up against Godzilla, although having him chew on you is never fun, but we were up against the scarcity-based paradigm that rules people’s hearts and minds. Making FE happen is not really about technology, but about love and sentience. People who can make the paradigm shift from scarcity to abundance, without having it first delivered to their door, almost do not exist on the planet, and that is partly why I say that I am looking for needles in haystacks.

    I did not think about the racism part of your post much before your post was deleted, but racism really began its ascent with Europe’s conquest of the world, and getting on a ship surrounded with people of one skin color (white, usually), and getting off of it some months later to be surrounded by people of markedly different skin, hair, and eye color was something new. In the 1700s, racism began having a scientific basis, and it began to become more pronounced in the next century with Darwin’s theory of evolution and the resulting social Darwinism that began to appear. By World War II, American scientists actually said with straight faces that the Japanese had brains well behind American development, in evolutionary terms. Of course, Hitler’s regime took it to new levels, but it only stood on the shoulders of a pretty deeply ingrained racism that the USA the champion of. In terms of scale, intensity, and duration, the USA is history’s most racist nation, and it is not all in the past here, either. If the people of Iraq and Afghanistan had white skin, we would not have murdered millions of them in the name of hydrocarbons.

    I was raised racist, as were all of my friends, to one degree or another. It would be nice for racism to go away completely in my lifetime, and great strides have been taken in many areas, but we have a long way to go. Scarcity-based ideologies are baked deeply in all areas, but I would like to think that the really crude ones, such as sexism, racism, sexual orientation-ism, ethnic discrimination, and the like will go away before the broader ones do:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

    Until we have economic abundance, all ideologies that seek the raise one group above another, ultimately economically, are going to be difficult to overcome. If you study New World slavery, it did not become very racist until captured Africans were brought over, and then the economics and racism of American slavery become mutually reinforcing, and it is still with us, as blacks are very disenfranchised, but their treatment is tame compared to American Indians, where reservation Indians have some of the lowest life expectancies on Earth, about thirty years less than the adjoining white population. The numbers are incredible. But yes, Godzilla is not so particular, race-wise, as the entire human family is the herd he is milking. Godzilla is not all white men.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi Wade, Thank you, I deleted the post because I did not like the tone in which I wrote, the words and the way to convey them don't come easy to me (much like the lyrics of the song : ) and it does not reflect me or the way I speak in real life.. since you related to it I will re-post it (I have a saved draft in my email when I first wrote it)

    Waw, Heinberg's self made eugenics suggestion to the near future, requires a great deal of understanding, awarness and respect for the planet from society in order to cooperate with this plan, the absurd is that if these would have exist in the first place then the earth would have looked like heaven by now, but not really, because those understandings are also based on limitation. I can more and more understand what you mean by relating to our 'scarcity mind'. There seem to be many honest people and researchers who are seeing the problem, looking for solutions and a way out but when the mind thinks with the same state that created the problem (as your uncle Albert implied) it's simply going in circles and creating more of the same.

    In defense of those who refuse to believe in FE I think that we can all attest that it is highly difficult to shed the software that we have been programmed with all our lives, not to mention all of society's life, not to mention all of human history life as we know it. when we are told that something does not exist or impossible to be, we tend to believe it. I remember the first few conscious happenings in my life in 2006 which deviated towards the paranormal, the first feeling I had was being 'offended' that no one has prepered me for such a thing, neither my teachers, the school, my parents, the media and newspapers or any other adult in my life, yet I knew that what I am going through is very real. part of accepting new things especially when it comes to new physics is the need to deprogram, the same thing we are required to do with our systematic scarcity state of mind. It is one of the most important things you gave your attention to, Wade. But by god it's hard. it is a life time project, and it first, I believe, needs to be done on an individual basis, Will we be able to learn it fast enough?
    You yourself say that people who can make the shift (in mind) almost do not exist on the planet, what does that make of you, Wade? a believer in the unbelieveable, a visionary? : ) you are very well may be a creator, as you've been told once or twice by mystics. But there is also enough evidence around when someone chose to remove the blinding from their eyes.

    On racism: Israel is a minature example of the US, there are jews from all the various nationalities that one may imagine, Russians and Ethiopians and Europeans and Africans, Japanese, Iraqis, Yemenites, blacks, white, brown, yellow and it is as much a racist country with a lot of division to sectors and community separatism as much as in the US, without any attempt to disguise it. There is no education or sufficient governmental program designed to bridge the gaps, on the contrary, as is known, people in small groups are always easier to operate.

    Racism may go away when something else will come that will make us people unite with one another, then a new racism will be created against off worlders. it is all about fear from the unknown and is also about not knowing who we are and the environment that we live in. the world apparently is not (yet) our oyster

    Quote Originally posted by Wade Frazier: "Godzilla is not all white men. "
    In this regard I would like to add - Godzilla is not all man.


    Let's create a pleasent day ~


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    Hi Limor:

    Big subjects you bring up. Yes, shedding the scarcity mindset is the hard part, and each person needs to do the work. My narrative on energy and the human journey is largely intended to show how energy scarcity has shaped our past, but also how relative energy abundance has led to the world today, but that it is also only relative, and we still fight over energy, much like hunter-gatherers once did and in every stage of civilization. We just do it on a global scale today.

    My “experiment” here is if I can get enough people to understand the role that energy plays in our lives, and how many of our activities are energy-related – obtaining, preserving, and consuming it – and how energy scarcity defines our existences, even in history’s most energy-abundant nation. If I can accomplish that, then more people will focus on what is important, and what the potential of FE is. Again, Godzilla’s greatest triumph is making FE and abundance unimaginable.

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm

    On the human aspect, in this world that Roads visited:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade

    those grey humanoids that were orchestrating the misery in that civilization were only parasites, taking advantage of a situation that humans had already created for themselves in their greed and indifference. As I wrote, those dynamics are happening on Earth, today. Roads did not cover it in his vignette, but those people agitating for an ascent from that hell that humans had created for themselves were not all about: “Let’s go get the grey beings!” They saw that humans were responsible for that hellish world, and even if they became aware of those grey beings, the only productive response would have been to stop being such easy meat for them. The situation on Earth today is likely very similar. Today, we are heading toward that world more than we are the heavenly one:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

    When everybody lives in scarcity and fear, then parasites like Godzilla take advantage of the opportunity. Conspiracists often make the case that Godzilla is only current “management” of the human herd, and off-worlders have been involved from the beginning. It could well be, but the only solution is to stop being such easy meat. I don’t know if what that “archangel” told me was true, but it made sense. Whether I helped design the planet or not, I can see what FE and abundance can mean to not only human journey, but the species we share the planet with, and our dear old Mother Earth.

    I have to go to work soon, but to briefly get back to the rise of Europe and the USA, the English and American experiences were very different. The English had a pronounced caste system, and even slaves in Scotland. The conquered Irish became very much second-class citizens, and conquering them was a warm-up for the invasion of North America, and similar tactics were used, including bringing in the conquered peoples as colonist cannon fodder. The Indians began fighting back as they were exterminated:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#english

    but they never really had a prayer. The energy methods from the Old World provided for a higher carrying capacity, which meant that more people could be supported on a given amount of land, at least until the land was wrecked. In biological studies and species competition, the species with the highest carrying capacity (the ability to wrench energy from the environment) always wins.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ity#post546922

    So it was when the Europeans encountered the natives of the Western Hemisphere. And once the pesky Indians were exterminated and the remnants removed, there was an intact temperate forest, the largest intact one on Earth, that the English and their descendants mercilessly plundered for three centuries, until it was all gone. There is virtually no virgin forest east of the Mississippi, and the “wilderness” area east of the Mississippi amounts to maybe a square mile or two. There are many thousands of square miles of wilderness in my home state, lucky man that I am. Hiking in it has helped keep me sane on my journey.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post609407

    As I recently wrote, in a meeting of English and American diplomats soon after the American Revolution somebody noted the biggest difference between England and the USA: the Americans were all about a foot taller than the English:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ats#post632391

    That was all about energy. The rich soils of the intact Eastern Woodlands were far more productive than the depleted soils of England. Today, the world’s poor nations ingest only about two-thirds the daily calories in their food as Westerners do. If you go to Southeast Asia, for instance, everybody is small, compared to Americans. That is all about calories. Japanese women were all dainty, not so long ago, but as they have been getting Western levels of calories, Japanese women are now as big as American women, if not so fat.

    But early on in the American experience, they began to use coal as the woodlands were leveled, and they actually used English coal in the early days, as it was cheaper to transport English coal across the Atlantic than it was to move coal twenty miles over the American roads of the day. That goes back to the fact that water-borne transportation is about a hundred times as energy efficient as overland, although rails and paved roads have made land travel more energy efficient. But even today, moving goods around the world by the oceans is by far the most energy efficient means.

    Time for work.

    Best,

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    Loving ever minute of this day and thread :-)

    Hi Everyone,

    IMHO it is all about power and control.................what is power=energy and having all the energy=control and when the masses, individually begin to accept that they give their energy away to the myriad of divisive ism's we will come together as a species in the future.

    In the meantime FE is the fulcrum to tip the scales for humankind to be free and safe enough to begin a revolution of self actualization of energy's true existence and who really has always had the power. Mother Earth is a wonderful loving and living example of creating non-stop beauty while suffering abuse unabated. One day with the aide of FE we will integrate and become one, if not in this lifetime, then maybe the next and if not in this Universe then maybe the next...........................

    IMHO evolution is a process and thank you for doing all you can to move the process forward. Even though it is a dance, with one step forward and two steps back I recognize we are dancing like never before. Some days I'm just peacefully waltzing along, or energized by the jitter bug, others I'm doing the hectic and dramatic tango, etc, etc. The beautiful awareness is that I know I'm dancing and conscious as to which dance I'm participating in and if I'm not loving it and or the dance partner I may be swaying with then I can readily change the music, dance alone or create a whole new dance and or partner, because I hear the music............... Stay tuned everyone because that is were the real power and FE lies and together we may just LOVE this world into a path of eventual "Heaven on Earth".

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    Default Re: WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

    Hi Y'all;

    I would like to acknowledge that I've been considerably quiet on this thread. I'm having trouble finding my voice and I'm starting to understand why, there's various reasons. I'll admit to the fear factor. I'm working on it, as I type this.

    The thing is for some strange reason the material in Wade's essays is not all that unfamiliar to me. I've read a number of essays from Wade's website including some of the long extensive ones. And although I learn lots of new info that I didn't know, the underlying themes I've more or less understood for awhile. I'm an introverted observer who's been looking at the world around me, scratching my head and wondering 'we've got to be able to do better than this' since an early age. Seriously, ten minutes with me in person and anyone would realize; I'm not your average american. Granted I have enjoyed all of the same benefits that Wade has; male, white, educated american.

    I used to get into huge arguments with my parents back in my teens around these issues of capitalism, imperialism, nationalism etc.. I didn't have the skills, experience or knowledge base to effectively argue my case. And they basically ran linguistic circles around me, often avoiding my main points. It created a huge rift in our relationship. Like a lot of teens I was an arrogant little punk which didn't help.

    Fortunately we've managed to heal some major wounds and our relationship is the best it's been in years, probably since I first learned to speak,. But I've learned where it's safe to go and where it's not, where I can have a subtle influence and where there's no chance in hell. I also try to find common ground, which is very difficult because we have so little in common. But, God bless 'em, I love 'em and I'm damn glad we've healed so much, it hasn't been easy.

    And just to add some context; when I quit my engineering job and moved to an intentional community my Mom threatened to call the FBI. She was so freaked out, thinking I was joining some crazy cult. So I got a small taste of what it's like to be betrayed by your own family when you choose to follow your convictions that Wade so often writes about. I could easily imagine my parents believing a media hatchet job on their own son.

    So, despite my lack of posts on this thread, I do think about this stuff ALL the time. I also talk about it amongst my friends, albeit cautiously and strategically, without attachment and from the heart. I know what Wade's talking about and I can now pinpoint people's responses to the levels numerated in his "Layers of the Free Energy Onion" chart. It is truly amazing, especially so since I live among a very progressive, intelligent, openminded group of people who genuinely care about what's going on in the world and are actively trying to do something about it. But yes, that scarcity program is deeply embedded.

    My community is based on permaculture and I've been practicing it (sort of, trying) for about 17 years. Lately, I've been watching a semesters worth of permaculture lectures from NCState taught by Will Hooker (whom I've met and hung out with) with an eye towards the Energy aspect.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture
    http://courses.ncsu.edu/hs432/common/podcasts/

    I've been thinking a lot about how permaculture may or may not be applicable in a world based on abundant energy. Also, can we use some of the ideas from permaculture to help create the fertile soil that will allow the free energy seed to germinate?
    So the following is a list of some positive and negative aspects of permaculture in relation to free energy as I see it.

    POSITIVES:
    PC (permaculture) is founded on a set of ethics. "Take care of the earth, take care of the people, share the surplus".
    PC is an interdisciplinary approach to system design based on observing and modeling of natural systems.
    PC does account for energy (in a major way) in all of it's systems designs.
    By utilizing, capturing and directing energy flows through a system, PC does have a lot of potential for creating abundance. PC gardens can be incredibly abundant, beautiful, vibrant and harmonious.

    NEGATIVES:
    PC does not acknowledge that free energy technology exists. Nor does it see FE as part of the solution….. yet!
    Therefore, even though PC aspires to create abundance and in many ways it does, it's still somewhat mired in scarcity, which is evident in many of the solutions it promotes.

    I'm sure if I sit here long enough I could think of more positives & negatives, which I will, but that's all for now. Except to say that one of the things I love about PC is that it fosters a deeper connection with nature, which I believe is extremely important. On the other hand, the complete lack of free energy in permaculture is a pretty huge negative.

    So I've been struggling to reconcile these differences in my own life. I've based 17 years of my life on a philosophy that is somewhat rooted in fear and scarcity but on the other hand does offer some really sound ideas on how to create abundance. And if you've ever walked through a real permaculture garden you'll see that's it has enormous potential for abundance, especially when the energy issue is taken out of the equation. Permaculture has already been extremely beneficial in creating abundance in my own life, I could list numerous examples.



    Love Y'all;
    Darren


    PS: Special thanks to Dennis for inspiring me to write this post from his thread here:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...h-Permaculture
    and this thread by astrid:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...video-lectures

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