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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

    Quote Posted by Jeffedelic (here)
    I still can't decide what to think about this whole thing. I am admittedly not as well read as I should be, but are there any corroborating stories or witnesses?
    My opinion only -

    These videos are some of the steps of the formula

    That formula is:

    Step 1 - Scare the hell out of the interested, the vulnerable

    Step 2 - Work to establish yourself as a provider of information that only "you" can access which is relevant to the areas of interest you have raised through your fear porn.

    Step 3 - Addict readers and viewers to your intel drip feed.

    Step 4 - Now that you have them hooked, sell them... which includes the selling of false hope.

    Step 5 - Repeat this process until the target wakes up or goes broke.

    All along the way, constantly troll for new vulnerables.


    It appears videos like the one above fit right in with a few of these steps.

    Realize both of these folks need each other to be who they are. They certainly realize it.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

    Quote Posted by mojo (here)
    My point is that if being placed in the situation that Corey claims he was I'm sure that I could find some way to prove my testimony.
    IMO this should apply to any and all who bring forth fantastical stories/experiences that in any way (purportedly unwittingly or actually wittingly) finds its way into the public domain.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

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    Quote Posted by Jeffedelic (here)
    I still can't decide what to think about this whole thing. I am admittedly not as well read as I should be, but are there any corroborating stories or witnesses?
    My opinion only -

    These videos are some of the steps of the formula

    That formula is:

    Step 1 - Scare the hell out of the interested, the vulnerable

    Step 2 - Work to establish yourself as a provider of information that only "you" can access which is relevant to the areas of interest you have raised through your fear porn.

    Step 3 - Addict readers and viewers to your intel drip feed.

    Step 4 - Now that you have them hooked, sell them... which includes the selling of false hope.

    Step 5 - Repeat this process until the target wakes up or goes broke.

    All along the way, constantly troll for new vulnerables.


    It appears videos like the one above fit right in with a few of these steps.

    Realize both of these folks need each other to be who they are. They certainly realize it.

    Great assessment , Sam. I would add one thing : emphasize the need for "donations" to keep information coming.

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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

    Note: There are cases of this where there is no monitization (or at least none yet).

    IMO it is important not to think that just because there has yet to be any monitization, this must mean the information is the truth. And even in cases where the story teller believes they are truthful, with the mind influencing technology possibilities well documented... this just multiplies exponentially the ability for fakes to get easy, quick recognition in the environment of today.

    Some of these folks seem to have such a need for relevancy at the level of a worldwide stage where they count views, hits, posts to their facebook, comments to their blogs and youtubes, etc. and that this count is the very sustenance they are seeking.

    When we have the combination of personality proclivities of:

    narcissism

    megalomania

    messianic complex

    the ability to lie pathologically

    sociopathic tendencies

    then we have the fertile ground from which one of these folks spring.

    As Bill pointed out with is examples from the 50s... look at all those who exploit a new meme?

    Now, add in the ease of exposure one has access to now with the internet, Youtube, blog templates and blog hosting facilities and the social medias of Facebook, Twitter and the like and all one has to do is make the time and effort and have a reasonably interesting story (perhaps with new twists) and if they have the ability to see from previous examples the pitfalls prior frauds have succumbed to, they can incorporate into their story the plugs such that these errors might be avoided.

    Just the internet alone has facilitated this genre massively just like it did for porn, online gaming (both recreational and gambling) and it all makes sense that it would.

    Note: all my posts in this thread are coming from Sam Hunter, a recovering believaholic.
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    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

    This whole Corey bashing is bizarre to me. I have watched all of the videos on Gaia and he seems like the real deal. How could anyone make that all up? There are like 20 videos out now and more coming. People here seem to have a chip on their shoulder with him. The more Corey talks, the more it should be clear that what he is saying is true but there doesn't seem to be any reevaluation of opinions based on that. I have heard people say that just because he is still alive he is obviously not telling the truth. The fact is we don't know but the more he talks, the more it looks like he knows what he is talking about. I'll admit I'm new to this stuff so that makes me definitely NOT an expert, but maybe that's a good thing too. I have no history to cloud my judgment.

    Cheers, Jim

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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

    @Clear Blue Skies : i know it wasnt personal... but your image did catch my eye,,, in a no good way.. thus was reminded... to show/share.... once again.. (its also been talked on this website and linked to via others)

    @Target ill send you a link/htm

    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by Rha S ananda (here)
    here is where i see the problem..
    Inelia benz is supported...
    Corey isnt...
    ...
    Corey was a member here for many years, and I believe even had a short stint as a mod. Many of us are basing our evaluations of Corey after years of really being able to see who he was and how he worked. His time here was a bit of a character confession. Many of us are basing our level of "support" on this intimate understanding of him, and this has far more "real" value than the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Corey hurt and attacked many people on this forum, Bill included.

    Inelia Benz is also a fellow member of Avalon (although no longer active) and has none of these qualities that cause our "general" evaluations of Corey and resultant lack of "support", there is NO comparison when it comes to showing our support for the reasons we have. Perhaps you have not been on Avalon long enough to understand this.
    perhaps.. not, know/read/etc AV from before 2010....onwards. so don't underestimate my understanding based on current stats ~ UPSTAT>l
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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

    Quote Posted by jms2112 (here)
    This whole Corey bashing is bizarre to me. I have watched all of the videos on Gaia and he seems like the real deal. How could anyone make that all up? There are like 20 videos out now and more coming. People here seem to have a chip on their shoulder with him. The more Corey talks, the more it should be clear that what he is saying is true but there doesn't seem to be any reevaluation of opinions based on that. I have heard people say that just because he is still alive he is obviously not telling the truth. The fact is we don't know but the more he talks, the more it looks like he knows what he is talking about. I'll admit I'm new to this stuff so that makes me definitely NOT an expert, but maybe that's a good thing too. I have no history to cloud my judgment.

    Cheers, Jim
    No chips Jim, just lots of bashing on the other side (from Corey) against this forum. That is all.
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    ..<trim> ...

    Great assessment , Sam. I would add one thing : emphasize the need for "donations" to keep information coming.
    And don't forget selling mugs and such, possibly health supplements too ... (sorry Alex J -- that was a poor maneuver)

    Looks like I'm off topic again ...
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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

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    @Clear Blue Skies : i know it wasnt personal... but your image did catch my eye,,, in a no good way.. thus was reminded... to show/share.... once again.. (its also been talked on this website and linked to via others)

    @Target ill send you a link/htm

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    Quote Posted by Rha S ananda (here)
    here is where i see the problem..
    Inelia benz is supported...
    Corey isnt...
    ...
    Corey was a member here for many years, and I believe even had a short stint as a mod. Many of us are basing our evaluations of Corey after years of really being able to see who he was and how he worked. His time here was a bit of a character confession. Many of us are basing our level of "support" on this intimate understanding of him, and this has far more "real" value than the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Corey hurt and attacked many people on this forum, Bill included.

    Inelia Benz is also a fellow member of Avalon (although no longer active) and has none of these qualities that cause our "general" evaluations of Corey and resultant lack of "support", there is NO comparison when it comes to showing our support for the reasons we have. Perhaps you have not been on Avalon long enough to understand this.
    perhaps.. not, know/read/etc AV from before 2010....onwards. so don't underestimate my understanding based on current stats ~ UPSTAT>l
    That is not the same as having 1st hand hand feedback from carrying on specific discussions with him. Perhaps if you had, who knows, you may have been one of the ones who incurred baseless attacks from him, then you might have some of that "intimate" understanding which I refer to. Standing in the bleachers observing the players isn't the same as being in the game with said players.
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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

    I've spammed it before and I'll spam it again, the Sphere Being Alliance logo reminds me of the UN flag too much for me to buy into the show. I'm thankful to Robin who first posted it on the forum.





    In that light Sam Hunters 'Step 2' here..
    Quote Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
    ...

    Step 2 - Work to establish yourself as a provider of information that only "you" can access which is relevant to the areas of interest you have raised through your fear porn.

    ...
    combined with the Sphere Being Alliance saying we will get full disclosure as a big data dump. Who is giving us the big definative data dump disclosure? Something with the UN flag?

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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

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    Quote Posted by mojo (here)

    My point is that if being placed in the situation that Corey claims he was I'm sure that I could find some way to prove my testimony.
    Yes. Visiting a competent, qualified regression therapist would be a good start, with sessions recorded and transcribed.

    That'd be really easy to do (and would make for a compelling TV episode!), but he's never once done that. (Many contactees and abductees have, of course. That very greatly supports their credibility.)

    Back in September/October 2014, when his conversations with Christine at his house were first recorded (and contrary to what Corey claims, there was absolutely no pressure on him to go public, just encouragement and support), Corey had very limited memory of just about everything. He had just enough personal information to share for no more than a couple of hours of edited audio.

    Now, he presents literally dozens of hours of detailed information about stuff he never once mentioned, or seemed to know about, back when he first went on record.

    Where did all that come from? Corey's not saying. That's pretty important for any researcher to know, as part of the due diligence.

    No serious researchers are giving this any time at all apart from Wilcock and Michael Salla. Not one other. On the contrary, many are politely but privately scathing.

    I consider Michael Salla a friend (I met him a few times, and he's a good man who always means well), and I wrote to him offering more background information about Corey. I told him, privately, I was concerned he was compromising his own good reputation.

    Although Michael is a trained academic, and should be collecting data of every kind as routine, he did NOT want to know more about anything I was offering to share.

    Coming from a researcher, that was a little hard to understand. He replied [my paraphrase] that he was committed to Corey's story, and wasn't going to turn back. That sounded to me more like an emotional stance than a cautious, research-based, professional one.

    In my personal opinion, that may not have been very wise, and I do think he may come to regret that later when the entire thing implodes, as it well might. It may be impossible to disprove, but just as impossible to verify — and as such it has the same kind of provenance as any of the many contactee books published in the 1950s.

    They're interesting and entertaining, but they're almost all 100% unverifiable — and taken together en masse, contain a lot of contradictions... meaning, they just can't all be correct, as they often state or claim very different things.

    What that means is that this entire tangle of personal, subjective reports is of little use to any serious researchers... and the CIA (or whichever agency owns the remit to confuse the amateur UFO community) is no doubt delighted.

    They don't even have to confuse us themselves (and that's assuming none of the bad information is planted)... we're doing a perfectly fine job unaided.



    Bill,

    Since you personally know Wilcock have you tried to make recent contact with him about your views regarding Corey, proof, etc?

    I tend to think Wilcock gets worked up on certain beliefs/things and therefore comes to wrong conclusions. But I'd be interested in what he might share with YOU that could shed light on his devotion to Corey and related issues.




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    ... trim ...

    I tend to think Wilcock gets worked up on certain beliefs/things and therefore comes to wrong conclusions. But I'd be interested in what he might share with YOU that could shed light on his devotion to Corey and related issues.


    Here's my unsolicited 2 cents ...

    I like David's books (at least the one of them that I read); well done and he does do some good research and dot connecting. There's no argument from me there.

    But let's look at Wilcock's track record on hooking up with "pseudo-celebrities" of the "alternative truth" ilk, shall we? ... not so good, and Corey fits perfectly with that history, which is unfortunate ... They seem to be sent to David ... which is interesting in itself.
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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)

    Tolec is a corroborating contactee. He says the Andromeda s he's in contact with are connected to the sphere alliance that Corey talks about. Julien Wells - a Pleiadian contactee- has said that his contacts consider Corey Goode as the real deal.
    Very gently, and not unkindly: I'd suggest that — academically speaking, and from a research/verification standpoint — that means exactly nothing.
    I was answering this fellas question with 2 corroborating contactees that support Corys claims. Either it'll resonate with him or it won't. Each to their own.

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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

    Quote Posted by Rha S ananda (here)
    side-note @Clear Blue Skies : your avatar isn't a positive frequency... at all...
    (so ill put that one to "addblockPlus" block list, same as i did with http://sitsshow.blogspot.nl/ banner and background made it way better.... frequency wise... more restfull...

    so think what your emitting onto others.... (avatar..) its actually harmful.. and thats no deflection me doing its corrective clarity.. and after study(you if choose to) and a scientific angle looked at it all, one can come to ones own conclusion.. or as some do remain in denial. or and continue onward as nothing happend lalalala cumbaya


    This is what is commonly reffered to as the:
    Flower of Life, AKA: theDaisy of Death http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.or...o-as_2252.html
    Metatronic 'Flower Of Life' Deception - http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.or...deception.html

    of these 2 the website host QUIT/stopped service.. so all blogs incl Ash grimshaw's them2 down below ) i made P1 available P2 ill do later this day(done)
    EDITED:

    The Flower of Life & Tree of Life Deception - Arsill Crypts - Expanding Out (P1)
    http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.or...05-211636.html

    FOL Deception Pt.2 - Arsill Crypts - Expanding Out
    http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.or...eption-pt.html
    Do you have other original sources for this perspective (for my own research purposes)? BTW the original links were still working.

    Not sure what people are expecting the "flower of life" to be for them. It has nothing to do with all that "religious" "good vs evil" crap. It is a metaphorical message that indicates how Creation has been pulled from Source. Some may interpret this as "bad" and some may try to imply the "good" of the symbol, but both views play into the "good" vs "evil" illusion, and is thus emotionally charged. The only purpose of applying "charged emotions" to an otherwise inert metaphor, is to sway opinion with those emotions, thus drawing you into the "good" vs "evil" game, and all subsequent conclusions based from that illusion. You can't get to understanding the reality of creation without letting all that crap go. From there, one can begin to understand what "reality" and "Creation" really are.

    The idea that the two main forces within creation are "good" and "evil" (as opposed to two opposite mechanical forces of union and separation that require intermingling for any and all creation to occur), have only ever been presented as A) possibly originally as only metaphor in an attempt to describe the ineffable in the minds of men and then, "lost in translation", or B) done purposely to obfuscate man's understanding of reality and its creation by injecting emotional response that plays on automated fear of "evil" via worldwide cultural programming. If the latter, well planned! It worked perfectly!

    This force of separation is not more "evil" than a negative electrical charge; Evil can only exists within a mind, and where the forces of separation, due to "proximity to influence" have had an undesirable effect on said consciousness, that causes it to lose intimate and clear "union" or connectivity, to the larger "dream" construct. This atrophied perspective on the influenced mind causes it to be active without being able to refresh in a larger and much more clear view, and thus develops "reasoning" based on that incomplete view -- this is the beginning of what we refer to as "evil", and was the process referred to that caused "The Fall of Man" as well as what caused the fall of the Angels.

    Shame on you Clear Blue -- you have been emitting pure evil at me!! I already feel like a lesser soul! I'm joking out loud of course ...

    Here I am way off topic again ... I best stay off this thread ...
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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

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    Corey was a member here for many years, and I believe even had a short stint as a mod.
    Corey (GoodETxSG) was never a mod here.
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    Corey was a member here for many years, and I believe even had a short stint as a mod.
    Corey (GoodETxSG) was never a mod here.
    Thanks for the clarification, I had that info 3rd party from another member's post. I should have stated that.
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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

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    Quote Posted by jms2112 (here)
    This whole Corey bashing is bizarre to me. I have watched all of the videos on Gaia and he seems like the real deal. How could anyone make that all up? There are like 20 videos out now and more coming. People here seem to have a chip on their shoulder with him. The more Corey talks, the more it should be clear that what he is saying is true but there doesn't seem to be any reevaluation of opinions based on that. I have heard people say that just because he is still alive he is obviously not telling the truth. The fact is we don't know but the more he talks, the more it looks like he knows what he is talking about. I'll admit I'm new to this stuff so that makes me definitely NOT an expert, but maybe that's a good thing too. I have no history to cloud my judgment.

    Cheers, Jim
    Are you kidding me? How could anyone make that up? I could make it up. I could make up a bunch of cool and far out stories, it's creative writing, having an imagination.
    Corey has done his fair share of bashing and I don't see a whole lot of that going on here towards him, people just don't buy his bull.

    I have noticed that when Corey gives interviews sometimes he sounds so unsure and is choosing his words very carefully. He's doing this because he is an inch away from blowing his whole scam. He needs people to stick up for him and back him up or he explodes in anger like any liar who gets caught.

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    Default Re: David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

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    Tolec is a corroborating contactee. He says the Andromeda s he's in contact with are connected to the sphere alliance that Corey talks about. Julien Wells - a Pleiadian contactee- has said that his contacts consider Corey Goode as the real deal.
    Very gently, and not unkindly: I'd suggest that — academically speaking, and from a research/verification standpoint — that means exactly nothing.
    I was answering this fellas question with 2 corroborating contactees that support Corys claims. Either it'll resonate with him or it won't. Each to their own.
    "Corroborating contactess" are another important part of the game I call "Membership in the mutual verification club."

    Its sorta, "If you scratch my back, I'll scratch your back too."

    I recall specifically when Corey was all after Simon Parks. Then one day Simon said something to the effect that the "blue avians" exist. It was less than 24 hours later Corey posts on another forum the interview and boasted about Simon verifying these bird aliens.

    The post was later taken down but screen shots still exist along with the previous "anti-Simon" materials.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Sam I'd love to see some anti-simon material. Could you share some links with me? I'm a supporter of his work and ide love to see the other side of the coin.

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