WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

A little post on Rome and laws. Laws and their enforcement are considered to be part of the “glue” that holds civilizations together. Hammurabi’s code is about the world’s earliest known example, and its draconian nature reflected the times. Making the land uninhabitable was part of the scenery of those barbaric times:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...abi#post551403

Neale Donald Walsch’s “god” stated that in societies of highly evolved beings, the laws are very simple and everybody knows them. It can be argued that Hammurabi’s laws were simple, if draconian. That was not the case during the Roman Empire. The legal system became impenetrable, and like today in the USA, the only guarantee in the courtroom was that the lawyers always won. Legalism is a sign of a degenerate culture. The Spanish conquerors were that way, too, using the law as a weapon against the natives of the New World:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#mesoamerica

I have seen the corruption of the Roman legal system being cited as one of the reasons for its decline. I see it as more of a symptom than a cause, just like in the USA today. What I experienced in Ventura was a little extreme, I admit:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#jail

But as Gary Wean told me when I asked for advice:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#it

the raping that Dennis was getting at the hands of the legal system was not unusual in the USA. An American Indian would say, “Duh!” in response to what we lived through:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#blueprint

As Martin Luther King, Jr. once said, everything that Hitler did was legal. Gandhi was a lawyer himself, and he decried legalism and advocated cooperation and seeking just outcomes for all involved. Sociopaths do not like such a system, and the kind of capricious way the law is enforced in the USA, made into a weapon of theft (such as half of Wall Street should be in prison today if the laws were enforced, but they virtually own the government, so they get bailed out instead), is the hallmark of what Michael calls a Young Soul system:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

Laws and the politicians that make them are only symptoms of our malaise, not causes. That is one reason why I do not see retail politics being in any way relevant to the FE conundrum. Politicians and laws only get in the way, as they serve their master, which is certainly not the public good. The neatest trick that the dark pathers pull off is screwing over the public interest while appearing to serve it. When they accomplish that, and people like my mother make scrapbooks of the newspaper articles that highlight the dark pathers’ handiwork against her son, the dark pathers have the game well in hand.

I have written plenty that I am in the autism spectrum, and am pretty oblivious to social cues and other ape communication methods. But it also gave me an advantage in that I looked to people's actions, not their style, as the measure of where their hearts are. That is why when Mr. Texas made his play:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post580973

I was not fooled for an instant, while people a lot older and allegedly worldlier than me were effortlessly taken in by it. Sociopaths are excellent mimics, and they rely on people looking to their style and not the effect of their actions. And they suck in the naïve all the time. Mr. Skeptic’s “affable skeptic” routine works on key people in the free energy community:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post410817

As Jesus said, by their fruits you will know them.

Time for work.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Rome echoes throughout today’s world, especially in a USA that modeled part of its government after Rome’s. The transition of Rome from a republic to an empire has been a popular theme for the past decade, especially when Karl Rove reveled in our imperial status and our ability to “create reality” by our actions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

Just today, I read an article that argued that the decline of Rome’s republic was related to corrupt political campaigns, where votes increasingly were bought outright:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ic.single.html

In his Pan’s Travail:

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/1994/94.08.07.html

J. Donald Hughes explored the environmental impacts of the Greek and Roman civilizations of two millennia ago. Because they were pre-industrial civilizations for the most part, in some ways they altered the landscape in more modest ways than industrialized civilization, but in others, they were far more disastrous than industrialized civilizations because virtually all of their energy was wrested from the ecosystems, not the ancient sunlight that powers industrialized civilization. Deforestation, followed by agriculture and mass grazing, wiped out both the forests and the soils, to ultimately catastrophic effect. It was generally a replay of what happened thousands of years earlier in the Fertile Crescent:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post554340

Deforestation, erosion, and desertification were the most disastrous impacts of the Greek and Roman civilizations, and were definitely involved with their decline and fall. The farmers of Rome and Greece actually knew how to farm without wrecking the soils, but short-term economic benefit trumped sustainability, and that constant outcome of scarcity – war – was a leading dynamic in the ruination of those civilizations.

What I found quite interesting was just how modern the problems of Rome could be. Rome was in a perpetual cloud of smoke, as wood was the primary fuel. While the elites had their villas, palaces and other ostentatious abodes, the vast majority of Rome’s inhabitants lived like rats, crammed into apartments, which were built of wood. Huge fires were common, with the famous one under Nero’s reign just one of many devastating fires that burned up entire sections of Rome. The cheapest apartments were on the top floors, as there were no fire escapes. One historian wrote of Rome:

“the main population of the city…lived in cramped, noisy, airless, foul-smelling, infected quarters, paying extortionate rents to merciless landlords, undergoing daily indignities and terrors that coarsened and brutalized them.”

Rome’s water had to be brought in from vast distances via aqueduct. The Tiber River of Rome was undrinkable and unswimmable, as it was an open sewer, as well as the “burial place” for the poor who could not afford decent burials, even in the charnel pits where the paupers ended up. Most of Rome’s streets were not paved, and could become so nasty that stones laid in the muck became the way to navigate the streets.

Julius Caesar created the world’s first rush hour, forbidding almost all wheeled traffic between sunrise and until two hours before darkness. The night was when the heavy lifting happened, which made for restless sleeping for the inhabitants. Imperial Rome was in a constant din. As with European cities of the age of European imperialism, Rome’s population was only sustained by a constant influx of people from the countryside. Life expectancy in the great cities was relatively short.

Being that Rome was the capital of the empire – it was an actual city-empire – the imperial administrations devoted plenty of effort to keep Rome inhabitable, and parks and public works projects abounded. But to virtually all observers, both in Rome and Athens, the pastoral countryside was really the place to be, if one could afford rural estates and villas, and a great nostalgia developed in the largest cities for the simpler days of rural living. The Greeks wrote of their Utopias (of course, their imagined Utopias had slaves in them – somebody had to do the hard work ), and many Roman writers extolled the virtues of country living. The filth and crowding of the cities made them ripe for epidemic disease, and Rome was wracked with them, repeatedly.

In the end, the energy practices of virtually all early civilizations cut the legs out from under them. If they could smelt metal and gain access to upland forests, they would eventually deforest the land and erode it, with the resulting siltation wrecking watercourses and burying cities, with salination wrecking the remaining soils so that they could not support agriculture or much life at all. The civilizations that succeeded Athens and Rome had to deal with a depleted environment, and so began the Dark Ages of Europe.

As I have written, I am particularly interested in the dynamics that led to the Industrial Revolution, when humanity achieved the technical prowess and social organization needed to exploit a vast new energy resource – the ancient sunlight trapped in fossil fuels (coal, oil, natural gas). Rome, Greece and all previous civilizations were dependent on the energy released by burning wood and the short-term benefits provided by agriculture. They both began to exploit wind and water power, but it was up to a rising Europe, a thousand years later, to really take it to the next level. Tapping into the energy of coal was a gentler transition than most people generally believe it was, I think. Europe had centuries of tapping increasing amounts of wind and water power before England, in its desperation (the British Isles were nearly completely deforested), turned to coal energy in a big way. But that is a big tale for another day. Again, civilizations rose and fell around the world over those millennia, but they were all based on the energy provided by agriculture, the low-energy transportation lanes afforded by bodies of water, and the energy released by burning wood. What happened in England was something different, but it is a long story that did not begin there.

Going to bed now.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Briefly, before I get to the rise of Europe, a little on other civilizations. Because I am an American, and the bludgeoning of the New World’s natives by Europe has been perhaps the subject matter that I have studied more than all others, a little review of their energy practices is in order, partly because I want to draw a clear distinction between the notions of “sustainable” and “abundant.”

There is really very little doubt that the “great leap forward” of 50K-40K years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_L...t_leap_forward

when humans had developed the toolkit and social organization to inhabit all of the continents but Antarctica, was an unmitigated catastrophe for the animals that sustained that expansion, particularly the easy meat; virtually all of the planet’s large animals went extinct concurrently with that human expansion:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn5

Those extinctions happened wherever humans appeared, clear into historic times, particularly on islands that were formerly uninhabited:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatern...er_extinctions

After the easy energy was gone, there was a period that lasted for thousands of years, where the hunter-gatherer lifestyle was engaged in across the planet. In those years, there is evidence of some sustainability, particularly where humans stayed in hunter-gatherer mode until peoples arrived that had a more sophisticated level of technology. Then those hunter-gatherer peoples largely went extinct, like the megafauna before them.

Controlling fire was the first great energy feat of humanity, a feat that is still the one that powers our global civilization. Fire arguably led to the appearance of humans:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#cooking

and the first place where it was undoubtedly used to great effect to drive the megafauna to extinction was Australia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_megafauna

In other places, such as the Western Hemisphere, more than 30K years later, it was likely over-hunting that did it. But in the Western Hemisphere, where humans were only beginning to learn to smelt metals when the Europeans arrived, and they did not have any draft animals of significance (as the megafauna extinctions were more complete in “virgin” lands, and where humans evolved alongside megafauna, they learned to avoid humans and thus some survived the blitzkrieg), they developed energy methods that would be considered sustainable in today’s environmentalist parlance. Was that sustainability because they just did not have the means to abuse the environment like their Old World brethren? That is an enduring question.

In the Pacific Northwest, the peoples developed a salmon-based economy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#northwest

On the Great Plains and Eastern Woodlands, annual burning of the grass and undergrowth sustained a habitat for animals that could be hunted by the Indians, such as bison and deer:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#plains

The Europeans who first saw those places called them hunters’ paradises:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#morton

In the Amazon, the natives changed the biome over the millennia. They not only created huge orchards where the trees they husbanded provided fruit, nuts, and other human-digestible foods, but they also terraformed the soils with charcoal and ceramics, creating a kind of supersoil:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#amazon

that sustained their civilizations. Even in the high civilizations of Mesoamerica and along the Andes, the tenure of the peoples on the land was far gentler than that of the Old World. It could well have been due to their lack of smelted metal and draft animals, but their environments were in vastly better shape than those of the Old World, partly evidenced by how quickly the conquering Europeans wrecked the native environments, turning forests and fertile farmland into deserts in short order:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#_edn83

In summary, I’ll buy the idea that the New World’s pre-Columbian natives and other Stone Age peoples around the world had sustainable civilizations, probably largely because they did not possess the means to drastically alter the land to wrench energy from their environments. Even the Greeks and Romans were nature-worshippers, after a fashion, before economic expediency trumped the nature-worshipping aspects of their cultures and “progress” wiped out their environments.

But as sustainable as those Stone Age cultures may have been, they were never abundant. Abundance is a far cry from “sustainable”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#sustainable

In studying prehistoric and modern hunter-gatherer societies, inter-group violence, as each protected their energy supply from their neighbors, was the leading cause of death for men. That is a universal finding. No hunter-gatherers avoided that fate. Today, the leading theory of what spurred the Domestication Revolution, which happened in numerous places independently around the world, all within a three-thousand-year window, is that the hunter-gatherer lifestyle, even after the megafauna were all gone, was too successful, and population pressures led to domesticating plants and animals, as far more energy per acre could be extracted:

Today’s Japanese rice farmer can get ten thousand times more food energy from a piece of land as a Cro-Magnon hunter-gather could:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ese#post547555

The Pacific Northwest culture, as sustainable as it was, had a slave-based economy. For thousands of years, storm-crippled Japanese fishing boats washed ashore in the Pacific Northwest, and the natives were happy to get a regular supply of slaves from Asia. When Europeans arrived in the Pacific Northwest in recent centuries, quite a few “Indians” looked a lot like descendants of Japanese fishermen. The technical and cultural achievements of the New World’s natives have been the source of quite a bit of amazement as anthropologists have studied them, but none of them had abundant civilizations. Heck, there has never been an abundant civilization in world history, because energy has never been abundant. Even in the richest and most powerful nation in history, it is still a scarcity-based society, as my great nation kills off millions of people in its quest for energy security and the greed that is the fear of never having enough:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eon#post478002

Even though history has never seen an abundant civilization, the great increase in energy consumption due to tapping fossil fuels is what transformed pre-industrial civilizations into what we see today. In industrialized civilizations, women are no longer barefoot and pregnant, chattel slavery is a thing of the past, and there have been many other changes that have greatly improved the human condition:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn7

At the same time, humanity threatens to make the planet uninhabitable, as greed has been turned into a virtue, called the very engine that runs modern economies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#greed

The light and the dark sit side-by-side in our so-called advanced civilizations. The billion dollar offer that Dennis got:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

I call capitalism on steroids. Capitalism is just another scarcity-based ideology:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

like all the others, designed to manage the human herd. For all of the “progress” that humanity has made in recent centuries, we are in quite a mess, primarily because humans are not exercising their sentience, but have abdicated it for the promise of a full belly:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sentience

because humanity lives in fear; virtually all of us do. The heart is the key. It always has been, and always will be:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#greatest

If enough of us can get our hearts in the right place, our heads will follow, and if enough of us can learn to sing the abundance song, we might have a chance at creating some harmonic effects that can help pave the way to the biggest transition that humanity will ever make: the transition from scarcity to abundance. One of the stars that I steer by is this one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

but most of my vision is just living with the idea of free energy for about half of my life so far:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

I know that FE exists:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

and I know what its transformative potential is, and so does Godzilla, which is why the lid is shut tighter on FE than for any other potentially disruptive technology. I seek to help enough people reach Level 12:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level12

but part of the training is understanding just how energy runs our world and shapes our societies, both in obvious and subtle ways. Some scientific literacy is needed, so people stop chasing down the blind alleys of traditional alternative energy and disappearing down other rabbit holes.

But all of that is still coming in this narrative that I began back in July. Up ahead is the rise of Europe and industrialization, and what its many effects have been, both the good and the bad. Some have argued that what Europe did was a necessary step in humanity’s evolution. I am not so sure that it needed to happen. What I do know is how it is today, and where we can go. Understanding the past is important, if only to be able to see the forest from the trees, so that scarcity is understood in its many guises and abundance can be comprehended, because almost nobody on Earth today truly does.

Time for work.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

When Rome fell, mining and other proto-industrial activities largely ended in Western Europe for a thousand years. The nascent rise of science that the Greeks initiated was lost in Europe. Mike Parenti has argued that the book-burning glee of the Catholic Church is what brought on the Dark Ages which followed the fall of Rome (see his History as Mystery), and there is no doubt that the Classic Greek writings were reintroduced to Europe when Christian armies began to take the Iberian Peninsula away from Islamic peoples and captured their libraries:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#toledo

The decline of Rome was accompanied by invasions. It was sacked three times during its decline by the Germanic tribes that were once on the Empire’s periphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome

Before the Vikings marauded, the Germanic tribes wreaked their havoc. When Rome fell, the Germanic tribes conquered the northern parts of the former Empire. As Gore Vidal said, history is nothing more than the bloody migrations of tribes, and it is doubly so when studying Europe’s history. A current theory is that Cro-Magnons interbred with Neanderthals (not very disputed today, as Neanderthal DNA has now been detected in the human genome), and that interbreeding may have increased the intelligence of humans in and around Europe:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post539260

Protohumans occupied the British Isles as long as 800K years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehist...r_Palaeolithic

and most of what became the British Isles was covered in ice sheets with regularity, with really only brief interglacial interludes, it was largely uninhabited during the glacial episodes, to get repopulated when the ice retreated:

http://donsmaps.com/icemaps.html

The ice sheets on the British Isles retreated about 15K years ago. Nearly 5K years ago, a new pottery style appeared in the British Isles, which originated on the Iberian Peninsula:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_...in#Development

through either cultural diffusion or invasion, and diffusion is currently the more accepted theory. A couple thousand years later, the Iron Age began in the Fertile Crescent, and iron-using Celtic culture diffused throughout Northern Europe, and how much of that diffusion was due to invasion is a current topic. The Celts were highly warlike:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_warfare

Anthropologists have identified numerous cultural groups in the British Isles over the millennia, and designations such as Picts, Gaels, Britons, and others have described the peoples of the British Isles. Genetically, the peoples of the British Isles seem to have been fairly stable for thousands of years, with periodic invasions where conquering elites established themselves. The British Isles and periphery, and the North Sea and the Baltic Sea, were the scenes of continual warfare and piracy. The word “Viking” was a professional designation, and the age of Viking invasions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings#The_Viking_Age

coincided with what is today called the Medieval Warm period:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

While Wikipedia stated that it was from 950 to 1250, Fagan’s The Great Warming puts it between 800 and 1300, which was a period of great deforestation and city-building in Western Europe, after the forests recovered from the Roman days:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/timeline.htm#mayan

On continental Europe, a confederation of Germanic tribes became the Franks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franks

and Charlemagne tried to reproduce the glory of Rome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne

Europe’s first united act was the Crusades, and slaughtering thousands of Jews as a warm-up for the first Crusade was a harbinger of things to come:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#crusade

But what was arguably the biggest harbinger of things to come was harnessing a new energy source: water. Although water wheels were invented by the ancients, in Western Europe there were only a few dozen water mills before 800 AD. Between 800 and 1000 AD, hundreds more were built. The water mill was the greatest harnessing of energy the world would know until the great harnessing of wind power that allowed Europe to conquer the world. While a mill typically generated “only” a few horsepower, an oceangoing ship of 1492 could generate up to 750 horsepower when sailing at 10 knots, which was about a hundred times the energy expended by the ship’s crew.

In 1086, officials in William the Conqueror’s employ counted more than five thousand water mills in England. France had twenty thousand mills at the same time. In In the Servitude of Power (http://www.amazon.com/In-Servitude-P...itude+of+power ), the authors estimate that the energy harnessed by France’s water mills of the day were the equivalent of the energy that could be produced by a quarter of France’s population. The mills were primarily engaged in another energy practice – making wheat digestible by grinding it. Some mills were put to industrial use such as making cloth and running hammers and saws. By 1800, on the eve of the Industrial Revolution, it is estimated that the water mills of Europe generated more than two million horsepower. A human can produce about a tenth of a horsepower of work, so two million horsepower was like having twenty million slaves at the grindstone and sweating in the workshops. That was a huge energy boost, and helped lead to the ascendance of Europe.

As I will get to in future posts, the power of wind and water was quite competitive with coal in the early days of the Industrial Revolution. In the end, coal was superior in that wind and water power were dependent on the environment (calm air and droughts impacted the energy deliverable by wind and water), and coal eventually delivered vastly more energy and on demand.

I have a busy weekend ahead of me, and will be out of town for most of next week, but I might get in a stray post or two in the next couple of days.

Best,

Wade

[Limor Wolf]

Hello Wade,

It is good to see you back and be able to read your comprehensive and voluminous posts and insights, there was a feeling of 'scarcity' for the last couple of days, just so you know

As always, a most interesting reading. It seems that the pursuit of energy sources throughout history was always accompanied by hierarchy, separation between ethnic groups, laws, conquests, the need to apply economics and the raising of money to power. It may be interesting to philosophize whether there was ever any other option for humans to develop in any other way, given the conditions which existed through the ages, and the relatively low level of consciousness. It is easy to assume that there are always other options, of course, but it might be quite hard if a society or a group of people is not evolved enough to want to look for other ways to try and get what they need. development to this direction seems to require much more than the primordial survival instinct that is so rooted in our DNA, even today.

We might never know what could have happen, but we may invest ourselves in what will happen, now that we are in the middle of this rare opportunity to be on the edge of yet another break of evolution, to know about it while we are at it, and to take a conscious part in it, instead of finding out about it afterwards, as is the usual when history plays its part.

So, what do we need to do? We need to replace our state of mind to a one that will serve us in the most beneficial way (easier said than done)


Abundance instead of scarcity,
Cooperation rather than occupation
Etiquette rather than laws
Being part of nature instead of overriding nature
Connecting through love and compassion instead of estrangement
Integrity instead of manipulation
A holographic society instead of a one based on hierarchy
Free flow instead of demarcation and Settings
Free energy instead of extremely limited energy
Radiant health insted of fighting diseases
Multiple senses instead of only five senses

And the list goes on

Who knows, maybe the time that we are at now will be looked at in retrospective, as the spring and renaissance of a total new era, or as the winter and dark age of a dying world, to another 'Wade' that will present it to another group of souls, somewhere, sometime...

But My personal hope is that this earth saga will continue with much less drama and abuse and with a lot more exuberance, new opportunities and new dicoveries . and a new chapter that will open for all, with the implementation of Free energy.
Something to look for.

[mosquito]

Posted by Limor (here)
So, what do we need to do? We need to replace our state of mind to a one that will serve us in the most beneficial way (easier said than done)


Abundance instead of scarcity,
Cooperation rather than occupation
Etiquette rather than laws
Being part of nature instead of overriding nature
Connecting through love and compassion instead of estrangement
Integrity instead of manipulation
A holographic society instead of a one based on hierarchy
Free flow instead of demarcation and Settings
Free energy instead of extremely limited energy
Radient health insted of fighting diseases
Multiple senses instead of only five senses

And the list goes on

Beautifully expressed ! I know that the majority of people, if presented with that list would say "yes please !", but there seems to be no easy way of getting there from where we are. Maybe this has to be an idea, which grows in people's hearts and minds until the day comes when the tide turns, which it will

[Melinda]

Posted by Limor (here)
...It may be interesting to philosophize whether there was ever any other option for humans to develop in any other way, given the conditions which existed through the ages, and the relatively low level of consciousness...

I often contemplate this as a fascinating and far reaching point. It connects into so many things.

So often we hear it said that conflict is part of the human condition, or that there will always be war between us in some way or another. But it seems that the more we take apart the bigger picture and expand our frames of reference beyond the ones that mainstream education and media offer us, the more we see that the reasons for current conflict are not inevitable. For most of us here on Avalon we know that the economic, healthcare and manufacturing/distribution systems currently in place are not the only models we are capable of imagining or technically capable of implementing. But the effects of the systems in place at any given time are so far-reaching that for many people it’s difficult to picture how an alternate system could work, let alone digest the ideas of visionaries regarding how the systems could be altered by technology that’s only in the early stages of conception.

In relation to our nature: If we take an example as simple as knife-crime – the areas of a city with the highest instances are usually the poorest. Cure the problem at the root of the aggression, which is poverty, and either the manifestation of the aggression becomes less violent or the aggression diminishes altogether. There is always a reason for things, and its vital not to mistake hundreds of years of habit (that are the result of external pressures) for something that is unchangeably hardwired into our nature from birth.

When we really, truly analyse our technological evolution we see how its effects reach into everything: our eating habits, social norms, even our language and ability to communicate. Hauling our possibly unconscious shame (regarding what our race has been and done) into the light and understanding the reasons for our past behaviour, could be a big aspect of learning to forgive and accept ourselves. Doing that could be key to reinforcing the philosophy that we truly deserve something better and, significantly, have what it takes to create and sustain it. If we look at the history of our evolution, and refer to the simplest frame of reference, one that is free from the artificial influence of global political and legal constructs – that of a child maturing into a adulthood – we could justifiably reason that it is in fact our destiny, or a logical trajectory, for us to outgrow our scarcity-programming and realise a greater potential.

I think it was in Buckminster Fuller’s Grunch of Giants that I read: “When I was born in 1895 humanity was 95-percent illiterate and needed leaders. Today the situation is reversed. Humanity is now 65-percent literate and capable of doing its own thinking, decision-making, and initiativetaking.” I don’t have a copy of it in front of me, so perhaps someone can correct me if the quote is incorrect. But it makes the point very well that we can change, do change, and that our technological evolution has been what facilitated that progress on a practical level. I think Fuller also said within the same text, “If you ignorantly believe there's not enough life support available on planet Earth for all humanity, then survival only of the fittest seems self-flatteringly to warrant magnaselfishness. However, it is due only to humans' born state of ignorance and the 99.99 percent invisibility of technological capabilities that they do not recognize the vast abundance of resources available to support all humanity at an omni-high standard of living.” There are so many great quotes in that text that it's hard not to share half the book. I haven't read anything quite like it. I really need to read more

As to what comes first, the leap in consciousness by a few that influence the many, or the technology that supports a shift in consciousness, perhaps that’s a whole other essay.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Beautiful posts. Reading them spurred a bunch of directions that I could take in response, but I’ll try to keep it relatively brief.

Limor’s wonderful list is paradigmatic. I do something similar:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#coming

When studying paradigms:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#introduction

it becomes evident that they all rest on assumptions, and it was not until after encountering Bucky’s work:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

that I was able to see what those seemingly different ideologies had in common: scarcity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

I do not believe that it will be the case that if FE makes it past humanity’s inertia and the organized suppression that we will have to say, “Let’s tackle legalism this year, and next year we will go after the medical system, and the year after that we will take on the hierarchical nature of our societies.” Once the shift from scarcity to abundance happens, or it can clearly be seen that we are headed that way, the scarcity assumption will quickly evaporate, and that paradigm shift will happen to all aspects of our civilizations rather simultaneously.

But, as I have stressed repeatedly, countless millennia of scarcity-based conditioning has put down deep roots, and many of humanity’s awful behaviors are attributed to human nature. I strongly doubt that that is true; you don’t see people being beheaded in the USA over drug wars like they are in Mexico. That is obviously economics at work.

Chattel slavery was considered “natural” from the beginnings of civilization until the Industrial Revolution. Rising standards of living due to tapping the energy of fossil fuels made the institution of slavery obsolete. It did not make economic sense any longer to have slaves:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Economics

and slavery was no longer seen as human “nature.” But because that scarcity-based conditioning is baked so deeply into the human psyche, more than 99% of the human population is not even going to begin to understand abundance until they can see it demonstrated, like Machiavelli said:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

That is why the Level 10 approach will not work for making FE happen (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level10), because Level 10 approaches always appeal to scarcity-based ideologies (or opposing them), so they are self-defeating, if abundance is their goal. The heaviest lifting done so far on the FE and abundance project has been the preposterous journeys of people like Dennis, Brian O, and Adam T. Dennis’s journey is so larger than life that it is truly unbelievable, and he gets smeared in the national media every few years. Because he is almost seventy now, Godzilla’s minions may have finally eliminated the threat that he represented, but I would never count him completely out of the game while he is still breathing.

What I am trying to get going is no less heavy a lift, and may end up being the critical missing ingredient, but nobody needs to risk their lives to sing, and can ten thousand singers accomplish what one hundred soldiers can? That is the question, for me. But if my crazy choir idea has any kind of chance, it will require a certain kind of magic, which will be people who can imagine abundance before it is a daily reality. That is far, far harder than it might seem. I have almost never met or heard of anybody who could, but what Ilie, Limor, and Melinda are doing is exactly the kind of singing that I have in mind. No hymns are heard quite yet, but some are definitely whistling some of the notes.

It has been ten years since I read Grunch of Giants, so I could not say for sure if those quote comes from there, Melinda, but they seem appropriate. Bucky wrote Grunch at his life’s end, almost as a deathbed confession, where he could make his Godzilla-ish observations and not be penalized for making them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#grunch

My goal with my writings is to help as many potential singers as possible understand how our world really works, and I mean in a nuts-and-bolts way. Where does our food come from? How do our bodies work? Where did the energy come from that runs our world today? How does the level of energy consumption determine our standards of living and our political systems? I constantly see scientifically illiterate people being introduced to the FE idea, and they rank it along with the media, money, and government systems, as if energy is just another variable, like that clueless economist recently did:

http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...l-fallacy-7748

Although Karl Marx did his work before the science of energy really began to develop, he understood a lot of how our economic lives operate, and he called its root the mode of production:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn6

A society’s mode of production is entirely dependent on the level of energy that it has access to. And the mode of production is the foundation for all societies for all time. It is like the energy situation is both the foundation and the roof. Without those, the rest of the house cannot exist, and the difference between something like capitalism and communism is the arrangement of the rooms in the house. Capitalism has a huge master bedroom and cramped servants' quarters, while communism does not have a master bedroom or servants' quarters, at least in theory. But without a foundation and roof, arguing over what kind of bedrooms to have is a senseless exercise, and arguments over capitalism and communism are like children’s bickering over who gets the most toys. The “ism” level of the arguments are all firmly entrenched in the scarcity paradigm, and those mired in “ism” thinking cannot even comprehend abundance, as it stands completely outside of their frame of reference.

As I stated earlier, the imagined Greek Utopias had slaves in them:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post591108

such were the limits of their puny conceptions. What I am referring to, true abundance, is not possible without energy abundance. Anybody who begins to understand how our world really works will clearly see it, and it takes an understanding that I call scientifically literate, but it is just really understanding the basics of how things work, and as Ilie said:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post582730

science done right does not have to be that intimidating. My goal is to make it accessible. My upcoming energy essay will not require much more mental horsepower to understand than it does to understand this narrative on energy and the human journey series of posts that I began back in July:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post516792

See where I wrote, “in the next week or so.” Like most of my writing efforts, the tales grow with the telling. I hope to get this narrative finished before the end of the year. Then I was planning to flesh out the levels with a little more detail:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level0

so that people can understand them better. How many Level 6 and Level 7 posts have we had on this thread so far? Fifty? The FE conundrum is not easy to understand, not by any means, and people with inventor-itis can be the most obtuse, at least until they encounter Godzilla’s minions or the lower level predators who protect the energy industry’s turf.

OK, a little more on the rise of Europe. It took a while to cover Rome, partly because it had many facets to it (and I certainly only scratched the surface of them on this thread), and covering the rise of Europe will be another order of magnitude, because its reign was another order of magnitude, as it conquered the entire world. While Rome drove many species to extinction, Europe drove many peoples to extinction or the brink of it. In both, greed and violence were the primary motivation and means, but Europe took it to a new level and actually changed the world’s mode of production. It began as mercantile colonialism and morphed into global capitalism, which is the most destructive system ever devised, and the kinds of offers that we received:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#ten

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

came from the very top of that global system, as we threatened its very foundation, as we tried to make energy abundant for the first time in human history. The greed and violence of Rome or Europe was conditioned by some pretty grim daily realities. Modern peoples, especially those in the industrialized nations, really have a hard time imagining what life was like back then. It was not pretty, and Rome’s predominant “entertainment,” forcing people to murder each other:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#gladiator

was a sign of those brutal and unenlightened times, but a thousand years later, it was not exactly an easy life for Europeans, especially where the Industrial Revolution was born, in England. In 1245 AD, at the height of the Medieval Warm Period, in Winchester, in the south of England, if a farmer was “lucky” and survived the rigors of childhood, he could expect to live to be twenty-four years old. Spinal deformations and other evidence of the toll extracted from those farmers and fishermen are common in the bodies exhumed and studied from the cemeteries of the day. Life was nasty, brutish, and short, at the height of the Medieval Warm Period, which was a kind of relative Golden Age in Europe, when troubadours sang their songs of courtly love:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubadour#Origins

The peoples from such harsh backgrounds would not make many enlightened encounters with the world’s peoples, as it was all about rape, plunder, and exploitation. Heck, it still is today, with the USA’s numerous genocidal invasions of Asia in my lifetime:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#toll

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post478002

and economics was always the primary motivation, with all other stated justifications just cover stories to sell the masses, to put a noble-seeming veneer on our evil deeds.

I have a long day ahead of me, so signing off for now.

Best,

Wade

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Melinda: " In relation to our nature: If we take an example as simple as knife-crime – the areas of a city with the highest instances are usually the poorest. Cure the problem at the root of the aggression, which is poverty, and either the manifestation of the aggression becomes less violent or the aggression diminishes altogether. There is always a reason for things, and its vital not to mistake hundreds of years of habit (that are the result of external pressures) for something that is unchangeably hardwired into our nature from birth."

Originally posted by Wade Frazier: " But, as I have stressed repeatedly, countless millennia of scarcity-based conditioning has put down deep roots, and many of humanity’s awful behaviors are attributed to human nature. I strongly doubt that that is true; you don’t see people being beheaded in the USA over drug wars like they are in Mexico. That is obviously economics at work."

Hi Melinda, both Wade and yourself seem to be stressing that 'scarcity' behaviour is rooted in conditioning rather than in human nature. I agree with you, It is enough to take a look at children, see how they play, carefree most of the time, they are not murderers, thieves, soldiers, lawyers, but quite soon after and they have the potential to be all that.

On the other hand, the Minessota twin family study which sought to identify the genetic and environmental differences on the development of psychological traits by checking identical twins rearing apart, has concluded that the similiarities between twins are due to genes and not the environment, but I think it is fair to say we are all 'mirrors of our times' and obediently reflect what we are fed from the outside.

The only other thing is - after hundreds of years where the dog was domesticated can he be returned to its wild nature ? and another about 'human nature' - what is it, really? what do we know about our human origins, Is it that homogeneous as we would like to think, or it might consists of several sub-races ?

As wade mentioned, the tales grow with the telling, so questions and thoughts arise from every corner, and I doubt if personally I will find an hymnal until I will get some answers to some of my questions.

If I may add one more to the list above-

Flexible paradigm instead of fixed paradigm




Good night,

Limor

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi

Speaking of slaves. Have just stumbled onto something unbelievable from msm Could it be that lies you remind us of Wade are being finnaly brought up into spotlight? I realize that this particular msm outlet is one side of the coin... It is a video report from CBSNEWS.
Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50136255n

The duality of Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson is remembered as a progressive man who wrote the Declaration of Independence and called slavery an abomination, yet he was also a slaveholder himself who fathered several children by a woman he owned. Martha Teichner reports.

I believe we are hardwired for sentience. We've just happened to organize our societies in such a way to deny our children full oportunity to unfold it. It is like a seed. Every seed has a certain surplus of resources and energy supply to germinate. Most of Earth children are denied proper nutrients for their sentience to flourish after they germinate. So it fades... But the sentience is there from the beginning... And always was... It takes courage from parents to provide those vital ingredients for their children. It takes courage to stop accustoming children to the survival game... Once that courage is found and firmly hold in the heart we are on the direction toward FE

[Melinda]

Posted by Limor (here)
Hi Melinda, both Wade and yourself seem to be stressing that 'scarcity' behaviour is rooted in conditioning rather than in human nature. I agree with you, It is enough to take a look at children, see how they play, carefree most of the time, they are not murderers, thieves, soldiers, lawyers, but quite soon after and they have the potential to be all that.

On the other hand, the Minessota twin family study which sought to identify the genetic and environmental differences on the development of psychological traits by checking identical twins rearing apart, has concluded that the similiarities between twins are due to genes and not the environment, but I think it is fair to say we are all 'mirrors of our times' and obediently reflect what we are fed from the outside.

The only other thing is - after hundreds of years where the dog was domesticated can he be returned to its wild nature ? and another about 'human nature' - what is it, really? what do we know about our human origins, Is it that homogeneous as we would like to think, or it might consists of several sub-races ?

The case of twins, triplets and quadruplets is deeply interesting isn’t it! I was once told by a psychic that I might have twins and felt truly enthused; but was then promptly petrified by the thought of how much work might actually be involved.

Under the ‘Twins reared apart’ subheading, the info on the page you linked to does relay the fact that twins who are separated during their ‘nurture’ can have some extraordinary similarities in personality, attitudes and interests. It reads: “This leads to the conclusion that the similarities between twins are due to genes, not environment, since the differences between twins reared apart must be due totally to the environment.”

I understand why the conclusion might refer to genes as the sole cause for similarities, given current mainstream scientific language and its shared understanding of how we function. But having known various twins over the years and also being related to other twins, there is another factor that a lot of mainstream scientists have yet to agree on and hence we’re less likely to see it referred to in the research or conclusions of most scientific studies. That factor is psychic phenomena, specifically the transmission of information from one twin to another despite physical separation/distance. To give you an example, one twin that I knew told me of a time when they were separated from their twin all day, but when their twin was kilometres away and had a physical accident they felt a sharp, physical pain in the exact part of the body that their sibling had injured. It was as if they themselves had received the injury and they couldn’t explain what they’d experienced until they found out later what had happened to their sibling. Even if we put the likelihood of experiencing such ‘sympathy pains’ down to shared genetic material, how do we explain the transmission of the information over a large physical distance from one set of genes to another?

One of the examples of possible transfer/transmission of information over distances that’s cited on this thread quite regularly is that of Remote Viewing. As Wade has often mentioned, it’s the kind of example that anyone is free to attempt training in and experience first-hand. Once you’ve experienced something like that for yourself it opens up a whole new set of factors that can be considered as potential influences on our individual and shared existence. The occurrence of various kinds of psychic phenomena, perhaps being increasingly experienced, certainly being increasingly shared through internet and print publications, makes a case for how all of us (not just those closely related by inherited genes) have the potential to influence one another despite the divisions of distance, race, ‘class’ or creed. All the more reason for more and more of us to be imagining a world of abundance and nourishing our own hearts with the many visions of its positive outcomes.

I took a friend to a psychic workshop a few years ago that only cost a few pounds for several hours. This person didn’t think they were particularly ‘psychic,’ but sat opposite a stranger with their eyes closed they were able to ‘guess’ a correct description of the stranger’s location of work, type of employment and other details. These were not things that were easily deducible in any way from the person’s demeanour or clothing. Quite a nice book that practically fell off a bookstore shelf for me years ago was Sonia Choquette’s The Psychic Pathway, which contains some varied observations about the author’s work as a psychic and also some engaging, even endearing anecdotes relating to psychic phenomena in her life. For someone looking for observations that resonate with their own psychic experience, or for someone who is just curious about one lady’s perception of the phenomena, it could be an enjoyable read.

Limor: “The only other thing is - after hundreds of years where the dog was domesticated can he be returned to its wild nature ?”

I think this raises an interesting question, which leads me to think of another: To what extent do we want to return to our ‘wild’ nature, and to what extent do we want to evolve to something new, something better, something that can contain the beneficial fruits of our thousands of years of learning since our wild nature was conceived? It’s true that it helps to know where you are from before you can fully understand where you’re going and why, and it’s true that there is lively debate about the nature of our ‘real’ origins which may not even be the same for every living person. But that lack of concrete knowledge does not have to get in the way of us having a clear idea of what is decent, practical and viable in terms of creating a more compassionate, responsible and sustainable way of life. We do have enough knowledge gleaned from shared experience regarding how technology has helped us grow to be able to see how new advancements can help us assist each other further. Changing our cultures and behaviours as a race is not something that is likely to happen overnight, but to quote another of the books on Wade’s list of fun reads, Richard Bach’s Illusions...

“You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it true. You may have to work for it, however.” I find this to be true. Sometimes annoying, but true

I don't know if any of that is of any use, but I thought it could be worth sharing in case it was. I like writing

Robert J. Niewiadomski : “I believe we are hardwired for sentience. We've just happened to organize our societies in such a way to deny our children full oportunity to unfold it. It is like a seed. Every seed has a certain surplus of resources and energy supply to germinate. Most of Earth children are denied proper nutrients for their sentience to flourish after they germinate. So it fades... But the sentience is there from the beginning... And always was... It takes courage from parents to provide those vital ingredients for their children. It takes courage to stop accustoming children to the survival game... Once that courage is found and firmly hold in the heart we are on the direction toward FE”

Thank you for the beautiful words Robert. Your post made me smile.

[Hughe]

Being a creator brings abundance into life.

Hmm... It's interesting to see Buckminster Fuller on the thread.
I finished reading Critical Path lately. And I've been studying Geodesic dome to use it for my house: main building and power station.
Buckminster Fuller was a visionary mind indeed. He wanted to upgrade living quality of mankind through his innovative technologies and inventions. None of them actually widely accepted by society. It's very sad.

He was ready for mobile, fabricated Geodesic dome production for average Americans under few hundred dollars. It would be made out of composite paper that lasts over twenty or thirty years. The cost is twenty to thirty times cheaper than conventional house. Energy efficiency is superior, environmental foot print is tiny. Investors saw there was no profit in it. So they ignored.

The weird thing is no place teaches how to design Geodesic dome nowadays. I bought a how-to book written by a journalist not scientist on 1980s. At least it explains how to analyze, design scale-up Geodesic domes with mathematics. I'm 100% certain this technology can be taught to kids. But again it's heavily suppressed.





Next model is coboctahedron.


4th or 5th model would be a real dome shape.

I want to pick up the best of bests I could get for cost saving and efficiency for Permaculture package. Earthbag house is fine but I felt it's kind of old technology. So I decided to design hybrid house mixture of Earthbag and Geodesic dome. People don't understand why I am doing this. Nor I try to convince them anymore. I stopped talking. Nowadays I really understand the importance of Wade's perspective. Is the society ready for revolutionary technologies?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Limor:

I have stressed on this thread the limitations of White Science (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post505970 ), but it also has many virtues, particularly if its limitations are acknowledged instead of White Science being worshipped as a new religion by people such as Carl Sagan (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#sagan). One virtue of White Science is that it tries to look at the world not as somebody thinks it is supposed to be, but how it really is. I am going to introduce a big word here that is a hot topic in science, which is that of teleology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleology

Many scientists engage in teleological issues, such as Einstein’s famous statement about God not playing dice with the universe, which became a source of conflict with quantum theorists such as Bohr and Heisenberg. But scientists try to stay out of teleological debates because they cannot be proven by the methods of today’s White Science.

In Robert Francis’s Why Men Won't Ask for Directions: The Seductions of Sociobiology:

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Wont-A.../dp/0691057575

he says that when people ask him why mosquitoes exist, they expect to hear about how mosquitoes fit into some design of nature and have some kind of purpose, but he replies that mosquitoes exist because they are good at what they do. That is how a materialist thinks, and there is a lot to be said for focusing on how things really work, instead of looking at everything in terms of how they are supposed to work. I am certainly no materialist, but there is a lot about the approach of White Science that I admire, and a lot that horrifies me.

The so-called nature/nurture argument goes back a long ways, and the study of genetics has lent plenty of heft to the nature/nurture arguments, but I do not know of any serious White Scientists who doesn’t say that it is both. The effects of nature and nurture are integral to the development of all life forms. I have a pal who is a genetics researcher on breast cancer, and the genetic component is on the order of only 3-4%. The rest is the “nurture” part of the equation, which hinges on all the awful substances that humans put into their bodies, both intentionally (junk food, tobacco, alcohol, etc.) and unintentionally (fluoride, lead, and many other industrial pollutants) and how obese, sedentary people will tend to get degenerative disease, of which the good ol’ USA leads the world.

Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any ethnic group, and a viable theory today is that it came from genetically isolating themselves from the host populations and engaging in abstract thinking to make a living for several hundred years, and now that “intelligence” is genetically inherited. Although it was not intentional, the process was like breeding a new kind of domestic dog or cow. The interaction of genetics and conditioning, both physical and mental, is a critical and mysterious part of an organism’s development, but no White Scientists think that they have it all figured out.

For a non-materialist, there is a third factor, which likely does not fit into the nature or nurture categories very neatly, and it is the aspect of physical beings that originates from beyond the physical plane. In the West, the word “soul” conveys the idea to some degree, but that area is well beyond the purview of materialistic science, and what we call religion today has only the faintest grasp on the issue, although it often pretends to be an authority.

As I have written plenty, the people that I respect the most in the FE field are all, to one degree or another, mystical in their orientation, and it wasn’t because they read about it in books. We all had mystical experiences that blew away the materialistic blinders that White Science suffers from:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#remote

and which Black Science does its best to keep in place.

I’ll buy the soul concepts that Michael puts forth:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#michael

and one reason why I go about this the way that I do is to respect the idea that many if not almost all people on Earth today are here to play the kill-or-be-killed game, and who the hell am I, proposing Heaven on Earth? Maybe the game that the vast majority of souls here want to play is daring each other to bend over to pick up the soap. I am sympathetic to people who think that that is how it is supposed to be. Well, all I can say is that if it is, I will be on my merry way in not too many years, and I am going to ask for a different assignment next time.

But, I also have the suspicion that the ridiculous events of my life and those around me are not because some malevolent so-called Creator wants to mess with us, giving us a dream of heaven where it is supposed to be hell, but that we are here to offer heaven for those who want to live there, and I know full well that the only thing keeping humanity from experiencing heaven on Earth today is humanity. The tools to make Earth into a heavenly paradise like this one:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

have been on this planet for longer than I have been alive:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

but we don’t get to use them while we are collectively asleep, playing the victim game rather than the creator game.

My goal is to help as many people see what is imminently feasible if enough of us woke up. A choir of ten thousand would probably infect enough people so that it could not be stopped by anything short of Godzilla coming forward and using his teeth, lashing his tail, and breathing fire on us.

Many of the mysteries that you want the answers for, Limor, will likely not be answered while we live in physical reality. That is part of the “deal” of being here, I think. But we can still sing. Yes, dogs can go feral after more than ten thousand years of domestication, but it would take time to go completely wild, but to get teleological about it, would they really want to? Identical twins, according to the mystical literature, have pretty strong soul-reasons for incarnating like that.

I have to go jump on a plane in the morning. I’ll be back for what I hope is the rest of the year this weekend, and it will be on to the disastrous rise of Europe.

Best,

Wade

P.S. Hi Robert. Yes the contradictions of the Founding Fathers of my great nation are numerous:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#fathers

especially Uncle Thomas:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#jefferson

Yes, we are wired for sentience, and yes, the current environment does not promote it very well. That is perhaps the biggest challenge we have right now.

Hi Melinda:

I agree that the past is not nearly as important as the present and what we can create for ourselves in the future. The past is for learning from, but as one historian stated, “What one learns from the study of history is that humanity does not learn from the study of history.” (There are several variations of this understanding http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/histo...f_history.html )

I suppose it depends on when and how it happens, but my first remote viewing experience, when somebody read my case, was more impressive to me than my “wild guesses” that turned out to be right a few minutes later:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#brown

My life was never the same. For some, it might not be a big deal, but for others, it can be life-changing.

[Limor Wolf]

Melinda, you seem to be touching some very interesting points, psychic phenomena is an important factor that is hardly considered in our day to day lives, and it does has its effects on us on a minute to minute basis. what may be considered 'mysterious' is not at all mysterious, we are broadcasters and receptors of information all the time. Maybe I shoudn't mention it, but while I was reading your post I recieved a strong high pitch tone in my right ear at exactly 08:08 (quite painful!), a stronger than usual tone, and I was just reading this -

"makes a case for how all of us (not just those closely related by inherited genes) have the potential to influence one another despite the divisions of distance, race, ‘class’ or creed. All the more reason for more and more of us to be imagining a world of abundance and nourishing our own hearts with the many visions of its positive outcomes"

it must have resonated..

I take Robert's optimistic assumption any time, but, I am afaraid It is not always easy for me to detect the 'seeds of consciousness' in everyone. but it is there, it is there...

Hughe- Thank you for the 'push' to read more of Buckminster Fuller, I have never heard about Geodesic dome.

This insight is so important - energy really is everywhere and everything. some of us will take it to the more technological/ scientific aspect, some of us to the more broader 'untouchable' aspect of things, and Wade takes it to all those places, but eventually we are all relating to the same thing. we are it, and we can direct it to the best outcome that our hearts content may takes us.

Going back to Europe, did the European did any good, or maybe it is more of the same thing.. ?
By now we can easily guess. Religious wars, conquests, struggle for energy resources, rapidly depleting our planet earth, spanish inquisition.. but also a beginning of a new era.

All the way down of the same road. Time to take a turn, it seems.


Edit - just seeing Wade's post above

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Wade,

I believe, that what you say about being aware of the limiations as well as the virtues of white science, is that same comprehansive view towards every aspect of our lives that you are so encouraging us all to adopt.

I thank you for bringing the definition of Teleology, it sounds like philosophy with an edge. and much more suitable (I imagaine) of how most of us see things on everyday life, than simply just philosophizing. It is more rooted, it is more based and it has the intent of an action to be taken. I hope I got it right.

About genetic component, interestingly, it seems that there are some contradictory conclusions regarding this nature/nurture aspect. some say we are 40 % affected by our genes, your pal say 3-4%, you say it is a combination of both, and it makes logic, but it somehow seems that the component of the environment is stronger, and that of consciousness is even stronger than both (wishful thinking?)

Re: Ashkenazi jews and IQ, another contradiction, it is funny, It is somewhat known, at least when considering the breeding of dogs, that genetic isolations contributes to many problems and does not necessarily preserves the 'good' quality of the breed. and it's funny (and a bit harsh), has any of those who investigated this claim has ever visited Israel? , not to say that there is no intelligence here, no, on the contrary, but not anything that can be considered exceptional by any measure. Then again, it might be the chemtrails :- , I believe that the British are more intelligent as a nation, than many others. it is enough to be familiar with their sense of humor which is sometimes not understood by others, but, coming to think of it Stephen Fry is a jew

Originally posted by Wade: " and one reason why I go about this the way that I do is to respect the idea that many if not almost all people on Earth today are here to play the kill-or-be-killed game

I read yesterday in the Horus-Ra thread on Avalon some excerpts about 'Snaf' pictures. Children are being raped and being murdered infront of a camera in a brutality that is beyond horror. it makes one think, is everyone involved really wants in actuality to play the kill-or-be-killed game? and please allow me to stress that the karma aspect will not work here, it is way way more horrific than anyone is deserved, I don't even care if anyone were a Hitler in their last reincarnation. Dear god, if you exist, you need to show yourself more often. (but then again, you yourself might like this dual thing ), there is time when you can't let the kids play anymore by themselvs or they might set fire to the house.

Personally, I don't know about this god presence, I don't appreciate the fellow, I rather settle for the the divine. I get your point though, Wade, your journey is not insignificant and in fact can be detected as a one with a very deep meaning. Yes, the work is on us, but the way children, human beings, animals, plants and the earth are used and abused is too much. who has created all of this anyway? why not send a responsible adult, who lackes any interests to clean this mess and put some order? yes, I know we have the answer already.. it is US, US, it is up to US.. but that is an example of an internal dialogue that I believe goes in the heart and the mind of the awakened ones. The waiting room for complaint is in full capacity, and there is no place to enter a pin, but I will take my number and stand on-line.

I do appologise, I seem to be in a middle of a rant that needs to get out of my chest, some things are too saddning in this reality. However,as always, I am humbly greatful to share this space with you all, because my faith in humans is being restored.

Have a safe journey Wade ~

P.S

Not much to do with this thread, but it might fit - "If we hold on, we can find some new energy" says the song.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PScUdYTO0UM


Blessings,

Limor

[mosquito]

Some thought provoking stuff.

Melinda: there is another factor that a lot of mainstream scientists have yet to agree on and hence we’re less likely to see it referred to in the research or conclusions of most scientific studies. That factor is psychic phenomena, specifically the transmission of information from one twin to another despite physical separation/distance.

There IS a scientific explanation for this, it's called quantum entanglement:

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

You probably won't find many biologists willing to accept this theory however, as it completely demolishes their 19th century materialistic theories of how we work !

I remember reading about an extreme case of this in separated twins, they have become known as the Jim twins; both given the name Jim by their adoptive parents, followed by a truly remarkable set of coincidences throughout their lives. All of which call "free will" into question, an area where most people are too afraid to go.

Limor: Hi Melinda, both Wade and yourself seem to be stressing that 'scarcity' behaviour is rooted in conditioning rather than in human nature. I agree with you, It is enough to take a look at children, see how they play, carefree most of the time, they are not murderers, thieves, soldiers, lawyers, but quite soon after and they have the potential to be all that.

This is a subject that fascinates me, and I'd like to believe it's not genetically engrained. I work with children and can attest that even at the age of 6, some of them can display very competitive behaviours ! But a society with a single child policy is perhaps not the best laboratory in which to determine just how this comes about.

I don't have much experience with babies, but I do know they are very accomplished at screaming blue murder until they get attention ! Hunger, or the need for love are extremely good behavioural conditioners, so how exactly can a parent or a society counter this ? I have no anwers, but an intersting thing I learned from a Mayan teacher, and the same may be true in other cultures, was that in his particular village, a new-born infant would be passed around all the nursing mothers, thus ensuring that the child would bond with more than one "mother" and also ensuring that a baby would very easily be able to get its' needs met.

[Ol' Roy]

With all do respect Wade,

Just wondering. Do you have writters block on your Energy Essay?

Or is this a prequil to it?

Are you testing the waters, so to speak?

I do love what you have written so far!

I don't know how you do it all! It's all about free energy. You have a lot more than I do!

Fishing, I know you have found a few, so to speak for the choir. ie. Illie, Limor,Robert,Sandy and others.

I read your post adamantly. Look forward to your posts and the essay(book). Happy Hollidays!

[Ol' Roy]

Wade, you have written a book ! Right here on Avalon! Kudos to you for these past 2 years!

[Melinda]

Posted by mariposafe (here)
Some thought provoking stuff.

Melinda: there is another factor that a lot of mainstream scientists have yet to agree on and hence we’re less likely to see it referred to in the research or conclusions of most scientific studies. That factor is psychic phenomena, specifically the transmission of information from one twin to another despite physical separation/distance.

There IS a scientific explanation for this, it's called quantum entanglement:

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

You probably won't find many biologists willing to accept this theory however, as it completely demolishes their 19th century materialistic theories of how we work !

I think I hear you Mariposafe. As you touch upon, what we feel Quantum Entanglement represents and what scientists use it to define can be 2 different things.

When I first heard Quantum Entanglement related to psychic phenomena it made me think of appropriating that old line from Shakespeare:
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"
“...a commonly quoted part of a dialogue in William Shakespeare's play Romeo and Juliet, in which Juliet argues that the names of things do not matter, only what things are.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_rose_...smell_as_sweet

It's true, scientists in the mainstream are generally not comfortable with the term Quantum Entanglement being used to ‘legitimise’ psychic phenomena.
I was disappointed when I watched a lecture on the BBC in December 2011, featuring Professor Brian Cox. Brian Cox seems to be a highly capable and intelligent man who has done a great deal in the UK to popularise and inspire passion for science, possibly particularly amongst young people, which is a wonderful thing. But in his prime-time, televised lecture last year he dismissed psychic phenomena mockingly, which is sadly not an unbiased scientific attitude to take, and could potentially foster a fear of derision in budding scientists who are curious to explore.
“Quantum theory might seem weird and mysterious, but it describes the world with higher precision than the laws of physics laid down by Newton, and it’s one of the foundations of our modern understanding of nature. It doesn’t therefore allow mystical healing or ESP or any other manifestation of New Age woo-woo into the pantheon of the possible.”
At 4minutes 40seconds here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QboBGoAuf8A

In a Wall Street Journal article Cox wrote:
“For the record, the reason that everything being connected to everything else does not allow us to be, (selects randomly from a pit of drivel), at one with the Universal consciousness, is that the subtle interconnectedness in quantum theory cannot be used to transmit information. Quantum theory, in other words, describes a counterintuitive world, but not a mystical one...”
He goes onto say:
“...Our civilization was built on the foundations of reason and rational thinking embodied in the scientific method, and our future depends on the widespread acceptance of science as THE ONLY WAY WE HAVE to meet many, if not all, of the great challenges we face. Is the climate warming and, if so, what is the cause? Is it safe to vaccinate children against disease? These are scientific questions, in that they can be answered by the analysis of data, and therefore the answers are independent of the opinion, faith or political persuasion of the individual.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/...misunderstood/

He makes a valid point, one often made on this thread, about the value of the scientific approach to solving our problems (although John Lennon might have added that ‘all you need is love’) but he is yet another example of how the mainstream prefers to embrace scientists that are wary or altogether dismissive of psychic phenomena (she writes, preaching to the choir. My apologies. I’m likely just venting. )

As the text at your link points out Mariposafe, Einstein made the now famous description of ‘spooky action at a distance.’
“Like Einstein, Schrödinger was dissatisfied with the concept of entanglement, because it seemed to violate the speed limit on the transmission of information implicit in the theory of relativity. Einstein later famously derided entanglement as "spukhafte Fernwirkung" or "spooky action at a distance".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum...lement#History
“According to Albert Einstein's theory of special relativity, instantaneous action at a distance was seen to violate the relativistic upper limit on speed of propagation of information. If one of the interacting objects were to suddenly be displaced from its position, the other object would feel its influence instantaneously, meaning information had been transmitted faster than the speed of light.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_...cs%29#Einstein

Edmund Copeland, professor of physics at Nottingham University, commented on Brian Cox’s comments:
“...he wrote an article for the Wall Street Journal in which he basically pointed out he was not implying that this instantaneous effect of the electrons reacting to one another can be made use of in terms of sending information. You can’t send any information faster than the speed of light. So you can’t make use of this to actually say I know exactly what that person is thinking.”
At 6mins 22seconds here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ASZWediSfTU
About Copeland: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/physics/...dmund.copeland

An article by Washington Post reporter Brian Vastag in November 2011 reads:
“A second experiment at the European facility that reported subatomic particles zooming faster than the speed of light -- stunning the world of physics -- has reached the same result, scientists said late Thursday.... [portion missing] ...Should the results stand, they would upend more than a century of modern physics. In the first round of experiments, a massive detector buried in a mountain in Gran Sasso, Italy, recorded neutrinos generated at the CERN particle accelerator on the French-Swiss border arriving 60 nanoseconds sooner than expected.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-502223_1...ght-particles/

With long-held debates in the scientific community about sending information faster than the speed of light, it reminded me of something the physicist MT Keshe said in one of his lectures. He explained something in relation to transportation technology. I believe he said that if you cause the magnetic field of the transportation to resonate with the field of the destination you can bring about relocation, so arguably it does not violate Einstein’s theory that things can’t travel faster than the speed of light because technically you are not ‘travelling’ in the traditional sense. I couldn’t locate the exact quote referring to the speed of light in the following lecture, but the extracts below go some way to explaining.
Lecture: http://youtu.be/CRBjtYW6qI4
12mins5secs: “If you can create (the) gravitational magnetic field of your destination, travel is nothing, there is no fuel burned...”
12mins43secs: “...You don’t need to create motion. You just need to create the right magnetic gravitational field strength.”
13mins53secs: “...We find we do not need to burn any fuel to find position. The positioning comes by itself. That’s how our cells, our atoms of our body, molecules of our body, the sun, the earth, the galaxies find their position. There is no driver and no wings on a planet, and there is no jet engines on any of them. But they find their position.”
16mins50secs: “So when you have 2 dynamic plasmas you have 2 gravities and 2 magnetic fields – 4 forces which work with each other to find their position... So they move along, to and from one point to another... [later, referring to CERN]...they are looking for God’s particle. What is God’s particle? God particle is you and me.”
23mins32secs: “The Twinity is what Tesla understood...”
26mins12secs: “In the principal of Twinity, the ratio, the shape, the structure, the size and the amount of different strength magnetic field content of the entities dictates the position and the speed of rotation of the twins in respect to each other.”

My understanding of science is minimal, but I wondered if what Keshe claims could be related to the instantaneous way information is sent from the cells of one twin’s body to another twin’s, as with sympathy pains. I’ve sometimes wondered if telepathy could be likened to a radio-broadcast from one brain’s ‘transmitter’ to a second brain’s ‘receiver’. Perhaps the transmission does not originate in the brain but elsewhere, perhaps utilising the person’s magnetic field. If we use that analogy then a ‘sympathy pain’ in someone’s cells could be an internal response, a interpretation created in reaction to the original received ‘transmission’ of information. It’s all very interesting, but I don’t want to take up any more room.

Posted by Limor (here)
Melinda... ...while I was reading your post I recieved a strong high pitch tone in my right ear at exactly 08:08 (quite painful!), a stronger than usual tone, and I was just reading this -
"makes a case for how all of us (not just those closely related by inherited genes) have the potential to influence one another despite the divisions of distance, race, ‘class’ or creed. All the more reason for more and more of us to be imagining a world of abundance and nourishing our own hearts with the many visions of its positive outcomes"

To Limor, you raised some big points about karma and expressions of the divine (in post #2515) that could make for a wonderful dialogue Although I’d prefer not to make this post any longer. I do hope your ear is ok.

[mosquito]

Thanks for the looong post Melinda ! It's a shame that Brian Cox, who is otherwise so forward thinking, is trapped in the idea that Quantum Entanglement is a question of entity A transfering information to entity B. The way I visualize this is that both apparent entities, A & B are manifestations of the same thing, and that their apparent separation is merely illusory, a byproduct of our own limited perspective.