For or Against accepting refugees from Syria??

[Pam]

[QUOTE=Carmody;998602]Order of operations:

Refugees from Syria: symptom.

Fascists, corporations and oligarchs, hiding in the backdrop ---who displaced them: Primary target and source point.

Lesson: Don't get lost in distractions. After a while you find that the trail of wounded and dying never ends, that the need to bandage wounds never ends.

Final analysis and action point: Go to the reason the wound appears, or you are wasting your time. You have to make a decision to go after the source point ....and move away from walking emotional circles around symptoms.

Observation: No major media ever talks about source points, they only speak of symptoms. If they speak as if they are talking of a given source point ... it is a distraction into their agenda, and it is layered and a partial truth (at best) that fits their agenda. This is the sad tale of such influences and power structures - for thousands of years.

Lesson: Don't read mainstream media, don't listen to mainstream media, and don't watch mainstream media.... it will distract you from fundamentals... into paths that end in the desires and directions of oligarchy.

I personally don't watch their shows ---None of their media, none of their entertainment. Nothing. Nada. Zero.

For almost 20 years now, and my head is 100-200-500% better for it.

One cannot claim their thought processes back ...when allowing such external input into a system which is essentially designed to be a hypnotic input system. A body data intake system... that takes things in subconsciously as a first order premise in design and operation.

Think Your Conscious Brain Directs Your Actions? Think Again[/QU




You hit the nail on the head, Carmody. You are so right. The flow will be never ending unless we address the cause. I can't help but think of the following comparison. I work in animal rescue and it never ceases to amaze me how people will donate thousands and thousands of dollars to help one animal because of their emotional response to that particular animals story. There is nothing wrong with this, and believe me, I am grateful there are those willing to help, but every time that happens I think of how much more good would be done putting that money towards spaying and neutering. In other words, going to the source of the problem, but the emotional story will always win out over the cold, hard facts.

[Peace of Mind]

More Divide and conquer tactics. Get the people to be at odds with each other...even on the littlest things like sports and games. Make them learn to like and indulge in constant debates, have them judge others that they themselves know very little about, fill them with false pride and self righteousness, make a society of "haves and have nots", have both sides thinking they are better then the other, and when things start to get rough for our hired officials, allow them to hinder the economies so they can blame it on the deeds and the will of the many, again.

The lack of trust and compassion within man will ultimately destroy humanity. When humans neglect their responsibilities and fail to harness courage… they will adopt a life of suffering and resentment. Regulating a corrupt few to manage the well being of the many is a sign of a dying species. How can such a being, intellectually superior to most other native species allow themselves to be killed off, softly?

No one owns anything in this realm other than their word and actions. Earth has never given permission to anyone to rule over her. As soon as the egotistical driven creature known as “human” realizes this…the better off the species will be.
Setting standards, claiming land that is and will never be truly yours… only aids to the decline in the equality of life. Parasitic tendencies, like a mosquito/flea/leech will inevitably meet resistance from that it intends to harm and feed off of. Tales of ancient civilizations facing extinction may be the results of human’s arrogance and deniability. As man continues to see no fault within himself… he will continue to make the same mistakes and be extinguished for them time after time, or shall I say… eon’s after eons. Outsmarting himself for ages, but not to the point of liberty and harmony…but to the point of global annihilation, leaving only Earth’s desirable to restart the process again.

Not sure if we will get it right this time around, hard to tell when we can easily come up with excuses to not get involved, it's hard to tell when we are so comfortable in disregarding and/or pretending to not see the opportunities that will make this “go around” an example of our divine awareness. Awareness that many claim to have but fail to exhibit it.

Society is filled with phonies, people acting like they care, people acting like they're better then what they've presented, acting like they can do no wrong, acting against what they feel is right deep down in their soul. With the rise in electronic devices...the social being known as human is becoming less social by the day. Media modes the mind and a world of thespians scuttle about with blinders on. People subconsciously wanting to be tv characters, wanting to dress, smell, look, walk like "fake" people...then look in the mirror spending precious time modifying your facial features just to meet the false standards of someone else's insecurities.

Life is easy, just ask the animals/insects/species around you how they do it?
Nothing works, unless you work.

Peace

[Jhonie]

http://www.rense.com/general96/musrefugees.html

I saw how they surrounded a car of an elderly Italian woman, pulled her by her hair out of the car and wanted to drive away in the car. They tried to overturn the bus in I travelled myself with a group of others. They were throwing feces at us, banging on the doors to force the driver to open them, spat at the windscreen … I ask for what purpose? How is this savagery to assimilate in Germany? - See more at: http://www.rense.com/general96/musre....oNe7Q4jE.dpuf

[Selkie]

This is what troubles me. Some of them act like looters. They act like they hate us...they act like they hate the very people who they want to take them in and give them aid.

[greybeard]

Unfortunately there are some who spoil it for genuine refugees in need or even in danger in their own country.

You could say the world is a sad story. (not my view)

On the Scottish News the presenter said that one fifth of children here live below the poverty line.

There are obvious dangers in taking in a mass of people with an entirely different culture, particularly over a short period of time.
Most countries have difficulty in housing and employing their own people ie those born there and generations of forefathers who built the country.

There is nothing for nothing and dash little for sixpence.

You can see that those who spent a lot of effort in building a prosperous society while whilst wanting to help may eventually get annoyed and frustrated with incomers particularly those who have little intention of contributing to the stable structure and relative prosperity of that country.

No easy answer

Chris

[Jhonie]

Would you want a Muslim for president?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ht_128207.html

After all Muslims believe Sharia law overrides our constitution.

[Selkie]

If that nitwit county clerk woman who refused marriage licenses to gays is any example, many Christians believe the same thing about their religion...that it overrides the Constitution.

For myself, I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A THEOCRACY. NOT ANYONE'S THEOCRACY. I DON'T CARE WHOSE IT IS. And yes, I am shouting, lol.

To me, our secular way of life is precious...very, very precious.

[Jhonie]

Well if I have to choose between the two I take christians but I wish there were no religions.

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/...haria-law.html

As the number of court cases that involve conflicts between civil law and Sharia law rise in America, majority of American states have introduced bills banning courts from accommodating Sharia law.

But those bills have been stalled by well-financed challenges in court by Muslim groups that also campaign against politicians who sponsor and/or support such bills. Oklahoma's law banning Sharia law from courts has been struck down, and only seven other conservative states (Louisiana, Arizona, North Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Kansas and Alabama) have been able to pass Sharia law-limiting legislation, and only after watering them to not even mention the word, "Sharia."

[Jhonie]

Difference is she didn't get away with it. Under Sharia law the gays would just be shot dead.

I did not realize until recently just how bad the problem is. It may come to war, the third world war maybe?

Edit. This crap has been happening while I have been distracted by all the other crap going on, has it all been a distraction I wonder.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VPRp6GKSFU8

Sharia law in Egypt?

[Selkie]

Posted by Jhonie (here)
Difference is she didn't get away with it. Under Sharia law the gays would just be shot dead.

I did not realize until recently just how bad the problem is. It may come to war, the third world war maybe?

Edit. This crap has been happening while I have been distracted by all the other crap going on, has it all been a distraction I wonder.

I agree...she didn't get away with it, this time. But just wait...because there are plenty more like her waiting in the wings.

p.s. I've been wondering the same thing...will WWIII be a world religious war?

[Matthew]

I'm enjoying this side discussion, I'm just going to slip in something that's been said but I wanted to put a fine point on it: The mainstream media call them 'Syrian' when they are only partly made up of Syrians. I believe this is because TPTUtB* want war with Syria and want everyone to agree. Please don't fall for the confused labeling. As I understand it more accurate to call them 'mostly not syrian'. For the record my view is we have to accept the influx and bend to it, make it work. Fair or not, refugees or migrants, uncouth and or terrorists included it doesn't matter now, the flow has started. We have no choice but to make it work somehow, and yes with our eyes wide open I agree and I say all this while being a little scared which helps me keep my eyes open

But main point being how the media are somewhat famously being inaccurately calling them Syrian refugees. Why be inaccurate? Who would profit from that?

*"The powers that used to be" I love that

[Jhonie]

I think I will register to vote so I can vote against Sharia law.

[Pilgrim]

Couple of points observed recent days (excerpts) nothing philosophical though poor facts:

"Refugees" escaping war atrocities complain is too boring to be in Finland since there are no people in streets, no bars, restaurants and nothing to do. Further it is cold there... So, some of them packed and left for Sweden.

"Refugees" escaping war make demonstration since Finland doesn´t treat them well. They don´t like food provided. Portions of Meal are not enough. Authorities say the food comes from same source as school cantinas have...They share their experience on social media advising their brothers and sisters don´t go to Finland it is terrible there.

"Refugees" of war after being provided by hosted society free food, accommodation, health care, pocket money wander around the town ringing on door bells of local inhabitants begging for money since they need to buy cigarettes and other needed things...

"Refugees" escaping war fight among themselves in centres therefore police need to intervene with riot units since present police officers didn´t manage to stop escalation when 400 people battled (it is revealed later on none of involved fighting groups are actually Syrians).

"Refugees" escaping war dismantle furniture in their accommodation to manufacture weapons to fight each others due to some disputes. Police intervene and seize the weapons.

"Refugees" escaping war leave mess around everywhere they come burning provided tents, blankets, clothe and other equipment not to carry it with since on social media shared when you get to another country you would be provided everything again.

"Refugees" rape and abuse women in centres. Prostitution is on rise there. Organized crime flourish there too police sources informally admit to journalists.

"Refugees" escaping war reach a safe country, one of EU countries, everything is provided to them free of charge, however, they attack centres staff, demolish interior of centre and calm down a bit only when riot police arrives. They shout in crowd being still aggressive they want to go (since thy decided) to Germany with their hand gestures and cheering Allahu Akbar.

"Refugees" throw on ground provided food and water demonstrating they are displeased due to "human rights violation". "Human rights violation" means from their point of view to follow instruction of local authorities officials to exercise the valid law on migration (registering them, checking documentation etc.).

Authorities admit there is only 20% Syrians among migrants...

Police hide data about rising criminality of migrants on local population (rape are reported frequently). Unknown source.

Fake and original Syrian passports are traded elsewhere for decent sum of money (Middle East and Europe).

EU representatives agreed on quotas of distribution of "refugees" among other EU state members to share the burden. 4 countries disagreed, one doesn´t vote. Quotas are accepted even though as such a vote violates legal system of independent countries. There is no legal frame work for such an act. Despite of that EU countries which disagreed are threaten if they don´t obey.

Do you want more? More is coming. Get ready.

[Selkie]

What a lovely bunch (sarcasm)