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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    ...The facade and the denial of the imperfect self are not considered abnormal. Fear of being less than perfect is what shames. Hiding oneself won't allow the being to share intimacy. If it is extreme then the person is called a narcissist. Narcissists cannot feel anything deep I have heard. The inability to feel empathy for the suffering of others is the same as one's own inability to be a feeling being...
    Beautiful post, Delight! Thank you so much!

    What you write is true (you whole post, I mean).

    Also, in my experience, another facet of narcissism is that narcissists treat others as though they are extensions of the ego of the narcissist. They are not aware that people are separate individuals with their own thoughts and their own feelings and so they don't recognize others as having an existence in their own right.

    Narcissists carry a terrible amount of deep pain and rage because their genuine selves were rejected. They need to feel compassion for themselves, but they usually cannot do it because it would open them up to their sealed wells of deep, deep sorrow, grief, loss, pain and rage. Narcissists are notoriously resistant to psychotherapy for that reason.

    One of the best books on the subject I have ever read,

    http://www.amazon.com/Traumatic-Narc.../dp/0415510252
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    Silkie,
    I have read this book you mention and it is excellent.

    I am going to quote part of an article by Daniel Shaw. I am re-visiting being brought up by a family of people where the culture of narcissm was "how life is". I think this is true for many of us. It could be encapsulated by "original sin" as a doctrine that justifies abuse.

    I know that I have been writing to myself in the postings I do write. To truly deeply accept oneself and to really live, not as one pretends one is artificially what is but as one IS (unfinished, searching, unsure, fallible, unkind some days, suffering...all the kind of challenges) is possible.

    To allow life (and me in it and others connected to me) to be "perfectly imperfect" moment by moment constitutes victory IMO over the conditioning I accepted...it makes it possible to love being human. I was bred to despise human weakness and I used the hatred personally and for distancing from others. People like JLL have a bigger stage.

    I am 60 which is a bench mark because it brings up issues of wondering "what would make me want to live to be really old". The wondering illumined how intimacy is "a concept" not fact for me and that deep intimacy would be a reason to live. I know that I have decided to learn how to be a tool for love.

    This means I must get over seeing hierarchy of value where one can disdain another and loathe oneself for just being. I was brought up to accept a basic hierarchy of value where utter contempt is possible to project on another.

    This quality is what I felt from JLL in my dealings with him. It was not that he disagreed with me but that he felt this disdain for me (even though I did not know him) and that I was not even worthy to talk to him except to worship his capacity of "expert". The interaction was brief.

    I had to admit I made him an expert and cared. Disdain can only be used if the "other" cares. I at that time wanted his attention to my ideas so I cared.

    I must say that this was educating. OMG, do I know now that it is a belief I have that this kind of response to others is possible and I have the capacity to direct it myself. That is something I can admit now.

    Quote the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt.
    "her upper lip curled in disdain"
    synonyms: contempt, scorn, scornfulness, contemptuousness, derision, disrespect; disparagement, condescension, superciliousness, hauteur, haughtiness, arrogance, snobbishness, indifference, distaste, dislike, disgust
    "she looked at him with disdain"
    I was bred on the poison of disdain. In my experience disdain is dangerous and its negation shoves the knife deep deep deep. My example is that respect between equals is destroyed by negation of another. Disdain shows total lack of respect. To me it is what we have been led to accept is permissable from our "betters". So the better one uses it to show contempt for the lowly.

    IMO this actually is a shrivelling energy meant to kill. IMO I am feeling this energy (the judge who has decreed my inferiority striving to develop superiority) in myself and it's hatred of weakness and fallibility. This energy makes it impossible to be authentic because of how shamed one is at rock bottom too. Awareness that it lies in me is excellent but hard to release!!

    What has helped is that I can look at these horrible feelings and still love myself. I believe these traits can be healed. I feel compassion for me and all of us who were traumatized by people traumatized and on and on and on and on back to whenever it started.

    Only we can change it for us and stop being the poisoners. Just because we don't have the opportunity to hurt (many or any) others does not mean we are not able to really hurt ourselves by agreeing we are "loathesome beings" as humans. Thanks for letting me post here! Maggie

    Quote Daniel Shaw - Traumatic Abuse in Cults: A Psychoanalytic PerspectiveDevelopmental trauma in those who in later life can be termed pathological narcissists typically consists of being raised, by parents or other caregivers, under extreme domination and control, accompanied by repeated experiences of being shamed and humiliated. The pathological narcissist identifies with this aggression and comes to despise his own normative dependency, to be contemptuous of dependence, which is equated to weakness. Manically defending against deprivation and humiliation, he comes to believe that he needs no one, that he can trust only himself, that those who depend on others are weak and contemptible.

    Thus the cult leader, largely unconsciously, compensates for his inability to trust and depend on others, and defends against the intense shame he feels connected to need and dependency, by attaining control over his followers, first through seductive promises of unconditional love and acceptance, and then through intimidation, shaming, and belittling.

    This serves to induce the loathsome dependency in the follower, and the cult leader thus contrives to disavow his own dependency, felt as loathsome and shameful. By psychologically seducing, and then battering the follower into being the shameful dependent one, the cult leader maintains his superior position and can boast delusionally of being totally liberated from all petty, mundane attachments. These processes of subjugating others, and inducing in others what one loathes and seeks to deny in oneself are extreme forms of manic defense against the shame of dependency.

    In fact, the cult leader does not escape dependency. Instead, he (and also, in many cases, she) comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him, to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection to him as does the mirror to the Evil Queen in the tale of Snow White. One of the ways in which this perversion of dependency is often enacted can be observed when the cult leader claims that because he needs nothing, he is entitled to everything. Thus, cult leaders claiming to be pure and perfect, without any need or attachment, use manic defenses to rationalize and justify their dependence on extravagant and grandiose trappings such as thrones, fleets of Rolls Royces, and the trust funds of their wealthy followers.

    For the cult leader, his ability to induce total dependence in followers serves to sustain and enhance a desperately needed delusion of perfect, omnipotent control. With many cult leaders, (e.g., Shoko Asahara [Lifton, 1999]), the dissolution of their delusion of omnipotence exposes an underlying core of psychosis. Sustaining a delusion of omnipotence and perfection is, for the cult leader, a manic effort to ward off psychic fragmentation.

    Again it is useful to consider that this kind of pathological narcissism and defensive mania is often seen in persons whose childhood development was controlled by extremely dominating, often sadistic caregivers, or whose developmental years were characterized by traumatic experiences of intense humiliation. Cult leaders then create elaborate rationalizations for their abusive systems, while unconsciously patterning those systems from the templates of their own experiences of being abused.

    Cult leaders succeed in dominating their followers because they have mastered the cruel art of exploiting universal human dependency and attachment needs in others. The lengthy period of dependency in human development, the power that parents have, as God-like figures, to literally give life and sustain the lives of their children, leaves each human being with the memory, however distant or unconscious, of total dependency. Cult leaders tap into and re-activate this piece of the human psyche. Followers are encouraged to become regressed and infantilized, to believe that their life depends on pleasing the cult leader.

    Cult leaders depend on their ability to attract people, often at critically vulnerable points in their lives, who are confused, hungry, dissatisfied, searching. With such people, cult leaders typically find numerous ways to undermine their followers’ independence and their capacity to think critically.

    In a religious cult, the leader is perceived as a deity who is always divinely right, and the devotee, always on the verge of being sinfully wrong, comes to live for the sole purpose of pleasing and avoiding displeasing the guru/god. The leader's displeasure comes to mean for the member that he is unworthy, monstrously defective, and, therefore, dispensable. The member has been conditioned to believe that loss of the leader's "grace" is equivalent to loss of any value, goodness, or rightness of the self. As the member becomes more deeply involved, his anxiety about remaining a member in good standing increases. This anxiety is akin to the intense fear, helplessness, loss of control and threat of annihilation that Herman, in her discussion of psychological domination, describes as induced in victims of both terrorists and battering husbands:
    The ultimate effect of these techniques is to convince the victim that the perpetrator is omnipotent, that resistance is futile, and that her life depends upon winning his indulgence through absolute compliance. The goal of the perpetrator is to instill in his victim not only fear of death but also gratitude for being allowed to live. (Herman, 1992, p. 77)
    Extending this formulation to cult leaders and followers, the cult leader can be understood as needing to disavow her dependency and expel her dread of psychic dissolution, which she succeeds in doing insofar as she is able to induce that dependency and fear in the follower. The bliss that cult members often display masks their terror of losing the leader’s interest in them, which is equivalent for the follower to “a fate worse than death.”

    Herman's motivation for writing Trauma and Recovery was to show the commonalities
    between rape survivors and combat veterans, between battered women and political prisoners, between the survivors of vast concentration camps created by tyrants who rule nations, and the survivors of small, hidden concentration camps created by tyrants who rule their homes. (Herman, 1992, p. 3).
    Tyrants who rule religious cults subject members to similar violations.

    To recapitulate, from a psychoanalytic perspective, the cult leader unconsciously experiences his dependency needs as so deeply shameful that a delusion of omnipotence is developed to ward off the toxic shame. It is urgent to the pathological narcissist, who knows unconsciously that he is susceptible to extreme mortification (the sense of “death” by shame), that this delusion of omnipotence be sustained. Manic defenses help sustain the delusion, but in addition, followers must be seduced and controlled so that the loathsome dependence can be externalized, located in others and thereby made controllable. The leader can then express his unconscious self-loathing through his “compassion” (often thinly disguised contempt) for his followers’ weakness. Manically proclaiming his own perfection, the leader creates a program of “purification” for the follower. By enlisting the follower to hold the shame that he projects and evacuates from his own psyche, the cult leader rids himself of all shame, becoming, in effect, “shameless.” He defines his shamelessness as enlightenment, liberation, or self actualization. It becomes important to the cult leader, for the maintenance of his state of shamelessness on which his psychic equilibrium depends, that there be no competition, that he alone, and no one else in the group, feels shameless. So while apparently inviting others to attain his state of perfection (shamelessness) by following him, the cult leader is actually constantly involved in inducing shame in his followers, thereby maintaining his dominance and control. I have called this sadomasochistic danse macabre the “dark side of enlightenment” (see Shaw, 2000).
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    Quote What is my point? We are (in my belief system) consciousness having awareness. The "break" that lets the light in starts by questioning. The limitation of questions is a key feature from the expert that wants to spread a brand of metaphor.

    ALSO, I am somewhat suspect that there is any concrete evidence that all of THEM are anything other than fig newtons of imagination that have been collectively assembled in agreement to imagine? They are ghosts. Who is the ghostbuster? Consciousness her/his self as we deepen our silent witness. William Buhlman says we will not find anything anywhere we have not imagined.
    Great post thanks! I like the concept of "Them" as fig newtons.
    Perhaps we have agreed, on some level, to everything in this reality. Maybe in the frame of mind we had, at the time of the agreement, we felt compassion for the fig newtons. After all, fig newtons have to eat too!
    Nevertheless, it's difficult not to get sucked in to this reality, even if it is only a mental construct. My daughter would always frown when I had to remind her that life wasn't all ponies and rainbows. I felt sad along with her. Does innocence return with wisdom and awareness?

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    Btw, in the spirit of giving credit where credit is due, I would like to credit John Lamb Lash with directing our attention to the importance of the concept of the Archons, no matter how much Jay Weidner went on to elaborate and popularize it. It would be neither fair nor honorable of me to do otherwise. The Shakti Cluster? I don't think so. And the KWP, definitely not. But if his theory of the Archons holds up to critical scrutiny, then ok.
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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    ...I am 60 which is a bench mark because it brings up issues of wondering "what would make me want to live to be really old". The wondering illumined how intimacy is "a concept" not fact for me and that deep intimacy would be a reason to live. I know that I have decided to learn how to be a tool for love.

    This means I must get over seeing hierarchy of value where one can disdain another and loathe oneself for just being. I was brought up to accept a basic hierarchy of value where utter contempt is possible to project on another.

    This quality is what I felt from JLL in my dealings with him. It was not that he disagreed with me but that he felt this disdain for me (even though I did not know him) and that I was not even worthy to talk to him except to worship his capacity of "expert". The interaction was brief.

    I had to admit I made him an expert and cared. Disdain can only be used if the "other" cares. I at that time wanted his attention to my ideas so I cared...

    Quote the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect; contempt.
    "her upper lip curled in disdain"
    synonyms: contempt, scorn, scornfulness, contemptuousness, derision, disrespect; disparagement, condescension, superciliousness, hauteur, haughtiness, arrogance, snobbishness, indifference, distaste, dislike, disgust
    "she looked at him with disdain"
    ...Disdain shows total lack of respect. To me it is what we have been led to accept is permissable from our "betters". So the better one uses it to show contempt for the lowly.

    IMO this actually is a shrivelling energy meant to kill...
    (my emphasis)

    Your post is beautiful, Maggie, and I thank you for contributing so much to this thread

    I am also very glad that you had a bit of personal dealings with JLL, and noted his distain (if not outright contempt) for others, because you are right on the money with that observation about his character.

    JLL has no respect for anyone's ideas but his own, as you found out. And it was not enough for him to simply disagree with you: he had to show distain...in other words, he had to reduce you as a person, to shrivel you and make you less and attempt to harm your self-confidence. Because you are right...distain is a killing energy. It is a direct attack on the spirit of a person, meant to kill the spirit of the other and turn them into a whipped dog.

    addition When I met him, I did not have any ideas I wanted to discuss with him. I was totally swept off my feet by Not In His Image, Metahistory, and his poetry, which is on Kali Rising. In other words, I was swept off my feet by his public persona. Because of the writings on those sites, and because of the love-bombing when I started writing to him, which continued when I actually met him,

    https://psychopathyawareness.wordpre...-and-flattery/

    I thought JLL was the last man in the world who would ever abuse me. Boy, was I ever wrong.

    addition Love bombing is a set up. It sets you up so that it is all the more painful when you are devalued and discarded.
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    I found this yesterday, and thought that it should go here. The title is The Dark Legacy of Carlos Castaneda.

    http://www.salon.com/2007/04/12/castaneda/

    Castaneda was not only a psychopath, as is clear when you read about his behavior, but he was also a plagiarist. There are those who have accused John Lash of plagiarism, too, although I am not one of them. Lash has taken my ideas and presented them as if they are his own, though. He did the same thing with another woman...he took her ideas and presented them as if they were his own, never crediting her.
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    This is surely keeping the thread alive
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    Quote Posted by heyokah (here)
    Quote Posted by Silkie (here)
    Tis is surely keeping the thread alive
    The internet was kind to me today

    But yeah, I mean honestly...killing the big-time marauders with string and rusty nails...its just too funny for words.

    So I don't know how many people are running around the woods making "kill cordings", but I haven't noticed any big time predators dropping dead recently, even though the "lethal strike" video was released quite awhile ago, and surely one lead sinker must have hit the ground by now...

    p.s. There is a book called When Prophecy Fails, by Leon Festinger, Henry Riecken, and Stanley Schachter, about how people deal with cognitive dissonance after, well, the failure of prophecy. I really have to read that book.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

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    One thing I have been wanting to say is that when Lash was in the process of renting Ambergane, there was a woman who did the negotiations for him because she is Spanish. Well, that woman told me that she thought she was negotiating the house for Lash because she thought she would be living there! I knew that she was doing the negotiations, but I did not know that she believed that she would be living there. I thought she knew that I would be living there, but clearly, she did not**. So there was the woman who he really wanted to live there, there was the woman who did the negotiations, and there was me. Three different women. In other words, when it came to Ambergane, he played three women. Lovely.

    ** She did not say that she thought she would be living there with me. She said that she thought she was going to live there. Period. And Lash told me that he let her think it, and that he saw nothing wrong with exploiting her hopes.

    addition So Lash played her twice, the first time when she did the negotiations for him, and the second time later on, when she came thinking she was going to have a little vacation. That was when she and I talked. I was in the process of moving out of Ambergane and finding another place to live, and I needed someone to help me, because I don't speak Spanish. She came to Gaucin apparently thinking she would have a little vacation, and Lash did not tell her (before she came) that the real reason he brought her there was to help me find a place to live. She was not happy about it, and I don't blame her. But I did not know that he had not told her. So he played her twice. Once during the negotiations for Ambergane, and a second time when she came to Gaucin unaware that she would be asked to help me because I don't speak Spanish. And those are only the times I know about. For all I know, there could be more.
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    Apparently, John Lash cannot tell the difference between rational selfishness...the kind Ayn Rand wrote about in The Virtue of Selfishness...and the exploitation of others for one's own selfish ends. Exploitation of others is not the same as rational selfishness, as Ms. Rand makes perfectly clear in her little book.

    http://www.metahistory.org/DogPaddle.php

    If you want to listen, click on "Introductory Talk", under the picture of JLL with his buddy (JLL is on the left), and you will hear how venomous and hateful he sounds when referring to the woman as "babe". It is clear from the talk that he sought to use and exploit her, and that she refused. It is also clear that he waged a long seduction campaign on her, only to have it fail. Good for her!

    p.s. John Lash wears a mask. It is only with intimate contact...the kind I had with him, and that, apparently, the woman he refers to as "babe" had...that the mask slips and you see what he really is.

    Everything he does is meant to manipulate and deceive. He is "loving" only if and only for so long as one is compliant. That means that in order to stay in his circle, you must comply with him, and THAT means that people develop a pseudo-personality.

    Scroll down to "More Specifically" and beyond.

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    http://www.decision-making-confidenc...l-tactics.html


    More specifically…

    The best description for the result of mind control tactics is Edgar Schein's three-step process of unfreezing, changing and refreezing of the identity or personality. He wrote about this in his book coercive persuasion after studying brainwashing programs in China in the 1950s.
    •Unfreezing is literally breaking a person down, getting him to doubt himself and his reality.
    • Changing is the indoctrination process, installing new beliefs, values, ideas, etc and
    • Refreezing is the strengthening and solidification of the new identity, the pseudoidentity, or sometimes called a pseudopersonality.

    The pseudo-personality is best thought of as a personality that represses and dominates the pre-cult personality. It is not, and should not be confused with, multiple personality. To a large extent, it is a clone of the cult leader, with the same ideas, beliefs, values and behaviors.
    His mask slips when one refuses to comply with his wishes, which is what I suspect happened with the woman he refers to as "babe" in the recording. Because when you are with John Lash, what is required of you is compliance, and the longer you are with him, and the more intimate the contact, the more likely it is that you will begin to exhibit non-compliant behavior, even if you have a pseudo-personality. This is natural, and healthy, because no one can suppress their real personality forever without developing suicidal feelings and impulses, as I did toward the end of my relationship with him.

    p.s. I told him I was having suicidal feelings and impulses, but he did not care.

    addition At the risk of stating the obvious, Lash is threatening the woman he refers to as "babe" in the recording.
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    As Bill wrote yesterday, my world around JLL should be on this thread. I am Jan Kerouac's half brother, David. JLL married my sister when she was 15 and he was my brother-in-law until their divorce in the early 70's. Although he was one of my first memories as a baby, we were never close. Jan and he had a karmic bond, messed up as it often was, she did love him. When she died in 1996, she left half of Jack's domestic revenue to me and half to John. John and I are then the Estate of Jan Kerouac. I am in a business relationship with John, but as he won't explain the roots of his racism, holocaust denial, homophobia, etc (this seems to have happened in the last decade), I needed community that understood my odd place in this. And that Jan would not have approved of so much hate, and the cult mentality that his "students" show. The KWP will no doubt fling physic poo at me for writing this, but oh lordy, I had to get it off my chest. Also--as he is a single man heir of Jack Kerouac, I'm curious why he needs donations?--http://gaiaspora.org/donate/

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    As Bill wrote yesterday, my world around JLL should be on this thread. I am Jan Kerouac's half brother, David. JLL married my sister when she was 15 and he was my brother-in-law until their divorce in the early 70's. Although he was one of my first memories as a baby, we were never close. Jan and he had a karmic bond, messed up as it often was, she did love him. When she died in 1996, she left half of Jack's domestic revenue to me and half to John. John and I are then the Estate of Jan Kerouac. I am in a business relationship with John, but as he won't explain the roots of his racism, holocaust denial, homophobia, etc (this seems to have happened in the last decade), I needed community that understood my odd place in this. And that Jan would not have approved of so much hate, and the cult mentality that his "students" show. The KWP will no doubt fling physic poo at me for writing this, but oh lordy, I had to get it off my chest. Also--as he is a single man heir of Jack Kerouac, I'm curious why he needs donations?--http://gaiaspora.org/donate/
    Oh, David, I am so grateful that you have joined PA and are posting here! I know that you don't know me, so I will introduce myself: I am Kundrie**, of the Gaian Navigation Experiment. I used to be in JLL's cult, but I did not know it was a cult at the time. I have since gotten out and am working with a therapist to recover.

    p.s. I don't know why he needs donations, either, but he always said to me that he wants servants. He wants someone to clean his house, which is not big, and which he can easily clean himself, and to do his work. He doesn't want to pay for anything and he wants everyone to donate their time, skills, effort and money for everything from doing his taxes to translating his books, and I think it is all a part of his power tripping.

    p.s. I never went at anyone who didn't like JLL. I thought that if his message was true, then what did it matter what anyone thought of it? I never acted as one of his minions on anyone's website or on anyone's Facebook page.

    **This is the first time I have openly acknowledged that I was Kundrie of the GNE.
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    Quote Posted by badgerboy (here)
    As Bill wrote yesterday, my world around JLL should be on this thread. I am Jan Kerouac's half brother, David. JLL married my sister when she was 15 and he was my brother-in-law until their divorce in the early 70's. Although he was one of my first memories as a baby, we were never close. Jan and he had a karmic bond, messed up as it often was, she did love him. When she died in 1996, she left half of Jack's domestic revenue to me and half to John. John and I are then the Estate of Jan Kerouac. I am in a business relationship with John, but as he won't explain the roots of his racism, holocaust denial, homophobia, etc (this seems to have happened in the last decade), I needed community that understood my odd place in this. And that Jan would not have approved of so much hate, and the cult mentality that his "students" show. The KWP will no doubt fling physic poo at me for writing this, but oh lordy, I had to get it off my chest. Also--as he is a single man heir of Jack Kerouac, I'm curious why he needs donations?--http://gaiaspora.org/donate/

    Thank you, many times over, for sharing this. (And a very warm welcome to what I think you will find to be a most sensitive, intelligent, knowledgeable and supportive community.)


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    I would add that JLL does not have any genuine students, although he and they call them that. The reason that JLL does not have students is because he doesn't really teach anything. He just rambles and rants. Or you go on mushrooms with him, and you just listen while he rambles and rants. But he doesn't teach you anything. Its all just a bunch of baloney that people are deluded into thinking are "teachings".

    Here is a joke:

    Quote A: If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?
    B: Five?
    A: No, four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.
    By the same token, calling something a teaching doesn't make it a teaching. I could ramble and rant, too, but I would not try to make anyone think I was teaching them anything.

    But then, I am not trying to scam money, sex, and other services out of them and I am not trying to exploit their vulnerabilities for my own revoltingly selfish gain.
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    Thanks, Bill and Selkie. It is good to be virtually here, with bright and open community. I began to ask John last year why he was doing interviews on Red Ice radio that had an anti-Semite stance. He acted clueless that that forum promoted racism and then the KWP manifesto came out and he would not answer questions about it. Finally, his cult in his name that has a facebook page took a pro David Duke thread into confusion while I briefly joined the dialogue. John wrote me that he had "no control" over what others wrote on the page attributed to him--which is total bull****. This topic was later brought up by him on his recorded ramblings from August that Selkie posted. I thought, "Oh..can't really talk to me, but you heard me." PA might have some stalkers of his, or I am paranoid, because two hours ago, "they" posted thissorry--it is long but interesting)
    Two Can Play
    "Intra-predators are violently dangerous but pathetic people cannot stand alone in any situation. They require elaborate protection by others, body-guards, assistants, handlers, and a massive battery of surveillance tools. They must rely on intermediaries (sadly, often kind and well-meaning people) to accomplish their intentions. Stand a surro-predator like Stalin up one to one with a sane human being capable of self-defense and the monster cannot last for the blink of an eye. Taken out of their hierarchal control grid, perpetrators are weaklings, vulnerable and wretched wimps. If the spell of insanity breaks around them, they crumble, as Hitler did. As LBJ did. And others who cannot stick out the climax of their own insidious game are now doing.
    to make my point, s urro-predators are not the prey of ritual lethal aggression in the same way as prey naturally selected for nourishment or totemic bonding: they are not symbiotic prey but targets selected purely for elimination.
    Rather than assigning it a preselected prey, Gaia leaves to the human species the special option to eliminate selected members of its own kind. To strike the perpetrators of social evil with murderous rage is not to become like them, far from it. The difference resides in intention and, equally, in the ambient field of emotionality that supports the rage.
    Rite action is not predation on the species itself, not a continuation of the m.o. of the targeted individuals: it is the use of predatory force for selective elimination of a deviant strain of humankind. Those who orchestrate social evil can be eliminated by rite action, the ritual expression of transpersonal rage. The practice of rite action, even the very declaration to practice it, cuts across their false margin of impunity. As fear-mongers, predators are highly susceptible to fear, especially fear of free-roving, dangerous human animals openly dedicated to their extermination. They can be driven to the edge of their madness and neutralized by the mere threat of such competing predatory force. Do they control and persecute by fear? Two can play at that game. But for different aims. Imagine how surro-predators (who know who they are, count on it) would react upon hearing that the hunt is on. Can you imagine what would happen to their vaunted assurance of unreachability upon public knowledge of even one successful hit among their ranks?
    Wild speculation? Am I making reckless and unfounded claims? We'll see about that. The proof is in the practice. To trick is, to have the right passion for the practice of rite action. The passion to harm those who deliberately harm. Not to help or heal them, certainly not to love them. But to exterminate them".
    JLL

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    What JLL and his minions are saying is that they have appointed themselves judge, jury and executioner of anyone they don't like. This is perfectly natural, given that they are a cult,

    Quote http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cultinfo.html

    Common Cult Characteristics

    Eight Conditions of Thought Reform

    [...snip...]

    Dispensed Existence

    The totalist environment draws a sharp line between those whose right to existence can be recognized, and those who possess no such right.
    Lifton gave a Communist example: In thought reform, as in Chinese Communist practice generally, the world is divided into "the people" (defined as "the working class, the peasant class, the petite bourgeoisie, and the national bourgeoisie"), and "the reactionaries" or "the lackies of imperialism" (defined as "the landlord class, the bureaucratic capitalist class, and the KMT reactionaries and their henchmen"). (Page 433.)

    The group decides who has a right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, are unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also.

    The group has an elitist world view — a sharp line is drawn by cult between those who have been saved, chosen, etc. (the cult members) and those who are lost, in the dark, etc. (the rest of the world).

    Former members are seen as "weak, " "lost," "evil," and "the enemy".

    The cult insists that there is no legitimate alternative to membership in the cult.
    Example of Dispensed Existance: "Kali Ma says, 'Either you are party to my supernatural magic, or you are rubble.'"

    Kali doesn't say that ^^^; John Lash says that.
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    Quote Posted by badgerboy (here)
    ...two hours ago, "they" posted thissorry--it is long but interesting)
    Two Can Play
    "Intra-predators are violently dangerous but pathetic people cannot stand alone in any situation. They require elaborate protection by others, body-guards, assistants, handlers, and a massive battery of surveillance tools. They must rely on intermediaries (sadly, often kind and well-meaning people) to accomplish their intentions. Stand a surro-predator like Stalin up one to one with a sane human being capable of self-defense and the monster cannot last for the blink of an eye. Taken out of their hierarchal control grid, perpetrators are weaklings, vulnerable and wretched wimps. If the spell of insanity breaks around them, they crumble, as Hitler did. As LBJ did. And others who cannot stick out the climax of their own insidious game are now doing.
    to make my point, s urro-predators are not the prey of ritual lethal aggression in the same way as prey naturally selected for nourishment or totemic bonding: they are not symbiotic prey but targets selected purely for elimination.
    Rather than assigning it a preselected prey, Gaia leaves to the human species the special option to eliminate selected members of its own kind. To strike the perpetrators of social evil with murderous rage is not to become like them, far from it. The difference resides in intention and, equally, in the ambient field of emotionality that supports the rage.
    Rite action is not predation on the species itself, not a continuation of the m.o. of the targeted individuals: it is the use of predatory force for selective elimination of a deviant strain of humankind. Those who orchestrate social evil can be eliminated by rite action, the ritual expression of transpersonal rage. The practice of rite action, even the very declaration to practice it, cuts across their false margin of impunity. As fear-mongers, predators are highly susceptible to fear, especially fear of free-roving, dangerous human animals openly dedicated to their extermination. They can be driven to the edge of their madness and neutralized by the mere threat of such competing predatory force. Do they control and persecute by fear? Two can play at that game. But for different aims. Imagine how surro-predators (who know who they are, count on it) would react upon hearing that the hunt is on. Can you imagine what would happen to their vaunted assurance of unreachability upon public knowledge of even one successful hit among their ranks?
    Wild speculation? Am I making reckless and unfounded claims? We'll see about that. The proof is in the practice. To trick is, to have the right passion for the practice of rite action. The passion to harm those who deliberately harm. Not to help or heal them, certainly not to love them. But to exterminate them".
    JLL

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    Can you provide a link?

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    The other thing that strikes me is that if the psychopathic PTB super-structure does crumble, JLL has set himself up to be given credit for it, or to take credit for it. I mean, look at the wording,

    Quote "...Those who orchestrate social evil can be eliminated by rite action, the ritual expression of transpersonal rage. The practice of rite action, even the very declaration to practice it, cuts across their false margin of impunity. As fear-mongers, predators are highly susceptible to fear, especially fear of free-roving, dangerous human animals openly dedicated to their extermination. They can be driven to the edge of their madness and neutralized by the mere threat of such competing predatory force. Do they control and persecute by fear? Two can play at that game. But for different aims. Imagine how surro-predators (who know who they are, count on it) would react upon hearing that the hunt is on. Can you imagine what would happen to their vaunted assurance of unreachability upon public knowledge of even one successful hit among their ranks?..."
    (my emphasis)

    The laughable thing is that JLL designed the lethal strike to be totally deniable. He wants to be given credit if a surro-predator drops dead but he doesn't want to be held responsible, and therefor prosecutable, for any deaths. In other words, he wants to have it both ways. In other words, the lethal strike is a mind-f***.

    The lethal strike is as are all cordings. Cordings fall under the heading of MYSTICAL MANIPULATION, number 6 of Lifton's Thought Reform Conditions,

    Quote
    http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cultinfo.html

    MYSTICAL MANIPULATION

    There is manipulation of experiences that appear spontaneous but, in fact, were planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority or spiritual advancement or some special gift or talent that will then allow the leader to reinterpret events, scripture, and experiences as he or she wishes.
    The inevitable next step after milieu control is extensive personal manipulation. This manipulation assumes a no-holds-barred character, and uses every possible device at the milieu's command, no matter how bizarre or painful. Initiated from above, it seeks to provoke specific patterns of behavior and emotion in such a way that these will appear to have arisen spontaneously from within the environment. This element of planned spontaneity, directed as it is by an ostensibly omniscient group, must assume, for the manipulated, a near-mystical quality. (Page 422.)

    Potential convert is convinced of the higher purpose within the special group.

    Everyone is manipulating everyone, under the belief that it advances the "ultimate purpose."

    Experiences are engineered to appear to be spontaneous, when, in fact, they are contrived to have a deliberate effect.

    People mistakenly attribute their experiences to spiritual causes when, in fact, they are concocted by human beings.
    It can never be proved or disproved that any lethal cording, or (any cording at all) actually worked. The lethal strike, and any ordinary cording as well, are unfalsifiable, and therefor they are bulls****; they are a mind-f***.

    Quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

    A statement is called falsifiable if it is possible to conceive an observation or an argument which proves the statement in question to be false. In this sense, falsify is synonymous with nullify, meaning not "to commit fraud" but "show to be false".
    I said to John, "You can't have it both ways.", to which he responded, "Oh, yes, I can!"

    That ought to tell everyone something very, very important.

    addition Long story short, I think, is that JLL thinks he can wage psychological warfare on the surro-predators He thinks he can wage psychological warfare on the masters of psychological warfare, who have had hundreds, if not thousands, of years of practice.

    Does he not realize that if they are paying any attention to him at all, that they recognize exactly what he is trying to do?

    The surro-predators are not vulnerable women who JLL can mind-f***, and yet he talks as if they are That, alone, tells me that JLL has no actual interest in the surro-predators at all, and that his real target is vulnerable people he hopes to lure into his cult



    btw, if anyone has a problem with me saying "mind-f***", just let me know, and I'll change it.
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    Quote Posted by badgerboy (here)
    Thanks, Bill and Selkie. It is good to be virtually here, with bright and open community. I began to ask John last year why he was doing interviews on Red Ice radio that had an anti-Semite stance. He acted clueless that that forum promoted racism and then the KWP manifesto came out and he would not answer questions about it. Finally, his cult in his name that has a facebook page took a pro David Duke thread into confusion while I briefly joined the dialogue. John wrote me that he had "no control" over what others wrote on the page attributed to him--which is total bull****. This topic was later brought up by him on his recorded ramblings from August that Selkie posted. I thought, "Oh..can't really talk to me, but you heard me." PA might have some stalkers of his, or I am paranoid, because two hours ago, "they" posted thissorry--it is long but interesting)
    Two Can Play
    "Intra-predators are violently dangerous but pathetic people cannot stand alone in any situation. They require elaborate protection by others, body-guards, assistants, handlers, and a massive battery of surveillance tools. They must rely on intermediaries (sadly, often kind and well-meaning people) to accomplish their intentions. Stand a surro-predator like Stalin up one to one with a sane human being capable of self-defense and the monster cannot last for the blink of an eye. Taken out of their hierarchal control grid, perpetrators are weaklings, vulnerable and wretched wimps. If the spell of insanity breaks around them, they crumble, as Hitler did. As LBJ did. And others who cannot stick out the climax of their own insidious game are now doing.
    to make my point, s urro-predators are not the prey of ritual lethal aggression in the same way as prey naturally selected for nourishment or totemic bonding: they are not symbiotic prey but targets selected purely for elimination.
    Rather than assigning it a preselected prey, Gaia leaves to the human species the special option to eliminate selected members of its own kind. To strike the perpetrators of social evil with murderous rage is not to become like them, far from it. The difference resides in intention and, equally, in the ambient field of emotionality that supports the rage.
    Rite action is not predation on the species itself, not a continuation of the m.o. of the targeted individuals: it is the use of predatory force for selective elimination of a deviant strain of humankind. Those who orchestrate social evil can be eliminated by rite action, the ritual expression of transpersonal rage. The practice of rite action, even the very declaration to practice it, cuts across their false margin of impunity. As fear-mongers, predators are highly susceptible to fear, especially fear of free-roving, dangerous human animals openly dedicated to their extermination. They can be driven to the edge of their madness and neutralized by the mere threat of such competing predatory force. Do they control and persecute by fear? Two can play at that game. But for different aims. Imagine how surro-predators (who know who they are, count on it) would react upon hearing that the hunt is on. Can you imagine what would happen to their vaunted assurance of unreachability upon public knowledge of even one successful hit among their ranks?
    Wild speculation? Am I making reckless and unfounded claims? We'll see about that. The proof is in the practice. To trick is, to have the right passion for the practice of rite action. The passion to harm those who deliberately harm. Not to help or heal them, certainly not to love them. But to exterminate them".
    JLL

    "Party on, Garth..." Wayne.
    Welcome to Avalon badgerboy.

    As i was after listening to the JL Avalon interview. I am also lost for words with what you just posted. but thanks for more conformation that JL is one sick individual who attempts to paint Sophia in his own likeness. Thank goodness the vast majority of the awakened know better.

    Quote Posted by Selkie (here)
    What JLL and his minions are saying is that they have appointed themselves judge, jury and executioner of anyone they don't like. This is perfectly natural, given that they are a cult,
    .
    It certainly looks that way Selkie and I am glad you walked away from this infection.
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


    Peace

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