Anomalies in The Ruiner's material

[JChombre]

Posted by Rachel (here)

Posted by bsbray (here)
This may or may not make peoples' lives easier around here: http://www.philocomp.net/humanities/signature.htm

It's stylometric analysis software. Meaning you load multiple texts in there from multiple known authors, and the the longer the text samples the more accurate the comparison will be.

After you've loaded the known authors, you load a text by an unknown author ("Cassandra") in this case and it will analyze the text based on word lengths, sentence lengths, etc. and show which author(s) the unknown text most closely matches.

There is more sophisticated software for Linux but it's not as user friendly.

Also I should point out that this stuff is not foolproof. It's possible to imitate someone else's posting style though, or to change one's own style intentionally. But if "Cassandra's letter" is a close match to the bulk of the text on Shane's blog then that is not something that is determined by who transcribed it. That is telling about the author himself/herself.

Have you given this version a trial? I need to split my mac and load Windows before I can try it and would like to know if it's worth the trouble. Or I can look for a mac version.

Hello Rachel,

Many years ago when I was teaching students, we were provided with a software program that allowed us to identify students who had most likely plagiarized. It was very simple to use. We highlighted a student written work and if 25% of this work matched other published material, then the software suggested that the student had plagiarized and the work was rejected.

I don't remember the name of the software, so I searched google and found the following link that that you may find useful. I don't know if it is Mac-ready but it seems to be a good product.

http://www.plagiarism.org/

Now, do we really need to use outside tools like software programs to find whether Shane or Corey are truthful in their writings and other activities. For me, the answer is a categorical NO because Paul, Bill Ryan and any other human being has this amazing inner ability that allows everyone to "know" the truth, non-truth and more. We all have this "knowingness" inside of us. We all "know the knowledge inside of us", as I heard one morning during my 5:15 AM meditation.

So in my humble opinion, the key is to take the information (any information)inside, internalize and "listen" to it; then decides whether or not to accept or reject this information. Of course, I am breaking up this process here to explain it; in reality, it happens in the blink of an eye.

Then, as one develops this awareness and live more and more in sync with this "knowingness", discordant situations are automatically dismissed or cease to present themselves in the individual's life. For instance, I read a little bit about Corey after all the noise made about him by David Wilcock. Let's just say that Corey's stuff didn't resonate with me, so I stopped paying attention to anything related to this individual. Also, I listened for 10 - 15 min as Kerry Cassidy interviewed the Ruiner (Shane) and with no specific reasons I lost interest in this interview and went on to do other things... My point here is that the answer is inside of us not outside.

Thank you and many blessings.

JC

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Johnny (here)

early this year (2105)

Where the heck are you Paul ??? he he !!

Johnny

I'm in Dsylexiaville ... a town not far from Margaritaville, so I'm told .

[Harley]

My thoughts, basically described by quotes of others, but not necessarily posted in order:

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
I have to say I'm feeling very frustrated with this entire thread. [...] A theory was advanced that there might be a larger psy-op/manipulation of the alternative community going on, which leaves me wondering why we are not getting the October 5 detailed emails straight away. Without those, it is starting to feel like THIS is the manipulation. Division and disagreement and a slow trashing of someone once on a PA pedestal, based so far on a letter that was doubted from the start by many.

Posted by onawah (here)
It would be great if we could avoid doing the blame game.
When it comes to whistleblowers who are very much under scrutiny from both sides, it certainly can't be an easy line to walk, and for investigative truth seekers, it's like searching for needles in haystacks.
We can only surmise, from what has been revealed over the years here on Avalon and elsewhere, that whistleblowers who want to live are only allowed to say so much, that they may be allowed to give us some truth but only so much, and only if they mix in some disinformation as well.
This is to appease the controllers sense of what is fair, apparently, and to keep us distracted and unsure.
If they can claim that they have giveb us hints as to what they are up to, they think that exonerates them from all their evil doings, apparently.

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
I pity the poor real experiencers that come forward.

Posted by Realeyes (here)
Methinks if any of the great wise sages of olden times were to incarnate now in these present Times, they would all elect to be a quiet and simple road sweeper.

While I don't consider myself a "great wise sage of olden times" (although I am getting kinda old ), all points have been seriously noted.

[norman]

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
...... this thread is up to 94 posts and is mainly just members either thanking the Mods for sussing something out........

................or members reaffirming their original thoughts..........


A theory was advanced that there might be a larger psy-op/manipulation of the alternative community going on.............

19 thanks and counting........ tells me to be more careful where I expose my thoughts in future.

I'm already worried.

If we can put this picture together, together, I'll be surprised.

I'm swinging in the direction of doing it just for myself, .... and facing the rest of the 'selfish karma' as the cost of understanding.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Harley (here)

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
A theory was advanced that there might be a larger psy-op/manipulation of the alternative community going on

Yes, post #63, here. It just might be really important. It's possible that this is where the journey might lead.

Posted by Harley (here)

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
leaves me wondering why we are not getting the October 5 detailed emails straight away.

Posted earlier today on post #94, here. There's not been a comment yet about this, as best as I can see. it contains a very great deal of information.

Posted by Harley (here)

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
I pity the poor real experiencers that come forward.

I've spoken with a lot of real experiencers (I am one myself, too), and most of them tell their stories in a rather different way.

Posted by Harley (here)

Posted by Realeyes (here)
Methinks if any of the great wise sages of olden times were to incarnate now in these present Times, they would all elect to be a quiet and simple road sweeper.

Does this mean that Realeyes feels that Shane is a wise sage?

[ThePythonicCow]

Names matter ... actual, real world identities as individual people who walk the surface of this earth matter.

If we knew who the bastards were who have been and continue to exercise tyrannical control over humanity for at least thousands, likely hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions, of years, then the wrath of humanity would overwhelm those tyrants, and in the words of Henry Ford, "there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

That's why Shane was told not to tell names.

That's why the many incredible tales of Gods and Aliens (not that there aren't aliens, as I presume there are.) Those tales are more fantasy, allegory, fiction, and incredible layers over reality, as a multi-layered smoke screen of shifting patterns, to hide the "man behind the curtain."

There is a delightful article explaining that names matter here: My name is Nobody: Religious fanaticism is a western tradition. This article concludes with the words: "the refusal to name names is not accidental."

Shane should not blame us for seeking the real, grounded in physical reality, truth, behind the enslavement of humanity. He does not get off the hook by protesting that he labeled his work fiction, so it's our fault for trying to make more of it." No - it's his fault for not recognizing that the Gothic vampire novels, Hollywood movies, the fantasy games earlier played with boards and cards and now played on the computer, the hundreds of mutilated "insider whistleblower" stories that we have sifted through, ... that these lies have deliberately and elaborately obscured from our vision the essential facts of who in the hell is doing this. If such were well known, then the bastards "would be chased down in the streets and lynched", in the words of George H. W. Bush.

Do not protest, Shane, that you warned us that this was all fiction (except for the Cassandra letters, which you protest were not fiction <grin>.)

Rather, for the sake of your own sanity and well being, and as your contribution to humanity, work with us and on your own, to peel back these fantastical layers of fiction and half-truth, to expose, by name, the bastards behind yours and our enslavement.

The monotheistic religions of the last two millenia, which have served well the tyranny of warring tribes on a single planet are breaking down. Those religions will not serve either the tyrants nor the slaves of a species that dominates a star system. Those religions are being replaced. Let us not allow another 2000 years of institutionalized lies, like those that took our confessions and shared intelligence about the enslaved masses, these last 2000 years.

Who the hell are you, bastards? I would tell you to go to hell, but you would likely take that to mean that I am beseeching you to continue to turn into hell wherever you are. No ... Get lost!

[awakeningmom]

First, thanks, Bill, for providing the October 5 Question and Answers. I guess I’ll take a first crack at responding about them specifically.

Honestly, I guess my first reaction after reading the 12 Q & A’s is confusion. Is that all? I just don’t see what responses from Shane caused you and the Mod Team to suddenly feel like he was lying or mind-controlled or part of a larger agenda. As someone else has already pointed out, his story is already quite fantastic (to many of us), with Dracos and Giants and Parents, etc. – and yet you and many Mod members stood by Shane and this story prior to this Q & A session. I guess I’m having a hard time understanding what made the “something’s not right” lightbulbs go off NOW?

1. The first question about the “sleeping giants,” is confusing to me. Shane has spoken about his in-person experiences with giants in his blog, but it appears that you are asking him about what he had experienced back in 2013, when he (I assume) first reached out to you? I guess I am not sure what the question was hoping to clarify. Or why his answer set off alarm bells.

2. Question 2 about the letters makes sense, and I agree that Shane’s answers on this aren’t all that comforting to anyone who already suspects that they are too modern to be written by the Queen of the Damned. But then again, concerns about the modernity and obvious similarity to Shane’s writing style had been raised long before this actual Q & A session – so why would this suddenly be a problem to you/the Mods?

3. Shane’s Answers to Questions 3-6 don’t raise any alarm bells for me any more than the ENTIRE STORY set forth in his blog does. Is it just the continuing vagueness/lack of real detail? I agree that his answers are frustratingly vague – but that has been his style throughout his blog and the answers he provides to those posting questions there. Was there another set of questions besides these questions where you asked for more details that just weren’t forthcoming? Or were these 12 it?

4. Finally, I honestly don’t understand the sudden rash of questions about Corey (and Christine) in Q’s 7-12. Is the concern that Corey and Shane are actually working together in this potential alternative community manipulation? What makes you think so, if yes? And why does it matter when he befriended Christine and whether it was over or under a year ago? Is Christine part of a larger manipulation too?

Sorry, but I have no idea who Stacy is, or what the import of the surveillance video someone has or doesn’t have is. It certainly feels like there’s some inside story that matters far more than what Shane may or may not know about Awakening Giants, Suicidal Parents, Departing Dracos, and Energetic Waves. And apparently Shane’s answers mattered a great deal since they precipitated this withdrawal of support for him. But because I don’t know the inside backstory, it is hard to understand why these 12 questions were the most important to ask pre-interview – and why Shane’s answers were enough to decide he was most likely, in the words of another member, “full o’chit.” I CAN understand, however, why this would have felt like an ambush to Shane if he thought he was being interviewed about his Blog or his presumed Illuminati intel -- and was instead grilled about his relationship to Corey Goode.

I don’t know if anything else is forthcoming that could clarify the above confusion, but I’m not sure it’s worth unraveling anymore. This all somehow feels really wrong to me.

[PurpleLama]

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
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I don’t know if anything else is forthcoming that could clarify the above confusion, but I’m not sure it’s worth unraveling anymore. This all somehow feels really wrong to me.

Heheh heheh. She said Unraveling.

[Daozen]

As a result, he said, he was banished to a desolate planet that contained no sentient beings,

Earth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk

It paints a picture of the possibility of a huge strategic attempt to confuse every one of us with false claims that seem for all the world to be credible, in some cases presented by the very nicest and most sincere people.

Just to be crystal clear, my comment about keeping people behind the curve doesn't apply to Shane, but most of the other celeb whistleblowers. There are many red flags that raise when someone is lying, Shane doesn't have any of them.

If he had been lying about either Cassandra letter, for example, he would've faked a copy himself and then photographed it with a smartphone. Insider etiquette means you take no photos of anything, as most insiders, especially the negatives, can be very paranoid and even pompous about their privacy. You must know that even more than me Bill.

Cassandra may have sounded somewhat senile, instead of -juvenile- because the poor lady may have been drinking jugular blood for the last 14,000 years. That has got to suck. Whatever life extension method she used must have taken it's toll on her soul and brain. The Ruiner alluded to this in the Thomas Williams interview...

EDIT: (Reading teh OCt 5th Q+A) Plus, Cassandra and the Ruiner had a relationship outside the 'structure', so the letter may be just too personal to share.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by JChombre (here)
Hello Rachel,

Many years ago when I was teaching students, we were provided with a software program that allowed us to identify students who had most likely plagiarized. It was very simple to use. We highlighted a student written work and if 25% of this work matched other published material, then the software suggested that the student had plagiarized and the work was rejected.

I don't remember the name of the software, so I searched google and found the following link that that you may find useful. I don't know if it is Mac-ready but it seems to be a good product.

http://www.plagiarism.org/

Now, do we really need to use outside tools like software programs to find whether Shane or Corey are truthful in their writings and other activities. For me, the answer is a categorical NO because Paul, Bill Ryan and any other human being has this amazing inner ability that allows everyone to "know" the truth, non-truth and more. We all have this "knowingness" inside of us. We all "know the knowledge inside of us", as I heard one morning during my 5:15 AM meditation.

So in my humble opinion, the key is to take the information (any information)inside, internalize and "listen" to it; then decides whether or not to accept or reject this information. Of course, I am breaking up this process here to explain it; in reality, it happens in the blink of an eye.

Then, as one develops this awareness and live more and more in sync with this "knowingness", discordant situations are automatically dismissed or cease to present themselves in the individual's life. For instance, I read a little bit about Corey after all the noise made about him by David Wilcock. Let's just say that Corey's stuff didn't resonate with me, so I stopped paying attention to anything related to this individual. Also, I listened for 10 - 15 min as Kerry Cassidy interviewed the Ruiner (Shane) and with no specific reasons I lost interest in this interview and went on to do other things... My point here is that the answer is inside of us not outside.

Thank you and many blessings.

JC

Yes, thank you JC, excellent point. My interest in the software is more for a tool for other research purposes, than any interest I have in Shane's material, which is minimal. I replied to Bsbray on this thread, rather than in PM, in case others were also interested in the usefulness of the practical application of the software.

Many blessings to you also.

My apologies for heading the thread off its intended direction.

[transiten]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
...... this thread is up to 94 posts and is mainly just members either thanking the Mods for sussing something out........

................or members reaffirming their original thoughts..........



A theory was advanced that there might be a larger psy-op/manipulation of the alternative community going on.............

19 thanks and counting........ tells me to be more careful where I expose my thoughts in future.

I'm already worried.

If we can put this picture together, together, I'll be surprised.

I'm swinging in the direction of doing it just for myself, .... and facing the rest of the 'selfish karma' as the cost of understanding.

Seconds prior to read your post norman this was what I was thinking: How much personal shadow work is made on Avalon....also after pondering how fast the Synchronicity thread started by WitheLove seems to have faded...

[Daozen]

Posted by transiten (here)
Seconds prior to read your post norman this was what I was thinking: How much personal shadow work is made on Avalon....also after pondering how fast the Synchronicity thread started by WitheLove seems to have faded...

There is a lot of shadow work and catharsis that goes on here, and to their credit, the mods let nearly all of it go. They let small fights and squabbles happen freely, as occasional heated discussion is a normal part of any community. I have never been moderated here, for example. On most other boards I have had someone breathing down my neck for one reason or another. Stifling problems only makes them fester, and then surface later in a different form.

[Wind]

Posted by Daozen (here)
Stifling problems only makes them fester, and then surface later in a different form.

You hit the nail on the head with that one. It applies to many things...

[transiten]

Posted by Daozen (here)

Posted by transiten (here)
Seconds prior to read your post norman this was what I was thinking: How much personal shadow work is made on Avalon....also after pondering how fast the Synchronicity thread started by WitheLove seems to have faded...

There is a lot of shadow work and catharsis that goes on here, and to their credit, the mods let nearly all of it go. They let small fights and squabbles happen freely, as occasional heated discussion is a normal part of any community. I have never been moderated here, for example. On most other boards I have had someone breathing down my neck for one reason or another. Stifling problems only makes them fester, and then surface later in a different form.

Daozen I both understand and don't understand what you mean? And wonder if you did understand my point? Of course as you say "stifling problems make them fester and then surface in a different form".

I was thinking of conscious personal work with one's own shadow in connection to topics like this and hence the collective unconscious, not the unconscious breaking through of personal rejections which of course might be the start of conscious work with the personal and collective unconscious. As always, pointing your finger at someone always make three fingers point back at yourself.

This doesn't mean putting blame on anyone, but as one spots something negative in another person it's an opportunity to change something within oneself however small or big that reflected issue might be.

[Daozen]

Maybe I missed your point and made an alternate one, Transiten. I think a lot of shadow work ends up involuntary and unconscious. It's better to do it premeditated and consciously, but it can't always be that way. I was just noticing Project Avalon's value as a vehicle for spiritual cleansing.

[transiten]

Was going to post something and changed my mind....can't get rid of the post though so I have to type something - is this shadow work

[Matthew]

Regarding this

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
...
Yes, post #63, here. It just might be really important. It's possible that this is where the journey might lead.
...

I was infected briefly. Corey gets excited in the climate of non-disclosure and provides everyone some certainty. Certainty without proof. And it's reassuring. Communities are troubled and individuals emmerge who act. It's like whistleblower city.

And the suggestion is there is a root effect and ripple effects and this all might be deliberate.

If deliberate I would guess it serves more than one purpose. I further guess at least distraction, disinformation and it is a little disarming.

Distraction: Take the deaths reported in alternative medicine for example. It's like the dangerous and scarey aspects are hard to hold onto.
Disarming: These fictions and/or facts from Corey, DW, The Runier, etc are a respite from the uncertainty and scareyness (to a greater or lesser degree, some less than others) and are nice to hear. It's dulling and safe when perhaps we need to play a more active part.

Just some thoughts.


edit: post it transiten!

[transiten]

Ok YoYoYo, I was going to post a video with Aly Bain and Boys of the Lough that showed not being allowed in other fora than youtube and got the hunch maybe i should not post it. Got the idea since Daozen is from Scotland and once I attended a fiddle course with Aly Bain here in Sweden during a period when I was being brainwashed by a meditationguru which consequences have made me look deep down into the "Dark Night of the Soul".

There are also golden treasures to be found there, once admitted and forgiven. And this lively music reminded me of that.

Here's a Jungian joke i just posted in another thread:

-I lost my keys
-Where did you lose them?
-Over there (pointing to a dark area)
-So why are you looking here under the street lamp?
-It's more lit up here
-

***********************
Note from Bill: , please!

That's why I decided NOT to post but decided to after the encouragement of YoYoYo

[Catsquotl]

Probably not important, but why use the color red in the Q&A post? https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1008762

I remember an old book of teaching kids the bible at school everything about the devil was also in a red font.
Also there are a few articles around if you want to explore how color changes your perception of things based on cultural upbringing..

It feels like exploring truth is no longer the issue, but trying to find validating arguments to gut impressions are.

Ah well it seems the wheels keep on turning..
I really don't get why the truth of Shane's blog is an issue all of a sudden. It isn't that he's making ****loads of money from it unlike other whistleblowers that have come and gone.
He is as far as I can tell writing or rather wroting about his view of his truth.

As far as I am concerned that fact alone makes it so it can never be my truth as truth is something one lives.
Like so many fantastic and imaginative stories that made it to the alt-community over the years this is another one with gems and glitters painting part of what will be your truth.

Truth is what we believe it to be. I.m.h.o that is.
This is why television works as a mind altering device. I would hope that anyone who has been around the block once would know how they can discern their personal truth and those who done it twice or thrice would know that truth in the end has to do f..all with live.

With Love
Eelco

[Rusalka]

Dear All,

I have been following information provided by the alternative media for many years now and I have come to one simple conclusion. Where there is a problem, there is always a solution - it comes as a package.
The problem here, concerning the whole Avalon forum – supported further by Bill’s eloquent formulation of his life leitmotif – is the quest for truth.

What is the truth?

I believe that we as a human race have labels for things that do not actually exist. We do not know any better, so we have them.
We live in bubble realities that are highly subjective. This is in fact the multiverse everyone is speaking of. As you are, so you attract. Let’s say you are a scientist trying to find a proof for your hypothesis and in the room next door, there is your colleague trying to refute it. You will both be successful. You will start to attract the proof of whatever you are focusing on.

Everything is valid, everything exists.

You are both looking for the truth, but what you will discover is the fact that there are many, depending on your own personal set up, so to speak.

So, the question is “What do you want to be the truth for you“? What do you want your subjective reality to look like?

The plethora of whistleblower testimonies serves one purpose only, it gives us the opportunity to pick and choose. There is a reason for the conflicting statements. This is the only way for us to realise that we cannot listen to the outside sources anymore. We need to go inside.
The outside reality shapes itself according to what we are...

Of course, there is the consensual reality in which we perceive the „same things“ – the person standing next to me sees the same building infront of us – would it be otherwise, we could not have any discussion, form any relationships or grow as a collective...

I have read almost the entire Shane‘s blog and listened to all available public interviews. I can see the point in his claim that everything stated in his blog is a work of fiction. It is one point of view shared by few, relevant to their subjective realities. By focusing on that you are attracting similar experiences into your reality.

Until one of the reptilians, greys or whatever species show up in your living room, the whole thing you are being fed are just stories – descriptions of somebody’s subjective reality bubble.

So, choose wisely what you put your attention on.

I do believe that some of the stories are actually meant to be distractions and it works really well. Look at the community, we are all over the place, our attention is scattered. We jump from one thing to the next. Look at this, look at that...no look at this. That is true, no this is true, or maybe that...Well, choose and stick to it that’s the only way to bring it forth into manifestation.

In theory, if enough people believe and focus on the same thing, it becomes part of the consensual reality – everyone can perceive it – so, what we are going to do about it?

The biggest contribution of the aforementioned blog is the overall entourage of positivity because it is in our best interest to come from such a place.

With love and gratitude for your existence,