Who says people aren't waking up?

[danegeroussacredgeometry]

Posted by Megrubbieswet (here)
People all around the world are being informed, starting their journey of unconditional love, finding their highest selves and truths. I feel this is true because the control system is slowly being crushed, and its rapidly increasing because so many people are becoming informed! I feel though being awake is a different story though. I honestly don't know who I was in this previous life time, I only really know myself here. But i did incarnate here for an indefinite reason and many other people in other soul groups did as well. I'm only 17, I have been so slack these last months, and i feel like its all caught up to me.. But still I've come so far. To a new beginning everyone!

I completely agree with your post. Pleased to meet you!

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I can only speak from my experience regarding the question at hand but I DO see people waking up to the deceptions, distractions, and destructions going on in the world. I too am in my early 20’s. For me, “waking up” is a lifelong journey but it would not have been the same had I not met individuals along the way who were willing to share their wisdom with me. I sat, recently, at a friend’s house with three other people at a table and we all shared what we had been experiencing or hypothesized, or knew factually. This helps A LOT because together we were all able to make connections based off where we were all at. I’ve learned that EVERYONE has something they can teach us ☺ These specific individuals had over 10 years each of researching all this stuff and I seemed to be a lot like the newborn child opening his eyes lol. But it’s important to note that each of these individuals didn’t just spit out “what they knew to me” like “hey kid this is the way it is… now accept it and move on.” Not at all. We would converse and they would show me where they learned the information... And then would leave me at peace to find my own way afterward.

Selkie, you said to give others time to find out for themselves. I strongly disagree. We need to come together.

There is an enormous amount of bull**** out there and it becomes ever more increasingly difficult to figure out what’s true and what isn’t. Well that’s where the older generation can help my generation out. There are a multitude of individuals here on Avalon who freely speak of the knowledge they have obtained. This is fantastic, but it’s also a lot easier sharing our truth through a computer screen. Anonymity can be a double-edged sword. But I do wonder how many share these things with individuals in their daily lives. (Not saying some don’t I just believe it would be powerful for all to do so). Yes, this forum is incredible and I have grown a lot through attempting to see the world through all of your different perspectives.

Which is why I am pleading with you all in lue of this! Teach those around you what you may know in a setting beyond the screen. Plant seeds wherever you go! Some may fall upon the thorns or be picked up by the birds of the air… but some may hit the ground and begin to sprout roots and flourish.

We are all teachers... But a good teacher is merely a catalyst for change. Never a forceful giver of truth but rather a guide… a pointer to truth that each student must find for himself.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I was told a great story about a man who held a glass vial around his neck. He pulled it out to show someone and took off the top of the vial. “Inside”, he said… “Is a mustard seed… one of the smallest yet mightiest seeds in the world!” And then he grabbed the seed, put it back in his vial, and hung it once gain around his neck.

What’s the use of this knowledge if you don’t use it to help others who were once like you when you woke up to the deceptions, distractions, and destructions ever present in our world? Remember how you felt when you realized most of what you thought was real was actually deception?
This is a forum filled with an immense amount of wisdom. Please continue to share it with my generation! Don’t lose hope because I promise there are many young’ins like myself who have been blessed by those older with much more experience. You just may be the individual who helped a seed flourish and grow who happened to cross my path and did the same for me. So if you have made a living in sowing seeds. Thank you!!! It is because of people like you that my generation is beginning to wake up and hopefully if enough of us do awaken we can leave this world in a better place by the time we are no longer the young’ins

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by lucidity (here)
However, the graph has cut off the vertical axis so it makes it look
as if there's been more growth than there has in reality.
Try extending the y-axis down to 0 and up to 100% and you'll see the
true picture appears much more horizontal.

According to the graph, Americans have woken up 5% in nearly 10 years.
They clearly need more coffee ...or a good shaking.

I'm not sure how you got 5% in 10 years, lucidity. The numbers I am seeing are 30% in 2003, and 49% in 2015. That's a difference of 19% in 12 years.

Also, the x-axis has been cut off, too. Imagine what these numbers would have looked like in the 1950's, when "Leave It to Beaver" was the model American family.

[Selkie]

Posted by danegeroussacredgeometry (here)

Posted by Megrubbieswet (here)
People all around the world are being informed, starting their journey of unconditional love, finding their highest selves and truths. I feel this is true because the control system is slowly being crushed, and its rapidly increasing because so many people are becoming informed! I feel though being awake is a different story though. I honestly don't know who I was in this previous life time, I only really know myself here. But i did incarnate here for an indefinite reason and many other people in other soul groups did as well. I'm only 17, I have been so slack these last months, and i feel like its all caught up to me.. But still I've come so far. To a new beginning everyone!

I completely agree with your post. Pleased to meet you!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I can only speak from my experience regarding the question at hand but I DO see people waking up to the deceptions, distractions, and destructions going on in the world. I too am in my early 20’s. For me, “waking up” is a lifelong journey but it would not have been the same had I not met individuals along the way who were willing to share their wisdom with me. I sat, recently, at a friend’s house with three other people at a table and we all shared what we had been experiencing or hypothesized, or knew factually. This helps A LOT because together we were all able to make connections based off where we were all at. I’ve learned that EVERYONE has something they can teach us ☺ These specific individuals had over 10 years each of researching all this stuff and I seemed to be a lot like the newborn child opening his eyes lol. But it’s important to note that each of these individuals didn’t just spit out “what they knew to me” like “hey kid this is the way it is… now accept it and move on.” Not at all. We would converse and they would show me where they learned the information... And then would leave me at peace to find my own way afterward.

Selkie, you said to give others time to find out for themselves. I strongly disagree. We need to come together.

There is an enormous amount of bull**** out there and it becomes ever more increasingly difficult to figure out what’s true and what isn’t. Well that’s where the older generation can help my generation out. There are a multitude of individuals here on Avalon who freely speak of the knowledge they have obtained. This is fantastic, but it’s also a lot easier sharing our truth through a computer screen. Anonymity can be a double-edged sword. But I do wonder how many share these things with individuals in their daily lives. (Not saying some don’t I just believe it would be powerful for all to do so). Yes, this forum is incredible and I have grown a lot through attempting to see the world through all of your different perspectives.

Which is why I am pleading with you all in lue of this! Teach those around you what you may know in a setting beyond the screen. Plant seeds wherever you go! Some may fall upon the thorns or be picked up by the birds of the air… but some may hit the ground and begin to sprout roots and flourish.

We are all teachers... But a good teacher is merely a catalyst for change. Never a forceful giver of truth but rather a guide… a pointer to truth that each student must find for himself.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I was told a great story about a man who held a glass vial around his neck. He pulled it out to show someone and took off the top of the vial. “Inside”, he said… “Is a mustard seed… one of the smallest yet mightiest seeds in the world!” And then he grabbed the seed, put it back in his vial, and hung it once gain around his neck.

What’s the use of this knowledge if you don’t use it to help others who were once like you when you woke up to the deceptions, distractions, and destructions ever present in our world? Remember how you felt when you realized most of what you thought was real was actually deception?
This is a forum filled with an immense amount of wisdom. Please continue to share it with my generation! Don’t lose hope because I promise there are many young’ins like myself who have been blessed by those older with much more experience. You just may be the individual who helped a seed flourish and grow who happened to cross my path and did the same for me. So if you have made a living in sowing seeds. Thank you!!! It is because of people like you that my generation is beginning to wake up and hopefully if enough of us do awaken we can leave this world in a better place by the time we are no longer the young’ins

I don't like "helping" and I don't like "helpers", and I am not going to go around trying to "wake people up", or try to make them "see" that there is something wrong with them, or how they live, or what they think. Should I go around proselytizing in order that we may "come together" (whatever that means) like some New Age Jehovah's Witnesses? Ugh! New Age Fundamentalism I'd rather convert to the Jehovah's Witnesses

Like it or not, people have a right to what they believe, and a right to how they live, and they have the right to live in peace without being prevailed upon to change to anyone's idea of what is right, no matter how convinced the other is of the rightness of THEIR own beliefs or way of life.

[thunder24]

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[observer]

Posted by danegeroussacredgeometry (here)
....click on forwarding icon to see danegeroussacredgeometry's comment #21

In my personal life, I am looked upon as the 'elephant in the room'.

Not a conversation goes-by when I don't attempt to give the same sort of detail to my acquaintances and family that I'm accustom to giving, here in Avalon. I don't push the information on anybody, but I make it clear, there is so much we don't understand.

I don't get invited to many parties, and few of my old friends wish to converse with me as a result.

I see it all as, the majority just don't want to know....

[Shannon]

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by danegeroussacredgeometry (here)

Posted by Megrubbieswet (here)
People all around the world are being informed, starting their journey of unconditional love, finding their highest selves and truths. I feel this is true because the control system is slowly being crushed, and its rapidly increasing because so many people are becoming informed! I feel though being awake is a different story though. I honestly don't know who I was in this previous life time, I only really know myself here. But i did incarnate here for an indefinite reason and many other people in other soul groups did as well. I'm only 17, I have been so slack these last months, and i feel like its all caught up to me.. But still I've come so far. To a new beginning everyone!

I completely agree with your post. Pleased to meet you!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I can only speak from my experience regarding the question at hand but I DO see people waking up to the deceptions, distractions, and destructions going on in the world. I too am in my early 20’s. For me, “waking up” is a lifelong journey but it would not have been the same had I not met individuals along the way who were willing to share their wisdom with me. I sat, recently, at a friend’s house with three other people at a table and we all shared what we had been experiencing or hypothesized, or knew factually. This helps A LOT because together we were all able to make connections based off where we were all at. I’ve learned that EVERYONE has something they can teach us ☺ These specific individuals had over 10 years each of researching all this stuff and I seemed to be a lot like the newborn child opening his eyes lol. But it’s important to note that each of these individuals didn’t just spit out “what they knew to me” like “hey kid this is the way it is… now accept it and move on.” Not at all. We would converse and they would show me where they learned the information... And then would leave me at peace to find my own way afterward.

Selkie, you said to give others time to find out for themselves. I strongly disagree. We need to come together.

There is an enormous amount of bull**** out there and it becomes ever more increasingly difficult to figure out what’s true and what isn’t. Well that’s where the older generation can help my generation out. There are a multitude of individuals here on Avalon who freely speak of the knowledge they have obtained. This is fantastic, but it’s also a lot easier sharing our truth through a computer screen. Anonymity can be a double-edged sword. But I do wonder how many share these things with individuals in their daily lives. (Not saying some don’t I just believe it would be powerful for all to do so). Yes, this forum is incredible and I have grown a lot through attempting to see the world through all of your different perspectives.

Which is why I am pleading with you all in lue of this! Teach those around you what you may know in a setting beyond the screen. Plant seeds wherever you go! Some may fall upon the thorns or be picked up by the birds of the air… but some may hit the ground and begin to sprout roots and flourish.

We are all teachers... But a good teacher is merely a catalyst for change. Never a forceful giver of truth but rather a guide… a pointer to truth that each student must find for himself.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I was told a great story about a man who held a glass vial around his neck. He pulled it out to show someone and took off the top of the vial. “Inside”, he said… “Is a mustard seed… one of the smallest yet mightiest seeds in the world!” And then he grabbed the seed, put it back in his vial, and hung it once gain around his neck.

What’s the use of this knowledge if you don’t use it to help others who were once like you when you woke up to the deceptions, distractions, and destructions ever present in our world? Remember how you felt when you realized most of what you thought was real was actually deception?
This is a forum filled with an immense amount of wisdom. Please continue to share it with my generation! Don’t lose hope because I promise there are many young’ins like myself who have been blessed by those older with much more experience. You just may be the individual who helped a seed flourish and grow who happened to cross my path and did the same for me. So if you have made a living in sowing seeds. Thank you!!! It is because of people like you that my generation is beginning to wake up and hopefully if enough of us do awaken we can leave this world in a better place by the time we are no longer the young’ins

I don't like "helping" and I don't like "helpers", and I am not going to go around trying to "wake people up", or try to make them "see" that there is something wrong with them, or how they live, or what they think. Should I go around proselytizing in order that we may "come together" (whatever that means) like some New Age Jehovah's Witnesses? Ugh! New Age Fundamentalism I'd rather convert to the Jehovah's Witnesses

Like it or not, people have a right to what they believe, and a right to how they live, and they have the right to live in peace without being prevailed upon to change to anyone's idea of what is right, no matter how convinced the other is of the rightness of THEIR own beliefs or way of life.

This!!! So much this!! I don't like even using the word help, I try to use assist instead but regardless. No one wants helps if they aren't asking for it.

Seriously guys, think about it, are we really that ignorant to think that by telling everyone we know there are false flags everywhere, alien false flags, Zionist agendas, a galactic federation out there and illuminati d-bags out to kill us will turn the American people around? No we have to let it happen organically, people are starting to see how bad a job the people in charge are doing, what our kids are being exposed to and how many lies are being told. Id like to be there for them when they do get the big picture! Work it out and make some game plans for what may come. I'm not going to and never will shove my ideas or thoughts down someone's throat.

If this news in the op is true I can't see one good reason to be critical ...these numbers In The op tell me something's been getting done right.

[Bubu]

Posted by lucidity (here)
Good post :-)

However, the graph has cut off the vertical axis so it makes it look
as if there's been more growth than there has in reality.
Try extending the y-axis down to 0 and up to 100% and you'll see the
true picture appears much more horizontal.

According to the graph, Americans have woken up 5% in nearly 10 years.
They clearly need more coffee ...or a good shaking.

On the other hand, Americans work too hard, they simply haven't got the time to
think about trivialities like totalitarianism, global proxy wars, nukes in china
or funding foreign terrorism.

Perhaps all that will change soon with the soaring unemployment rates.

be happy :-)

lucidity

Even if its less than 5% as long as there is progress we the awake should continue to do what we are doing (shaking the sleepers). The more people waking up the faster the waking up goes. We hope to reach the tipping point before the PTB reach their goal.

[Selkie]

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by danegeroussacredgeometry (here)

Posted by Megrubbieswet (here)
People all around the world are being informed, starting their journey of unconditional love, finding their highest selves and truths. I feel this is true because the control system is slowly being crushed, and its rapidly increasing because so many people are becoming informed! I feel though being awake is a different story though. I honestly don't know who I was in this previous life time, I only really know myself here. But i did incarnate here for an indefinite reason and many other people in other soul groups did as well. I'm only 17, I have been so slack these last months, and i feel like its all caught up to me.. But still I've come so far. To a new beginning everyone!

I completely agree with your post. Pleased to meet you!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I can only speak from my experience regarding the question at hand but I DO see people waking up to the deceptions, distractions, and destructions going on in the world. I too am in my early 20’s. For me, “waking up” is a lifelong journey but it would not have been the same had I not met individuals along the way who were willing to share their wisdom with me. I sat, recently, at a friend’s house with three other people at a table and we all shared what we had been experiencing or hypothesized, or knew factually. This helps A LOT because together we were all able to make connections based off where we were all at. I’ve learned that EVERYONE has something they can teach us ☺ These specific individuals had over 10 years each of researching all this stuff and I seemed to be a lot like the newborn child opening his eyes lol. But it’s important to note that each of these individuals didn’t just spit out “what they knew to me” like “hey kid this is the way it is… now accept it and move on.” Not at all. We would converse and they would show me where they learned the information... And then would leave me at peace to find my own way afterward.

Selkie, you said to give others time to find out for themselves. I strongly disagree. We need to come together.

There is an enormous amount of bull**** out there and it becomes ever more increasingly difficult to figure out what’s true and what isn’t. Well that’s where the older generation can help my generation out. There are a multitude of individuals here on Avalon who freely speak of the knowledge they have obtained. This is fantastic, but it’s also a lot easier sharing our truth through a computer screen. Anonymity can be a double-edged sword. But I do wonder how many share these things with individuals in their daily lives. (Not saying some don’t I just believe it would be powerful for all to do so). Yes, this forum is incredible and I have grown a lot through attempting to see the world through all of your different perspectives.

Which is why I am pleading with you all in lue of this! Teach those around you what you may know in a setting beyond the screen. Plant seeds wherever you go! Some may fall upon the thorns or be picked up by the birds of the air… but some may hit the ground and begin to sprout roots and flourish.

We are all teachers... But a good teacher is merely a catalyst for change. Never a forceful giver of truth but rather a guide… a pointer to truth that each student must find for himself.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I was told a great story about a man who held a glass vial around his neck. He pulled it out to show someone and took off the top of the vial. “Inside”, he said… “Is a mustard seed… one of the smallest yet mightiest seeds in the world!” And then he grabbed the seed, put it back in his vial, and hung it once gain around his neck.

What’s the use of this knowledge if you don’t use it to help others who were once like you when you woke up to the deceptions, distractions, and destructions ever present in our world? Remember how you felt when you realized most of what you thought was real was actually deception?
This is a forum filled with an immense amount of wisdom. Please continue to share it with my generation! Don’t lose hope because I promise there are many young’ins like myself who have been blessed by those older with much more experience. You just may be the individual who helped a seed flourish and grow who happened to cross my path and did the same for me. So if you have made a living in sowing seeds. Thank you!!! It is because of people like you that my generation is beginning to wake up and hopefully if enough of us do awaken we can leave this world in a better place by the time we are no longer the young’ins

I don't like "helping" and I don't like "helpers", and I am not going to go around trying to "wake people up", or try to make them "see" that there is something wrong with them, or how they live, or what they think. Should I go around proselytizing in order that we may "come together" (whatever that means) like some New Age Jehovah's Witnesses? Ugh! New Age Fundamentalism I'd rather convert to the Jehovah's Witnesses

Like it or not, people have a right to what they believe, and a right to how they live, and they have the right to live in peace without being prevailed upon to change to anyone's idea of what is right, no matter how convinced the other is of the rightness of THEIR own beliefs or way of life.

This!!! So much this!! I don't like even using the word help, I try to use assist instead but regardless. No one wants helps if they aren't asking for it.

Seriously guys, think about it, are we really that ignorant to think that by telling everyone we know there are false flags everywhere, alien false flags, Zionist agendas, a galactic federation out there and illuminati d-bags out to kill us will turn the American people around? No we have to let it happen organically, people are starting to see how bad a job the people in charge are doing, what our kids are being exposed to and how many lies are being told. Id like to be there for them when they do get the big picture! Work it out and make some game plans for what may come. I'm not going to and never will shove my ideas or thoughts down someone's throat.

If this news in the op is true I can't see one good reason to be critical ...these numbers In The op tell me something's been getting done right.

Yes. When you go around trying to ram information that people do not want down their throats, it only hardens them against it, and I don't blame them. To "teach" them and "help" them when they don't want it and have not asked for it is arrogant beyond belief.

[Bubu]

"I'm not going to and never will shove my ideas or thoughts down someone's throat."

Im not shoving my ideas down anyones throat. Simply telling the truth in a normal conversation helps a lot in making other people realize what really is happening. My awakening started when a friend simply shared a link. Although from my early childhood I can feel that something isnt right. This friend pointed me to what is not right. More and more people are now feeling that something is not right especially the younger ones. One slight nudge and its done no need to shove. When someone is not yet ready you cant wake em up no matter what you do.

[danegeroussacredgeometry]

Posted by Selkie (here)
I don't like "helping" and I don't like "helpers", and I am not going to go around trying to "wake people up", or try to make them "see" that there is something wrong with them, or how they live, or what they think. Should I go around proselytizing in order that we may "come together" (whatever that means) like some New Age Jehovah's Witnesses? Ugh! New Age Fundamentalism I'd rather convert to the Jehovah's Witnesses

Like it or not, people have a right to what they believe, and a right to how they live, and they have the right to live in peace without being prevailed upon to change to anyone's idea of what is right, no matter how convinced the other is of the rightness of THEIR own beliefs or way of life.

Selkie, I am confused as to why you twisted my words into stating my response as being similar to a New Age Fundamentalist or Jehovah's Witness? I said, "We are all teachers... But a good teacher is merely a catalyst for change. Never a FORCEFUL giver of truth but rather a guide… a pointer to truth that each student must find for himself." Is this where you felt like I was proselytizing?
When did I give you the impression that any of this should be forced?


My intent (and apparently I was not clear enough) was that we need to be honest with others about what we know so we can all learn from each other. That was the bottom line. So I used the word help... I agree that assist is a more proper word I should have used. Presentation is everything. Thank you for the correction Saint Theresa But isn't that the point of Avalon? Otherwise, what is the point of sharing the information we know? What is the point of you being here if you do not want to "assist" others or have others "assist" you in your personal pursuit of truth?

[Selkie]

Posted by danegeroussacredgeometry (here)

Posted by Selkie (here)
I don't like "helping" and I don't like "helpers", and I am not going to go around trying to "wake people up", or try to make them "see" that there is something wrong with them, or how they live, or what they think. Should I go around proselytizing in order that we may "come together" (whatever that means) like some New Age Jehovah's Witnesses? Ugh! New Age Fundamentalism I'd rather convert to the Jehovah's Witnesses

Like it or not, people have a right to what they believe, and a right to how they live, and they have the right to live in peace without being prevailed upon to change to anyone's idea of what is right, no matter how convinced the other is of the rightness of THEIR own beliefs or way of life.

Selkie, I am confused as to why you twisted my words into stating my response as being similar to a New Age Fundamentalist or Jehovah's Witness? I said, "We are all teachers... But a good teacher is merely a catalyst for change. Never a FORCEFUL giver of truth but rather a guide… a pointer to truth that each student must find for himself." Is this where you felt like I was proselytizing?
When did I give you the impression that any of this should be forced?


My intent (and apparently I was not clear enough) was that we need to be honest with others about what we know so we can all learn from each other. That was the bottom line. So I used the word help... I agree that assist is a more proper word I should have used. Presentation is everything. Thank you for the correction Saint Theresa But isn't that the point of Avalon? Otherwise, what is the point of sharing the information we know? What is the point of you being here if you do not want to "assist" others or have others "assist" you in your personal pursuit of truth?

Quote Dangeroussacredgeometry: "What’s the use of this knowledge if you don’t use it to help others who were once like you when you woke up to the deceptions, distractions, and destructions ever present in our world?[/I]"

I don't think I twisted your words.

[danegeroussacredgeometry]

Yeah, but where did I say I was forcing it down other's throats? The comment you took from me sounds great for your argument when taken out of context. I didn't mean for it to be directed at those whom weren't looking for it or asking for it nor did I EVER say that. I never said to teach or help when it wasn't asked for. I'm sorry I apparently wasn't clear but you have clearly twisted my original intent.

I just start to wonder based off what you have said... What then is the point of having these conversations? I stated my opinion. That’s all it is Your words were “Like it or not, people have a right to what they believe, and a right to how they live, and they have the right to live in peace without being prevailed upon to change to anyone's idea of what is right, no matter how convinced the other is of the rightness of THEIR own beliefs or way of life.” Well that being said why does it seem that you are bashing me for what is simply an OPINION. Are you attempting to correct me? To “teach” me the errors of my ways? If you truly believed we shouldn’t be assisting others then why share our opinion at all?

Posted by Selkie (here)
Anyone interested in the power of language really ought to read The Structure of Magic by Bandler and Grinder,

http://www.amazon.com/Structure-Magi...cture+of+magic

http://www.amazon.com/Structure-Magi...cture+of+magic

I haven't read volume II, just to let you know.

Beware of naguals "providing syntax".

Would you call this helping, assisting, etc? What is the point in sharing when it is not to help or assist another? What word in the conscious language would you suggest? And is a suggestion trying to help or assist because I asked for it?

I know this may seem like I'm splitting hairs, but really?

[Ted]

Thank you all for such a lively discussion.

I agree that you can only help those who ask for it, or are receptive to new ideas. If I am in a conversation and someone expresses an opinion, which is obviously regurgitated propaganda, I try not to outright disagree with them (which would be perceived as a direct challenge), but rather plant a small seed of doubt. That way they can save face and do some further research later if they so desire. If they're not open to the idea, no matter what facts I present, or insistence on my part, will ever change their mind.
We are each equally responsible for the world we collectively live in. Because someone is lazy and chooses not to think doesn't give anyone else the right to try and force them to "wake up". Waking up is an individual right.
That said, people are still waking up to the sham that passes for a representative government a lot faster than I thought. Hopefully, at some point in the near future, that graph will start to rise exponentially.

[Shannon]

Posted by danegeroussacredgeometry (here)
Yeah, but where did I say I was forcing it down other's throats? The comment you took from me sounds great for your argument when taken out of context. I didn't mean for it to be directed at those whom weren't looking for it or asking for it nor did I EVER say that. I never said to teach or help when it wasn't asked for. I'm sorry I apparently wasn't clear but you have clearly twisted my original intent.

I just start to wonder based off what you have said... What then is the point of having these conversations? I stated my opinion. That’s all it is Your words were “Like it or not, people have a right to what they believe, and a right to how they live, and they have the right to live in peace without being prevailed upon to change to anyone's idea of what is right, no matter how convinced the other is of the rightness of THEIR own beliefs or way of life.” Well that being said why does it seem that you are bashing me for what is simply an OPINION. Are you attempting to correct me? To “teach” me the errors of my ways? If you truly believed we shouldn’t be assisting others then why share our opinion at all?

Posted by Selkie (here)
Anyone interested in the power of language really ought to read The Structure of Magic by Bandler and Grinder,

http://www.amazon.com/Structure-Magi...cture+of+magic

http://www.amazon.com/Structure-Magi...cture+of+magic

I haven't read volume II, just to let you know.

Beware of naguals "providing syntax".

Would you call this helping, assisting, etc? What is the point in sharing when it is not to help or assist another? What word in the conscious language would you suggest? And is a suggestion trying to help or assist because I asked for it?

I know this may seem like I'm splitting hairs, but really?

Well this the choir so to speak. When I say I'm not going to help I'm not talking about sharing my knowledge here at pa or with someone who is open to it. We can all mention and suggest links that's fine. But I think us finding a smart way to present our knowledge to the public would be better than say, knocking on doors and giving each dwelling owner a speech about what we know.

[3(C)+me]

We should have a section just for waking up topic cuz it comes around every 6 months or so in different incarnations because this topic apparently is on people's minds. What to do with the sleepers and how to help them.
Generally it is a good thing to wake up but it is not all good, you will leave one set of problems for another set of let's say challenges. These challenges are not easy because it is murky out there with a lot of the three letter agencies putting out disinfo to get everybody exhausted and confused. The terrain is often bumpy.
People need to want to know the truth, like it is in the DNA and it drives them. Because once you have to know what the hell is really going you are going to have some dark night of the soul times and will not all be love and light. Some people I don't think actually want to wake up, they are here to sleep through the whole thing and stay with their masters, but I think this group is small cuz why would people incarnate at this time just to sleep through it when you can fly to the heavens without a chip under your skin.

But let's face it we live in dangerous times and also wonderful times, everyday I am thankful to be here during the big show but I am in a nice comfy spot and some others are not, they are stuck, blocked, they are not sure how to get out the hole they are in. Addictions are off the charts. They refuse to look at themselves and heal their traumas and pain, and you can't get them to do that. I have many friends in this spot and at some point you have to ask yourself is it hurting me to support and enable them cuz they are not going to let go of their addictions, they believe it is the only thing that they can hang onto to keep them sane. I think the best thing to do is be clear about yourself and what you are available for and if you are at peace that will effect others. It does not have to be about telling them things or sending them a link, but sometimes it will actually go that way.

I say nothing unless they ask me or bring up a subject then I will tell them what I think, I will be honest but if that doesn't happen I know my presence does a lot and remember we are all psychic and are in communication with each other and no words have to be expressed. Not one.
I would not be a bit surprised if we have an Avalon lounge in the dream state that we go to from time to time and compare notes.

[Selkie]

Posted by danegeroussacredgeometry (here)
Yeah, but where did I say I was forcing it down other's throats?

Um...

Posted by danegeroussacredgeometry (here)
"Selkie, you said to give others time to find out for themselves. I strongly disagree."

(my emphasis)

Posted by danegeroussacredgeometry (here)

Posted by Selkie (here)
Anyone interested in the power of language really ought to read The Structure of Magic by Bandler and Grinder,

http://www.amazon.com/Structure-Magi...cture+of+magic

http://www.amazon.com/Structure-Magi...cture+of+magic

I haven't read volume II, just to let you know.

Beware of naguals "providing syntax".

Would you call this helping, assisting, etc? What is the point in sharing when it is not to help or assist another? What word in the conscious language would you suggest? And is a suggestion trying to help or assist because I asked for it?

I know this may seem like I'm splitting hairs, but really?

You are not splitting hairs so much as not remembering that this is PA, where opinions and knowlege such as I have expressed and shared are welcome. That is quite a different thing than feeling that this knowledge is useless unless one is a "teacher" "helping" others,

Posted by danegeroussacredgeometry (here)
What’s the use of this knowledge if you don’t use it to help others who were once like you when you woke up to the deceptions, distractions, and destructions ever present in our world?

Maybe many others are happy with their world. Who is anyone to say that they should not be, or look down upon them for it if they are?

[ghostrider]

As we have entered the age of knowledge, time will continue to speed up, the revolutionary rays of the central sun work their magic on us, as we are between spiral arms moving towards the constellation Hercules... We get unobstructed rays of change, they say will reach an apex in 2025, until then , the changing of the human psyche will continue...in the words of BTO , you ain't seen nothing yet...

[skyflower]

I finished watching season 2 of the "Blacklist" on netflix, and I was surprised to see the workings of the "cabal" explained so plainly in a mainstream drama.
Yes, people are waking up and it is good to see the mass media helping along, regardless of their original intentions.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xMHJ8d3o-aI

[foreverfan]

49% proves one thing.... 51% of the population is either too young to know better or too old to remember.

[chimpsky]

The first question I get from people waking up to the NWO-agenda is "What can I do?".

Honestly I don't know what to answer other than

* "try to be aware of what's going on and keep track of events".
* "educate yourself on the subject"
...and so forth

But what immediate actions can be taken. What are your suggestions to people? Of course I'm not suggesting violence.