Anomalies in The Ruiner's material

[araucaria]

Posted by giovonni (here)
When I was a younger man, risk taken was my forte ...

And one great risk I took (and don't regret) is letting go of my religion ...

Still many the risk Ive taken (bite hard back) and left of me many lessons in scars ...

As I've grown older, risk taking ain't what it use to be ... giggle

You take risks, but it is like a wager where you can influence the outcome, by surviving the moment of danger. When I earlier quoted Chesterton saying “All human vows, laws, and contracts are so many ways of surviving with success this breaking point, this instant of potential surrender”, it was with the idea that all our major enterprises are about taking a risk and putting in the effort to make it work out. You reap the rewards only after taking the plunge and making the effort, which demands a degree of self-belief, which is more to do with trust than with gullibility. Nothing is achievable without that moment of belief to take you past the danger point.

[giovonni]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by giovonni (here)
When I was a younger man, risk taken was my forte ...

And one great risk I took (and don't regret) is letting go of my religion ...

Still many the risk Ive taken (bite hard back) and left of me many lessons in scars ...

As I've grown older, risk taking ain't what it use to be ... giggle

You take risks, but it is like a wager where you can influence the outcome, by surviving the moment of danger. When I earlier quoted Chesterton saying “All human vows, laws, and contracts are so many ways of surviving with success this breaking point, this instant of potential surrender”, it was with the idea that all our major enterprises are about taking a risk and putting in the effort to make it work out. You reap the rewards only after taking the plunge and making the effort, which demands a degree of self-belief, which is more to do with trust than with gullibility. Nothing is achievable without that moment of belief to take you past the danger point.

Well i will say the world would be at a lost without critical thinking/writers such as yourself ...

Your words do inspire critical thought, while prompting a genuine (no risk) belief in oneself.

Carry on Brother !

[3(C)+me]

Posted by workingactor (here)
I'd say, everyone should look at yourself, your skillset, and ask yourself..what are you willing to do? what are you willing to risk?

art can change the world. Music can change the world. It can inspire revolution. WE should inspire revolution, with whatever is in our personal toolbox.

Do you want to incarnate here 500 years from now, and see the same damn thing going on? Or do you want to strike now? break down the control now?

we're not helpless. We're too powerful for helplessness.

GO.

Yes, art and an artist can inspire a revolution and if they do they get taken out.
Bob Marley, John Lennon, sitting in bed with his old lady talking about peace with a bunch of camera's going off and doing interviews and inspiring others, he got taken out. He couldn't be controlled and he went rogue, can't have that. So how much risk do you think is enough?
If you get your film done and it gets attention, you are going to attract attention and it is not going to be the warm and fuzzy kind.
John Lennon would not be able to happen now. If a John Lennon showed up now he would get no press in the MSM, if his music became popular the MSM would paint him out to be some wacko or print details on his weird sex life. Or they would make him an offer that would be hard to refuse.

They would say look over here and listen to this, I don't even have to give you the names you know who I am talking about.
So if you want to bring down a system and you want your films and art to be a part of it that then expect to get some greetings from certain three letter agencies cuz you are going to be on a few of their lists, and if you know that then when sh%t happens you will not be surprised.

[Sean]

*Shrug So what if I do get taken out?

If what I create has such an effect that it makes "them" want to kill me, I've done what I came here to do.

You can kill a body, but you can't kill a soul. You can suppress art, but you can't destroy that either. Artistic creations are energy, collected and re-formed into various modalities(art, music, interpretive arts like acting etc). energy, AFAIK, cannot be created or destroyed.

Hmph. I'll be more concerned if they DON'T try to whack me.

It means I'm not trying hard enough.

[onawah]

Many thanks to Araucaria for the numerous thought-provoking posts, particularly in this thread.
He always gives us food for thought, but lately it's been positively gourmet!

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by workingactor (here)
*Shrug So what if I do get taken out?

If what I create has such an effect that it makes "them" want to kill me, I've done what I came here to do.

You can kill a body, but you can't kill a soul. You can suppress art, but you can't destroy that either. Artistic creations are energy, collected and re-formed into various modalities(art, music, interpretive arts like acting etc). energy, AFAIK, cannot be created or destroyed.

Hmph. I'll be more concerned if they DON'T try to whack me.

It means I'm not trying hard enough.

I hope you end up making a movie, I'll pay to go see it. Awesome attitude.

[onawah]

Lily Earthling gives a great overview of her perspective on what the Ruiner's and other's agendas are all about, which she thinks is a mind program about disconnecting us from ourselves, our planet, our Sun.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CmXaY8EEHIQ

(She comments on the Ruiner starting at around 6:45.)

The more I see on this subject, the more I agree with her.
More of this false agenda also now coming from a channeler whose info I used to find of value:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...o-about-Saturn

I had a hard time at first conceptualizing what Lily means about the energy coming not from any external source, but from within the planet.
How I've come to see this now is that the new energy is actually coming from within everything, and the only thing that had to change in order for me to understand was just to let go of the concept of inner versus outer.
That was the only thing standing in the way of my understanding, which was still seeing things from the perspective of duality.
(And that kind of difficulty is one that arises from what she calls the cancer of consciousness, stemming from the false program/agenda.)

The basic message is that the energy we need to tune into, that of earth and Nature, is so gentle that we don't have to reprogram ourselves to experience it, or think about anything to understand it, it just is, and all we have to do is to BE in it and let it fill us.

I couldn't agree more.

When a neighbor invited me awhile ago to join a group that she is facilitating I declined, saying that what I need to do more than anything else is spend time alone down in the woods.
She asked me what I do down there that I was finding so helpful, and I said, simply, "NOTHING!" and smiled...

I think she got it...

[Daozen]

Posted by cccme (here)
So if you want to bring down a system and you want your films and art to be a part of it that then expect to get some greetings from certain three letter agencies cuz you are going to be on a few of their lists, and if you know that then when sh%t happens you will not be surprised.

You really think they are going to run around SWAT teaming everyone who makes a truth movie or writes a peace song? Check the internet, it's flooded with people speaking the truth. A very, very, very small minority run into trouble.

[araucaria]

Posted by Daozen (here)

Posted by cccme (here)
So if you want to bring down a system and you want your films and art to be a part of it that then expect to get some greetings from certain three letter agencies cuz you are going to be on a few of their lists, and if you know that then when sh%t happens you will not be surprised.

You really think they are going to run around SWAT teaming everyone who makes a truth movie or writes a peace song? Check the internet, it's flooded with people speaking the truth. A very, very, very small minority run into trouble.

The secret of paranoia is that it is an endless self-feeding spiral. First it’s “they’re out to get me”, then “it’s not because I’m paranoid that they’re not out to get me”. Then it’s “I may be paranoid about my paranoia, but they’re still out to get me because I’m posting stuff”.

Let’s unravel the whole thing. Certainly, “they” have been “out” and “got” a few (many) people, possibly to shut them up, but also with the aim or the effect – maybe it doesn’t matter which – of creating paranoia. If you don’t like what they are doing, then you keep your calm and say, then “it’s because I’m not paranoid that they’re not out to get me”. Then you can do your thing. Actually, the people who were taken out were not themselves paranoid; if they had been, they would not have been able to do the things that got them in trouble in the first place. Knowing there is a risk involved can be empowering; you have limited time – true anyway – and working to a deadline concentrates the mind like nothing else. Paranoia on the other hand has a paralyzing effect: zero risk-taking and nothing gets done. As I was saying yesterday, you have to take risks to achieve anything. You won’t even win a close game of tennis without hitting the ball quicker and harder and closer to the lines than if you stayed in your comfort zone. There comes a stage when you have to “let it rip” – where “it” refers to the force outside of and beyond oneself, whether one calls it nature, God, spirit or whatever. Then you discover that all you risked losing was Onawah’s “NOTHING”.

Posted by onawah (here)
The basic message is that the energy we need to tune into, that of earth and Nature, is so gentle that we don't have to reprogram ourselves to experience it, or think about anything to understand it, it just is, and all we have to do is to BE in it and let it fill us.

I couldn't agree more.

When a neighbor invited me awhile ago to join a group that she is facilitating I declined, saying that what I need to do more than anything else is spend time alone down in the woods.
She asked me what I do down there that I was finding so helpful, and I said, simply, "NOTHING!" and smiled...

I think she got it...

Since the risk one wants to avoid is the risk of dying, paranoia is the fear of death. That is not a risk, it is a certainty, so if you can’t take that risk/face that certainty, what are you doing here? Dying per se is not the issue: it is how you die. Life is one long preparation for doing it right, i.e. “do or die”: everything you undertake becomes a death experience. There is nothing morbid about this when you see death as a doorway to something else. What we saw as life-threatening becomes life-enhancing. This side of risk-taking is where danger lies; on the other side is pure exhilaration. So ultimately, risk is just another of those wrong-thinking notions.

[Carmody]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Interesting article: when it comes to why we believe, it speaks only for the religious believer. The rational believer/disbeliever has his own rational reasons: I believe I can’t walk through walls, because to date I have come to grief every time I have tried to pass through so much as a door without first opening it. Someone tells me I can walk through walls? Fine, just show me, without taking the skin off my nose.

Posted by giovonni (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by giovonni (here)
i like this ...

To Believe or Not to Believe that is the question ?

Another question, which is not addressed very often.
"what kind of person do you become as a result of your accepted beliefs?"
Because the options are endless once fear-based beliefs have been dumped.

Ah ...

That's up the individual ...

But what's most important for me, is allowing others to decide for themselves ...

Working it all out is what life's all about.

The linked article gives the example of the rational believer who believes the earth is flat, because he is always vertical when walking around. This is a handy parochial view that overlooks the fact that there would have to be a place where you might fall off; but it is always somewhere else. Another rational believer might believe the earth is round because he has been everywhere and never fallen off. Both are valid working hypotheses; what is different is your scope for action. If you are happy to live in your present box, you can afford to have beliefs that are carved in stone. If you see room and a need to expand your horizons, you need a more flexible belief system, and you may come a cropper because of that. But then you take a risk every time you cross the road. You even take a risk just staying alone at home with no one to check whether you’ve had a heart attack. So if you can’t take a risk, what on earth are you doing here?

“How did we begin to (religiously) believe in what we couldn’t see?” The first rational believer might have started out quite simply by seeing someone get eaten by a lion approaching from behind, or for that matter struck by lightning. No one ever survived long who thought they had all bases covered.

Then we go one step further back, into the re-programming of the mind as limit. To change framing and frame limits.

What we find is that there is an internal barrier of awareness. Awareness that our mistaken ideas and outward expressions on consciousness, are wrongheaded. Literally wrongheaded. Ie, wrong part of head, not in charge. Likened to Mistaking the mouth as the seat of the voice of a human. Mistaking the point where the water pours forth from the ground as the source.

The passive frame reporting system and the echos it receives back for interpretation, all as a set, being mistaken for the internal driver. You can't repair or alter or understand a water source if you only think of the end of the hose as being the source. No exploration will be functional in such a premise or situation. If you put a camera up at the mouth of the hose, the pairing would be a good descriptive of the human mind. Input and output. But, not source, nor destination...not in the slightest would they be conceivable as either.

http://singularityhub.com/2015/08/02...s-think-again/

Changing one's capacity in worldview, is all about reprogramming one's mind. Allowing the ego or passive frame reporting and echo system to think and be in charge AS the inner self (voice in head, etc), is indeed the problem. We individually face it and deal with it in each and every second of this life. Enlightenment begins in the attempts to stop or halt the voice in the head.

Feeling or noting it's 'pre-voice' formation in deeper emergent murmurs, pre-vocalizations forming into words, that is closer to the source point of the voice in the head. Learn to control the avatar so it does not control the expression of 'you', is the essential point.

back to that quote:

"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." -- Albert Einstein

Godel's incompleteness theorem, in the realm of human life. Fundamentally, the subset can never reach it's fullness of complexity or finality or 'solved complex problem' until the superset larger than it.... is on the same table.

No question can be fully solved by it's self. The universe cannot solve, or, in full knowledge express itself, it requires a superset universe in order to do so.

Completeness cannot understand itself, only a larger set can do that.

IF..completeness is the desire and direction... then.... expansion is the requirement in and of the fundamental.

No end will be reached, ever, just a new plateau from whence a rear view can be assembled. You climb the mountain and you look back at the vista.

If you've got a problem you can't solve, then the question forming data is wrong and/or incomplete, or... the frame is incorrect. Or the frame is incomplete. In the biggest questions, the frame would be...you. Are you incomplete, not complete enough to frame or understand the question?

Conclusion: Ultimate Finality within the scope of limits, limits we all have....requires self lies. (this is why real science says that there are no facts barring one: there are no facts. Thus, paradox is the root and emergent point in and of actual science. Real science attempting to describe reality has hit on it convulsively, but those who seek finality for you and try to exist as a controlling superset, will say otherwise)

Now, let us review and consider that internal voice ego thing, on more time....

To live as as an inconclusive meandering, circling around the same known components...refusing to see or understand the requisite direction to find the superset that solves the problem that is on the table.

As the Buddhists understand, fix yourself before attempting to fix the world, or disaster will be the result. A bigger mess built out of more of the same.

[onawah]

So, the minute that you think you've "got it", that's when you've lost it.

[araucaria]

Posted by onawah (here)
So, the minute that you think you've "got it", that's when you've lost it.

You might say, you’ve got something, but you’ve moved on in the process. That is its own reward. You don’t have to be a whistle-blower to see how it works negatively. Here are two other examples of how it affects people and how it affects the “treasures” they have to share.

Here in France, we have a philosopher called Michel Onfray, who launched the laudable initiative of what he called the People’s University, where he would philosophize in lectures and seminar situations not normally available to ordinary people. Then he got roped into the media circus of talk shows and interviews, and things went rather pear-shaped.

Or take the travel journalist who described to his nationwide audience this little known and unspoilt beauty spot well worth a visit. By the time his readers had finished, it was of course none of those things.

So what do you do? You keep your head down. The anonymous poster style is one useful tool that both Corey and Shane threw away, whether for their Warholian “fifteen minutes of fame” (often more like fifteen seconds these days or for some other reason matters little; either way it was a mistake. And your treasure is of a different kind that cannot be passed on or stolen. Here is a fable by Jean de la Fontaine.

THE HUSBANDMAN AND HIS SONS (V, 9)

Work hard, nor trouble spare, nor toil,
Labour’s more plentiful than soil.

A wealthy farmer, feeling death draw nigh,
Called round his children, and, no witness by,
“ Beware,” he said, “ of selling the estate
Our fathers left us, purchased with their sweat ;
For hidden treasure’s there.
The spot I know not ; but with zeal and care
You'll find it out, and make it yours at last.
Plough up the ground as soon as autumn's past,
And dig and delve—nor grudge the daily pain ;
And when you’ve toiled, return and toil again.”
He died.—The sons turned up the field ;
Incessant was their toil, and when the year
Was ended, large the produce it did yield,
Though ne’er a hidden treasure did appear.

Wise was the father, ere he died, to show
That labour is the mine whence riches flow.
http://www.la-fontaine-ch-thierry.ne...bandphysic.htm

[ThoughtOnFire]

At the very bottom of The Ruiner's Blog

About Me
The Ruiner
De-Occultist -- A work of fiction and part of a creative writing project. The author is not responsible for what readers choose to believe. This is not Disclosure or a source of Official Information.

[ThoughtOnFire]

"My goal is not to be believed."
John Titor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/scie...clear-war.html

[Jhonie]

I popped over to the blog and this was there. Below that are the words, "But I love you."

Reminds me of the family member who would beat me then pick me up by the throat, look me in the eyes and say, "I love you, I really love you".

Ha! What a mind fkr! All I can say is, "Glad I am not you Shane, very glad."

[Mike]

Posted by ThoughtOnFire (here)
At the very bottom of The Ruiner's Blog

About Me
The Ruiner
De-Occultist -- A work of fiction and part of a creative writing project. The author is not responsible for what readers choose to believe. This is not Disclosure or a source of Official Information.

How obnoxious!

Thats like murdering someone and showing up at the funeral to remind the family members that you can't be responsible for their grief (but.youre real polite about it)

This is the type of guy who will cut you off in traffic and then give >you< the finger!

What a f'ing idiot.

I'm.fully aware of how obnoxious this is, (to say you called it) but I called it. I knew the kid would play coy for a while and then emerge as the reluctant hero type. Although I have to admit, I never thought he'd go on what amounted to a mini speaking tour! He'd likely still be doing it now if Bill hadnt called him out on it...

Glad this one is over

[Gemma13]

As radical as it may sound what I would love to see is the disclaimer that "this is all fiction" labeled on "Everything" in our cultures; Religion, Science, Government, Education, etc. "Everything" with which we are culturally indoctrinated with from birth - after all "Everything" is simply created by "someone/thing" else - and we don't even have to trace back to the roots of the information to consciously recognize this! We have so much proof of "truth" being fiction ~ science is constantly bringing this wonderful testimony to the table; whether it is cosmically, environmentally, spiritually, biologically, etc - we always have the "anomaly" that debunks proof of fact and claimed truth. (And it is wonderful, to me anyway, for who really wants to have concretized proof of the limitations of most of the "truths" out there anyway!)

This global realization would eliminate censorship, dismissal, and ridiculous debates, providing the opportunity for all information to be tabled and neutrally observed. Subsequently this would enable a greater platform of individual, (and group), empowerment and responsibility for choosing to extract and utilize "pieces" of information within our locale; irrespective of their source and devoid of the judgmental emotional stress triggers over the mirage of validity.
(How many of us have sometimes found more sanity in a few words from labeled "crazies" than within an entire room full of politicians at a legislative assembly flapping their gums for a year!)

The Search for Truth, in my opinion, needs to be debunked so that what was can be unanimously known to be fluid, malleable, imaginative, not set in stone or bone, and therefore not concrete immutable information sets that have to be used as prerequisites for now, or for what can yet be.

"Everything" is just information - it is not truth - and yet we universally abuse and kill each other ceaselessly in cycles of futile repetition in our attempts to judge and defend one version of truth over another's.
Truth is not information. It cannot be found, caught, and embalmed. It is felt and experienced outside of information, yet is paradoxically within all information. It is recognizable in "living choices" within an infinite sea of information.

"An expert is someone who knows everything that was; he's really good at what was and if you ask him about what will be, he says no, no, that can't be done because I'm an expert on what was."
Manoj Bhargava

I now force myself to look at all information without judgment by superimposing the disclaimer that it is fiction, no matter where it arises: the history and science being taught to my children at school and university; the local newspaper my father reads; the mythology that I read; the films and plays I watch with family and friends; social media info; the ants in my garden; black projects; my local community structures; the stars in the sky; the reasoning from governments, monarchies, and corporate ventures that poverty, disease, and war are necessary and inevitable consequences for evolution; transhumanist agendas; Everything! From this platform I am then able to apply a neutral understanding of the information in front of me. I then extract from all this tangible information what I choose that defines a living truth of equality and expansion by harmonious integration, rather than separation that results in devastating consequences. I then focus my imagination, my behaviours, my tangible and perspective fiction on this and I rigorously practice breathing and creating this as my "living truth" daily to the best of my abilities.

For I eventually came to a realization that claiming, packaging, and then disseminating information as a truth, any truth in any arena of information, rather than just allowing it to be what it is ~ information ~ is the biggest "controlling" con of all.

So just what would our conversations be like, and what could productively come from them, if we could shift our perspective toward debunking the priority need to find, or be the holder of, a "truth serum" and simply embrace the sharing of information?

Cheers
Gemma

[Mike]

Well said Gemma.

I reckon half the forum, at least, is fiction. not deliberately, mind you...

Regarding Shane, (and.fiction)..i didnt know about his claims of being "anu's son" or Putin's supernatural advisor till the very end. Was I the only one??? I mean, if that doesnt set off alarms at the base of your skull, nothing will.

I think it's important to draw a line, however arbitrary, and sort of say to yourself "the buck stops here"....I wont believe or even pretend to believe, or invest any energy in, say, a guy who claims he was anu's favorite son and a right hand man - when he was still in diapers - to Putin. I think its important to say to oneself "I will no longer entertain notions of x,y, and z unless there is some verifiable reason to do so. Some evidence. I think its the only sane way to proceed, as individuals and as a forum.

Sports gamblers, for example, enter the weekend with a plan (I will only bet 50 bucks a game, and i will quit when im either up 200 or down 200). When approaching a long shot, whether it be gambling or a guy who claims to talk telepathically to ancient giants, one must have a plan that involves boundries and discipline....a plan that says "I will not.take one step further unless I have something..some morsel of evidence to suggest I continue.." without this discipline, anything and everything goes and we, as individuals and as a forum, are formless and reckless and without any sort of intellectual or emotional integrity. We're just blowing in the wind. In other words,.we're entertaining fiction, and the blame n shame should be placed just as much on us as it is a clown like Shane.

In the famous words of bush junior "fool me once...shame on.....fool me...we, we cant get fooled again"

[Jhonie]

I do not recall him saying it was fiction in the interviews.... I bet he got a laugh out of it all. Live and learn. Life is a real experience eh? Although I don't think Kerry was buying it.

[PurpleLama]

Saying it's all fiction may be truth in advertising, or it might be designed to lend it credibility in our conspiratorial minds as it also gives plausible deniability.

Now, for a musical interlude:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IBeb-eM8fKo