Cobra and Corey credibility question

[Mike]

Posted by quiltinggrandma (here)
Mike,i agree.But i ask myself what DW would do if halfway through,he found out corey was full of it?

Boy, good question.

He's so heavily.invested at this point...if he does suspect fraud, he's likely thinking of a dignified way to back out of this. However, many people in his position don't see that way out, so instead of eating a little crow, they plow forward ..defending the original narrative in a hopeless attempt at saving face...not realizing that theyre just digging themselves a bigger hole.

Theres no shame in getting it wrong! Especially in this business of alt media. Half the time youre grasping at shadows. Youll never be entirely certain, so a certain "leap of faith" is required. And beyond that, it takes courage to present your leap of faith to a community with an.endorsement attatched. That takes some guts, and I respect that..

But it takes even more courage to admit you'd been had...and I dont.think Wilcock's ego will allow him to make that admission. I mean, this has been a circus sideshow for some time now, and from what I understand the guy is still sticking to his guns

[araucaria]

Posted by Mike (here)
There are quite a few Corey threads here. And they go on interminably. Your hair will either fall out completely or at least go grey before you finish reading it all. And then you can graduate to the Shane.material. Or you can save yourself a ton of time and just take my word for it: it's all bullsh!t.

Well, I don’t disagree, Mike, but this reminds me of the student who heard that So-and-so had been debunked and so was pleased to have another author they didn’t need to read. You may graduate after this process, but what do you have in your head, I wonder? Since you are only ever going to read stuff that you can pick holes in, do you just stop reading altogether?

Take philosophy. If you read A History of Western Philosophy by Bertrand Russell, who was a scientist, not a philosopher, he debunks to a greater or lesser degree every philosopher that ever was. You then have a choice between two courses of action. You can either reject the entire field of philosophy, defined as “the study of the nature of knowledge and existence and the principles of moral and aesthetic value”. Or you can accept both sides of William James’s description of the subject: “at once the most sublime and the most trivial of human pursuits”, and set about debunking Bertrand Russell.

[Morbid]

imho we have to be equally suspecious to those that give us info as well as to those that shout that its fake. go figure..

[FinallyNow]

IMHO. He (Corey) lost credibility with me on the first and only interview I listened to. It was the first that he gave after coming out I believe. He was asked something of the nature of what to do against various negatives and when he got to Reptilians he just laughed and said "good luck." That was after giving ok answers to a few other scenarios. That answer, well, he knew something right? He didn't want to say. That actually may not be a good reason. I may have stockholm syndrome but the issue is with any being that chooses to hurt seen or unseen humans included.

[PurpleLama]

For some of us, Corey lost all credibility long before he came out of the whistleblower closet. He got mad at TargeT and donk one day, and started a thread about psychopathic, narcissistic trolls, and then proceeded to display every single behavior he ascribed to the psychopathic, narcissistic trolls. His stint at Avalon was little more than a data mining operation.

[Mike]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
There are quite a few Corey threads here. And they go on interminably. Your hair will either fall out completely or at least go grey before you finish reading it all. And then you can graduate to the Shane.material. Or you can save yourself a ton of time and just take my word for it: it's all bullsh!t.

Well, I don’t disagree, Mike, but this reminds me of the student who heard that So-and-so had been debunked and so was pleased to have another author they didn’t need to read. You may graduate after this process, but what do you have in your head, I wonder? Since you are only ever going to read stuff that you can pick holes in, do you just stop reading altogether?

Take philosophy. If you read A History of Western Philosophy by Bertrand Russell, who was a scientist, not a philosopher, he debunks to a greater or lesser degree every philosopher that ever was. You then have a choice between two courses of action. You can either reject the entire field of philosophy, defined as “the study of the nature of knowledge and existence and the principles of moral and aesthetic value”. Or you can accept both sides of William James’s description of the subject: “at once the most sublime and the most trivial of human pursuits”, and set about debunking Bertrand Russell.

Agreed! I was just being a little tongue in cheek there

[Debra]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
For some of us, Corey lost all credibility long before he came out of the whistleblower closet. He got mad at TargeT and donk one day, and started a thread about psychopathic, narcissistic trolls, and then proceeded to display every single behavior he ascribed to the psychopathic, narcissistic trolls. His stint at Avalon was little more than a data mining operation.

Hear hear Lama I had my own experience with Corey as mr GoodeTXSG way back too.

He was pretty arrogant I thought. I was a little shocked one day how he 'spoke' to a member who was using the forum to explore her own life as an abductee and possibly as a hybrid. Nasty is the only word I had for the way he treated her - yes she was high maintenance I thought, very defensive, but that told me also that she was a mess. Yet, Corey was really goading her and it was not nice in my books. It was taunting, and yet nothing was said about his behaviour toward her at the time, which worried me a little but I didn't voice it either as then I was fairly new at the time and thought it better to just let it wash over.

For the record I did attempt to engage with him in a later thread that he had started on the Myer Briggs personality calculator/ profiler, which I am not overly married to. I do not care for the way that Myer Briggs profiles, putting limits on who a person is and not what they can become, and I opened this up. Oh boy I was given the chill treatment. So, that little 'run in' marked another event when I thought, to myself, that this guy has tickets on himself. He was a broadcaster IMHO not open to real dialogue.

So I just kept my eye on him as a member to be careful of, and certainly not one to come out with any of my own experiences, let me assure you. And I was flabbergasted when I find out later (when he was lauded during 2014 as a rising whistleblower) that he had set himself up as the go to man for people coming out of programs. WTF ! This had to be WRONG.

Welcome Vanlakos, this might give you some earlier context of what it was like to deal with this guy. I did go onto read more of his posts as I keep an open mind but his style to me was always of the machine he came from. Who is Corey Goode?

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Vanlakos I forgot to say hi to you

All I can say for sure is the Rabat keeps on rolling that Big-Ball-Of-Confusion down the hole but never plugs it Doh!

I seem to see things in time lines, the particular one I'm on reaches a Light-Bulb-Point and all of a sudden Blows, then a new Bulb lights up ?

Is it a higher start point of view or going around the circle under new rules, confusion till it starts to illuminate!

Jump view points if the scenery starts to hurt your eyes

[Hervé]

Posted by quiltinggrandma (here)
Mike,i agree.But i ask myself what DW would do if halfway through,he found out corey was full of it?

... if he hasn't already done so, he would start auditioning for his next lead performer.

[TargeT]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
For some of us, Corey lost all credibility long before he came out of the whistleblower closet. He got mad at TargeT and donk one day, and started a thread about psychopathic, narcissistic trolls, and then proceeded to display every single behavior he ascribed to the psychopathic, narcissistic trolls. His stint at Avalon was little more than a data mining operation.

I hate to say it, but really.. until that point my (often very skeptical brain) was sort of giving him a chance... I will admit, I can be a bit of a bull dog when I disagree with a topic and feel that one side is being "unfairly represented" (maybe under-bull-dog?) so I'm sure I did irritate Corey, though really we "should" have been friends (if he was legit) we both work (worked for him, currently work for me) in the same fields in the military (assuming that wasn't also a fabrication)... once trust is lost it's so hard to see anything he wrote as truthful honestly...

I've proudly bore the brunt of a few "fake messiahs" so far on this forum, I'm not sure why they find it so easy to turn on me.. who was the guy that said I was a military plant or some crap... that one really had me cracking up.


Honestly his first interview was enough for me to close the book on Corey. I feel sorry for him, that level of delusion, or possible sociopathy, or greed based motivation (I'm not really sure honestly, is he making money off his "interviews" ?) Him and a few other things did lead up to me walking away from the forum for a few months, but I got a lot of stuff done in the "real world", and a few things un-done (shattered my knee, I guess the universe wanted me to have a nice slow summer, with a backdrop of constant pain (which really has done wonders for my empathy for chronic pain sufferers and the trap of opiates)).

anyway...

Summary:

Corey: entertain your self if you find it entertaining (I don't) but otherwise it's pure fiction.

Cobra: See above.

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by quiltinggrandma (here)
Mike,i agree.But i ask myself what DW would do if halfway through,he found out corey was full of it?

... if he hasn't already done so, he would start auditioning for his next lead performer.

hahaha, my thoughts exactly (or maybe couching him into more credibility?)

if it's not clear

B. Fullford = Fabricated nonsense

D. Willcock = Fabricated Nonsense with a very savvy business backing.


it SUCKS that these "personalities" who come across as genuine and seem to have such good stories are all just bull**** artists.

But then, isn't that basically the definition of a sociopath?

[Sunny-side-up]

Off topic: Ha TargeT hope your knee makes a fast, full recovery.

[Nasu]

Welcome to the forum.. I like the way you've just jumped right in! Carry on!!

As sad as this report card reads on Corey, how amazing is it that we have collectively had this chance to hone and sharpen our discernment skills as a comunity of disparate souls. No doubt we will be tricked again, or scr##ed like the Karma Sutra, whichever you prefer. Interesting going back about the whole troll thread thing, with Corey, that was the point I turned off from him too. Not because I had any clues to his later performances, or indeed doubted his claims, simply put his style of being was not magnetic to me. I find out later, through others frustrations, how beyond extraordinary his story became, but as many have pointed out, his content mirrors many if not all of the discoveries in this forum, coincidentally!!

As for the others, B. Fullford et al. Personally I don't spare much time for these "alternative media" types, channels or presentations. For me, it all smacks of being simply "alternative TV" or "alternative news" for alternative thinkers. I didn't climb out of this limiting box of understanding just to climb into another, but this time marked - secret do not enter, TS/SCI or above eyes only....

It's our search for understanding that matters, IMHO, not in finding any gurus on the path, or if we do, we listen politely then carry on our way...

Discernment is a tough path, paved with wannabees, who have led dreary, non eventful lives.. Those that know don't talk, those that talk don't know... We are Ff'ed if we listen and Ff'ed if we ignore.. The irony of our collective path is not lost on me, the universe has a wonderful sense of humor, at least we can all agree on that..??..x... N

[TargeT]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
Off topic: Ha TargeT hope your knee makes a fast, full recovery.

Apparently I am unable to do things by half measure.


(yes, it does resemble a broken bottle, kind of you to notice!) It's actually not the break that's causing issue, it's the dislocation that went along with the break.

But thank you this is just another challenge.

Corey has a new video up (watch out ladies, apparently the interviewer is quite the eye candy)

I watched about half of it, nothing new (for me), just affirmation that sociopaths are EXTREMELY charismatic and "quick" on their feet with questions.

Posted by Nasu (here)
Welcome to the forum.. I like the way you've just jumped right in! Carry on!!

As sad as this report card reads on Corey, how amazing is it that we have collectively had this chance to hone and sharpen our discernment skills as a community of disparate souls.

A rare opportunity indeed, as these types of individuals are truly hard to spot with out a lot of time invested.

[Sean]

After all that BS with Shane, I'm not believing ANY of these stories..

[Mike]

what happened TargeT? how'd that happen???

[TargeT]

Posted by Mike (here)
what happened TargeT? how'd that happen???

I drive an electric motorcycle.... they can be.... unpredictable when compared to "normal" motorcycles (which I've ridden for close to 2 decades). The above break happend at about 15 mph and was totally my fault due to poor judgement (too much throttle sent the front end into the sky, which acted like a pivot which I tried to stop with one leg (bad idea)).

I feel like "reality" occasionally tosses us challenges to see how we react. Listing the complete of this situation would not only be boring to those not involved in it, but too long to make the point. Regardless, I think I was suppose to have a slow summer, which eventually lead me back to reading and posting on avalon.. so, win win?

[Bill Ryan]

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I'd like to copy this post over from my recent thread, The black world: what it's like working under great secrecy (The original post is here.)

It may offer an indirect answer to the excellent question posed by new member vanlakos on this thread. (Welcome, btw!)

Do read this carefully, particularly wnlight's fascinating personal story which I quoted.

~~~~~~~~~

Posted by wnlight (here)

Bill. Let me confirm what you wrote. It is a very accurate description of working in the black world. From 1977 on, I was working in the black world on two different projects. For four years at the Nuclear test site measuring the yield of thermal nuclear devices and their effect on 'space' hardware. They kept me out of the space hardware for the most part. It was the compartmentalism policy.

Then I worked on a military project at a place that does not exist. For a fictional company, on activities that never happened. I will not tell where because the military spent (and is spending) huge amounts of money to keep the location secret. This place has not been in the news or any literature that I have ever seen. I had the math and computer background to support orbital calculations and more. We had annual 'life style' lie detector exams by the NSA. Those 'tests' were fierce. They could use my own mind against me. I was not allowed to leave the country. We only knew the names of the people that we closely worked with. The IDs were picture cards - no names. For five years I put up with all that. Some of the technology we used in the 1980s is beyond what I will talk about today. Then, in 1985, I made a major career change and took a simple, Top Secret job for the Navy, and it was so nice to have windows sometimes, work for a real (not fictional) company. I felt a lot of relief of pressure. One problem was my resume had gaps in it that I could not explain when job hunting. I would not ever go back into the black world - no matter how exciting the secrets are.

Thank you for this important personal testimony!

Just about every word of wnlight's post needs to be considered carefully. Yes, this is how it really is. The pressure being on the 'inside' is relentless.

People who leave certain programs are often regularly checked up on from then on out, as well. You can't just calmly resign one day, and then go traveling around the world talking to anyone you like on the plane seat next to you. Security is often MUCH more of a concern once someone's left. They much prefer to keep people on the inside, even if they transfer from program to program for years.

It's fascinating stuff. I've talked to quite a few people who did work on 'very interesting' things — but the more interesting they are, the more compartmentalized everything is.

Someone who starts talking about everything one can think of, and is never even gently leaned on to be quiet (let alone being silenced forcibly), is not a threat... because they'd be inventing most if not all they're saying.

This is whistleblowing 101. Anyone who's really worked in this extremely tight, lock-down environment will confirm.

Hence the dictum, quoted in the YF-23 video in my post #1:

"People who know don’t talk, and people who talk don’t know."

The challenge of black-world researchers is to piece together fragments, like so many paper shreds collected from a trash can. And, because the black world guardians understand this very well, those fragments are also laced with false information and false trails.

It's never easy, and never has been... anyone who insists otherwise, and is contracted to go on TV with their stories, is living in (literally) a fantasy world. Either that — or knowingly or otherwise, they're part of the black world guardians' huge array of defensive assets.

[Mike]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
what happened TargeT? how'd that happen???

I drive an electric motorcycle.... they can be.... unpredictable when compared to "normal" motorcycles (which I've ridden for close to 2 decades). The above break happend at about 15 mph and was totally my fault due to poor judgement (too much throttle sent the front end into the sky, which acted like a pivot which I tried to stop with one leg (bad idea)).

I feel like "reality" occasionally tosses us challenges to see how we react. Listing the complete of this situation would not only be boring to those not involved in it, but too long to make the point. Regardless, I think I was suppose to have a slow summer, which eventually lead me back to reading and posting on avalon.. so, win win?

Awesome to have you back...but thats a hell of a trade off

I agree entirely with the universe throwing us a curve once in a while. I once broke my tibia n fibia clean thru (tho not as dramatically as you)...and it was the beginning.of a profound change in my life. But like you say, the story is a little.boring to the uninitiated.

I feel like I should say something useful here: for what it's worth, ive heard Noni juice is effective in expediting bone healing.

I recall the worst part being standing up after being supine for a while. The blood would rush to the site of the break ..and it was just murder!

Hope you heal up quick brother!

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Morbid (here)
imho we have to be equally suspecious to those that give us info as well as to those that shout that its fake. go figure..

The movie "Mirage Men" (which has a cameo of Bill in it) tells a good story of one way how given information is used against us ... and has been for a very long time.

[TargeT]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Anyone who's really worked in this extremely tight, lock-down environment will confirm.

I worked for 4 years in a TS SCIF (Top Secret Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) handling certain levels urgency and classification as messages came and went.. most of it seemed boring, occasionally it was jibberish (to me anyway). I found out later what i was doing while contracting for the air force and only then because some of the same "jibberish" was used in conjunction with the systems I worked on/with (it wasn't anything cool, just bland DoD stuff that you'd expect). but it's funny how you can spend over 1000 days working somewhere and not really understand why or what you are doing.

I consider that as my "compartmentalized" time, everything since has been much more relaxed (and even more "boring" compared to Mr Goode's accounts). Even my deployments had less informational control than in that SCIF.


so I would wholeheartedly agree with Mr Ryan; when you can answer every question on any topic and you supposedly were working at THOSE levels of secrecy (something that makes my experience seem infantile I'm sure) big strobbing red flags pop up for me.

I spent 2 years on night shift not knowing exactly what I was doing (at least the ultimate, over all picture) and two more "in the light" (as we called it in Alaska.. haha, when you were on night shift you didn't see the sun for 5+ months unless you woke up at a weird time) with not much more understanding; compartmentalization works very well in this sense.