Ascension is a Mind Control Program

[greybeard]

Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Ultimate truth is that there is no such thing as ascension---what you are is complete, eternal, unchanging, it never was anything else

Ah, well Yes and No, it depends upon one's Perspective doesn't it ?



"We are trying to get to the summit of spiritual
realization, and there are many valid paths leading
to the top. Of course, the view and terrain on
one side of a mountain will differ from the other,
but the summit is identical no matter what your approach".

[Deng Ming-Dao]

So from one who has apparently "ascended" (made their way) to the "Summit" then sure, of course, such considerations automatically fall away ... however until one seemingly reaches it, it can appear as if one is "ascending" (making progress) along the way right ?

Oh, and I suppose it also depends upon the type of one's Approach inasmuch as there are paths of "Sudden Enlightenment" as well as those of "Gradual Enlightenment"

You (that is everyone) are already enlightened--just lack the knowledge of this.
Obstacles can be cleared.

I like Tims thread in the spiritual section--gives a clear over view.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post456904

Ramesh said The biggest obstacle is the thought that you are the doer.
Also from he quoted the Bagavad Gita
Events happen
Deeds are done
There is no doer there of.
The ego loves that.

There are many paths but few realised as they are busy thinking they are the seeker and have to keep doing.
They keep the identity of a spiritual seeker alive and that's a very powerful obstacle.
Its very subtle in that you can sit on the couch with a couple of cans of beer waiting for enlightenment to dawn and it wont happen.
Meditation ---self enquiry helpful --that can just happen with out a claim that "I am doing this"

Anyway that's not exactly on topic.
Best wishes
Chris

[gord]

I'm not sure how relevant this might be to the thread, but links are cheap:http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...ouncil9_04.htm

[zen deik]

Nothing is static....

[Clear Light]

Posted by greybeard (here)
They keep the identity of a spiritual seeker alive and that's a very powerful obstacle

Kind of like ^^^ eh ?

[terragunn]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
My views on the transhumanist agenda are unique... For one, i think the word itself is sort of a psy op. Transhumanism has a whole lot less of an edge if you simply say "Future Technology". See how that works? One has some sort of Spawn of Satan energy to it in a lot of minds, and the other is just technology but beyond our wildest dreams. Future technology is not something to be afraid of as much as it would be prudent to learn these technologies now, because they are fully operationally being weaponized VS mankind. These technologies can fool just about anyone unless they are properly debriefed on them.(which is a lot of the motivation behind my websites).

@Omniverse: Do you not believe that – through the power of imagination, thought, intention, and focus – we can create anything that technology is capable of without the aid of technology?

[Selene]

This is an extraordinary discussion, Omni, and I thank you greatly for beginning it. Your observations here are most appreciated.

I am, in broad terms, essentially in agreement with what you have proposed: the “mass ascension argument” is one that is essentially self-referencing and circular, that is, it is “true” only because “everybody says it is true, because everyone else says it is true…” There is absolutely no independent, prior or comparative evidence for its human reality. No precedent, no living examples, no evidence at all. What we do know of sudden human evolution can also be explained by genetic intervention, for which there may be an historical argument. [NB, I am personally agnostic on this point, but nevertheless.] And, yes, we have seen many inspiring examples of individual spiritual growth to higher levels of being and consciousness. But mass ascension, no.

This is not to say there may never be such a thing, but if mass ascension ever did happen, it would be without precedent of any kind. So for anyone to speak with any kind of confidence about its nature is basically parroting a belief or theory, not a true experience.

And the connection to channeling here is well perceived. Warnings about channeling as a deceptive mechanism are as old as all of occultism, and that goes back a very, very long way. Where prior we had deceptive astral entities and recently deceased Masters pleased to communicate with mere mortals via Ouija boards, we now have the fully electronic and ground-controllable means to deliver powerful subconscious suggestion to naïve and willing participant while they sleep or work or meditate. What criminal conspiracy could resist?

And I do agree that the fundamental message of modern “ascension” channeling – “Relax, we’ll do it all for you lucky human, time and the cosmos has spoken...” – creates the perfect passivity-inducing message. Just wait. Merely wait. Merely wait for it.

A state of passive waiting is an unproductive, disempowered and immature state. The quintessential sheep to be shorn can now be dressed in fashionable modern tech.

As others have pointed out, the sooner we all figure this out and each begin our own journey of inner growth and personal spiritual practice – by doing, not reading about - the sooner we will indeed accomplish something meaningful and real.

Cheers,

Selene

[boutreality]

Encouraged to see Omniverse setting off in this particular direction, and approaching it from this particular tangent, I offer the following. Stating yet again, (though I fight the absurdity of a notion that an adult needs to remind another adult this,)
What I say is grounded in my knowledge and no one is required to expect that this will become, or will be accepted as anyone else's understanding.

Ekankar, an Ascended Masters Religion ‘the religion of the light and sound of god,’ (taught, at entry as yellow, then white) is practiced by closing one’s eyes while enunciating and holding the syllable ‘Hu’ they literally sit there saying, ‘HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.’
Scientology teaches that what it calls "our source"; the white light is tri-differentiated into yellow light- the ‘I’ of consciousness, blue light- the ‘Am’ of conscious being, and red light- the ‘you’ of conscious experience. And once an action is committed it exists as a thing apart from you and deleterious actions must be removed from you in order for you to progress. (By the way, give them loads of money if you want to progress to a high level operating thetan- one that controls their being (and their world) more and more exclusively utilizing theta brain waves. In truth, their experiential conscious being becomes more and more inextricably founded within a realm projected by machines. (PDF overview of 'machines' attached below)

Black Isosceles Triangles: the massive 'ships,' (I referrenced that we know what these ships do, now I'm going to share more definitive function. These ships transmit a frequency resonant to the "Hu" sound as in the word Human, triggering a self/mental conception each time one identifies with and to some degree hears the term, human. (Anyone paying enough mind to my posts will note I have stated before, "It is no exaggeration to consider the definition of "Human" to mean "manipulated man.")

This frequency is widely regarded as ringing in the ears; tinitus; or the "frequency of the brain," or even by some of those in this Ascension shtick as "the resonance of godhead."

This resonance forms/projects an electro-static 'net,' and casts it through the three dimensional brain; affecting/rerouting/'assembling' etc thought forms. The function of these ships does not end there. Now for the 'good news': the worst of the attack this assemblage serves to deliver (though the attack, truly nightmarish, is not dependent on these ships alone) has been so dismantled at it's actual source and a great danger has been averted. As I've said many times: THIS IS WAR. Now a disquieting aside:

The Astral Plane is a holographic field that, though acted upon by other machines portrayed in the pdf, is projected (as a ground) by these ships. (Other specific 'regions of the 'Astral' are 'put together' by disparate machines, these realms blend seamlessly into the rest until one may get "trapped") The "Hu" net encourages your mind into projecting the hologram you know as your being when one experiences these so-called realms.

No, no one likes reading this. To fight the enemy, they; their weaponry, and their mode of operating must be accurately identified. Please respect that I care not what your opinion of this is, much less that you adopt this as accepted information, and especially not at face value alone. This is my respect for you as an individual with a right to your own unadulterated discernment; Please respect mine (absurd to repeat- such is the world I guess.)

Contribute toward the effort to break free or don't; let's not get lost in arguments over hurt feelings and sentimentality. Too many threads here and on many forums get lost through that line.

"Well counted calculator, you didn't calculate this, there's a lot more nothing than you knew exists" -"Wicked Campaign" by Modest Mouse

[Omni]

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[terragunn]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by terragunn (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)
My views on the transhumanist agenda are unique... For one, i think the word itself is sort of a psy op. Transhumanism has a whole lot less of an edge if you simply say "Future Technology". See how that works? One has some sort of Spawn of Satan energy to it in a lot of minds, and the other is just technology but beyond our wildest dreams. Future technology is not something to be afraid of as much as it would be prudent to learn these technologies now, because they are fully operationally being weaponized VS mankind. These technologies can fool just about anyone unless they are properly debriefed on them.(which is a lot of the motivation behind my websites).

@Omniverse: Do you not believe that – through the power of imagination, thought, intention, and focus – we can create anything that technology is capable of without the aid of technology?

Actually my opinion is an unpopular one among people who frequently have accepted the demonization of future technology. My opinion is some things can only be done by technology. For example acute recordings of thoughts played back to one's self over a period of time that could be any length.

I know it's a common belief in UFOlogy that extraterrestrials communicate telepathically with just their mind's. But currently I do not subscribe to that idea after my experiences. I have experienced natural telepathy, and it is not capable of what technological telepathy is capable of at least for myself. I can trade concepts with insects with technology, with natural telepathy it may appear like that is happening, but from what I've observed this can often be a self generated energy set in one's mind to explain what is going on, not necessarily a direct concept imprint of what is inside the insects mind.

I also cannot connect with people all around the world and do online work without technology. You could say I could travel, but that isn't an option when I have $2 in my bank account right now. lol. The internet really revolutionized mankind. It made all of mankinds knowledge(or most of it) available to a quick text search. This is a huge deal IMHO. Electronic telepathy will do similar IMHO. I know the may be wildly unpopular but I value the truth enough to endure any negative judgments upon me by others for this post...

A good view of my perspective on technology can be found in the "About" i wrote on my futurist/electronic telepathy website. It is here: http://www.electronictelepathy.net/p/about.html

Here is a snip:

"Developmental curves have certain areas where human psychological evolution takes a giant leap. Technology has already provided this with the internet.

I believe electronic telepathy will be another jump, just like the internet but in it's own diverse and unique ways. Just like the internet, electronic telepathy has pros and cons. Just like the internet, I see "clean" and mastered electronic telepathy as a game changer and mostly a positive thing."

Ironic you mention it, I think the real "ascension" of mankind that comes from an external source is from technology as much as anything. Mainly the internet and electronic telepathy technologies. Those things will be a catalyst for enlightenment and evolution of mind, and destroying of false paradigms more than any cosmic/galactic variable IMO.

So in a nutshell I think some things are only possible with technology. At least for me. I can't say what some godlike being is capable of if such exists. But within my own means, technology proves unique things that I cannot get from anything else. That being said if I had a religion it would be nature type stuff. I revere and highly value nature and natural things. There are holistic ways of using electronic telepathy, and fallen angel ways of using electronic telepathy. I just get discouraged to post my opinions on avalon about technology when I see people so misdirected about future technology. I believe future technology has been demonized with NLP stuff based around the word transhumanism, and it doesn't help that the "elite" are pretty much all transhuman or desire to be. It also doesn't help these technologies are currently pretty much only weaponized vs mankind. It also doesn't help the disinformation psy ops related to technology(which I rarely talk about because they are so effective).

@Omniverse: I find your perspectives interesting. All of such I do not resonate with (yet have understanding fully of), and this has to do with awareness of the NOW, and integrating and transmuting incarnational aspects of the Ancient Future with the Perceived Past. And such has to do with 'alien' souls attaching themselves to a living host spirit.

Omniverse -- do you understand what the Greys really are, and who they are? Reptilians, too? I mention this because your perspectives are that of Grey and Reptilian consciousness. No offense. I understand the mind of these entities, and well I should. The difference is I choose not to comply.

[Finefeather]

I would agree with Omniverse, in full, based on his OP… BUT there is a grave error which few can even suspect… His words capture, well, the essence of the 'evil' in the 'ascension' which is been presented to the general public… however… ascension... in it's true meaning… bears no resemblance to what is been presented here.

AND… ascension is far from a new age idea… it has been known and understood for billions of years… as will be seen later.

The reason that most cannot see the 'irony' of the ascension truth is because there is a level higher than that which is been analysed and debated.

When we are unable to see this higher truth… the idea of ascension becomes a means to easily manipulate those who do not know the truth. This same strategy for mind control and manipulation of human thinking has been going on for hundreds of years… in fact it started during the Atlantean era when the dark forces first made their move on this planet to mislead humans.

Today we can see the same principle of disinformation been used with other words… like… illuminati… Lucifer… Masons… enlightenment… etc. These words and organisations have been stolen by dark forces and re-invented… in bulk… to such a degree that the original meaning and use has become lost in time… and those less advanced and newer humans… now… when coming across the real writings of these ancient truths… because they still exist… immediately reject them because someone has researched their meaning…. Without actually knowing the higher truths behind them… and has failed to include the true meaning with the re-invented meaning.

This position, which most will find themselves in when trying to seek truth, then, simply becomes a choice of acceptance or rejection… depending on the strength of each presenter's argument… because the real truth just becomes another hypothesis amongst the many which exist.

Now…

The most effective way of gaining 'votes' for the rejection of ascension is to find ways to fit it into the agenda of the dark forces… the mind controllers… who have been well and truly found out by those who recognise and understand… to some degree… the law of 'good' and 'evil'.

In true esoterics, however… (and yes even this word has been 'stolen')… 'good' and 'evil' are merely levels of relativity in life… 'evil' often appears within the realm of 'good'... and 'good' often appears within the realm of 'evil'. Good and evil must therefore play an important part in the growth of our consciousness… because we might say that without 'evil' we would not know 'good… or visa versa… without 'good' we would not know 'evil'. But... this in itself is a misnomer of these words whilst we are unable to see the higher truth… and this is what brings the word 'ascension' into the realm of fiction when higher truth is lacking.

What humans call 'good' and 'evil' is determined by the effect which some action or confrontation has on their persona… their ego… their level of consciousness. What is 'evil' for some may even be 'good' for another… and what is 'good' for some may actually be 'evil' for others… living proof that 'good' and 'evil' only exists in the world of the ignorant.

So what then is true ascension?

Obviously I will be very broad because reality take a long time to understand in detail.

The Cosmos in which we exist has 49 atomic levels… called worlds… these are not dimensions as many think.

These worlds... starting at the highest level 1… on top… have ever increasing levels of atomic density, and when we reach level 49… the lowest… we are in the physical world which we all know about because we live in it and experience it every day.

Each one of us is a single primordial atom which Pythagoras called a Monad.

We have descended… involved... into physical density from world 1... and now we are evolving back from world 49 to world 1… from which we originally came from… and in this process we are expanding our consciousness, our intelligence, our power, our love and our unity incrementally as we advance into each higher world… until we finally in many many more aeons reach our true goal as super Beings. Omniscient and omnipotent.

Currently humans are in the 4th kingdom… (there are 12 kingdoms... 6 in the Solar System and the higher 6 move into the Cosmic worlds)…. having evolved through the mineral… the plant... and the animal kingdoms... and we have expanded our consciousness into the worlds of the emotions and of mentality. So the 4th Kingdom comprises that of the physical atomic level 49, the emotional atomic level 48, and the mental atomic level 47.

Our goal as humans is to ascend into the next higher kingdom which is known as the 5th, or Essential kingdom… once having achieved this we are no longer humans… but many still return to give out the truth.

In this 5th kingdom... which is many many more times higher that the difference between the animal kingdom and the human kingdom… we return to and achieve our divine state of love for all and unity of all in collective harmony… we become one in mind… but sovereign forever.
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So whoever now is convinced that ascension is an evil act by believing the OP story… from it's narrow view… and rejects true ascension because of it… is unwittingly being indoctrinated… mind controlled… by the very thing which the dark forces want.

This is the biggest danger which humans face… simply because they do not know the higher side of the bigger picture.

In their enthusiasm and egotistic need to be seen as a saviour of the human race… the very thing that ignorant messengers preach about is often the very thing that the dark forces want you to believe.

So intelligent are these dark forced that they are able to manipulate and steer your thoughts to incorrect conclusions… and you'll swear and insist that you have found the one and only truth… when in fact they have just recruited you into their arsenal of disinformation… whether you are aware of it or not.

Take care
Ray

[Clear Light]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
The Cosmos in which we exist has 49 atomic levels… called worlds… these are not dimensions as many think

Ah, sounds like something I once read in Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine" where there are said to be 7 Planes to "Existence" with each so-called "Plane" having 7 sub-levels to it ...

[greybeard]

Ah but who is this "we"
Sorry I could not resist.
Mind makes everything so complicated and that also is a distraction from Truth.

Chris

[Clear Light]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Mind makes everything so complicated and that also is a distraction from Truth

[Finefeather]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Ah but who is this "we"
Sorry I could not resist.
Mind makes everything so complicated and that also is a distraction from Truth.

Chris

Mind is only complicated when you are unaware of it's nature... so it is natural to think it might be a distraction.

It's a bit like the pupil who can't get to grips with the maths and declares it to be unnecessary in his life until he realises he cannot get past a certain level without mastering it.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
The Cosmos in which we exist has 49 atomic levels… called worlds… these are not dimensions as many think

Ah, sounds like something I once read in Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine" where there are said to be 7 Planes to "Existence" with each so-called "Plane" having 7 sub-levels to it ...

Yes this is so, but she was only referring to the bottom 7 material worlds which make up the Solar System levels... these are worlds 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48 , 49.
She does not go higher because that was not her mission in her incarnation.

[greybeard]

Theosophical Society saw in the young Jiddu Krishnamurti a special spiritual being and helpful to the future of the society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti
The society as portrayed in this link is worth reading about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society

Because they believe in secret society and taking oaths---for the spiritual good of humanity it is to be said

However Jiddu Krishnamurti distanced himself from the society and is believed to have become Self Realised/enlightened

Members of the society tend to ridicule or minimise the possibility of enlightenment in this world.

Im not saying that nothing happens after enlightenment but it is a "worthy endeavour" while in human form and to be respected.

Ray said that the use of the word enlightenment is disinformation as here.

Today we can see the same principle of disinformation been used with other words… like… illuminati… Lucifer… Masons… enlightenment… etc. These words and organisations have been stolen by dark forces and re-invented… in bulk… to such a degree that the original meaning and use has become lost in time… and those less advanced and newer humans… now… when coming across the real writings of these ancient truths… because they still exist… immediately reject them because someone has researched their meaning…. Without actually knowing the higher truths behind them… and has failed to include the true meaning with the re-invented meaning.


Now I agree that there is miss use of the word exactly as Ray says however the "state" of Self Realisation is very real and there are ones in that "state"
Its not complex no oaths no organisation, no church, just the discovery of what you really are and always have been, I suppose you could call that personal Ascension.

Dont want to put a list of the current enlightened,but I will mention Mooji who is of the linage of Ramana Maharshi.
Mooji is worth taking a look at for those looking for personal discovery----words dont do it

Chris

[greybeard]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Ah but who is this "we"
Sorry I could not resist.
Mind makes everything so complicated and that also is a distraction from Truth.

Chris

Mind is only complicated when you are unaware of it's nature... so it is natural to think it might be a distraction.

It's a bit like the pupil who can't get to grips with the maths and declares it to be unnecessary in his life until he realises he cannot get past a certain level without mastering it.

I would not describe Jiddu Krishnamurti as lacking in intelligence--he was exposed to esoteric at a very deep level and decided against it and as said went on to Self Realisation/enlightenment.
Carl Jung who new a little about mind to say the least, wanted to meet Ramana Maharshi as "The brightest spark in India".
Also depends how you define mind Ray--The Mind of God is something different.

[Constance]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Wrote an article inspired by a post on the icke forum asking me why I think ascension is a mind control program. I pasted some of my response and created a new art for the net I think adds some value to the meme library of the net. I realize a decent number of people believe in ascension on this forum, and this article might just seem like BS. However I think this quote by Tom Montalk is enlightening related to contradictions in beliefs:

This is the art for the article I just made in Photoshop that says it all perhaps without even reading the article:


Here is the full article:
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Ascension is a Mind Control Program / False Paradigm

The title is just my opinion/belief. Beliefs are fallible at times of course, so I am not saying I am for sure right. But I do think I'm right, and it seems most of the alt media who pays attention to UFOlogy are almost all fooled with these psychological operations. I stayed away from opposing some of the most popular and successful psychological operations at first(at least in some areas) because I felt the psychological operations are much more popular than I am. But at some point it just needs to be said.

For those who may not be familiar with what I mean by "Ascension"... Ascension is an idea that originates from channeled sources. People who say they are channeling disembodied spirits. My own first hand experiences(which includes channeling via AI), as well as research and discernment points to the US military/intelligence complex being behind the creation and promotion of the idea of ascension while using covert advanced technology while operating under "Cosmic entity" facades. As far as I know, it started with the Law of One channeled material, which coincidentally came out approximately a couple years after the US government had perfected channeling mind control technology(approx. 1980 or sooner).

As soon as the US military got a hold of the technology to fluidly control an unwitting channelers mind, a plethora of New Age disinformation popped up in the form of channeling. Channeling is at the core of the New Age deception. When I say new age deception I mean a belief system of the new age with a good bit of truth and many strategic psychological operations mixed in.

If you are not familiar with "Ascension" just google "Ascension Channeling" and there will be a lot come up I'm sure.

In my view the ascension 5D stuff is full blown strategic mind control program material. And the reason I think that is in large number. But I will name some reasons why I think it's a mind control program, and why i think ascension is a false belief.

1. I believe ascension in the "New Age" Paradigm is there to cause apathy/inaction. Ascension is a new age idea, which is sourced to black ops influenced channelers and black ops influenced "contactees"(black ops being my own opinion).

If people think the world will magically shift into a better and spiritually healthy place, what is the use of trying to be proactive and create that world yourself? If some magic cosmic shift will do all the work, what is the point of making sacrifices and risking things like targeting and death by the cabal, if it will all shift without any work at all with some density/ascension shift.

You see the same effect from the same sources of channeling promoting the saviorship model. "ETs will save us" or "ETs have saved us" etc, the normal UFOlogy disinformation nonsense. If everyone thinks someone else/something else will do all the work(Jesus, ETs, The Cosmos), the result is less people being proactive. Less activism.

Same with the rapture model seen by the same channelers. They say ascension wont be good for evil sources and they will no longer exist on our planet in some sort of culling by the cosmos of darkness. Christianity has it too. But the result is apathy when people think everything will go to **** and be destroyed, and/or everything will be taken care of without them lifting a finger.

2. I have detected faulty information that is very strategic in it's effects from Every Single Source I have ever seen promoting the idea of ascension. I could give examples and name names but I do not like to throw negative stuff at people in alt media on this blog... The alt media has enough fighting and division for my blog to involve such...

3. Lets say the dinosaurs evolved to be space faring. Would they really have to wait millions of years for 5D? Since 5D is "coming soon!" the poor dinosaurs would have been stuck in 3D for millions of years. Is it really practical to think that some sort of galactic cosmic shift is timed right when humanity has societal boiling points? I don't think so.


4. The 3D universe is massive and has countless suns and planets. Where are all the 3d races in UFOlogy? I suspect that even the most advanced ETs from our universe have planets in the same 3D space/time dimension we inhabit. I find it ridiculous UFOlogy contacts they all state they are 5D or 4D or 6D. No 3D races? Things that make you go Hmmm....

5. Funny how all these ascension dates are right after things pick up for humanity. For an organic cosmic event to shift planet earth right at the perfect time of our boiling point is highly improbable unless you think some sort of God is controlling the cosmos, which I don't personally subscribe to. Basically with certain areas of the galaxy leading to ascension in orbit of the galaxy, it would be ascending cave men to 5D and some races would sit there for way too long to ascend reasonably. I do not see universal mechanics behind ascension reasonable to conclude personally.

6. One of the first deceptions ever done to me as a black ops target(as far as I can discern) is the US shadow government trying to turn me into a contactee that promotes ascension and 5D, I even named a song about it early on in 2009 named "3rd Density End Game". The whole "5D magical shift coming" is what they wanted me to parrot. Eventually I was told by my contacts that it was a set of electronic telepathy impersonations when it came to me asking if densities are real, a set of deceptions basically. And the way they pointed it out was convincing...

7. My own contacts never identify as 6D, 5D, etc. And one anonymous ET contact of mine even said "Our planets are in the same 3D universe as yours." This could have been misdirection as any telepathic contact has to be scrutinized, but I personally think it is accurate.

I bet I could come up with more but those are 7 big reasons why I think Ascension is false, and some of my reasoning about psy ops and why it's a psy op in my view.

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Source Link: http://omnisense.blogspot.com/2015/1...-programs.html


I wouldn't mind any reasons why people believe IN ascension. What reason is there to believe in ascension? Other than of course the sheer number of people in alt media saying it's real? (there are more assets in alt media than truth tellers IMO).

Anything credible in science for example?

Omni, just to clarify something - could you please reveal to us what you think happens to us once we die?



I've seen in previous thread of yours that you have referenced Nature as being Source, do you consider us to be a part of nature or something aside from that?
And...if Nature is source, do you believe that every nature being has a soul and do you extend this to plant life? eg. trees? flowers, funghi

[Omni]

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