Anomalies in The Ruiner's material

[Nasu]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)
. What is the blue jay story?

It was a story that Shane is giving blow jobs to every one on the Toronto Blue Jays baseball team, every Tuesday.

Well at least this story is more plausible than Shane teaching Putin at the age of thirteen.... I hope for his sake, neither is true... N

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by Realeyes (here)
CW did a lot of play acting, he made lots of stuff up,….. CW even made up the entire Blue Jays story – it was never in the Ruiner Blog. It was a fabricated joke meant to point out how we can readily believe here say.

Then maybe we are finally getting verification that Shane's whole blog was a gimmick to see how gullible people are. It goes without saying that I never took any of it seriously to begin with, whether Shane is talking about hanging out with Putin in space at 13 years old or joking with CW about helping birds get off.

[Shannon]

Posted by Elainie (here)

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)

Posted by Realeyes (here)
So just to reiterate, CW is the author of the Blue Jays story - mystery solved on that small part.

Hey there, I'm a little confused and am hoping you can clarify some of your post. What is the blue jay story? And are you saying that cw has been telling Shane what to say? Are the blue jays the same as blue avians? And is cw the member who screwed over Shane?

Sorry if these are questions that seem pointless to you, I'm just trying to figure out what is going on. Thanks.

The Toronto Blue Jay story appears 1 hour 20 minutes into Chanter "interview". So that is a tale both Chanter and Shane come up with, yet another test of gullibility.
CW Chanter is not a member here on PA. A PA member was part of Shane's inner circle , this is who Realeyes is referring to.

Thank you, Elaine I haven't had the time to listen to the whole interview , so when I read blue jay story I thought maybe Cw was being a smart ass and was referring to the blue avians. I have to listen to the whole thing , it just seems so long and pointless. He (Cw) def needs to do less yapping and more listening and I hope he'll realize that.

Anyhoo, thanks

Thank you

[promezeus]

the interview was mostly a pre arranged comedic farce although cw did alot of truth telling too. read cw explanation in comments under video on youtube.

[Shannon]

Posted by promezeus (here)
the interview was mostly a pre arranged comedic farce although cw did alot of truth telling too. read cw explanation in comments under video on youtube.

I left a comment there yesterday as for the "interview", I must have gotten right before this blue jay sausage fest was dropped.

[Sierra]

Posted by Realeyes (here)
The latest CW & Shane talk was like watching a Monty Python movie that portrayed many angles to encourage deeper thinking – the whole play was a mind to heart conscious awareness exercise.

Another was an exercise to observe our own discernment and perhaps how easily we might give our own power and knowingness away to another who speaks with convincing words. It was an exercise to know thyself better.

Does Shane really think anybody is that dumb.

A mind to heart conscious awareness exercise...

My mind refuses to believe Shane has any care for my heart.

Three cheers for the bloody, battered, ignored, mocked, and disrespected truth, wherever she has crawled to lick her wounds.

[gripreaper]

Posted by Sierra (here)
Three cheers for the bloody, battered, ignored, mocked, and disrespected truth, wherever she has crawled to lick her wounds.

That's not a bad signature line right there

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)
Three cheers for the bloody, battered, ignored, mocked, and disrespected truth, wherever she has crawled to lick her wounds.

That's not a bad signature line right there

Yes. If the Avalon mods had an office and a wall, we'd print it out and frame it.

[ThoughtOnFire]

I wonder what Shane's response is to this thread.

[Calz]

The "plot" seems to be thickening ... and I am (and evidently have always been) out of the loop ... but I can answer that one.

Across several venues:

[araucaria]

Posted by ThoughtOnFire (here)
I wonder what Shane's response is to this thread.

His response is the appropriate one: silence, no doubt while processing the backlash of “love and respect” from many who have a better understanding of love and respect than he likely does. I think this thread has run its course. Let’s leave him with that before we show ourselves up by running out of those commodities.

[promezeus]

love and respect are not commodities to an organic soul, but only to a transhumanist one. We are not some herd to be sheepled around by a sheepherder. The thread will have run its course when the last organic soul has lost interest.
My current take on shane is that he is a brilliant, organic soul with a twisted, transhumanist, frustration neurosis, a common trauma reaction to the orwellian agenda in play nowadays, except that shane acts his out in this cynical, nerdy way....kind of like self mutilation where the self is expanded to include those like him, which would be us.

[araucaria]

Posted by promezeus (here)
love and respect are not commodities to an organic soul, but only to a transhumanist one. We are not some herd to be sheepled around by a sheepherder. The thread will have run its course when the last organic soul has lost interest.

I think you misunderstand me, in which case I apologize. I was using the word commodity in the sense of "something useful or valuable" (New Penguin English Dictionary). If you find love and respect not useful or valuable, then feel free to do that - there can be no "sheep-herding" involved since I would disagree with that.

[promezeus]

The transhumanist agenda is to define, commoditise, and monetise everything ie make inorganic. An organic soul does not try to define himself/herself since he knows that his true being is indefinable like a quantum. A tree is not a t-r-e-e. And love is not something we do, but something we are, when we are.

[Ultima Thule]

There was a notion in "Why do so many people still fall for the "whistleblower/insider" hustle?" -thread about the Shane-fiasco. Did I miss something? Are we exactly there yet?

UT

[Shannon]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)
. What is the blue jay story?

It was a story that Shane is giving blow jobs to every one on the Toronto Blue Jays baseball team, every Tuesday.

Classy.....oy vey

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Posted by araucaria (here)
His response is the appropriate one: silence, no doubt while processing the backlash of “love and respect” from many who have a better understanding of love and respect than he likely does.

The lack of love or respect involved in manipulating and lying to people for months on end makes me think that the "love and respect" bit was as much fictional showmanship as the bird fellatio story.

I think this thread has run its course. Let’s leave him with that before we show ourselves up by running out of those commodities.

Whenever this thread has runs its course, we should try to remember it, because I get the feeling that when all of this dies down, Shane is not going to shy away from additional interviews. He hasn't quite given up on his fiction yet and the gullible will be vulnerable as always.

[Chester]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by ThoughtOnFire (here)
I wonder what Shane's response is to this thread.

His response is the appropriate one: silence, no doubt while processing the backlash of “love and respect” from many who have a better understanding of love and respect than he likely does. I think this thread has run its course. Let’s leave him with that before we show ourselves up by running out of those commodities.

agree - let's Thank You

EDIT: I have already experienced my above post being completely misinterpreted so I wish to make it CLEAR -

Let's LEAVE and move on to anything but this "matter."

Another thing I believe is important to be stated publicly - I had nothing to do with bannings and in fact personally had zero issue with a single post made by someone who is now banned as I understand how misunderstandings occur (humans being human). In addition, I was invited back on Avalon and issued a yellow card which anyone who understands the rules of football knows one more yellow card becomes a red card. Considering my own track record the last 11 months, this makes sense.

[araucaria]

Posted by promezeus (here)
The transhumanist agenda is to define, commoditise, and monetise everything ie make inorganic. An organic soul does not try to define himself/herself since he knows that his true being is indefinable like a quantum. A tree is not a t-r-e-e. And love is not something we do, but something we are, when we are.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1015017


I am not talking about the transhumanist agenda. Love and respect are not things, they are immaterial concepts or qualities (what we are) beyond words, but words are one of their physical embodiments; in loving or respectful posts for example. There may be more love and respect in my use of the word “commodity” than you perceived; and there may well be less in Shane’s systematic use of the actual words “love and respect” than he professes. Has he been purely going through the motions? In other words, do we throw him under the bus or do we cut him some slack? I don’t expect we’ll be hearing from him again until we decide which it is to be.

The humanist agenda suggests that there are various shades of gray, and that there is a huge likelihood that any individual posing as human will fall into that area. The immature attention-seeker being described matches that profile of the incompetent learner as opposed to one with evil intent. Evil is of course another abstraction only perceptible through physical embodiments, and one of its attributes is its deceptiveness, meaning that we can see it when it isn’t there. We are all at various stages of learning and are equally liable to be misunderstood. What are our criteria for giving some people the benefit of the doubt, but not others? Breaking forum rules are part of it of course; so far Shane has not broken any, otherwise he would have been banned.

The learning process itself is all about copying uncomprehendingly until you “get it”, often not intellectually, with the mind, but at least empirically, through the body. Take the simple action of hitting a ball. You learn from watching others to do a backswing and a follow-through. If you ask an instructor why you have do things before the ball has arrived and after it has left, he will simply tell you this is the technique that works, as you will find out empirically for yourself. An instructor will not go into a meditation on past, present and future time as I did here and here. So you have the basic technique that can be broken down for a machine to learn; and once it becomes fairly automatic, you have the creativity that comes from a human throwing body and soul into the gesture. You begin to do things you will find in no textbook; these may be somewhat accidental, but it is also what characterizes the very best, who do them in a controlled, repeatable manner. If you want to put some conceptual labels on this, reliability and trustworthiness come to mind. These are positive qualities that we both find desirable in machines and often find lacking in humans. But becoming a reliable, trustworthy human being cannot on that account be equated with becoming a machine. Our current problem is with people who are less honest than a cash machine, which always delivers the requested amount.

Shane has obviously learnt the mechanical technique, which we might call common courtesy – not so common really: we all know how hard it is to remain courteous under provocation. Technique is often difficult and important. Manufacturing a precision part is done by machine in order to obtain near-perfect copies, which is something humans do badly; we tend towards non-uniformity, making everything to some small degree a unique work of art. We need near-perfect copies when dealing for example with interlocking components. If two handmade interlocking components are out of tolerance in opposite directions, they will not function together.

Now transpose this to the human synergy we are trying to construct together. As individuals, we are all out of tolerance, whether in similar or opposite directions, so understandably we cannot function as working components of an organic unit. This is why “inorganic” (a problematical notion) or mechanical input is required. There is no point demonizing this machine component, since we actually need it, to help but not control. Technology must be a tool, not a master: a learning tool until, beyond the purely technical skills, we master the art of living together, including exhibiting basic human qualities automatically, as a matter of course, not to be confused with automation or artificial intelligence.

If you want to demonize someone – throw them under the bus – you need to understand that you can be demonized yourself, when you know in your heart that you are simply doing your best, which may not be good enough for some (if you have never experienced it personally, just ask Bill Ryan!). So you need them to give you some slack. And how you go about getting some slack is by giving slack to others, including Shane. In this way, tolerance stops being a technical precision-engineering term and becomes a human notion. If we are to make the human machine work, we need to increase the tolerances between individual components instead of decreasing them – although admittedly there have to be limits somewhere. This means teachers and students (individuals with different skills levels) being able to play together (play being a technical synonym for tolerance). They do this by finding a common level: the teacher at less than his actual level, while the learner does his best, which is constantly improving by dealing with situations that are always seemingly too difficult but not quite; this is what we mean by pedagogy.

Shane may be just a silly young band leader fooling around with us: so what? Let’s teach him a lesson! No time will have been wasted. Ask not what your Shane can do for you, but what you can do for your Shane. He will find he got more than he bargained for. See this thread of Bill’s, “The story of an epiphany. Should a toxic person leave a group, or hang in there and change their life?”

[Rusalka]

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