Ascension is a Mind Control Program

[Omni]

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[Constance]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by breal (here)
Omni, just to clarify something - could you please reveal to us what you think happens to us once we die?


I've seen in previous thread of yours that you have referenced Nature as being Source, do you consider us to be a part of nature or something aside from that?
And...if Nature is source, do you believe that every nature being has a soul and do you extend this to plant life? eg. trees? flowers, funghi

When we die I'm not fully sure what happens, maybe an afterlife, maybe nothing for some people. who knows. But I have gathered we eventually incarnate again in another form after we die. I do not buy we are stuck in some Archon reincarnation prison matrix. That does not account for balance and the benevolent side's existence and presence.

I do think we cannot just incarnate in another races genetics by just showing up there randomly as a disembodied spirit and choosing to incarnate in an ET race. That isn't how it works IMHO. I think there is exopolitical order to reincarnation and you have to be approved to incarnate in an advanced ET race.

As for source, I extend source soul energy to all biological life. All biological life has soul IMO. It takes a soul for consciousness in my understanding. I believe soul has an "ascension" process(one of the real ascension processes) and that is what I call Incarnational Ascension. This could involve being born as a bacteria, after growing some being put in plantlife. then thing like insects, and on to bigger forms. And the apex of biological forms on earth is human IMO(not counting ET life), i guess there would be an argument for whales or dolphins too but they do not have the ability to grasp all the subjects we do.

So once you have graduated all the forms of nature, and grown a good bit, you incarnate in a human body, and take on decoding reality and finding yourself.

So yes, I believe fungi, plantkind, bacteria, and all biological life has a soul. And soul is basically our connection to source. Personally I find "merging back with source" as new age disinformation. Merging back with source, to me, means you no longer exist. Because we did not exist before "source" "created" us IMO.

I wrote an article on my theory on how souls are created(with an atheistic paradigm) here:
http://omnisense.blogspot.com/2015/0...t-soul-is.html

And yes, my belief is nature is source.

Thanks for that


I just had a couple of other questions pop up in my head after reading several other posters threads.

I hope you don't mind me asking, I really enjoy hearing your perceptions/theories/thoughts and I am a rather curious cat about all things

There were a few mentions regarding enlightenment sprinkled throughout this thread.

After reading your blog post on the soul, what do you believe to be an enlightened society would embody?

And...what is your concept of the term "enlightenment'?

Also, in your opinion Omni, what is the difference between multidimensional and interdimensional if any? or, do you consider these interchangeable?

And last but not least here: What do you consider to be the true nature of reality?

[Michelle Marie]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Joey (here)
I appreciate your contributon Greybeard and I really believe this is heartfelt. But personally I think if one wants to be empowerd from their own fractile aspect of this universe, even oneness must step aside for a moment. Oneness may be the root where we all stem from. But in the bigger picture of our earthly state, it may be very necessary to leave the cosy womb of oneness and step with your feet in the blood colored dirth of our current earthly situation.

The fire we carry in us is definetly able to transform.

I see where you are coming from Joey but the enlightened are not passive--inactive--inert---they act without ego and that is the secret of it---no ego means right action automatically happens.
In that "state" compassion reigns.
That is the true fire we carry within.

Best wishes
Chris

Well said. My first inner response was: where did the "no work" thing come in?

It's a conscious change in attention direction, and conscious direction and re-direction of inner faculties. Conscious development of inner technologies.

Words or agreement doesn't matter. To each their own -- developmental evolution or lack thereof.

There is space for all perspectives; inclusive unconditional love results.

Myriad paths...unique souls. It's all beautiful.

Loving All,
MM

[Omni]

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[Constance]

Thank you Omni - Great to hear your responses and much love to you

[greybeard]

If I am to believe the accounts of the enlightened and I do.
(This applies to everyone)
I was not created, I existed before Universes and will exist after they have dissolved.

The process leading to enlightenment is "Not This, Not This" a process of elimination.
I am not the body not the name, not the persona ---all these come and go. I am eternal.
No concepts, no belief systems.

Simple.

Hope this is helpful.

Chris

[Omni]

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[Arcturian108]

I have read and absorbed most of this thread because I agree with Omniverse that when I hear others speak of "Ascension", I feel some immediate turn-off. It is as though that person's awful body odor just reached my nose. I haven't been able to exactly pinpoint why I have had this feeling, but I have some tentative thoughts on the subject. One is that I have been a meditation instructor for 40 years, and my Eastern spiritual master never once mentioned the concept of "Ascension" although he often spoke of the physical reality of human enlightenment. In other words, the Ascension concept has a faddish, ahistorical aspect to it.
And since I am a student of Western religious and cultural history, it is very clear to me how the term "Ascension" became glorified. It completes the idea that we co-create with God, and are gods in our own right. This has been a developing thread for the past 500 years in Western history's emphasis on the individual. Thus if we are all gods, and if one was raised as a Christian (which I was not), then the logical conclusion is that we must "ascend" like Christ ascended on the third day after his Crucifixion. This is why the concept would be so charming to Western Christians, but leave others on the planet scratching their heads.

[Morbid]

very interesting thread. all i can say is that i agree with what been mostly mentioned here. very wide spectrum opinions here. if i may, would be lovely to present an extra angle to this whole division thing happening here. can only think of one analogy though:

i often like listening to a very complex and perhaps atmospherical deep music that is not easy to comprehend for untrained ear. though i wasnt always into it. you see, dark psychedelic progressive trance is a highly developed genre which essentialy takes its origins from goa trance roots back in nineties when it was rather basic and primitive. then more accessible and ear-friendly full-on psy trance genre followed in 2000s which brought a lot of new listeners myself included.
now i cant bare that music as it sounds too simplistic and popish in a way. my being is more keen towards advanced sound recently which stimulates other parts of my expanding imagination. though at the end of the day i also fully appreciate full-on psytrance for what its done, as it served its important purpose to get me where i am at this space in time.
omni, i totally appreciate your opinion about new age mind control etc. but perhaps its fair to consider that it could partially serve its useful purpose to get mass conditioned minds into sort of first phase of awakening process through brain. after certain pitfalls and lessons learned within that new age field, then these same slightly deprogrammed minds might choose whether they wish to experience how deep the rabbit hole goes or live a life of bliss and ignorance..
i believe that we all have different tasks within our incarnation. some of us are not here to "know" - beyond here, we "know" anyway. some perhaps choose to just "live" as "knowing" is not what they are here for.
what you do is correct and i completely support your work as you help those who are on your level of development. but in my honest opinion i also believe that the new age flower power doodly awwa movement crowd is equally correct as they help those who are parhaps a school grade lower than you are.
surely the movement got corrupted over the years by the powers that be, but it also applies to everything else ever created in history..
so.. just let it be! maybe there is a place under the sun for most things out there.

peace and love.

[Constance]

Posted by Morbid (here)
very interesting thread. all i can say is that i agree with what been mostly mentioned here. very wide spectrum opinions here. if i may, would be lovely to present an extra angle to this whole division thing happening here. can only think of one analogy though:

i often like listening to a very complex and perhaps atmospherical deep music that is not easy to comprehend for untrained ear. though i wasnt always into it. you see, dark psychedelic progressive trance is a highly developed genre which essentialy takes its origins from goa trance roots back in nineties when it was rather basic and primitive. then more accessible and ear-friendly full-on psy trance genre followed in 2000s which brought a lot of new listeners myself included.
now i cant bare that music as it sounds too simplistic and popish in a way. my being is more keen towards advanced sound recently which stimulates other parts of my expanding imagination. though at the end of the day i also fully appreciate full-on psytrance for what its done, as it served its important purpose to get me where i am at this space in time.
omni, i totally appreciate your opinion about new age mind control etc. but perhaps its fair to consider that it could partially serve its useful purpose to get mass conditioned minds into sort of first phase of awakening process through brain. after certain pitfalls and lessons learned within that new age field, then these same slightly deprogrammed minds might choose whether they wish to experience how deep the rabbit hole goes or live a life of bliss and ignorance..
i believe that we all have different tasks within our incarnation. some of us are not here to "know" - beyond here, we "know" anyway. some perhaps choose to just "live" as "knowing" is not what they are here for.
what you do is correct and i completely support your work as you help those who are on your level of development. but in my honest opinion i also believe that the new age flower power doodly awwa movement crowd is equally correct as they help those who are parhaps a school grade lower than you are.
surely the movement got corrupted over the years by the powers that be, but it also applies to everything else ever created in history..
so.. just let it be! maybe there is a place under the sun for most things out there.

peace and love.

I hear you Morbid

If one goes in at a level where the other can feel the highest truth for where they are at, you have more of a chance of reaching them at the next level.

Once someone has some basic realisations, it opens up a whole new realm of possibilities that can be built upon.

It is foundational. Build a strong foundation and you can then start the framing process. (I like to think in terms of building because we just finished building a house)

Even if you have to knock down the house and start all over again because the foundations are faulty, maybe you are that one step closer to building a rock solid home.

You can start all over again with the knowledge that you have some tools and some experience. You have dipped your toes in the water and there may be the inspiration to start building again in a way you may not have even thought of before.

I always think of Mooji as an example. He is loved by many because his messages are very simple and profound.

He offers the masses what he knows they can take in as the highest truth for where they are at. The role he plays as a realised being is very important.

If we were to shut the door on the roles that many have played, so many would miss out on the opportunity to have a starting point. It is a part of the game of life and the true essence in the diversity of the cosmos.

We are all equal - We all have that enlightened point within, it just needs something to coax it out and who knows what it might be relative to that individual?

Apparently, many moons ago, I said something to a friend that changed her entire life. I don't even have the slightest recollection of what I said, but she does. Apparently, it was something to do with Ying and Yang.

She told me that what I shared with her was so profound. She said that she had never heard anything like that before but that for her, it was like a turning point.

It opened her up to all these possibilities and realms that she never thought imaginable.

I can honestly say that I didn't even realise that I had planted a seed that would bloom and flourish so beautifully.

[Chester]

Posted by breal (here)
Omni, just to clarify something - could you please reveal to us what you think happens to us once we die?

I have a thought - what if... after one dies, what one experiences is altogether different than what another experiences?

Could that be possible?

If not, why not?

[bettye198]

I don't think anyone knows what in the world Ascension is truly. But the aspects of it made a lot of money in seminars! If we view this as simply raising our frequencies, which in turn activate and raise our DNA vibration, we can exit this place to another venue instead of taking the roller coaster ride of reincarnation and becoming energy fuel for the dark. I honestly have come to believe that DNA = ability to move through different dimensions. So if we are historically trapped in a DNA lockdown, we can work through meditations and visualizations to raise that frequency in order to adjust our traveling apparatus, moving out of the lower vibration dimensions.

[lake]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
What humans call 'good' and 'evil' is determined by the effect which some action or confrontation has on their persona… their ego… their level of consciousness. What is 'evil' for some may even be 'good' for another… and what is 'good' for some may actually be 'evil' for others… living proof that 'good' and 'evil' only exists in the world of the ignorant.

Hi.

Whilst I could be in a limited agreement with a greater percentage of your posts, I find the above quoted text difficult within the manner it is written.
So I would ask you to please expand upon it mainly with regard to your understanding of the interaction between good and evil verses right and wrong.

From my perspective, yes I can agree that there is no good nor evil but there is right and wrong.
A moral dilemma.
Now for the greater mass, morals are defined by society, which is defined by governance.
Which of course means that the general populous has never considered what is right or wrong. They have no moral compass of their own, this as you know is why wars can be fought, because the 'foot soldier' exists by another's definition of morality.

So before I 'go off on one', could you please expand?

Thanks in advance.

[Finefeather]

Posted by lake (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
What humans call 'good' and 'evil' is determined by the effect which some action or confrontation has on their persona… their ego… their level of consciousness. What is 'evil' for some may even be 'good' for another… and what is 'good' for some may actually be 'evil' for others… living proof that 'good' and 'evil' only exists in the world of the ignorant.

Hi.

Whilst I could be in a limited agreement with a greater percentage of your posts, I find the above quoted text difficult within the manner it is written.
So I would ask you to please expand upon it mainly with regard to your understanding of the interaction between good and evil verses right and wrong.

From my perspective, yes I can agree that there is no good nor evil but there is right and wrong.
A moral dilemma.
Now for the greater mass, morals are defined by society, which is defined by governance.
Which of course means that the general populous has never considered what is right or wrong. They have no moral compass of their own, this as you know is why wars can be fought, because the 'foot soldier' exists by another's definition of morality.

So before I 'go off on one', could you please expand?

Thanks in advance.

Morality is the epitome of good and evil… or right and wrong.
You can replace any of these 4 words within the moral boundaries of the moralist.

Most humans live their lives between these boundaries and whatever these boundaries are, to anyone, is basically their idea of morality.

Morality, however, has no place in the higher realms and thinking of those who have realised the restriction which good and evil… or right and wrong… plays in their lives.

Humans have... during their long period so far in the human kingdom... been subjected to all types of experiences.

Some of these experiences have been judged, by them, to be pleasant and some not so pleasant.

In the case of a pleasant experience… which may not necessarily be pleasant for another,,, it might be seen as some lucky day or even some reward for what they believe they may have earned.

In the case of an unpleasant experience… which may not necessarily be unpleasant for another,,, it is usually seen as some external force interfering with their life… and they might wonder what they did to deserve it.

In actual fact and according to laws of life everything that happens to us… if we believe it or not… is a result of our own doing… even extreme acts where people are murdered or severely injured… or those more pleasant ones where we suddenly win a million… is an act of law in the cosmos.

Every action we take has an equal and opposite reaction which may not be realised in our current life but in some future life… so when… say… a bad thing happens to us out of the blue it is usually not realised that it is a reaping of past actions.

The law of karma… or the law of sowing and reaping… is a very real thing.

So those who are stuck within moral boundaries will judge these experiences in accordance with their own chosen scale between 'good' and 'evil'… or right and wrong.

Now the truth of the matter is that advanced beings from higher worlds do not see good and evil… or right and wrong… anywhere near what humans see it as.

To the advanced being there is only one method of judging the experiences we have as humans… and that is by determination of the growth in consciousness which has taken place as a result of the experience… be it good or evil… right or wrong.

So in actual fact bad experiences could be seen in a positive light in that once they have run there course we could say with a smile on our faces that… “at least that's done now… one less bad bit of karma”

So finally... to answer you when you say "there is right and wrong"... I would say that anything which advances consciousness growth is right... or good... and anything which restricts consciousness growth is wrong... or evil... you can pick your word yourself.

Of course the next thing you may want to know is "What is consciousness growth"... because it certainly has nothing to do with how much you have studied or read about in your current life... but everything to do with the power of thinking causally... which can only come from personal experience and wisdom over many lifetimes of trial and error.

This is proof again that these 4 words have different meanings to different people and so by relating them to an individual's moral boundaries they often become meaningless in the bigger scheme.

Take care
Ray

[Apophenia]

I am very much in agreement with Omniverse that the 'Ascended Masters' appear to be a PSYOP of the New Age group, and I believe it was stated in other threads at different points in time that the New Age movement itself was likely incubated as an idea by various secret socities and/or intelligence groups.

Couching spirituality into a specific camp of thought that only accepts 'love and light' is a highly mundane and seemingly antiquated perspective, not to mention that it promotes spiritual ideas that engage in selective thinking by proposing that old human bias of a dualistic, black and white morality; a precept of our flawed attempt at civilization, and that has no doubt been used by our fellow brothers and sisters to justify tyrannizing each other; fills me with apathy and at times makes me feel a bit sick when reading it. We ascribe too much to the idea that since we survive and thrive on the functional basis of these ideas, then that is the only kind of civilization around, and all this does is underscore how narrow-minded we are, and that certain peoples heads are firmly planted up their posteriors when they genuinely believe this, and see nothing else.

Then again, I will also give voice to aspects I disagree with. Relying on the notion of 'polarities' that exist between ET groups is something I don't find palatable, since it smacks too much of the same mindset and influence that people in the above-mentioned categories readily subscribe, and a little too hastily, I might add. Yes, the Ancient Egyptians held a kind of dualistic worldview, though it was the kind that accepted that 'good' and 'evil' existed in harmony and were necessary, up until around the New Kingdom period where the 'good' was more emphasized, and took on a more imperialistic and aggressive tone; something their Sumerian and Hittite occupiers had been abusing for millennia.

The fact ET groups are labelled this way is taken from Theosophical and New Age groups, who cherry pick and supposit ancient mythological stories involving a warrior or savior defeating a dragon or serpent entity, which is juxtaposed into a modern UFO setting. Frankly, if the stories themselves were anything more than archetypal, in that they were depicting real events; then why is it we are still under the jackboot and iron-fist of these same entities in the present? Never had this satisfactorily addressed.

Worth pointing out that a fear-driven narrative is also a form of PSYOP or meme that may not necessarily be self-evident, or potentially misinterpreted for a specious agenda.

[lake]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Morality, however, has no place in the higher realms and thinking of those who have realised the restriction which good and evil… or right and wrong… plays in their lives.

Posted by Finefeather (here)

In actual fact and according to laws of life everything that happens to us… if we believe it or not… is a result of our own doing… even extreme acts where people are murdered or severely injured… or those more pleasant ones where we suddenly win a million… is an act of law in the cosmos.

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Now the truth of the matter is that advanced beings from higher worlds do not see good and evil… or right and wrong… anywhere near what humans see it as.

I cannot see any joy within the above references contained in your post .... i'm sorry.
Sadly what I see in your reply, for which I thank you, is the above! None of which I hold dear to me.
It is though, as I would expect due to my opinion of this place at this time.
As can be read here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...91#post1016291

You state a place which only allows karma. That follows my thoughts of an indoctrination within this time. The lack of empathy seems to me rather strong and through that I would hold any "higher" awareness fully accountable for this harm (you call it karma) caused.

How do you know that an awareness here wasn't a paragon of virtue in ALL past 'loops'?
Man made indoctrination of guilt so as to further this landscape for another!
But that is my current limited perception.

[Omni]

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[Apophenia]

A fundamental question overlooked is if objective morality exists on any universal level, then why are events continuing at all the way they are? If there is a purely benevolent force at work to creation, then the all important question an ancient Greek philosopher once asked is; whence cometh evil?

I never believed or accepted the idea that the ET struggle is some equally balanced fairy tale where a hair split can push things either way, which I can find all too prevalent in the UFO field, the Ascended Masters group, etc... that or they claim its the negative group on the inferior technological side... and that is apparently the only possibilities.

If reality is grounded in dualism, then whatever created said reality is itself a contrast, or at least transcends all the contrasts it created; meaning the infinite entity is amoral, which implicates that the point I was making about the bigger picture, aliens or no aliens, is that if morality exists, then it exists as this through everything. No exceptions. The alternative answer is that it doesn't exist, period.

I would argue that the only rule that does exist across reality is that there are no rules, otherwise it becomes difficult to try and rationalize the existence of 'light and dark' in a moral sense, and simply because it exists in a material sense, does not mean it exists in an ethical sense.

This is where, despite whatever experience one may have, the argument that ETs can be conveniently labeled as such becomes immediately, and absolutely absurd. If these Grey/Reptile and similar entities are mainly 4D with 5D in the mix, and the benevolent group are 6D+, then what is stopping them from intervening on humanities behalf and ending what is going on?

The answers for this boil down to a handful of uncomfortable reasons, which I elaborated on in another thread. Simply put, the reason they aren't intervening fits into the following:

- Incapability to stop what is going on. (they are not as powerful as they claim to be)
- Unwillingness to stop what is going on. (they are indifferent or even possibly malevolent)
- The information received is propaganda. (then we don't have the full facts on what is actually going on, therefore it can never be objective)
- The good guys are actually working with the bad guys. (see the second option)
- One or more parties actually do not exist. (see third option, except that makes the discussion even more irrelevant)

Now while we don't have a complete understanding of how dimensions work, in the real world, and from our perspective; these entities either have choices in which they can make it stop, or they don't possess free will, in which case they are puppets or AI for something bigger, which yet again completely undermines the case made for 'good' vs 'evil' in its present form.

I'll put it like this, lets say the highest dimensional good guys are in charge of a police station, and represent its top brass or management, and they then decide to tacitly allow, or possibly hire the services of officers who are corrupt or claimed to be evil. On the one hand, one section of the department is doing wonderful things in its community, and on the other, the corrupt group is going around and reversing the good of what is being done.

An inquiry is made by legal teams to ascertain just why it is a law enforcement agency is engaging in such duplicitous actions, and when interviewing the head of the police, when asked why they are morally letting people under their leadership to commit evil acts, the response given is:

"Free will."
"We can't intervene, because the victims of these crimes would be a burden to us."
"The creation of these 'malevolent entities' was an accident by one of us, so that totally explains away everything now and you shouldn't inquire any further."

You come to two very distinct conclusions at this point:

1) The upper leadership lose their positions and are replaced, same goes for the corrupt officers underneath.
2) Nothing changes, because one quickly realizes it isn't just that one station, but the entire world in which it operates is in cahoots with it, or unable to do anything, or indifferent to what is going on.

Any acts done in the physical or spiritual plane do not negate either probability, because one can act in either scenario in a friendly manner, without actually doing anything about the overall problem... or even potentially being a backstabber given the right circumstances.

This is why the entire narrative is absurd, it is taking a 3D mythological conception and plastering it across the 4th, 5th, 6th, and dimensions beyond, without any question about how accurate or feasible it is in the grand scheme of things.

This doesn't even touch on far more radical possibilities, like the fact the reptilians or the demiurge may actually be responsible for the overwhelming majority of our positive output, and not just our conveniently cherry picked negative activities that the narrative runs with. If that is the case, and they are more powerful than they let on, then the people who are engaging on this path are being tricked by a level of warfare more frightening and ultimately exists beyond any present conceptions we have, and which can manifest itself in so many levels and possibilities that the entire process becomes borderline nullified.

Just my two cents.

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Omniverse do you have an opinion on the veri-chip or RFID and its role in what might be the "afterlife" ? Is there an afterlife for those who have this technology embedded in them? Or are they doomed