+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 23

Thread: Disinformation and Disinformers

  1. Link to Post #1
    United States Avalon Member Fanna's Avatar
    Join Date
    5th August 2015
    Location
    Washington
    Age
    37
    Posts
    349
    Thanks
    1,450
    Thanked 1,753 times in 330 posts

    Default Disinformation and Disinformers

    My path has taken me to a lot of places of what everyone is calling disinformation. Mind control, psy ops, whatever you want to call it, I've been digging through pretty much everything just trying to pull tight threads that cause other things to fall down.

    I came across a LIST of disinformers from the Wholly Science website. I don't necessarily prescribe to all of these persons being Wholly disinforming, but I notice threads and ties that I'm continuing to pull on.

    Please forgive me if I'm decades behind all of you guys, I don't need a lecture, I'm just looking to make some sense out of all of it with my own hands. If anyone has anyOne to add or subtract from this list OR just wanna throw in your thoughts on disinformation being a thing, this is the thread for you.

    ¤=[Post Update]=¤

    Here is the list as his site doesn't link to anything but the top page.

    Quote Disinformers

    This PateoPedia page unmasks disinformers with respect to news, spirituality, and science (in alphabetic ordering of the surname). These disinformers play (unconsciously) the role of controlled opposition. The intention of this webpage is not to condemn these disinformers; it is solely to warn you to not digest their false information.

    Kevin Annet [7]
    Kevin D. Annet (1956), also known as Kevin McNamee-Annett, is a defrocked United Church of Canada minister. He came up with the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State. This ITCCS is just a one-man weblog that pretends to be a tribunal established to enforce common law. Despite claims of being based in Brussels, the whole thing is written in Canada. He has authored three books about Canadian aboriginals: “Love and Death in the Valley”, “Hidden from History: The Canadian Holocaust”, and “Unrepentant: Disrobing the Emperor”.

    José Argüelles [6]
    Joseph Anthony Arguelles [99] (1939 January 24 – 2011 March 23) was a New Age author who invented the Dreamspell calendar by altering the genuine Mayan Tzol’kin calendar. He also invented the 13 moon calendar, and the so called “Day out of Time”. None of these inventions originated from the Maya.

    Greg Braden [9]
    Gregg Braden (born 1954 June 28 [8]) combines New Age fantasy with pseudo science.

    Deepak Chopra [13]
    Deepak Chopra was born on 1947 October 22. In his work, he contaminates Ayurveda with New Age pseudo spirituality.

    Eric Dubay [7]
    Eric Dubay came up with the absurd “Flat Earth Theory”.
    Website: Atlantean Conspiracy.com (link)

    Laura Eisenhower [3]
    Laura Magdalene Eisenhower [11] is the great granddaughter of the 34th USA president Dwight David Eisenhower [7] (1890 October 14 – 1969 March 28). Ike’s great granddaughter persists in pushing exopolitics into the alternative news media, without ever giving even the slightest proof for her absurd claims.

    Jacque Fresco [6]
    Jacque Fresco was born on 1916 March 13 [6]. As a dangerous promoter of transhumanism, he founded The Venus Project (website), which was promoted by the Zeitgeist movement (website). The purpose of both is to trick ignorant New Age believers into accepting in the merger between man and machine.

    Benjamin Fulford [6]
    Benjamin Fulford was born in 1961 in Canada. He lives in Japan. He always talks about the “gnostic illuminati” and the “cabal regime”. Apparently, he wants people to think bad about Gnosticism and the Qabalah. Nevertheless, Wholly Science acknowledges the truth in both.
    Website: Benjamin Fulford.net (link)

    Steven Greer [3]
    Steven Macon Greer was born on 1955 June 28. Whenever he talks about “disclosure”, he means “disinformation”.

    Nassim Haramein [9]
    Nassim Haramein was born on 1962 November 20 in Geneva, Switzerland. Though he certainly has a good sense of humor, his scientific work makes no sense at all. It was a huge blunder to include his false claims in the Thrive movie (video).
    Website: Resonance.is (link)

    Richard Hoagland [6]
    Richard Charles Hoagland [9] was born on 1945 April 25 [3]. As he makes all sort of ludicrous claims about alien life on Luna, all his other claims become doubtful.
    Website: EnterpriseMission.com (link)

    Kent Hovind [5]
    Kent E. Hovind [1] was born on 1953 January 15. He did a great job with proving the theory of evolution between species wrong. He also falsified many other false claims of scientism. However, he is so desperate to proof the literal interpretation of Genesis 1 right, that he himself became a huge disinformer. His claim that nothing can be older then about 6000 years is completely wrong. Furthermore, he pretends to have a PhD degree by calling himself Dr. Hovind while he in fact does not have any scientific degree at all. He also calls himself “Dr. Dino”. Since January 2007, he is “serving” a ten-year prison sentence.
    Website: CreationToday.org (link)

    David Icke [5]
    David Vaughan Icke [7] was born on 1952 April 29 [5]. His role is to blow up parts of the truth to absurd proportions. When then later these ludicrous exaggerations are falsified, many people will also dismiss the true aspects underneath it. For instance, he claims that Luna is not a real moon, but a hollow alien space station. In 2013, Icke raised 2 million USA dollars in order to launch The People’s Voice (link). Instead of giving the people a real voice, he robbed the people of their savings.
    Website: DavidIcke.com (link)

    John Major Jenkins [6]
    John Major Jenkins (born in 1964) falsely claimed that there would be a so-called galactic alignment in the year 2012 (CE). However, a full cycle up and down the galactic plane takes about 64 million years. In reality, our solar system crossed that galactic middle line about 2 million years ago, which makes Jenkins’ claim off by 30 million years.

    Alex Jones [33]
    Alexander Emerick Jones [13] was born on 1974 February 11 [7]. He is a Zionist shill. As a squeaker, his only role is to cause disturbance. He is not only married to an Ashkenazi Jew, his radio show is also sponsored by at least 34 Ashkenazi Jews. Probably, the original Alexander Emerick Jones was replaced at the end of the previous century by the CIA agent nowadays known as Alex Jones (video).
    Website: Infowars.com (link)

    Mehran Keshe [8]
    Mehran Tavakoli Keshe [9] was born in Iranian capital of Teheran on 1958 August 2. He has made all sorts of claims, including to be able to make gold, but he never delivered any proof. He also claims to be the Messiah (link). The website Keshe Facts.org (link) contains information provided by individuals who have been harmed in any way by him.

    Lilou Mace [1]
    Lilou Mace was born in 1977 August 20. She created a popular platform for New Age nonsense.

    Marshall Masters [8]
    Marshall Masters claims that there is an addition planet (or celestial body) in our solar system named Nibiru, just like Zecharia Sitchin did (see below). In reality, Nibiru was one of the Sumerian names for Venus when she had a comet-like orbit in the years after 2500 BCE.

    Terrence McKenna [5]
    Terrence McKenna (1946 November 16 – 2000 April 3) admitted later in his life to have been a CIA disinformation agent.

    Drunvalo Melchizedek [1]
    Drunvalo Melchizedek (1941) claims to be a so-called “walk in”. He abused ancient indigenous wisdom and current indigenous leaders to promote his own New Age nonsense claims (proof).

    Zecharia Sitchin [9]
    Zecharia Sitchin (1920 July 11 [3] – 2010 October 9 [4]) translated ancient cuneiform texts written on clay tablets by the Sumerian into English (video). However, Wholly Science explains the depiction on cylinder seal VA 243 strongly different than Sitchin did (link). Most likely, Sitchin, who was a high-ranked freemason, led humanity astray by his fudge of Nibiru as an additional celestial body.

    George Soros [8]
    George Soros was born on 1930 August 12 [6] as György Schwartz [8] in Hungary. He is the typical wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is the financier of the global disinformation organization named Avaaz, launched in January 2007.
    Website: Avaaz.org (link)

    Sacha Stone
    Sacha Adams-Stone likes to see himself as a New Age guru. In reality, he is working for the Jesuits. He also has a malfunctioning short-term memory, which is probably a side effect of mind-controlling him. All his projects, like New Earth Nation, the Humanitad Foundation, and the International Tribunal for Natural Justice (ITNJ), are contributing to the very opposite of what is proclaimed, as these projects are in reality all about the further enslavement of humanity.
    Websites: Humanitad (website), New Earth Nation (website), ITNJ (link)

    Michael Tellinger
    Michael Tellinger violated the main principle of Ubuntu numerous times. This principle is “If it is not good for everyone, it is not good at all”. His so-called “Ubuntu Village” is just a restaurant and a bar in the town of Waterval Boven. He does not own a Non Profit Organization. All the money he gets through sponsoring ends up in his own pocket. He has done nothing for the people of Waterval Boven.
    His claim on the age of the Johan Heine Stone Calendar is absurd and completely fictitious. In reality, this stone circle was created in 3100 BCE. His claim that he discovered this stone circle is also false, and since he stole artifacts from this place for his own museum, he is no longer allowed to visit this ancient site.
    He took a lot of material for his books from other people without even mentioning or paying them. Anyone who asks him specific questions about his books therefore always get the standard answer “Read my books” since he does not know the answer himself.
    Website: MichaelTellinger.com (link)

    Eckhart Tolle [13]
    Ulrich Leonard Tolle [6] was born on 1948 February 16 [13] in Germany, now living in Canada. He was deliberately launched via the Oprah Winfrey Show in order to revive the New Age religion.

    Jesse Ventura [6]
    James George Janos was born on 1951 July 15 [2]. His stage name is Jesse Ventura. Knowingly or unknowingly, he is New World Order shill.

    Neale Donald Walsch [9]
    Neale Donald Walsch was born on 1943 September 10. He became a New Age guru who does not have any real understanding of God.

    David Wilcock [8]
    David Wilcock was born in 1973 March 8 [13]. In his work, he combines the fiction from scientism with the delusions from New Age. He claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce [9] (1877 March 18 [8] – 1945 January 3 [5]).
    Website: Divine Cosmos.com (link)

    Dan Winter [9]
    Daniel E. Winter has been accused of plagiarism and of practicing junk science (link, link). Among his websites are FractalField.com (link) and GoldenMean.info (link).
    Last edited by Fanna; 7th November 2015 at 18:56. Reason: Forgot link to his site
    ♪ ~Blessed are the Cracked~ ♪
    ♪ ~For they let in the Light~ ♪

  2. The Following 18 Users Say Thank You to Fanna For This Post:

    AngelEyes (7th December 2015), betoobig (7th December 2015), Bill Ryan (7th November 2015), Cara (9th December 2015), Chester (5th August 2016), ErtheVessel (7th November 2015), Flowerpunkchip (7th December 2015), happyuk (8th November 2015), JChombre (7th November 2015), Karpos (7th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), moekatz (7th November 2015), mojo (7th November 2015), Nasu (7th November 2015), Rocky_Shorz (7th November 2015), Shannon (7th November 2015), wnlight (7th November 2015), Zionbrion (7th November 2015)

  3. Link to Post #2
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    38,786
    Thanks
    277,827
    Thanked 516,205 times in 37,323 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Quote Posted by Fanna (here)

    I came across a LIST of disinformers from the Wholly Science website.

    [ ... ]

    Here is the list as his site doesn't link to anything but the top page.
    Here's a direct link to his [interesting!] list:
    http://pateo.nl/PateoPedia/Disinformers.htm

    Note, without commenting on any of the individuals mentioned, that some 'disinfomers' can simply be relaying false or partly-false information that they sincerely believe to be true. Others, of course, are very well aware that their information is misleading.

    This happens a very great deal in the alternative media, and the real list of people who publish inaccurate information — sometimes with the very best intentions — is an extremely long one.

  4. The Following 23 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    betoobig (7th December 2015), Chester (5th August 2016), Clear Light (7th November 2015), ErtheVessel (7th November 2015), Flowerpunkchip (7th December 2015), fourty-two (8th November 2015), gord (7th November 2015), Heart-2-Heart (7th November 2015), Ioneo (8th November 2015), JChombre (7th November 2015), Karpos (7th November 2015), Lancet (8th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), moekatz (7th November 2015), mojo (7th November 2015), Nasu (7th November 2015), Rocky_Shorz (7th November 2015), seah (7th November 2015), Shannon (9th November 2015), Snoweagle (7th November 2015), TargeT (7th December 2015), wnlight (7th November 2015), Woody (7th November 2015)

  5. Link to Post #3
    Canada Avalon Member Fellow Aspirant's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th July 2011
    Location
    Kingston, Ontario
    Age
    75
    Posts
    1,104
    Thanks
    6,038
    Thanked 5,605 times in 1,003 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Yes, I've looked this site over (Wholly Science) and have come to the conclusion that the author is himself biased beyond any reason. His dismissive take on some of the most important truth tellers today reveals his ignorance and his self-imposed (?) role as a hitman. Where is his proof? While I think that some of the folks on his list are charlatans, some are purveyors of truth. But which are which?

    As such, I consider his list to be a huge source of disinformation. Good collection of names to start your research with, though.

    Investigating such claims is the duty of everyone who 'quests'.

    Here's a useful posting (from this forum) that can be used to categorize informers and their information:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-pole-reversal

    Have fun!

    Brian
    Last edited by Fellow Aspirant; 7th November 2015 at 20:12.
    A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest—a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

    Albert E.

  6. The Following 21 Users Say Thank You to Fellow Aspirant For This Post:

    Becky (7th November 2015), betoobig (7th December 2015), Cara (9th December 2015), Fanna (7th November 2015), fourty-two (8th November 2015), gord (7th November 2015), gripreaper (7th November 2015), happyuk (8th November 2015), JRS (8th November 2015), Lancelot (9th November 2015), Lancet (8th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), mojo (7th November 2015), Morbid (8th November 2015), Nasu (7th November 2015), NeedleThreader (7th November 2015), Octavusprime (9th November 2015), poetbil (8th November 2015), Twelve (10th November 2015), Wind (7th November 2015), wnlight (7th November 2015)

  7. Link to Post #4
    UK Avalon Member Clear Light's Avatar
    Join Date
    8th September 2015
    Age
    55
    Posts
    1,007
    Thanks
    1,816
    Thanked 5,312 times in 951 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Hmmmm ... if he were to point you in the direction of your own Inner Truth then I'd probably give him the time of day, but he doesn't !

    What he seems to promote is the idea that he's studied everything worth studying and has come up with a (his) solution to everybody's problems !

    Now anyone who claims "I became the most all-round scientist of this age" needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt ... right ?

  8. The Following 16 Users Say Thank You to Clear Light For This Post:

    Becky (7th November 2015), betoobig (7th December 2015), Constance (7th November 2015), ErtheVessel (7th November 2015), Fanna (7th November 2015), Fellow Aspirant (8th November 2015), Flowerpunkchip (7th December 2015), genevieve (8th November 2015), happyuk (8th November 2015), Lancelot (9th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), mojo (7th November 2015), Nasu (7th November 2015), Reinhard (9th November 2015), Rocky_Shorz (7th November 2015), Songmuze (9th November 2015)

  9. Link to Post #5
    UK Avalon Member Becky's Avatar
    Join Date
    21st October 2013
    Age
    55
    Posts
    825
    Thanks
    6,276
    Thanked 5,069 times in 775 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    He's summed up people who have gone out on a limb to give us info and enabled us to broaden our horizons. And he's dismissed them flippantly with one liners.
    Yes, people do seem to mix info with disinfo, and some people are less accurate than others But i'm barely giving his summations the briefest of glances as they are literally suggesting we throw the baby out with the bath water. I think that people tend to come to their own conclusions anyway after going into these topics and these 'whistleblowers' info in detail.
    Having said this, I do agree with some of his points and have dismissed some of these peoples teachings of my own accord. Eventually the truth will out...
    Last edited by Becky; 7th November 2015 at 20:30.

  10. The Following 17 Users Say Thank You to Becky For This Post:

    betoobig (7th December 2015), Cara (9th December 2015), Clear Light (7th November 2015), Ernie Nemeth (8th November 2015), Fanna (7th November 2015), Flowerpunkchip (7th December 2015), genevieve (8th November 2015), gripreaper (7th November 2015), happyuk (8th November 2015), heyokah (7th November 2015), JChombre (7th November 2015), Lancelot (9th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), mojo (7th November 2015), Nasu (7th November 2015), Snoweagle (7th November 2015), Wind (7th November 2015)

  11. Link to Post #6
    United States Avalon Member gripreaper's Avatar
    Join Date
    2nd January 2011
    Posts
    3,979
    Thanks
    9,625
    Thanked 29,694 times in 3,744 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Quote LIST of disinformers from the Wholly Science website.
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    without commenting on any of the individuals mentioned
    I will:

    Kevin Annet: the whole sovereignty movement, Common Law movement and patriot movement all started out with good intentions, to expose government corruption and the bankster shenanigan’s and how we are all slaves to the Babylonian Bankster system. Kevin Annet did bring to light many of the tenets relevant to this truth. Has it been co-opted? Most definitely. Did Kevin get caught up in it? Most likely.

    José Argüelles: Yea, he started out at the very beginnings of what could be called the New Age movement. Back then, we were all trying to access the higher Siddhis powers and go against the established powers. Did he sell out? I don’t know. The awakening which was occurring as more people opened up to their internal power, was certainly co-opted.

    Greg Braden: When he went to Tibet and looked at the ancient scrolls, one of the few, other than Tom Kenyon, who actually came back and spoke of the historical references still hidden way up in the Himalayas, tens of thousands of year old scrolls, and how the truth as we have been taught is a total lie, resonated with me. Loved his “Isaiah Effect”. Much of the science of the quantum makes sense to me and how it relates to spirituality.

    Deepak Chopra: Don’t really know. Was not attracted to anything he did or said.

    Eric Dubay: Who?

    Laura Eisenhower: Interesting story. The whole “Mars” idea of colonization outposts, jump rooms, and the like doesn’t seem like that much of a stretch to me, it seems almost plausible and believable given the “Breakaway Civilization” and the hidden economy and technologies. What is most interesting is how fast Laura can talk and how coherent she can be. Most of it rings true.

    Jacque Fresco: Not interested.

    Benjamin Fulford: Ah, good old Ben, caught up in the counter dialectic, the Japanese Ninja’s going to take out the evil cabal and the prosperity packages, the wealth of the world rightfully returned to the people…. Sounds great, but although his heart may be in the right place, and he has shed some light on the illuni-naughties, and he builds a great dream, the two roads are still pretty divergent.

    Steven Greer: Not too attracted to his stuff. Disclosure? Well, don’t think any sentient beings out there would really want to have anything to do with a bunch of snot nosed kids running around the cosmos blowing sh1t up and killing each other. Maybe when we grow up a bit.

    Nassim Haramein: I like his stuff. He is the only scientist that I have ever read who was able to explain the physics of the universe in layman's terms that I could understand.

    Richard Hoagland: great researcher. A little opportunistic? Yea, probably.

    Kent Hovind: Who?

    David Icke: You’re kidding, right? This man has done more to shed light on all things hidden in the last few decades than anyone else, save Jordan Maxwell.

    John Major Jenkins: There was an energetic shift in 2012, just not the major event that so many were looking for. Energetic shifts take time.

    Alex Jones: Stimulates the Adrenaline “fight or flight” response which gets people’s attention, but too much of it borders on fear porn. Great he is able to reach many people, but once you have your initial dose of Alex you don’t need the dosage anymore.

    Mehran Keshe: I don’t know… a lot of talk about free energy. He needs to listen to Wade Frazer and get a grip on how Godzilla really deals with new energy technologies.

    Lilou Mace: She did the unthinkable and just went out and started interviewing people. Yea, she’s a bit new agey and kinda all over the map but I like her.

    Marshall Masters: Not significant to mention.

    Terrence McKenna: Now there is a New Age pioneer. His opening up to the astral and all things psychedelic and spiritual was pretty leading edge at the time, and he made quite a bit of sense, but he ended up with guru status. A guru high on LSD has never been my cup of tea.

    Drunvalo Melchizedek: Most of his stuff makes sense to me. Whether he is a walk-in or not is immaterial, although the phenomenon is real.

    Zecharia Sitchin: He got most of it right too. Who else has pioneered exposing the nefarious nature and the long term nature of our ancient history? Did you even know about the ancient Sumerian tablets before Stichen? Really?

    George Soros: Not in the same league as any of the others. He is a true globalist psychopath and out to aggrandize himself and destroy everyone else.

    Sacha Stone: I like him. I don’t see anything out of whack here.

    Michael Tellinger: Really? I’ve met him and he is as true as the day is long.

    Eckhart Tolle: He had his awakening and he has opened up to his higher truth. We could learn from him.

    Jesse Ventura: Well, trying to work within the establishment as a Trojan Horse, getting caught up in the old paradigm while exposing the new paradigm, and making money at the same time. Lots of truth here but a mixture of both.

    Neale Donald Walsch: Never was attracted to his stuff. So he had conversations with God, I never sat in on them and I never needed anyone to talk to God for me.

    David Wilcock: Smart guy. Got caught up in the hype. Needed to find a way to make money off the new age and he succeeded. Too bad, I think he could have made a major contribution to the awakening, but lost it somewhere.

    Dan Winter: Like his stuff.

    So, in conclusion, I have taken from the smorgasbord of information brought out by all of these candidates and left that which I did not grok, understand, or care for, right where I found it. In the end, I made up my own mind and have no interest in shooting the messenger. I get sick and tired of those who want to drive a wedge and focus on the things which divide us and not on the things which unite us.

    There are many who should be mentioned who have done much to the awakening, such as Bill Cooper, Eustice Mullens, Russell Means, Michael Tsarion, Santos Bonacci, etc. Too numerous to mention them all, which includes YOU!

    And why I cant find thepainterdoug's thread where he paints whistleblowers I would like to link to this post.
    Last edited by gripreaper; 7th November 2015 at 21:26.
    "Lay Down Your Truth and Check Your Weapons
    The Next Voice You Hear Will Be Your OWN"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhS69C1tr0w

  12. The Following 44 Users Say Thank You to gripreaper For This Post:

    3(C)+me (7th November 2015), alh02 (7th November 2015), araucaria (9th November 2015), Becky (7th November 2015), betoobig (7th December 2015), Cara (9th December 2015), ceetee9 (7th December 2015), DeDukshyn (7th November 2015), Dennis Leahy (7th November 2015), Elisheva (9th November 2015), Ernie Nemeth (8th November 2015), Fanna (7th November 2015), Fellow Aspirant (8th November 2015), Feritciva (8th November 2015), Flowerpunkchip (7th December 2015), Franny (9th November 2015), genevieve (8th November 2015), greybeard (7th November 2015), happyuk (8th November 2015), Heart-2-Heart (7th November 2015), heyokah (7th November 2015), JChombre (7th November 2015), Karpos (7th November 2015), Lancelot (9th November 2015), Lancet (8th November 2015), Meggings (8th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), Morbid (8th November 2015), muxfolder (8th November 2015), Napping (9th November 2015), Nasu (7th November 2015), observer (7th November 2015), Octavusprime (9th November 2015), Reinhard (9th November 2015), Rocky_Shorz (7th November 2015), Snoweagle (7th November 2015), Songmuze (9th November 2015), Star Tsar (8th November 2015), TraineeHuman (9th November 2015), Twelve (10th November 2015), Wind (7th November 2015), wnlight (7th November 2015), Woody (7th November 2015), Zampano (8th November 2015)

  13. Link to Post #7
    United States (Rocky_Shorz passed away on 5 June 2021)
    Join Date
    15th March 2010
    Posts
    10,068
    Thanks
    12,891
    Thanked 32,308 times in 7,756 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    looks like a disinfo site pointing out to debunkers how to attack of the best of the best... one item to debunk everything they did or said after...

    Hey Bill did you see Sorcha mentioned... hint hint...

  14. Link to Post #8
    Canada Avalon Member seah's Avatar
    Join Date
    27th August 2015
    Location
    ON
    Age
    57
    Posts
    357
    Thanks
    766
    Thanked 1,488 times in 321 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    I disagree with some of the names on that list. In my opinion you would have to put your total trust in the composer of such a list, and that is a whole lot of trust to be placed blindly on one person. Personally, I am not willing to do that.

    As Bill Ryan mentioned above, no one person is the speaker of truth only. The truth is mixed between everything else. We must not throw the baby out with the bathwater, as they say. All disinformers, come forth with some truth, usually, easily recognizable, how else would they have any credibility?

    I notice some names on the list are there because they have worked tirelessly to expose a lie that the ptb want/need to continue; so their name makes the list simply to damage their reputation and reduce their credibility. This is the kind of thing that is done on a regular basis.
    “a complete understanding of reality lies beyond the capabilities of rational thought."
    ― Gary Zukav

  15. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to seah For This Post:

    betoobig (7th December 2015), Cara (9th December 2015), JChombre (7th November 2015), Lancelot (9th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), Nan (9th November 2015), Nasu (7th November 2015)

  16. Link to Post #9
    Scotland Avalon Member greybeard's Avatar
    Join Date
    17th March 2010
    Location
    Inverness-----Scotland
    Language
    English
    Age
    80
    Posts
    13,425
    Thanks
    32,724
    Thanked 69,361 times in 11,910 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    gripreaper had a good take on the people on the list
    I would only say/add that Eckhart Tolle had a no1 book (The Power of Now) on the New York best seller list long before appearing on Oprah.
    If people are going to knock others they should at least get their facts right.

    Chris
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

  17. The Following 15 Users Say Thank You to greybeard For This Post:

    Becky (8th November 2015), betoobig (7th December 2015), Cara (9th December 2015), DeDukshyn (7th November 2015), Fanna (7th November 2015), Fellow Aspirant (10th November 2015), fourty-two (8th November 2015), gripreaper (7th November 2015), Heart-2-Heart (7th November 2015), Ivanhoe (9th November 2015), Lancelot (9th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), Nasu (7th November 2015), Rocky_Shorz (7th November 2015), Wind (7th November 2015)

  18. Link to Post #10
    United States Avalon Member ghostrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    6th February 2011
    Location
    Sand Springs Ok
    Age
    60
    Posts
    7,427
    Thanks
    9,893
    Thanked 28,845 times in 6,635 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    As Bruce Lee would say , use what is useful... The entire world is upside down , backwards in just about every area...perception is the key ...it's not what they are saying, it's how you perceive it.. Each person has little gems that add to the bigger picture, they may be off in one area but, spot on in another area ... Don't be too quick to count them out... Just sayin...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

  19. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to ghostrider For This Post:

    betoobig (7th December 2015), Cara (9th December 2015), Fanna (7th November 2015), Franny (9th November 2015), happyuk (8th November 2015), Lancelot (9th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), Morbid (8th November 2015), Reinhard (9th November 2015), Songmuze (9th November 2015)

  20. Link to Post #11
    Canada Avalon Member DeDukshyn's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd January 2011
    Location
    From 100 Mile House ;-)
    Language
    English
    Age
    51
    Posts
    9,423
    Thanks
    29,861
    Thanked 45,931 times in 8,573 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Thanks Grip and Greybeard for the tidbit on Eckhart -- I 100% agree with your conclusions Grip. People who think outside the box and those who speculate on possibilities apparently are disinfo agents too judging by the initial list ... dangerous.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

  21. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to DeDukshyn For This Post:

    Becky (8th November 2015), betoobig (7th December 2015), Cara (9th December 2015), Ernie Nemeth (8th November 2015), Fanna (7th November 2015), Fellow Aspirant (10th November 2015), Franny (9th November 2015), greybeard (8th November 2015), gripreaper (8th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015)

  22. Link to Post #12
    Canada Deactivated
    Join Date
    17th September 2014
    Posts
    1,157
    Thanks
    3,894
    Thanked 8,273 times in 1,132 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Gripreaper wrote: I have taken from the smorgasbord of information brought out by all of these candidates and left that which I did not grok, understand, or care for, right where I found it. In the end, I made up my own mind and have no interest in shooting the messenger. I get sick and tired of those who want to drive a wedge and focus on the things which divide us and not on the things which unite us.

    Spot on. We live within duality and express that mix. Not one of us is "pure as the driven snow" - neither pure good nor pure evil. The true gatekeeper is one's discernment, what is true for oneself, and not the opinion of another.

  23. Link to Post #13
    Avalon Member Andre's Avatar
    Join Date
    9th July 2010
    Location
    Byron Bay Area
    Language
    English
    Posts
    475
    Thanks
    355
    Thanked 2,547 times in 444 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Based on the names in the Whole Science list and my familiarity with many of them, it is pretty obvious that whoever put the the list together was attempting to debunk most of the true revolutionaries, visionaries and pioneers of the consciousness movement. The list is not a source of disinformation, but the website is. I would add that putting George Soros in the list with the others makes absolutely no senses whatsoever and further discredits the author of the list. In short, the list is a load of crap.
    Our destiny is in our hands. Let us visualise a world of truth, freedom and equality.

  24. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Andre For This Post:

    Becky (8th November 2015), Cara (9th December 2015), Fanna (8th November 2015), Fellow Aspirant (8th November 2015), Flowerpunkchip (7th December 2015), genevieve (8th November 2015), gripreaper (8th November 2015), Lancelot (9th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), Reinhard (9th November 2015)

  25. Link to Post #14
    Jamaica Avalon Member
    Join Date
    21st April 2014
    Posts
    512
    Thanks
    247
    Thanked 2,165 times in 445 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Pretty good breakdown and advice on discernment, gripreaper.

    What ever happened to Kevin Annet anyway? A year ago or so, he was all over the web about to bring down the kiddie rapers. He seems to have vanished. There was a contingent strongly saying he was disinfo himself. Then again, that's what disinfo often say about the legit sources: he's disinfo!

    Discernment is perpetual. You have to be willing to be open to change your mind about things. And change back!

  26. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to jake gittes For This Post:

    Becky (8th November 2015), Cara (9th December 2015), Fanna (8th November 2015), gripreaper (8th November 2015), Meggings (9th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015)

  27. Link to Post #15
    United States Avalon Member bettye198's Avatar
    Join Date
    12th April 2010
    Location
    Fairfield Glade, Tennessee in the Catoosa Mts
    Language
    English
    Age
    78
    Posts
    682
    Thanks
    794
    Thanked 3,042 times in 571 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Probably was a good thing this thread was started only because it helped most of us look at the dichotomy of the list. I agree with the consensus that many disinformers give us what we hope to want to hear and a piece of it is inspirational or it is flat out nothing we can resonate with. In addition, what is funny in some respects is that there is some kind of need to have both sides of the aisle debunk each other. Deepak Chopra humbled himself once in front of Oprah citing his failure as a practicing MD because he no longer believed in the traditional way. Big applause there. Drunvalo was debunked by Ashayana as teaching the wrong way to do the Merkaba. His way created a false, fallen ritual, a reverse angular rotation of particle spin. ( have to agree with that, as I never felt good using his approach) Fulford tripped us up all over the place. Every video he made was one more way to hang us on. Eric Dubay has some valid points about flat earth but I deferred to my brainiac husband who listened to the points and then said to me, the horizon is an illusion so how can he use that as a reference point? Echart Tolle suffered a full on mental breakdown before he became the wise sage. His work is brilliant but I still keep wondering what happened back then? Did another walk in or did he heal himself whole? Neale Patrick Walsch was a big draw but I finally figured out he may have done his books with automatic writing and if that is true, any such entity could have written it. But it was inspiring. David Wilcock I have no words. I do not know much about the others.
    Last edited by bettye198; 8th November 2015 at 23:03. Reason: word needed changing
    When you realize where you come from, you naturally become tolerant, disinterested, amused, kindhearted as a grandparent, dignified as a king. -- I Ching

  28. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to bettye198 For This Post:

    Becky (8th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015)

  29. Link to Post #16
    Australia Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    20th August 2014
    Location
    Western Australia
    Age
    76
    Posts
    1,186
    Thanks
    9,426
    Thanked 8,986 times in 1,165 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    I hope he doesn't have the Tooth Fairy or Father Christmas on his list or we will have nothing to believe in any more!!

  30. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Callista For This Post:

    Ewan (8th November 2015), Flowerpunkchip (7th December 2015), fourty-two (8th November 2015), Franny (9th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), Mutchie (25th November 2015), Songmuze (9th November 2015)

  31. Link to Post #17
    Turkey Avalon Member
    Join Date
    29th January 2011
    Location
    Planet Earth. Possibly for too long.
    Age
    49
    Posts
    234
    Thanks
    241
    Thanked 1,451 times in 216 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    So if all of these names are disinformers, we should rely on cnn, bbc, time warner company and mainstream academy forserious and real information right?

    This website is complete bulls**t. As theres no baby in the tube i can gladly throw this out of window.

    P.S. sorry guys, as a long time searcher (began with good ol' Krishnamurti back in 90's) i am REALLY but REALLY got fed up with this new trend; "everything you see on alternative media is disinformation, everything is a trap, ascension is mind control, reiki and other energy healing systems are dangerous, 2012 was false hype, by the way only we know what is true and good blahblahblahblahblah"...

    This got boring and to be honest a bit frustrating...
    Last edited by Feritciva; 8th November 2015 at 14:43.

  32. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Feritciva For This Post:

    Clear Light (8th November 2015), greybeard (8th November 2015), Ki's (9th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), Rusalka (8th November 2015)

  33. Link to Post #18
    Czech Republic Avalon Member Rusalka's Avatar
    Join Date
    10th October 2015
    Age
    44
    Posts
    14
    Thanks
    24
    Thanked 97 times in 13 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Quote Posted by Feritciva (here)
    So if all of these names are disinformers, we should rely on cnn, bbc, time warner company and mainstream academy forserious and real information right?

    This website is complete bulls**t. As there s jo baby in the tube i can gladly throw this out of window.

    P.S. sorry guys, as a long time searcher (began with good ol' Krishnamurti back in 90's) i am REALLY but REALLY got fed up with this new trend; "everything you see on alternative media is disinformation, everything is a trap, ascension is mind control, reiki and other energy healing systems are dangerous, 2012 was false hype, by the way only we know what is true and good blahblahblahblahblah"...

    This got boring and to be honest a bit frustrating...
    Exactly! Everything can be manipulated. If you really wish you can deliberately split your sentences into halves and tell "your truth" and a lie within one sentence without anybody noticing.
    Some people here will tell you. Nope, I have my gut feeling - my intuition, I can feel what is right a what is wrong. Guess what, you can't.

    The information from the up above, synchronicities or so called divine orchestration of things are not signs of the TRUTHFULNESS or CORRECTNESS. Things get orchestrated for every individual deliberately - to teach us a lesson! You can say that it is your GUIDES doing it.

    Pretty much everybody will tell you - yeah, your GUIDES do have your best interest in mind. They do it for you. Well, from a higher perspective yes. From the lower however, it can come in a form of a stinky sewer you need to go through to find some things for yourself first in order to realize your priorities in life....or whatever.

    So, do not think that this gut feeling or higher guidance guarantees a smooth ride, rainbows and ponnies.

    Therefore all the information presented here or anywhere serves a purpose. Always. If somebody sees them as misleading, that may be true but it is their actual prupose to mislead somebody - to get him on a certain track, where he discovers OTHER THINGS.!

    Get it? Everything is valuable, everything has a purpose, nothing is worse, better, more or less truthful.

    Besides, if you want to create - manifest something, you need to stick to certain beliefs for some time to actually do that!!! You cannot jump from one thing to another all the time - which is precisely what many people in here do. Due to the plethora of views presented in here.

    Find something that resonates with you with no expectation of the outcome because you cannot know, whether it is going to be a pleasant ride or a sewer - incorporate it into your life a create something tangible for yourself.

    You need to act.

  34. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Rusalka For This Post:

    Clear Light (8th November 2015), Feritciva (8th November 2015), Meggings (9th November 2015), Michelle Marie (8th November 2015)

  35. Link to Post #19
    Turkey Avalon Member
    Join Date
    29th January 2011
    Location
    Planet Earth. Possibly for too long.
    Age
    49
    Posts
    234
    Thanks
    241
    Thanked 1,451 times in 216 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Quote Posted by Rusalka (here)


    Besides, if you want to create - manifest something, you need to stick to certain beliefs for some time to actually do that!!! You cannot jump from one thing to another all the time - which is precisely what many people in here do. Due to the plethora of views presented in here.

    .
    This sentence should be taken into a frame and put onto desktops of every newbie seeker (we used to put posters on our rooms walls but new generation lives on their desktops not in their rooms you know) Thanks Rusalka!

  36. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Feritciva For This Post:

    Michelle Marie (8th November 2015), Rusalka (8th November 2015)

  37. Link to Post #20
    United States Honored, Retired Member. Brook passed on 25 Oct, 2018.
    Join Date
    23rd September 2014
    Posts
    1,665
    Thanks
    2,134
    Thanked 12,201 times in 1,540 posts

    Default Re: Disinformation and Disinformers

    Many of those people I've never heard of or never bothered to check out.

    So I checked out his sight and have found he has a particular "leaning" toward his own research which seems to go against those I do recognize on his list which also contains an extended list here:

    http://www.pateo.nl/PateoPedia/Conte...esearchers.htm

    To which he writes: The contemporary researchers that are listed below conduct more or less independent and unbiased research in order to discover the truth. Do not believe any of these modern-day scholars listed below in alphabetic order of their known surname. Do your own research. For that, you might come across a lot a interesting findings in the works of these open minded researchers, and also in the works of the ones that are affiliated with the Pateo Academia

    Then he links his own particular KNOWING researchers here:

    http://www.pateo.nl/English/academia.htm

    Most of which I've also never heard of.

    So to uphold his own research he has to negate the researchers of their findings to validate his.

    I checked out one of his videos that caught my eye which was about the Giza pyramid and in it I found something quite interesting. He's taken the research of another and overlaid it to his own....formulating essentially his theory while on his sight negating the work that would make his dysfunctional. In other words he carries his own bias due to his research in areas that would negate the ideas of people like Rupert Sheldrake, Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval etc. And while some of those on that list probably deserve to be there....the one's I've just listed are quite prominent. But certainly his research would be null by theirs thus his "lists" to prop up his own theory.

    Quite interestingly I found he's using certain modalities to prop up his research. And wonder if he himself is using other peoples research and making it essentially "his own" and that seems to be his rational for making such lists in the first place. For what it's worth that is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

    Why? Because his research is very much the opposite of someone like Michael Tsarion who hit that list. The two conflict.

    Here is one of his videos and it seems to be using information from this video listed below and not once does he speak of frequency when relating this "time factor" which is paramount and key also in my opinion and he's left a whole lot out of the equation leaning toward his own conclusions.



    Similar information used in his video above:



    At the end of the day theory is just that:

    Quote Theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking. Depending on the context, the results might for example include generalized explanations of how nature works. The word has its roots in ancient Greek, but in modern use it has taken on several different related meanings. A theory is not the same as a hypothesis. A theory provides an explanatory framework for some observation, and from the assumptions of the explanation follows a number of possible hypotheses that can be tested in order to provide support for, or challenge, the theory.
    Last edited by Shadowself; 8th November 2015 at 16:31.

  38. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Shadowself For This Post:

    Franny (9th November 2015), pabranno (9th November 2015), Zionbrion (8th November 2015)

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts