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    Question Is adversity really necessary

    I come to think about if adversity is really necessary.
    New age spirituality tends to kind of favour "adversity" as being a necessary component of growing and developing.
    I doubt that this is true. I guess adversity is one side of duality, being the bad or negative part.
    Isn't it possible to grow and personally improve in a world where there would be no adversity while still have games? (I know games usually have winners and losers.)

    What's your views?
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    Quote Posted by devplan (here)
    I come to think about if adversity is really necessary
    Oh, I don't wish to offend but aren't a lot of the Refugees who have recently arrived in Germany facing some Adversity in their Lives ?

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    Default Re: Is adversity really necessary

    Your question is a philosophical one. The proof of adversity being a real part of this planet is a given. I agree that a world where we insulate ourselves as individuals or small groups and choose no adversity in our interactions could be realized but to live in the environment of this planet, which in its very nature, is tough on the weak sounds like a dream to me. Dreams are the stuff of new beginnings so I applaud the courage of stating your point.

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    Duality is but one density of reality. Light and Dark are just masks that the soul wears on each journey. Some would say this journey is to grow.
    Trinity is the reality beyond duality. Leading off the previous statement, the awakening of the spirit is the realization of just how grey it all truly is. Duality drops away and everything just simply is.
    Once we step a bit further down this path and realize that we're all an embodiment of creation, we come to find out that all the shades of grey are all one true color.
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    Quote Posted by devplan (here)
    Isn't it possible to grow and personally improve in a world where there would be no adversity while still have games?
    Now this may seem somewhat disheartening but unfortunately the reality is that we all have to physically Die at some time or other so there's really no avoiding the fact of Adversity in each one of our own Lives eh ?

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    Adversity helps one to focus on what is really important and to give the mental/spiritual muscle to over come.
    It all gives the opportunity to have gratitude for what is beneficial.

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    Often this life we experience is called a game, well it's not it's a path.
    You/we/I can get distracted along the path by games, then you find your reality has no real meaning and so become lost with so many questions

    We all fall for the game!

    I personally think it is better to call our lives reality a Path,
    that way we can make a map and so perfect the route as we go.
    We can then each of us help others along their paths and so help avoid adversity!

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    Quote Posted by devplan (here)
    Isn't it possible to grow and personally improve in a world where there would be no adversity while still have games?
    Now this may seem somewhat disheartening but unfortunately the reality is that we all have to physically Die at some time or other so there's really no avoiding the fact of Adversity in each one of our own Lives eh ?
    Picking bones here:
    In my view of this material so called reality is, that we move on from our physical body vessels when our time comes, no death for me just new horizons!

    We all have our personal views/beliefs that is how I see things!
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
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    Default Re: Is adversity really necessary

    The key word in the O.P. is ........... "is it really necessary". Tough question. Each of us would no doubt define "adversity" differently. Pain and suffering is all relative as to what point it's being observed and/or felt from. For life, (Source itself), to truly have freedom to create, it must have freedom to create all, including that which we consider bad or painful.

    In that sense, then yes, it's necessary. Is it necessary at our personal ego level in order to spiritually grow? I don't know. Again, tough question.
    I am enlightened, ............ Oh wait. That's just the police shining their spotlights on me.

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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    In my view of this material so called reality is, that we move on from our physical body vessels when our time comes, no death for me just new horizons!

    We all have our personal views/beliefs that is how I see things!
    You are considering an important question. We like hearing stories of how people over come adversity. It seems to me that compassion is learned through our own struggles. So, we can benefit but it would be so much more happy if we all had practical help and support to live this life?

    It does not make any sense to me that this one life here is all there is and I am not worried at all about death.

    I like John Anthony West as a philosopher of cycles of time.

    Quote Consider the Kali Yuga

    In the first part of this article, I left off with a brief discussion of the Vedic/Hindu doctrine of the Yugas, the idea that history follows a cycle, corresponding to the Platonic doctrine of Aeons or ages (Golden, Silver, Bronze and Iron, or “Dark” Ages).

    Most Hindu accounts assign improbably long time periods to each of these ages, but one relatively modern thinker, Sri Yukteswar, the guru of the influential twentieth century yogi, Paramahansa Yogananda, wrote that originally, the Yuga cycle was supposed to correspond to a precessional cycle (Yukteswar allots approximately 24,000 years to this cycle, modern astronomy puts it close to 26,000 years but variable within narrow limits.

    Plato gives a precise numero­logically interesting canonical number of 25,920 years – six times six times six times 12). Moreover, in the standard accounts, the Kali Yuga (or Dark Age) is followed immediately by a new Golden Age. This does not make sense; the end of winter is not followed immediately by summer.

    Now in Hindu mythology, Kali the Destroyer is equivalent to the Egyptian Sekhmet, and it may be that the Sekhmet myth has legitimate astronomi­cal/astrological significance.

    An aging or dying god is a feature of many ancient myths and legends and it is the mythic way of signaling the end of an astronomical cycle of some sort (cf. Hamlet’s Mill). Unfortunately, our standard view of history is not only very wrong, it is also very short. We have a good idea of the Piscean Age of the last 2,000 years, a much less comprehensive picture of the Arian Age preceding it (c. 2000-0 BCE), but in the Taurean Age (4000-­2000 BCE), except for Egypt, we enter a realm of myth and legend with relatively little factual material to base sound interpretations upon. The further back we go, the mistier it gets.

    The English writer Samuel Butler once remarked that, “Analogy may be misleading but it is the least misleading thing we have.”
    So, to appreciate our own position within the grand Yuga cycle, analogy may help.

    We are familiar with the cycle of night and day. But imagine a sentient creature that lives for just a minute. If that minute falls at midnight, then our Minute Man can have absolutely no idea of what that minute of life might be like at high noon, espe­cially if it’s raining.

    Now move up a step in the cyclical hierarchy to the seasons, and imagine a sentient creature that lives for just a day. If that day falls in February and it’s still raining (both Minute Man and Day Man live in Wales) then he can have no idea of what a day would be like in mid-June – unless, of course, leg­ends and myths have somehow survived the course of the year, in which case they would be so inconsis­tent with their own life experience that they might well dismiss them as falsehoods, i.e. myths.

    Now move up to ourselves, within the preces­sional cycle. Allowing an ideal 100 year life span, if that 100 years corresponds to a rainy midnight minute or equally rainy February day in Wales then we can have no experiential possibility of under­standing what a sunny 100 years in June in Cosmic California might be like, much less that life might actually be much prolonged under such circumstances – as so many myths and legends assert.

    There can be no doubt the ancients under­stood precession, and equally no doubt they considered it of paramount importance. And maybe that is why – because it enabled them (at least in principle) to live in harmony with the dic­tates of their era, or so the legends say.

    So if there is validity to the concept of the Yuga cycle, just where would we stand? Not in June in Cosmic California, that is for sure! Scan the front page of any daily newspaper in the world and it looks like mid-January: war, terrorism, murder, rape, robbery, scams, famine and disease – chaos everywhere. The greatest military and economic power in recorded history has as its leader an inarticulate, illiterate dunce, himself under the control of a tribe of corporate cannibals.

    The entire planet is threatened by a gamut of poten­tially terminal environmental, ecological, medical and military disasters. The institutionalised reli­gions of both East and West (at their best but stunted, pale offshoots of much more robust and earlier root stocks) are degraded and degenerate. Education everywhere is controlled by the priest­hood of the Church of Progress, forcibly proselytising its psychotic and spurious doctrine of meaning­lessness, accident and despair.

    A good case could be made that it’s mid-Kali Yuga, and Sekhmet has again been summoned and is already exercising her bloody trade. But this could be a misperception. Certainly a cosmic bliz­zard is blowing, of that there can be no doubt, yet maybe it’s March in the cycle – and even though it doesn’t look that way, spring is on the way. Under the snow, the seeds of spring are germinating. The substantial minority of us who aren’t trapped in hopeless third world conditions know that at the very least we’re not back in the post-Roman Dark Ages – which were pretty dark everywhere around the planet as far as we can determine.

    Opposition to the Church of Progress Mounts: A Positive Sign

    There is one potentially major positive sign that goes generally unrecognised. The past three centuries have seen a prodigious flowering of creative energy, most of it undeniably dedicated to destruc­tion and frivolity (even the most nauseating TV commercial is the result of an extraordinary expen­diture of creative and technical expertise).

    While imbeciles insist upon calling this progress, in its standard manifestation it is little more than shiny barbarism.

    Even so, that standard is not necessarily a fait accompli, an unalterable condition. The outpouring of creative energy is a fact. In itself it is neutral in principle. Directed consciously and constructively, things could change, everywhere – and in a hurry. When ideas change, everything changes. Of course, getting the ideas to change is another mat­ter altogether. Nevertheless, it could happen. Even before it’s too late. If only…

    Maybe, just maybe, Sekhmet is just growling and flexing her claws, and despite all appearances to contrary, there is still some wiggle room.
    In this low level of "devolution", we are forced to confront our own ignorance IMO. It challenges us to see beyond appearance. It also challenges us to share what we have and YES, face that our senses do not reveal much.

    I am not sure that we must have adversity but there is an old story that the long spoons of hell (which mean we cannot feed ourselves) work just wonderfully when we will feed one another.

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    Default Re: Is adversity really necessary

    Looking back on my own life I would wholeheartedly say yes... I had severe clinical depressions since the age of fifteen which gave me extended periods of pure hell for over thirteen years, but every time I came out of it I felt like a completely different person... such a profound and deepening experience, and every time it came back it felt even more intensely horrible (which I thought was impossible), until everything changed at some point... looking back I wouldn't have want to miss it... it apparently was necessary for me at this point in time, simply because it happened, it is what it is. Apparently the dark side is just as much part of the plan, now I know, and I REALLY know; it erodes the way for more light.

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    That's how I see it to Skyhaven, hindsight really is a blessing. Without adversity to overcome we would stagnate, or development would be so slow it would be unnoticable life upon life. Hindsight let's us view those dark times, (as experienced then), more like a necessary gift when looked back upon.

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    adversity without it we would be the greys without emotion it is our greatest strength or weakness

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    Not to the severity we see it here on earth. Besides who created the New Age Movement? Is it just another religion? Who created the religions? The rulers/priests did to control us.
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    Quote Now this may seem somewhat disheartening but unfortunately the reality is that we all have to physically Die at some time or other so there's really no avoiding the fact of Adversity in each one of our own Lives eh ?
    Who says, that death is an adversity? For some it could be a blessing and a new beginning.

    Quote Adversity helps one to focus on what is really important and to give the mental/spiritual muscle to over come.
    It all gives the opportunity to have gratitude for what is beneficial.
    Surely, it helps to become smarter and to evolve - but is it a prerequisite to evolve?

    Quote Often this life we experience is called a game, well it's not it's a path.
    Unfortunately, it's a game one is thrown into, to some extent involuntarily. Nevertheless it was initially a game way way back when the spirit had the power to exit at will.

    Quote Without adversity to overcome we would stagnate, or development would be so slow it would be unnoticable life upon life.
    Without challenge (very boring) - without adversity NO! (to learn by pain is a very low-key mechanism.)

    Thanks for your views! Keep em coming!
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    Default Re: Is adversity really necessary

    Adversity can be caused by something tangible like a flood which is true for all, or it can be self inflected because of personal views which is not true for all.
    It's important to try and be positive in thought, speech and action.
    In the end the only thing that really matters is how one reacts to external events. Positive, neutral or negative.

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    Quote Posted by devplan (here)
    I come to think about if adversity is really necessary.
    New age spirituality tends to kind of favour "adversity" as being a necessary component of growing and developing.
    I doubt that this is true. I guess adversity is one side of duality, being the bad or negative part.
    Isn't it possible to grow and personally improve in a world where there would be no adversity while still have games? (I know games usually have winners and losers.)

    What's your views?
    that adversity is necessary for our evolution is, in my opinion, a precept of religion, Eastern or Western. But it is inbred in our culture as so many other beliefs are, that most don't ever question its' validity.

    You are right in contemplating it. IMO, it is not true.
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    Wow, this can open up a big can of worms. Adversity in hindsight honed character, developed motivation, helped us seize the day. I would comment on the kind of adversity because some created irreparable stress, grief, trauma that wound up being carried into the long life. Then there are the parents who want to protect their offspring from too much adversity because they had it bad and did not want them to suffer. I had plenty of adversity, a book or novel of it, but our son had a better life. Now as he ages, I have the wish that he was challenged more to hone that responsible factor in his character. Many of us had to learn the "hard way", to suffer the long road, to quell the heartache while striving for the mountain top. Did it make us better people? I think so. But here is another thought. Over the many years I wondered about this; that the reptilian DNA set in our biologics forced us to make that hard road. If they did not dicker with our strands, we could fly, literally and figuratively so overall, it could have been an agenda that was likened to a passive kind of torture and long suffering to bear down on our beings. I have to believe we are Angelics with abilities to create magnificence. Adversity may be a part of the darkness that keeps us from attaining our full radiant selves.
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    At 76 the only feeling I have left is shellshock from having to jump one huge hurdle after another, without the resources to do so, and having to decide between catch 22 situations in every direction. I feel so angry, that not even God would be safe in my vicinity. As for those damned greys and their looshe, if they really exist, I'd make minced meat out of them. Nothing sounds better than death and total oblivion and be damned the Vatican and its blood suckers.

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    Wow, this very topic is in a book I am converting to an ePub and iBook. I have had to edit it some to make it understandable in this context. The author has allowed me to post this provided any re-posts or use for any purpose includes Vangelo Media as the copyright holder. Here is one of many snip-its that argues for adversity ...
    Well, let’s presume I had been born into the opposite life circumstance i.e., a life experience without any trials tribulations, pain or fear. Literally, the ideal world. In this ideal environment, I would have never needed to develop a means for protecting my essence from fear or pain. In other words, I would not have had any difficult life experiences that I needed to forget. Instead, all of my memories would be instantaneously available.

    If I were born into this ideal family circumstance, then my mother, father, and siblings would all have the same experience because they would not be the source of any of my pain. By extension, my aunts, uncles, cousins, in-laws and friends would also be living in this ideal world. They would also have the same essence and energy. We would all be living in Nirvana, the state of perfect happiness and peace.

    But here is the problem with this Nirvana-like existence: suffering, pain, and fear are not known by the people who live there. How could they know? They have never experienced it.

    Previously I described the importance of experiencing the full spectrum of emotions. I used the colors black, gray and white to illustrate this concept. I also stated that I believed unconditional love is the opposite of fear. Living in this ideal world would give someone the gift of not experiencing pain, suffering and fear. But it would also prohibit them from experiencing unconditional love.
    Happiness comes from within, nowhere else.

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    Quote Posted by Vangelo (here)
    Wow, this very topic is in a book I am converting to an ePub and iBook. I have had to edit it some to make it understandable in this context. The author has allowed me to post this provided any re-posts or use for any purpose includes Vangelo Media as the copyright holder. Here is one of many snip-its that argues for adversity ...
    Well, let’s presume I had been born into the opposite life circumstance i.e., a life experience without any trials tribulations, pain or fear. Literally, the ideal world. In this ideal environment, I would have never needed to develop a means for protecting my essence from fear or pain. In other words, I would not have had any difficult life experiences that I needed to forget. Instead, all of my memories would be instantaneously available.

    If I were born into this ideal family circumstance, then my mother, father, and siblings would all have the same experience because they would not be the source of any of my pain. By extension, my aunts, uncles, cousins, in-laws and friends would also be living in this ideal world. They would also have the same essence and energy. We would all be living in Nirvana, the state of perfect happiness and peace.

    But here is the problem with this Nirvana-like existence: suffering, pain, and fear are not known by the people who live there. How could they know? They have never experienced it.

    Previously I described the importance of experiencing the full spectrum of emotions. I used the colors black, gray and white to illustrate this concept. I also stated that I believed unconditional love is the opposite of fear. Living in this ideal world would give someone the gift of not experiencing pain, suffering and fear. But it would also prohibit them from experiencing unconditional love.
    I think this was astute about learning unconditional love. I do believe that the only reason we don't have the ideal on earth is that we are working through the learning of feeling all emotions. IMO the meaning of ascension is "Could we have a physical experience that has emotion without pain?"

    We create our own pain IMO. The pain becomes excuse for more pain dealt. So IMO, we have to take back the pain and transmute energy. SO IMO energy alchemists don't need adversity to become without condition.

    So I believe that we can physically clear the energy field as a tool, change the energy meaning and be able to have emotions flow. Then we need not hide away undigested energy. IMO we hold onto emotions as repressed stuck energy because we were CONDITIONAL about acceptance and love of our own being. Loving oneself enough to love oneself in whatever circumstance is powerful.

    IMO a concept of a new earth is where people do not need to be conditional anymore because they can easily transmute what we might consider adversity. It is not a permanent state any longer.....we let it go. We have that power through love itself.

    unconditional love is an alchemy where all becomes gold

    Quote This is why alchemy exists,“ the boy said. "So that everyone will search for his treasure, find it, and then want to be better than he was in his former life.

    Lead will play its role until the world has no further need for lead; and then lead will have to turn itself into gold.

    That’s what alchemists do. They show that, when we strive to become better than we are, everything around us becomes better, too.”

    ~ Paulo Coelho, The Alchemist
    Last edited by Delight; 9th November 2015 at 07:38.

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