Thoughts on Unearthly Beings Controlling or Feeding off Human Energy... (not sure where to post this)

[Songmuze]

I've been listening to Mark Passio lately and find a lot of things ringing true. Can anyone enlighten me to their views on the possibility of our psyches or emotional bodies being manipulated by outside forces? Also - if this is a probable thing, is our free will combined with the knowledge about it enough to combat it? Is positive energy and compassion a part of the process of ousting unknown entities that may be taking energy away from us?
I find this not frightening, but interesting - I feel that our personal power is way more effective in facing these types of things than we realize. Would the evolutionary fight in the unseen world have more effectiveness toward human growth than the physical earthly fight in the name of "wake up", from the mind control of powers that be, happening now?

Thank you for any insights

[Linderlou]

Hi Songmuse!
Great question and prepare to go down the rabbit hole! You might want to check out the work of Cameron Day
http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/20...-light-worker/
He has some free meditations on his site.

And Eve Lorgen
http://evelorgen.com/wp/

Personally, I can only take Mark Passio in small amounts... he's very "in your face."

[Apophenia]

Most of the more well-known speakers on this subject acknowledge that there is a predatory aspect to the ETs involved primarily in abductions, including that they are harvesting our flesh for sustenance, and our genetics for their research. Two individuals who go to a great length to expose the spiritual manipulation side of things are Corrado Malanga, and Eve Lorgen. The beings are the Greys, Mantids, and Reptiles. There are also several lesser known groups working alongside these three.

In all honesty, I am probably among a handful here who is doubtful about our ability to effectively combat them, though I am admittedly hard pressed to categorize them on a moral axis as many others do, the chief issue being that the very actions claimed being done by this group isn't all that far removed from what we do to every living thing in this world. People take animals out of the wild, breed them in captivity for scientific research, cause them suffering and grief, kill and dispose of them where necessary, and we certainly aren't shy on the subject of eating them, or in rarer circumstances, sexually assaulting or raping them.

Scientists steal and play with their genetics, create abominations with them, etc... we do as we please, and we don't care what the consequences are. What makes this even more bizarre is that the same people you see in abductions complaining about being taken against their will by scary looking entities, then later put on clothes made from animal skins, take advantage of surgeries or medicine derived from the torture of animals, and go home every day to shove a chicken or steak into the faces of their loved ones; all the while driving a car dependent on fossil fuels from extinct flora and fauna. The irony is simply beyond certain people, though it is also important I do state there are people here and elsewhere who are absolutely opposed to animal cruelty, ecocide, and are vegans... and they stick to it in a seemingly militant fashion. These people aren't very common, unfortunately.

May be worth adding that whatever label we use on these entities for their activities, it applies as much to us as it does them, and by extension; any action taken.

[Songmuze]

Wow- true indeed.

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Thank you very much Linderlou) .. will start researching there.

[Peace of Mind]

I wouldn’t worry about such things. The only “off world” evidence of aliens we’ve ever found were in films. If there are such species harvesting and feeding on humans…just imagine how the poultry, beef and pork must feel. At least they can see us, they know about us, and struggle every day to adapt and share a planet with us. We are a true/real live threat to everything on this planet, we rarely respect the lives of our own planets inhabitants.

That said...I see no need to fear something that has yet to reveal its own existence. Tbh, I think much of the “alien” hype was made up to create a mindset and control it. The chatter pertaining to being a “food source” seems to stem from varying degrees of subtle subconscious guilt. I can’t find anything anywhere that will lead people to thinking this can be real…other than a few movies here and there. The cow, chicken, and pig can easily communicate to their families the threat of humans. If there was a true threat of humans being eaten I know we would have some sought of evidence of that by now…other than “hear say”.

Know as much about your self as possible, live up to your own expectations instead of others. When indulging in such material that is always presented to you with words (not actual evidence)...demand substance, or something of value that will bring you to the truth of their claims. If they can't produce...then you have your proof.

Think about this...what is there to gain from making you believe in something that can't be proven? Your mind!

When talking about aliens...just look at all the time that has past and we still have nothing to show but "his and her" words. Then we trick ourselves into calling them "personal truth's" when all they really are is just unconfirmed testimonies.

Be careful...this seems very much like clever empty threat propaganda that lives only because of the power we give it. There is no actual evidence keeping any of this alive...just our unyielding deniability.

I no longer wish to challenge anyone on providing proof...but I may occasionally challenge the presenter to reconsider their approach to the subject, and only for the sake of clarity and lessening the rising trust issues we're all seem to be going through.

Peace

[soul]

It's not exactly rocket science to figure out that we have some very powerful energy going in and out of our bodies. If you ever tried some advanced yoga/meditation and respected energy in all forms for some time you would know it to be true. These circuits have some blocks and this energy flows unconciously for as long as we don't make the effort to get it under our control it runs as other prosesses. We know how to raise our hand, the intention is obvious, but we don't command exact neurons to fire electric information to get it done. This is good as long as we know what happens. Some belive that these blocks were planned to extract and made us lose this energy. Extraterrestrial beings, astral beings, whatever. The fact is that there is energy most are unaware of and it is surely going somewhere.

But here is the best part - you want to be free from otherwordly influence without rediscovering your soul power? I wouldn't bet on you succeeding.

[lake]

A useful start to your research may be found in the opening post from this thread

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-war-is-hidden

might help .... or not

Side note: Apophenia ....... nice post

[kirolak]

Apophenia, you have expressed my own views exactly! In many ways the Greys, whether "real" in their own right or through our projection, are ourselves - perhaps they are the "lords of Karma", showing us our own face. What we put out, we receive; what we participate in, even by proxy, is something we will be held accountable for.

And a further irony is that these people you describe so well, believe they are kind, normal, good citizens of the planet in this awful cognitive dissonance that is Society. Those who are morally outraged at "cruelty to animals think nothing of roasting & eating the flesh of animals. I wish I could live on prana, & not even eat plants, but at least they do not have central nervous systems to the same extent that animals have. I hope

[bettye198]

My last post on Transgender thread explains my sentiments regarding this topic.

[Axman]

Hi Songmuze you could also check out the Law of One which talks about the Orion group and there practices and ways of defending yourself against it.
http://www.llresearch.org/

The Axman

[ponda]

Many researchers suggest that human emotional energy is one possible source of sustenance for unseen entities.

This 'loosh' might be collected via our astral bodies etc or in other ways.This is hard to prove but it would explain things like all the wars and fighting and fear based mainstream media programming etc

more info

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post719920



http://phrizbie-design.com/aura-chart.html



http://wakeup-world.com/2014/05/30/f...he-human-body/



https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...AT-IT-IS/page7

[M0JFK]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
I wouldn’t worry about such things. The only “off world” evidence of aliens we’ve ever found were in films. If there are such species harvesting and feeding on humans…just imagine how the poultry, beef and pork must feel. At least they can see us, they know about us, and struggle every day to adapt and share a planet with us. We are a true/real live threat to everything on this planet, we rarely respect the lives of our own planets inhabitants.

That said...I see no need to fear something that has yet to reveal its own existence. Tbh, I think much of the “alien” hype was made up to create a mindset and control it. The chatter pertaining to being a “food source” seems to stem from varying degrees of subtle subconscious guilt. I can’t find anything anywhere that will lead people to thinking this can be real…other than a few movies here and there. The cow, chicken, and pig can easily communicate to their families the threat of humans. If there was a true threat of humans being eaten I know we would have some sought of evidence of that by now…other than “hear say”.

Know as much about your self as possible, live up to your own expectations instead of others. When indulging in such material that is always presented to you with words (not actual evidence)...demand substance, or something of value that will bring you to the truth of their claims. If they can't produce...then you have your proof.

Think about this...what is there to gain from making you believe in something that can't be proven? Your mind!

When talking about aliens...just look at all the time that has past and we still have nothing to show but "his and her" words. Then we trick ourselves into calling them "personal truth's" when all they really are is just unconfirmed testimonies.

Be careful...this seems very much like clever empty threat propaganda that lives only because of the power we give it. There is no actual evidence keeping any of this alive...just our unyielding deniability.

I no longer wish to challenge anyone on providing proof...but I may occasionally challenge the presenter to reconsider their approach to the subject, and only for the sake of clarity and lessening the rising trust issues we're all seem to be going through.

Peace

Who is this WE?

[ghostrider]

A splinter group of the Plejaren known as the Bafath had devices that manipulates/influenced mankind's thoughts... So advanced and precise they could hit a fly on the wall from the other side of the Andromeda Galaxy... Around 1982 it was finally located and turned off, and the devastating booby-trap disarmed... The Plejaren say the effects will linger for a few years , and gets weaker ny the day , telenotic impulses keeping mankind confused... 2014 the effects went minimal and thus the great awakening went into overdrive... We have had help to turn the page... Leaving behind the age of beliefs and entering the age of knowledge...

[kirolak]

Thanks for posting those excellent charts & links, Ponda!

[Marikins]

In the lore there are organic blobs, black goo and implants. I was really skeptical but have seen a black blob on someone's neck and in my own self an implant which was not organic but etheric so I started reading up on it. Low and behold there was a drawing of the implants everyone has and the identical implant I saw on myself was represented in the exact location. So I am a reluctant believer.

All of these unseen influences are just outside our normal vision which would make them seem to be hard to deal with, but it is doable because there are slightly different rules regarding the etheric level.

I also recommend Cameron Day and the free exercises he offers on his site. For a more detailed treatment, Clive Hetherington's free book is wonderful at http://soul-healer.com.

Don't be alarmed by the variety and number of influences and energetic attachments. It makes sense that as our awareness grows, we perceive more, good and bad. Rather than a convenient excuse for our troubles, the existence of energetic attachments is a call to take greater responsibility for our energetic health. Clearing yourself becomes an education in who you are, and is really empowering.

[Songmuze]

Thank You All

Very interesting responses, and I have some reading to do. My angle was more of certain "thoughts" or "emotions" that affect me, but don't seem to be mine. Meditation (or clearing/watching of thoughts) helps, but it is more difficult than usual.

The alien aspect is weird, but i have an open mind to all possibilities. Hmmm, maybe my mind is TOO Open! LOL.

[pabranno]

eaall the enlightenment I have gradually been able to incorporate, largely from the influence of this beautiful and empowering group of people, I am now seriously ready to begin something like this. However, I am afraid... I am very impressionable and naïve, and I have long joked that I must be a lot of fun for negative energies to mess with. But it is not a joke. I don't feel I am grounded enough spiritually to begin this level of healing, but it seems I have to do this healing to become spiritually grounded enough. I am ready, finally. But I am scared. Thank you for listening, all, and your caring advice is so welcomed.

Pamela

[Peace of Mind]

Posted by M0JFK (here)

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
I wouldn’t worry about such things. The only “off world” evidence of aliens we’ve ever found were in films. If there are such species harvesting and feeding on humans…just imagine how the poultry, beef and pork must feel. At least they can see us, they know about us, and struggle every day to adapt and share a planet with us. We are a true/real live threat to everything on this planet, we rarely respect the lives of our own planets inhabitants.

That said...I see no need to fear something that has yet to reveal its own existence. Tbh, I think much of the “alien” hype was made up to create a mindset and control it. The chatter pertaining to being a “food source” seems to stem from varying degrees of subtle subconscious guilt. I can’t find anything anywhere that will lead people to thinking this can be real…other than a few movies here and there. The cow, chicken, and pig can easily communicate to their families the threat of humans. If there was a true threat of humans being eaten I know we would have some sought of evidence of that by now…other than “hear say”.

Know as much about your self as possible, live up to your own expectations instead of others. When indulging in such material that is always presented to you with words (not actual evidence)...demand substance, or something of value that will bring you to the truth of their claims. If they can't produce...then you have your proof.

Think about this...what is there to gain from making you believe in something that can't be proven? Your mind!

When talking about aliens...just look at all the time that has past and we still have nothing to show but "his and her" words. Then we trick ourselves into calling them "personal truth's" when all they really are is just unconfirmed testimonies.

Be careful...this seems very much like clever empty threat propaganda that lives only because of the power we give it. There is no actual evidence keeping any of this alive...just our unyielding deniability.

I no longer wish to challenge anyone on providing proof...but I may occasionally challenge the presenter to reconsider their approach to the subject, and only for the sake of clarity and lessening the rising trust issues we're all seem to be going through.

Peace

Who is this WE?

hmmm, interesting. Not knowing who “we” are sought of indicates an obvious problem with modern societies. A world filled with civilizations blindly supporting the very things they don’t respect or want…soon resorting to complaining about it and turning the other cheek so fast… they forget how their actions/inactions help to create the situation. We all have a hand in this, we make choices as a collective, and as individuals we’re conditioned to follow the collective.…admittance is actually irrelevant, what matter is the acknowledgement, and how such wisdom is used to aid in a remedy.

Peace

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Posted by pabranno (here)
eaall the enlightenment I have gradually been able to incorporate, largely from the influence of this beautiful and empowering group of people, I am now seriously ready to begin something like this. However, I am afraid... I am very impressionable and naïve, and I have long joked that I must be a lot of fun for negative energies to mess with. But it is not a joke. I don't feel I am grounded enough spiritually to begin this level of healing, but it seems I have to do this healing to become spiritually grounded enough. I am ready, finally. But I am scared. Thank you for listening, all, and your caring advice is so welcomed.

Pamela

One cannot know of thy self when inquiring about thyself from an outside source. How can a person truly learn of god if their knowledge, experiences aren’t coming directly from the source? All you’ll get is their perspective. When you’re ready…you will not need to ask nor seek. You’re just be in the moment with complete confidence. Fear is a weak emotion, an illusion created out of uncertainty. “Knowing” removes all fear, as fear can only feed on the ignorant. “Cautious” is a better state to be in when dealing with the unknown, you can’t beat fear if you’re too scared to face what is actually not there.

Peace

[mojo]

Here's a thought that never heard anyone hypothesize. I think there is an energy or perhaps entities phased out of 3D that can touch us that is also sentient. Some of these entities are negative robbing humans of energy, but other benevolent ET's might to the opposite and give something back from the contact experience like an energy inside added to ours.

[pabranno]

I genuinely appreciated your words, Peace of Mind. I will ingest them sincerely, as they deserve. Thank you.