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    I don't see a great divide between your optimism and the optimism I project, Chris.

    I simply have no faith in fixing a system where there is zero possibility of repair. This reality is the way it is for a reason. This is a place to contain the fallen, and keep their psychopathy away from the rest of the multiverse. No individual wishing a change should focus their energies on changing something that can't be fixed.... that shouldn't be fixed.

    Rather, it's my suggestion, those among us who are weary of this existence, it's those individuals who should be focusing on returning to the 'Happy Place' from whence we came.
    Oh go on then I'll bite ... How ?

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    Oh go on then I'll bite ... How ?
    If I could tell you the "how", Clear Blue, I wouldn't have spent the past (nearly) 6 years posting about the "why", all the while, suggesting an informed dialogue regarding the "how" be launched.

    All I ever get are members regurgitating their "fear porn" mantras. It's obvious to me, most of Humanity is mesmerized in a self perpetuating hypnotic spell.

    My message is intended for those among us who can see through the smoke-and-mirrors.

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    Quote Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
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    Oh go on then I'll bite ... How ?
    If I could tell you the "how", Clear Blue, I wouldn't have spent the past (nearly) 6 years posting about the "why", all the while, suggesting an informed dialogue regarding the "how" be launched.

    All I ever get are members regurgitating their "fear porn" mantras. It's obvious to me, most of Humanity is mesmerized in a self perpetuating hypnotic spell.

    My message is intended for those among us who can see through the smoke-and-mirrors.
    Yes it does seem that way however 'you' and 'I' have radically different views as to why that might be eh ?

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    There are some major problems with the idea of an “exit strategy from the matrix”, which explains observer’s endless focus on the “why” with nothing to deliver on the “how”.

    If this is a place for psychopaths, then this means that anyone here is a fallen psychopath. But if they want out, then they are either not, or no longer, a psychopath. If you are not a psychopath, then you must have a reason for being here; you are not here by accident. An exit strategy would then not be an appropriate response, unless you plan on taking others with you. If you are no longer a psychopath, then that implies that psychopathy is curable, and the little-advertised curability of the disease would be a likely explanation for the presence of non-psychopaths: they/we are working towards getting others out of here.

    It is probably a mistake to take the view that a single place can be separated from the rest of the cosmos to accommodate a category of trouble-makers. Separation is the cause of their problem; it is hardly going to be a solution. In other words, supposing it ever served its purpose, the prison planet model is no longer a viable proposition. The idea that nuclear explosions have been disturbing the neighbours is one indication that we are facing a universal problem requiring a universal solution. That would explain the presence on Earth of entities who have possibly never been psychopathic: in Bill Ryan’s words, to “take back the planet”. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1004730

    Psychopathy is not a monolithic all-or-nothing condition; it is contagious and produces various degrees of contamination from individual to individual. The evil “matrix” is a local, monolithic misconception of something benevolent and nonlocal. See here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1009380

    There is no other place to escape to. That idea is born from the illusion of separation, the same illusion that leads one to believe in an individual solution. We are all in this together, and that includes non-earthlings, which is why they/we are here; here is the only place to be. There is a whole universe to explore, but some people want to be someplace else that doesn’t exist. They are trying to create that place and of course it ain’t going to work.

    When someone is clinically depressed, they are physically here, but mentally somewhere else. You can tell them to cheer up and enjoy the sunshine; they don’t even notice that the sun is shining; for them it is all doom and gloom. Imagine a whole bunch of clinically depressed people taking over the planet: they may have their heads in a place “where the sun don’t shine”; but they are the ones who are unaware of the reality all around them. Too many people are listening to their inverted view of reality, and that is what has got to stop. No need for anyone to be going anywhere: this is going to be sorted out right here and right now. More and more people are cheering up.


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    I see it really simple.
    In my world there is peace--If I can help just one other to find peace then perhaps they will find another to bring peace to and so on.
    Im defining peace by lack of violence and a peaceful mind.

    The late Dr David Hawkins in "Power vs Force /The hidden determinates of human behaviour" maintained that we have the rulers that equates with the consciousness level of the people of that country. Change of leader is therefore "same old, same old"
    Each person that evolves spirituality to the level of enlightenment has a profound affect on the human collective--the spiritual energy at that level is immense--according to Hawkins. He was not naive and was well aware of the negative influence of th lower atral through the media and some forms of music and other "entertainment"

    Eckhart Tolle's book "The Power of Now" is well worth a read---it pulls no punches.
    We are evolving in consciousness because that's what the "Totality" wants--according to Eckhart.

    All is not lost by any means-----in duality.
    Nothing to lose in non-duality.

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    Quote Posted by observer (here)
    Quote from Wikipedia - "The earliest evidence of war belongs to the Mesolithic cemetery Site 117, which has been determined to be approximately 14,000 years old. About forty-five percent of the skeletons there displayed signs of violent death. Since the rise of the state some 5,000 years ago, military activity has occurred over much of the globe. The advent of gunpowder and the acceleration of technological advances led to modern warfare. According to Conway W. Henderson, "One source claims that 14,500 wars have taken place between 3500 BC and the late 20th century, costing 3.5 billion lives, leaving only 300 years of peace."
    A total of three hundred years of peace, projected over the past 5,500 years. Quite a record to be optimistic over!

    Awaken to the realization that we exist in a feeding operation. No amount of positive thinking will make a change, the mechanism is too powerful, and the motivation for that power is too consuming - a feeding operation.

    Historically, and into great antiquity, whenever the Mass Consciousness of Humanity reached a point where the Common Reality was about to make a difference, a total restart was triggered, and all timelines were begun anew.

    Instead of focusing on a bright new dawn - that has never arrived in the past - those among us who really seek change should be focusing on an exit strategy out of this matrix.
    There is already an exit plan. It is called by people here in this experience: death.
    I have not had any NDEs to tell me that this experience of "earth" is a very contracted one where it is dense, tight and cramped.
    I just know that because I feel it.

    I also know from MY experience that there are so many different ways to act every day.
    One can look around and see that YES, there may be a matrix but it does not determine us.

    War IS a state of mind. I will dare say it: People who are at this moment relishing in any way the pain and suffering of ANY others are in hell on earth. They have severed the root that reaches heaven themselves. There is no way to escape the inner landscape where one loves suffering except by changing one's being.

    When the worst thing that can happen to each of US is losing connection to the very roots and ground of our whole being, IMO one should not worry about escaping the matrix and focus on resuming connection. That which is US at a larger level which people without doubt bring back from "near death" is the Same connection we can all make... but it cannot be realized when one is is barricaded behind the defencse of "ever present" war.
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    I once had a blog I used to write called Paradise Road. Given all the turns and twists along the path to peace.

    Several years ago, I ran across someone who wrote something and claimed, all of our problems are because of [fill in the blank]. I got angry. I then made a statement in tears and anger. Here it is.

    Who am I? I’m a mother of three sons, and two grandchildren. I’m a musician, I’m the one you pass at the market when shopping. I cry at sad movies, and happy endings. I’m the one you honk at while at the traffic light, because I’m changing the radio station and not paying attention to the light. I’m the one who can’t stand to see the starving children in deprived countries. I’m the one who stood by and watched the twin towers fall in disbelief. I’m the one who watched the United States go to war for the sake of oil and power. I’m the one who woke up to the fact that it is all an illusion. One created to use us against each other.

    I’m the one who want’s to wake up and find that the illusion is over. That mankind stood up and said , we are through with your lies, we want only the truth and nothing else will be acceptable. We will stop working your war machine, we want nothing to do with your power agendas. We want to see the starvation and suffering ended. We want the children to be nothing but loved. We hold our future dear to us and will not accept your blatant lies. We don’t care about your boarders, we care about our neighbors. We send them love. We bless them with kindness and giving. We will rebuild our future with strength of compassion. Hate is not a word we use in our vocabulary. Giving is our key to success.

    Then and only then will the tears I shed turn tears of joy. Then mankind can collect the grand prize. The universal prize of humanity shedding it’s mask of animal behavior. Then we will be able to join the ranks of Sharing universal love of humanity and creation throughout the universe.


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    ^^^^ To all those commenting above,

    Yes, this is just a wonderful place to enjoy one's lifetime, if you aren't that mother sitting in the bombed-out rubble of her home, holding her dead infant, over in Syria right now.

    Everything all of you are saying is perfectly accurate, with the exception of one mitigating circumstance. The mantras you are all chanting are the result of Artificial Telepathy. Artificial Telepathy has created our Common Reality since our species' prehistory.

    I needn't refresh any of you with the evidence for a program of Artificial Telepathic Technology, dating all the way into great antiquity. What I'm reporting goes against your belief systems. That's the reason all of you follow my comments around the website and denounce what is being reported. None of you are willing to look outside of your comfortable paradigms and wake-up from the trance. You are all chanting mantras that are designed to keep all the doors and windows of your reality shut to the obscene horror going-on just outside of your comfortable boxes.

    I will stop responding to your accusations, now. There are others who are willing to investigate the possibilities being offered.
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    Quote Posted by observer (here)
    Quote from Wikipedia - "The earliest evidence of war belongs to the Mesolithic cemetery Site 117, which has been determined to be approximately 14,000 years old. About forty-five percent of the skeletons there displayed signs of violent death. Since the rise of the state some 5,000 years ago, military activity has occurred over much of the globe. The advent of gunpowder and the acceleration of technological advances led to modern warfare. According to Conway W. Henderson, "One source claims that 14,500 wars have taken place between 3500 BC and the late 20th century, costing 3.5 billion lives, leaving only 300 years of peace."
    A total of three hundred years of peace, projected over the past 5,500 years. Quite a record to be optimistic over!

    Awaken to the realization that we exist in a feeding operation. No amount of positive thinking will make a change, the mechanism is too powerful, and the motivation for that power is too consuming - a feeding operation.

    Historically, and into great antiquity, whenever the Mass Consciousness of Humanity reached a point where the Common Reality was about to make a difference, a total restart was triggered, and all timelines were begun anew.

    Instead of focusing on a bright new dawn - that has never arrived in the past - those among us who really seek change should be focusing on an exit strategy out of this matrix.
    I actually, yes actually believe that we are living in the Exit right now. The strategy is rising consciousness in a gradated fashion to trigger latent human traits to slowly become front and center. Another way to see it might be Jungs four stages of life. Athlete, warrior, statement and then spirit are the final stage. Consciousness drives physicality and by jump starting just a percentage beyond the norm the wheel will turn faster and already is. A much higher percentage will be in the 4th stage of spirit even as they perhaps embody the others. It's happening. I can't help but feel it and see it. The time frame is one of the big questions in my opinion. The proposed idea of this thread is a great contribution. It sure isn't pretty but the awakening hearts are.
    It's time to change this.

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    Default Re: Road to world peace

    Observer Not everyone on the thread is close minded and not everyone has had a cosy, feet at the fireside, TV watching, life.
    In fact I doubt any one at Avalon has had a cosy life.

    As for the pathless path of Enlightenment--that is so far out of the box and bizarre to many.
    Some would say blasphemous, deluded.

    You dont seem to want anyone who is not wholly in agreement with your take, to side with any of it.

    I have no doubt that there are those that use all kinds of devices to control us---I dont agree that this is 100% effective.

    We can agree to disagree.

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    Quote I don't see a great divide between your optimism and the optimism I project, Chris.

    I simply have no faith in fixing a system where there is zero possibility of repair. This reality is the way it is for a reason. This is a place to contain the fallen, and keep their psychopathy away from the rest of the multiverse. No individual wishing a change should focus their energies on changing something that can't be fixed.... that shouldn't be fixed.

    Rather, it's my suggestion, those among us who are weary of this existence, it's those individuals who should be focusing on returning to the 'Happy Place' from whence we came.

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    Quote There is already an exit plan. It is called by people here in this experience: death.
    I'm thinking this too much lately. Everything is nostalgia. Everything's been done. Each generation gets sucked in with the, "I'm different than my parents attitude.", only to end up exactly how and where they were. I see everyone busy with their own concerns, blind to everything else. Why keep going? There is no use. I won't sell out so there is no point to all this.

    Then I come home after being away just one night and I see the happiness my presence brings my lady, or even my cat! They are over-joyed I'm back. Or when I see my friends, last meeting could have been years, and we pick up right where we left off, happy as spit to have a chance to hang out together, however briefly. Or when I can do a solid for a customer and they can say, "Wow, you sure are a helpful person.", and then not pay me because a person like me just lives on love, and I get to shrug it off and change my dinner plans to hot dogs again. Those moments when you realize that you are needed, that you are loved and missed are the only thing that keep me going now.

    I do not live for me anymore. I live for them. And I wait at home staring at my computer screen, waiting for my next chance to make someone's day so I can feel like I'm alive.

    World peace seems like a long way off to me. And it had better be world peace and fair play filled with happiness and abundance or I still don't want any of it.

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    Physical reality is not at all as it seems, not at all. It appears different realities are in conflict but in truth they are not. Two people can have two apparently conflicting views and yet they are both true. We only error when we say what's true for any other.
    Never give up on your silly, silly dreams.

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    Quote Posted by observer (here)

    [...]

    I needn't refresh any of you with the evidence for a program of Artificial Telepathic Technology, dating all the way into great antiquity. What I'm reporting goes against your belief systems. That's the reason all of you follow my comments around the website and denounce what is being reported. None of you are willing to look outside of your comfortable paradigms and wake-up from the trance.

    [...]
    Observer : Perhaps it would help the discussion to describe how it is that you have apparently Woken-up whereas others are still Tranced-Out ... by which I mean how were you personally affected by such Technology ? What has been your experience and how did you overcome it (if you have) ?

    [Added Note: Ah, I apologise if you have already done so in some other thread]

    Now while there's no compulsion to answer these questions, nonetheless, in sharing your own Experiential Insight it may make more of an impression than repeatedly stating what are your own Beliefs again and again ?

    I mean no offence and am merely trying to help move the debate on !
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    These are all metaphors aren't they, useful pointers. I have noticed many now questioning the presentation of our World on their news and asking themselves 'What World do I want to live in?' It is a question of intention, point of focus, and whatever floats your boat the whole conundrum will be encapsulated within. Peace.

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    Re: original post...

    This is a great vision to hold together in our inner world. The inner is causative and creates the outer. I've spent a lot of time holding the intention and vision of our perfected world-- with the feeling of the essence of being there. This detail helps. Many of us are on the same page. Knowing the power of our inner world, our newly recognized authority, and a firm foundation in the Light. Fear is abolished.

    It's restoration time. Genius expression time. Letting go of chemical corporations' and media's attempted control of our minds. Psssssst....they are missing a key ingredient and can NEVER take control. The Light of awareness is outpacing the deeds cloaked in lies and secrecy.

    Holding THE vision with love while praying for ALL.
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    I will not subject myself to an interrogation that includes accusations of being "blasphemous" and "deluded". From my conclusions, based on a lifetime of investigation, I could make similar accusations toward all those who are advocating the channeled philosophies being promoted by so many of my accusers. I will not subject myself to any inquisition, that's the reason I stated in a previous comment, "I will stop responding to your accusations, now. There are others who are willing to investigate the possibilities being offered."

    Just for the edification of those who find it so easy to denounce my intentions, here's a reply to a comment I made to Bill Ryan back in July of 2010, over five years ago:

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    It may very well be. I'd be interested to know what word the Buddhists actually used (i.e. how it was first translated into English). If you do know, please share it... I'd be intrigued.

    As best I know, the English word 'Ascension' has Christian origins. Again, I don't know in what version of the Bible the term first appeared.

    The problem with the word 'Ascension' as currently used (and misused!) in the New Age community is that if you ask 100 people, you'll get 101 different answers. This is a joke, but you get what I mean.

    I buy the following ideas/ concepts:
    • Enlightenment / nirvana / samsara
    • Existence as a liberated spiritual being after body death
    • A general present-time raising of consciousness among people here on Planet Earth.
    I do not buy:
    • Transcendence to another dimension (what dimension, and why?)
    • People suddenly physically disappearing (can anyone see how silly this is?)
    • The Earth 'dividing into two' - one Ascended Earth, and another not (again, why?)
    I'd invite anyone here to identify the actual sources of these notions. (At least then we could look at who first suggested these ideas, and why.)
    From my perspective: in 1961 I was exposed to the work of Edgar Cayce. After nearly fifty years of research into possibly hundreds of seers, clairvoyants, oracles, prophets, transmitters, remote viewers, channelers, and a myriad of other names one might apply to the phenomena, I've come to trust very little information implanted in the mind of another individual through the process of telepathic communication.

    Bill, I think the sources of these notions has come to the Mass of Humanity - through the ages - in the form of dogma that has had one ultimate source. The evidence will show all forms of religion dating back into antiquity have been proposed by "prophets" and adopted by the Kings (at any given time in history) as a means to control the Masses. This template can be traced all the way back to Sumer.

    The Containment of the Human Species has cleverly continued throughout the known recorded history of the Human Species. Through Sitchin's work, we discover it could possibly go back to the creation of Homo Sapiens some two hundred and fifty thousand years ago.

    Through Maxwell and Icke (and many other "hard" researchers), we learn that a draconian reptilian species has controlled this planet since before the Dawn of Man. They have always controlled civilization here on this planet. They continue to control the Mass of Humanity. The evidential trail will lead one only to this conclusion.

    They are very clever at what they do....

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Re the Giza Pyramids (all three of them, presumably), I'd like to state on record here that I don't feel I know what their function was. I've read many theories, and am not yet definitively convinced by any of them. (It seems self-evident that they are far older than most Egyptologists believe.)
    The Great Pyramid at Giza is the one I'm specifically speaking of in this Thread. I know very little about the other structures on the Giza plaza.

    There is little, or no evidence (that I'm aware of) to show the Great Pyramid was used for the "ascension" process of individuals, or as a space launch pad, or any of the other preposterous proposals that have appeared in this Thread. The evidence will show it was a "machine" of some sort. I think the conclusions I've made about the properties of that machine are worth looking into....
    This is all I care to reply to this interrogation. I have every right to believe the way I do, and I have never denied any other member his right to believe the way they do. You have never seen me making comments in the Spiritual Forums.

    Let's all of us just agree to disagree, and allow our comments to one another to go to history.
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    Observer Not everyone on the thread is close minded and not everyone has had a cosy, feet at the fireside, TV watching, life.
    In fact I doubt any one at Avalon has had a cosy life.

    As for the pathless path of Enlightenment--that is so far out of the box and bizarre to many.
    Some would say blasphemous, deluded.






    You dont seem to want anyone who is not wholly in agreement with your take, to side with any of it.

    I have no doubt that there are those that use all kinds of devices to control us---I dont agree that this is 100% effective.

    We can agree to disagree.

    Regards Chris
    Observer you have misunderstood

    Its my path "highlighted" that could be seen in that light.

    You are not the accused, but I could be for having out of the box beliefs.

    Best wishes

    Chris
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    Quote Everything all of you are saying is perfectly accurate, with the exception of one mitigating circumstance. The mantras you are all chanting are the result of Artificial Telepathy. Artificial Telepathy has created our Common Reality since our species' prehistory.
    Nothing I said came from any form of artificial telepathy. It was a sincere desire expressed on a humane level of coexistence that drew such a desire.

    So when you decide to group peoples ideas and opinions and formulate your own...just realize that is exactly that...your own formulation.

    I live in a world of reality that is stark and it does indeed need to change. Where do you live? Artificial reality? I'm well aware of the reality of war. So don't use a paint brush when generalizing such ideas. You don't know me or my reality enough to determine if it artificial or not.

    On that note war has a huge mantra of freedom and thus a generalized form of struggle and death goes with it.

    What have you done about War and Freedom?

    Ahhhh...Knowing Freedom

    To know freedom..one must understand bondage. Because how active will you be coming from complacency?....Sitting in front of your computer..looking for the next new best thread. This is not to say you are not trying to do your part...however

    With Freedom comes responsibility;

    Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

    Are you waiting for the next best man, or political figure to come along and make another dead promise?

    The power to choose Freedom and Utopia

    "Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom." We have heard that many times. What is also the price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections. If everything that is wrong with the world becomes a reason to turn more power over to some political savior, then freedom is going to erode while we are mindlessly repeating the catchwords of the hour, whether "change," "universal health care" or "social justice."

    What we strive for , a "utopia" society structure with perfection...how to create perfection?

    Let's go back to square one. The universe was not made to our specifications. Nor were human beings. So there is nothing surprising in the fact that we are dissatisfied with many things at many times. The big question is whether we are prepared to follow any politician who claims to be able to "solve" our "problem."

    If we are, then there will be a never-ending series of "solutions," each causing new problems calling for still more "solutions."

    Therein lies the never-ending quest, costing ever increasing amounts of the taxpayers' money and ever greater losses of your freedom to live your own life as you see fit, rather than as presumptuous elites dictate, driven by power and greed ..don't forget where the power elite play their game..Ultimately, our choice is to give up Utopian quests or give up our freedom. This has been recognized for centuries by some, but many others have not yet faced that reality, even today. If you think government should "do something" about anything that ticks you off, or anything you want and don't have, then you have made your choice between Utopia and freedom.
    You have given your power to choose away to the very people who have taken it away.

    Food for thought...the illusive utopia does exist..where does it exist?
    Think harder...it the mind of every one...in the KNOWING it does exist...but for who..and where..and when is the choice we must decide

    BE the Change you to see in the world! (now there's a mantra)

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    Dear observer, you are here among friends, and you don’t even notice! You may not be suffering from personal depression, but you certainly appear to be suffering from the existential variety that comes from spending too much time down the rabbithole. We have all been there and recognize the symptoms. It is very laudable for you to claim you have been down there for a lifetime, but the longer it has been the more worrying it becomes. As I have said before, conspiracy research is bad for one’s health. See https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1014214 . Why? Because one tends to become like a prosecuting attorney amassing evidence to corroborate his client’s story (corroboration is good and scientific, right?), while ignoring copious evidence to the contrary that the court will also be weighing up before possibly dismissing the case.

    But I also know a little from experience about personal depression, which is related to grief, i.e. coming to terms with an irreparable loss. Let me tell you something about that. As I’ve mentioned before, I encountered personal loss at a very early age when my mother died. Such things happen, no evil conspiracy required. As a teen I suffered bouts of depression, probably because it is a time when you are learning to live without mother, so I was getting a double ration of that. Someone understanding reached out and as a result I first came to live in France when I was still only 17. You can imagine that for a young student working a 45-hour week as a manual labourer in a foreign country was no walk in the park, and it took some time and effort and imagination to get from there to the “happy place” I eventually found. This was all before I discovered how forbidding a place this planet really is in many ways. How I made that discovery and how it relates to the personal matter is recounted in this post: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1014637

    How one comes out of depression I’m not sure, but of this I’m certain: the original circumstances and cause remain unchanged (from our current perspective, the loss is truly irreparable); what changes is one’s outlook: a form of optimism, meaning making the best of a “bad job”. If one has contemplated suicide, however briefly and distantly just from a philosophical standpoint, this is the choice that has to be made in some shape or form. Simply, “To be or not to be” has changed from being one individual’s issue to a collective issue for humanity. When Hamlet talks of “rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of”, you may think that my above experience was a nonlethal form of suicide, a kind of NDE from which one is sent back. This is what I meant by saying there is no place to go (yet). One’s reality is here and now: you just have to deal with it. Anything else is escapism.

    In other words, the change of outlook I was talking about comes through adding a whole new dimension or perspective, which is to “step outside of” or “above” one’s “reality” of the moment and see it for a “fiction” within a greater “reality” – using quotes around words that are only roughly adequate. This is how “serious” becomes “laughter”, and an evil situation becomes just a bad dream. You are no longer cut off in your own private hell. Hell is not “other people”; it is separation from other people. The biggest myth about the “cabal” is that “evil” people get on with each other in any meaningful way; they do not. “Hell is other people” is true for them, but they are not talking about people in the sense that we do; they themselves are not/no longer people to our understanding of the word. They are entities more or less entirely consumed by a non-living “archontic” contagion. That is all that holds the “cabal” together, giving an illusion of concerted action. “They are very clever at what they do”, you have been saying for six years? No sir, they are totally dumb zombies, which is why one cannot get through to them – like suicide bombers on a mission.

    You have a point about certain love-and-lighters, who are talking the talk, but likely haven’t gone through the long painful process of walking the walk. Last night on TV, there was a restaurant-owner whose wife died in his arms and who lost several staff and friends in the attacks as well. He was saying he had his daughter and business to look after, and all was well. His psychologist was with him and explained how this showed he was in a bad state of shock. http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2015/11...n_8579930.html So that was a statement, not of where he is, but of where he ultimately needs to be. The grieving process is the unavoidable path from where he’s at to where he needs to be, from just saying to doing. When Greybeard denies the cosy life, he is talking for himself and for others from a standpoint of having been through personal experience, as opposed to simply learning to make the right noises. Actually, as a Jew married to a Muslim, I think this man was probably doing more than just making the right noises and knows what he is talking about…

    I’d be very surprised, observer, if you thought this concerns you in any way; coming round to that idea is the hard part. It is only natural when one feels alone to… feel alone; the only way out is to accept contradiction from someone telling you you are not alone. This difficulty is why places like Avalon are so useful: people here reach out indiscriminately to anyone and everyone, and so it is easier to break down that barrier. If not you, some reader will surely find this useful; so please take it from me, I am not talking about you at all. Let’s just thank you for this opportunity to put this out for whomever it may concern.


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