Banning a thread

[Shannon]

Posted by M0JFK (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
Yet another useless distracting thread was closed. Thanks to the mods.

why not ban the poster as well or maybe slap with a suspension. For me knowingly posting an unwanted (by the great majority of the group) thread is like mocking. just a thought.

Take the pi.. out of Fulford and you will get a suspension. On the grounds of being rude to members according to the moderator...I pointed out that Fulford was not a member of this forum so whats the score with my suspension...NO REPLY. Moderators always ruin sites and they will ruin this one...just a matter of time and you Bubu are just one more member in an ever growing number that the moderators manage to pi.. off. I wouldnt ban Fulfords news but if we are going to start baning rubbish because it is self evident (like the flat earth alternative view) then lets start doing it with Fulford also. You see you can argue for any censorship but when the censorship starts you become worse than the so called people (elites) you castigated for censorship. Golden rule is free speech, your either for it or your against it. If its rude its rude, if its touchy its touchy...but in the end it is YOU the reader that should decide if you want to read rubbish or not...its your choice to do so not the bl..dy moderators.
So what if it brings the site into dis-repute or makes us look foolish... dont yeah think the people in the alternative media already bare that bl..dy label? so what?
No censorship, no baring of topics, your either for free speech or you aint...no middle road folks...you only need to post a disclaimer if your so concerned about what people may think and if you do then your in the wrong game here and I would take up knitting and leave the alternative community to the grown up's.

I don't think the topic should be banned and disclaimers work great, works for the channeled info threads. It's just nutty when we are trying to move one way together and keep getting hemmed up on what can be easily proven as a dumb theory that has questionable attention on it.


Lol I can't help but laugh at what I just typed. Lmao. I know. I know.

[M0JFK]

Posted by Bubu (here)

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
So this thread is going to be worth while?

If we the inhabitants of the earth will have our way what shall we do with the elite that has cause us much trouble? put them on quarantine perhaps or let them do it again and again

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Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
For me knowingly posting an unwanted (by the great majority of the group) thread is like mocking. just a thought.

We often do not know what is done knowingly, as opposed to innocently, in which case it is usually best to give the poster the benefit of the doubt.

if the poster post on a previously closed same thread then you know but then of course its an added burden to the mod to check.

If we the inhabitants of the earth will have our way what shall we do with the elite that has cause us much trouble? put them on quarantine perhaps or let them do it again and again.

[Matthew]

Posted by M0JFK (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
So this thread is going to be worth while?

If we the inhabitants of the earth will have our way what shall we do with the elite that has cause us much trouble? put them on quarantine perhaps or let them do it again and again

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Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
For me knowingly posting an unwanted (by the great majority of the group) thread is like mocking. just a thought.

We often do not know what is done knowingly, as opposed to innocently, in which case it is usually best to give the poster the benefit of the doubt.

if the poster post on a previously closed same thread then you know but then of course its an added burden to the mod to check.

If we the inhabitants of the earth will have our way what shall we do with the elite that has cause us much trouble? put them on quarantine perhaps or let them do it again and again.

If we the inhabitants of the earth will have our way what shall we do with the elite that has cause us much trouble? put them on quarantine perhaps or let them do it again and again.

Each to their own. I don't know what the solution is other than to shine a light on them, and also empower ourselves more. I don't want to be violent. I think of that as one of the differences between them and us

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Skyhaven (here)
So silencing the conspiracists on the CONSPIRACY BOARD is a little off to me.

You seem to think that this is a conspiracy forum, and that therefore, were it not for the arbitrary biases of the mods, all conspiracies would be welcome.

Not so.

We're not a conspiracy forum.

We're a shared understanding, awareness and support forum.

We gather here to support each other, in various ways such as we can via a web forum, including a search for better understanding and awareness.

Revisiting nonsense, that has already been thoroughly debunked, is a distraction from our work, and not welcome here.

If you hold to the principle that all theories are equally valid, because there is no shared reality that we can come to better understand, in a cooperative effort, then ... well you're welcome to think whatever you want. You own your thoughts, not us.

But don't expect this forum, its owner and his selected moderators, to run this this forum by such principles.

In other words, not all conspiracy theories are created equally. Some help shed more light on our situation; some are, in the views of the forum's owner and moderators, nonsensical distractions. Some are welcome here. Some are not.

... and that's that.

[Jayren]

cool beans man.

[Andynko]

Posted by M0JFK (here)
I have seen it happen on many a forum where the moderators just kill it with censorship or deleting peoples post on the flimsy of grounds should somone's views oppose their own or start posting on topics they just cant handle.

This is what makes me worried about contributing here sometimes, the possibility of being shot down or warned off.
That I am going to make a statement or ask a question that might be interpreted as not being worthy of discussion of debate, when really I want to encourage conversation on a topic hoping to gain further insight and encourage others to bring their thoughts and perhaps even experiences to the table.

[rgray222]

Posted by joeecho (here)
One bans things not because they are all-knowing but because they have the means to do so.

Banning, ostracizing or censoring is all about power. The implication of, 'censoring' generally means that the majority of like minded people win or the one(s) with the most power win. Most people intellectually understand that censoring is not a good thing, but many don't actually get it. Consequently, they debate the definition of censoring to defend their position or they flat out deny that censoring is taking place.

After all it is pretty well established that everyone has a different reality. No one's reality should be cast aside because it seems too bizarre or waste of time. Personally, I am quite sure the moon is made of cheese!

[Andynko]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by joeecho (here)
One bans things not because they are all-knowing but because they have the means to do so.

Banning, ostracizing or censoring is all about power. The implication of, 'censoring' generally means that the majority of like minded people win or the one(s) with the most power win. Most people intellectually understand that censoring is not a good thing, but many don't actually get it. Consequently, they debate the definition of censoring to defend their position or they flat out deny that censoring is taking place.

After all it is pretty well established that everyone has a different reality. No one's reality should be cast aside because it seems too bizarre or waste of time. Personally, I am quite sure the moon is made of cheese!

If we create reality with thought, then why couldn't the moon be made of cheese?

[Constance]

How about we try this for an idea?

How about we work on what we can agree upon and set anything else aside?

We embrace the common ground that we do hold with each other.

We let go of the need to hold onto whatever it is that separates and divides us.

We will do this because it provides us with the opportunity to explore a higher way. Maybe another perspective that we have never individually and collectively thought of before.

We will do this because it will require us to use our imaginations, our creativity, our innovation, our improvisation, our compassion, our unconditional love and harness and stretch all areas of our intelligence.

We will do this because it requires courage to be open to new frontiers and new ways of thinking and being.

No one is excluded.

All are honoured.

If we do this here on PA with the understanding that to do anything else will ultimately not lead to peace with each other, we can be the shining light for all else to see.

[joeecho]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by joeecho (here)
One bans things not because they are all-knowing but because they have the means to do so.

Banning, ostracizing or censoring is all about power. The implication of, 'censoring' generally means that the majority of like minded people win or the one(s) with the most power win. Most people intellectually understand that censoring is not a good thing, but many don't actually get it. Consequently, they debate the definition of censoring to defend their position or they flat out deny that censoring is taking place.

After all it is pretty well established that everyone has a different reality. No one's reality should be cast aside because it seems too bizarre or waste of time. Personally, I am quite sure the moon is made of cheese!

If I was a mod I would censor your comment about the moon being made out of cheese. That is just nonsense.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by joeecho (here)
One bans things not because they are all-knowing but because they have the means to do so.

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Banning, ostracizing or censoring is all about power.

I disagree. The integrity of living or active beings or entities, whether solar systems, turtles or web forums, depends on both having the means to preserve integrity in the face of disruptions, and in using discernment when and how to use those means.

Power without discernment destroys all, self and other. Discernment without power is anemic and collapses. If your body has no immune system, the first infection kills you. If your immune system cannot discern self from other, it kills you along with whatever germs it finds.

Healthy institutions that would pursue certain goals with sustained persistence and focus, just like healthy biological bodies, require sufficient and discerning, but limited, power to preserve their integrity and endeavors.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by joeecho (here)
If I was a mod I would censor your comment about the moon being made out of cheese. That is just nonsense.

If I were a mod, I would censor your comment about censoring that cheesey comment. It mocks the role of a good mod team on a well run forum, to moderate the forum, in line with the forum's purpose, and with sufficient discernment and power to keep that forum healthy.

Oh wait ... I am a mod.

... nevermind .

[Jake]

If someone wants to honestly and wholeheartedly explore and/or promote the Santa Clause theory/conspiracy,, thats fine. Maybe Avalon is not the place, though...

A flat Earth and a Cheese moon have some pizzarific implications,,, and may have traction elsewhere,, Maybe not Avalon!

We cannot, nor would we want to stop anyone from expressing anything they want to, at any time... We CAN, however provide you the opportunity to take it somewhere else. There are plenty of places on the net to discuss santa, or the flat earth. Those topics aren't the best fit here.

Its really not that difficult.

Jake

[Carmody]

Ultimately the earth IS flat, as is everything else.

3d is just an impression, it is not a reality. If you consider it (3d and distance, etc) a reality.... remember it is not.

Even though the above is true, good luck with the whole thing....

I actually managed, once.. to commit to the visual of the collapse of the 3d linear timespace universe, into it's 2d reality as seen from outside that system. It's a pretty darned heady view/experience to be able to juxtapose both as a visual. It slips away pretty fast, I tell you. It rides the ragged limit of what the human body/mind can do.

[joeecho]

Dang, there goes my dissertation on the cheese moon.

[joeecho]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Ultimately the earth IS flat, as is everything else.

3d is just an impression, it is not a reality. If you consider it (3d and distance, etc) a reality.... remember it is not.

Even though the above is true, good luck with the whole thing....

I actually managed, once.. to commit to the visual of the collapse of the 3d linear timespace universe, into it's 2d reality as seen from outside that system. It's a pretty darned heady view/experience to be able to juxtapose both as a visual. It slips away pretty fast, I tell you. It rides the ragged limit of what the human body/mind can do.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
Free Speech is King!
I vote to ban Fulford news letters! They are of no use and there hasn't been any truth in any of them. I have followed them since the beginning and they are truly a waste of time.
( Does this mean I am going to get banned for my opinion? )

Where does it end? There is alot of threads that probably shouldn't be here BUT there can be information in these topics that leads to another path in the research of truth.

Over the years there have been many avalonians who are not here anymore for various reasons some good and some possibly bad. I miss some of the posters because they were so knowledgeable in their quest of truth. I am here because some of the topics ring truthful while others just cannot ring the bell in my brain.

If posting not so accurate posts is action for being banned then anyone that is posting probably has posted something that isn't accurate. INCLUDING MYSELF!
There are times when I post articles and then some else posts in the thread with the answer that makes the post completely inaccurate.
What then do we not post information that we find on the web anymore?
I say let's post it and members of Avalon will be the scrutineers.
chancy

[sigma6]

David Lynch's famous explanation of Consciousness...
it really does sum it up...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LYXJXQPneLM

[joeecho]

That is what a flatlander would say just with a different dimensional reference.

If you have a small-circle-sized consciousness, when you read a book, you'll have a small-circle-sized understanding; when you look out a window, a small-circle-sized awareness, when you wake up in the morning, a small-circle-sized wakefulness; and as you go about your day, a small-circle-sized inner happiness.

Hmmmmm

[Ultima Thule]

There is no cage to be rattled here imo.
And no, no the mods and this Forum is not sliding anyway into chaos and power misuse, you can mark my words.

Regarding the closed thread, the point was very clear as to why. I was trying to help make the threead a bit more possible via asking the op as to what in his opinion were the main arguments in the video. In that particular setup there was only "I'm convinced about this flat earth thingie, but you need to look at the videos (and first actually find them) to be even able to have an opinion about it". My paraphrasing..

I mean: set up a thread and present it properly and you can "get away" with just about anything.

Other thing that is good to mention here: the mods are imo very delicate considering what threads to close - imho we would all benefit from everybody thinking not once but ten times over whether the thread I am about to post is concise, well presented, not already gone through and finally: does the quality of the Forum go up when my thread is posted or at the moment it is closed? At the moment the majority of new threads are spur-of-the-moment-byproducts(I know, I've done that) - we could do with less of that and more of "less-is-more".

In that sense I would say that the free speech is not a king I would bow to - the one who knows when to be silent I would consider. Everybody "freespeeching" at will is chaos, only after censorship is introduced(Preferably by oneself or if need be by another party), free speech starts to be functional. Otherwise it's like transmitting all radio stations at the same time at the same frequency.

UT