The Billy Meier case: what's the truth?

[OMG]

I don't like the title change that admin did....ugh

It's my post...and my opinion that the Meier case is clearly the BEST provable UFO case EVER. It wasn't posted by ME to have a question mark, although people can debate what they like.

Also, I left out Billy's name in the title for reason...for the very fact that it would attract more unbiased curiosity initially by anyone interested in the topic.

[Hazelfern]

Posted by OMG (here)
I don't like the title change that admin did....ugh

It's my post...and my opinion that the Meier case is clearly the BEST provable UFO case EVER. It wasn't posted by ME to have a question mark, although people can debate what they like.

Also, I left out Billy's name in the title for reason...for the very fact that it would attract more unbiased curiosity initially by anyone interested in the topic.

silently saying thank you

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by OMG (here)
I don't like the title change that admin did....ugh

It's my post...and my opinion that the Meier case is clearly the BEST provable UFO case EVER. It wasn't posted by ME to have a question mark, although people can debate what they like.

Also, I left out Billy's name in the title for reason...for the very fact that it would attract more unbiased curiosity initially by anyone interested in the topic.

I changed the title myself: you made the opening post (and thank you! This is a very interesting topic).

But the thread title is the name of the topic, not the name of your post. It's your post, but it's Avalon's thread, you see. After you started it, it's then co-created by all the participating members. It's all a kind of rolling, organic process.

Thread titles need to be searchable, also. And when people look at the new posts list, like a newspaper headline, they need to know what it's about. Like a restaurant menu: you'd be irritated if one item said "Hey, this is really delicious!", but you didn't know whether it was fish, meat or noodles.

If it's about Billy Meier, then members and guests need to be able to search for titles containing the word 'Meier'. Or else next year, they'll never find it.

This is also why we change titles that say [something like] Hey, look at this, or This is amazing, or Check this out. They don't help anyone... especially people trying to find stuff years later. And we sometimes add [Hoax] to a title when someone's posted something with all good intentions, but after it becomes very clear to everyone that it's not for real. We did that just recently with the 'Stanley Kubrick' 'confession'.

Regarding the question mark, this thread title is also to encourage discussion. It may be your opinion it's the best UFO case ever (and it may be the most complex and longest running contact case!), but again, the title represents the Avalon thread. It's not an article on your personal blog... do you see?

The above isn't trying to whack you round the head or enforce anything... just explaining as clearly as I can the reasons for what I did and why. The thread is interesting and valuable — and thank you once more! But, in summary, it's Avalon's thread... which you generously started.

[Shannon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Karpos (here)
Bill Ryan made a great post above that i think echoes how many of us feel/felt about Meier, but ...

It's possible that billy meier was a lying scam artist fraud from the start. Just sayin'.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HxHt-R687pE

Thanks... I just watched this. Yes, the 'Semjase' photo was clearly a fake , and some of the others (the 'Wedding Cake'! ) are patently ridiculous also.

But I'm not sure if the original contact reports can be dismissed on the back of silly photos. There might well be both truth and fakery all blended together in here. As I said above, this is why people walk away.

I have a friend in Pasadena, CA who spent time with Billy back in the early 1980s, and like Kal Korff, has original material... in her case, she has many boxes of Billy's original notes of his contact experiences. I don't think even Michael Horn knows they exist.

I've never seen them myself, but they would be a researcher's gold mine. She is convinced Billy's stories (at that time) were for real. The stories are different from the photos. But it's very understandable for people to bracket them all together.

Re the 'dinner plate UFOs', here's a real one... taken in Peru in the 1960s. I know the person who took it. It's totally genuine. It's not the same as the Meier photos, but is similar. As best I know, there ARE other photos, from other parts of the world taken by different people, that look very similar to Meier's 'beamships'.

Oh man...imagine being the guy who took that picture! I don't know how I'd react, being that close and just ...there...watching this thing that we have been told doesn't exist. Just you, and that spaceship.

Pretty amazing picture.
Thanks!

[ghostrider]

When you get deeper in the case , the ETs say the human being has an immortal spirit that does not die nor sleep in the deepest sleep, it records thoughts actions and feelings and tells the human being if the thoughts are correct if he/she has learned to pay attention to it. .. the spirit form of Edward Meier they say is very ancient , 9 billion years old, the plejaren follow it wherever it incarnates, they say it has been in our time epoch as Enoch Isaiah Elijah Jeremiah Imannuel Muhammad and BEAM,-Billy Edward Albert Meier ... different personalities but the same spirit form , it always does the same job teaching creational laws to humans ...they say every time in the past the teachings are corrupted by men to control men by religion ... now with the computer age , the teachings are preserved for all time ... Billy is the seventh and final prophet/teacher ... the plejaren say their ancestors were the gods/angels of our past ...

[mahigitam]

Regarding the CIA claims, none other than Lee Elders has debunked Wendelle Steven's claims on CIA and other intelligence agencies stalking them, as Wendelle's own imaginations.
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...a-involvement/

During the Stanton Friedman (SF) and Michael Horn's interview, SF cited the research made by the "Indian guy" while pointing out to Michael Horn that Meier case is far from authentic. Well that Indian Guy is me. I have corresponded with SF and presented by research analyzing - Meier's "genuine" space pictures which EVEN TODAY are being published in contact notes and sold by FIGU, and also the so-called scientifically accurate prophecies and predictions. I presented my research on my website - www.billymeieruforesearch.com.

The verdict is clear - the so-called authentic space photos are crude hoaxes taken from illustrations, spacecraft imagery, NASA documentaries, etc. And also there is not one prophecy/prediction that has been published before the events took place. In fact there is so much of evidence showing that the prophecies/predictions have been inserted or edited, to fit the events.

Debunking Meier's space photos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-wISYli9DU

Debunking Meier's prophecies and predictions:
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com...s/#Conclusions

[Precog]

As I have said before. It's a huge red flag that he claimed to be getting information about future events but claimed 19 high-jackers attacked us on 911. I have difficulty believing anything that he has said. It could be a CIA run hoax. I had a discussion with Mr. Horn about this and he became very anger. I wonder why.

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[...]

Re: the above picture, see this other discussion starting here <--- with the main point being that those trees are not native to Peru (any Peruvian on PA to confirm/infirm?)

You could very well be correct, but if you look at the trees they are arranged in a plantation like formation, so they might be farmed trees - much like we have Scott's Pine plantations...just a thought, no need to consider this devalues the photo.

[Karpos]

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[...]

Re: the above picture, see this other discussion starting here <--- with the main point being that those trees are not native to Peru (any Peruvian on PA to confirm/infirm?)

You could very well be correct, but if you look at the trees they are arranged in a plantation like formation, so they might be farmed trees - much like we have Scott's Pine plantations...just a thought, no need to consider this devalues the photo.

This UFO photo was also said to be from the ufo Hotspot Gulf Breeze, FL ... see if I can find the link

Edit: yea, see that other thread -- https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post864114

I think it's s fake with a fake helicopter in the other photos, done up with strings like billy meier's fakes. Good one, but fake. I think bills friend of a friend lied about it being from peru .

Anyway, I personally can't understand how anyone could believe the billy meier case. If anything, it's the worst most ridiculous case ever. Van Tassel and Adamski are much better, yet with no proof like every other contactee case, unfortunately. You'd think these aliens would choose better ambassadors.

[Cidersomerset]

I'm not sure when this show was aired,( possibly 1983 ? ) Lee does say near the
beginning that five years after the case and there was a lot of interest by various
groups and agencies trying to debunk the story from the start. They play the sound
track of the plejaren craft and also take Q & A's from the audience. There are some
good questions from the callers.

The experience set Lee and his wife Brit on a long time interest into this and
related subjects, so if it was all BS I don't think they would have bothered ?

http://www.leeelders.com/home.html

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Lee Elders The Billy Meier UFO Case...Open minds

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uNwrXL3nhbw

Internationally recognized as one of the premiere UFO investigators, Lee Elders
has spear-headed research into some of the most fascinating cases of our time.
Lee spent twelve years as a private investigator for major corporations before
creating his own electronic counter-measure company, Intercep. In 1977, a
retired Air Force Col., asked Lee to look into a UFO contact case. That was the
Billy Meier case, an investigation that spanned three continents, some of the
most secure laboratories in the world and a total of five years. Then in 1991,
Jaime Maussan, a respected television journalist, asked Lee to lead the
investigation into the sightings over Mexico that began with the total solar
eclipse of July 11, 1991. Those sightings and the investigation continue today.


http://www.theufostore.com/UFO-MP3-A...-mp3-Download/

[sommervr]

I don't think it matters whether BM was contacted or not. Best case scenario he was contacted by a completely ineffectual race of keystone cops. Thanks?

[Mutchie]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
When you get deeper in the case , the ETs say the human being has an immortal spirit that does not die nor sleep in the deepest sleep, it records thoughts actions and feelings and tells the human being if the thoughts are correct if he/she has learned to pay attention to it. .. the spirit form of Edward Meier they say is very ancient , 9 billion years old, the plejaren follow it wherever it incarnates, they say it has been in our time epoch as Enoch Isaiah Elijah Jeremiah Imannuel Muhammad and BEAM,-Billy Edward Albert Meier ... different personalities but the same spirit form , it always does the same job teaching creational laws to humans ...they say every time in the past the teachings are corrupted by men to control men by religion ... now with the computer age , the teachings are preserved for all time ... Billy is the seventh and final prophet/teacher ... the plejaren say their ancestors were the gods/angels of our past ...

Ghostrider i find it very interesting that the ET'S tell us we are spiritually immortal BUT is Planet Earth a PRISON PLANET ????????

because time & again i hear about the Domain and the Soul Net which is described like an energy grid they say it surrounds our planet ...

Simon Parkes mentioned this he said when we DIE our soul wants to return to source but it CAN'T it gets CAUGHT in this grid and it is ZAPPED with a huge amount of electro magnetic energy which WIPES OUR MEMORY'S THEN WE START LIFE ALL OVER FOREVER STUCK FORGETTING PREVIOUS LIVES !!!!

Did the Plejaren ever mention any of this to your knowledge ???

Thank you.

[Karpos]

Simon mentioned this he said when we DIE our soul wants to return to source but it CAN'T it gets CAUGHT in this grid and it is ZAPPED with a huge amount of electro magnetic energy which WIPES OUR MEMORY'S THEN WE START LIFE ALL OVER FOREVER STUCK FORGETTING PREVIOUS LIVES !!!!

That sounds so juvenile. I suggest you tell your friend Simon to stop spreading this fearful baseless lie.

For starters, no one know what's happening, but the most spiritually developed humans that have ever lived mystics and saints have never come close to explaining their revelations through heightened consciousness as anything other than humanity being on a wheel of spiritual evolution something so grand that we cannot fully comprehend with our still evolving brains.

Meier's aliens were fools and gave predictions. NO ALIEN CONTACTEE PREDICTION HAS EVER COME TRUE.

For a contactee to be believable these days they would have to preach against predictions.

But let's face it, hundreds of CONTACTEEs have come and gone, from Blavatsky and her Masters, to Corey Goode and the blue birds, with flawed and different narratives about our ancient history and the nature of reality and none of it has been proven true. What it might be is that there are hundreds of crazy people who think they talk to aliens make fake photographs and videos and come on internet sites or just tell random people about their crazy life to gain attention and validation from people who are disenchanted and disenfranchised.

Maybe it's just me who is disenchanted.

[OMG]

Posted by sommervr (here)
I don't think it matters whether BM was contacted or not. Best case scenario he was contacted by a completely ineffectual race of keystone cops. Thanks?

That's hilarious!

...and kinda true from a certain perspective lol...

[OMG]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by OMG (here)
I don't like the title change that admin did....ugh

It's my post...and my opinion that the Meier case is clearly the BEST provable UFO case EVER. It wasn't posted by ME to have a question mark, although people can debate what they like.

Also, I left out Billy's name in the title for reason...for the very fact that it would attract more unbiased curiosity initially by anyone interested in the topic.

I changed the title myself: you made the opening post (and thank you! This is a very interesting topic).

But the thread title is the name of the topic, not the name of your post. It's your post, but it's Avalon's thread, you see. After you started it, it's then co-created by all the participating members. It's all a kind of rolling, organic process.

Thread titles need to be searchable, also. And when people look at the new posts list, like a newspaper headline, they need to know what it's about. Like a restaurant menu: you'd be irritated if one item said "Hey, this is really delicious!", but you didn't know whether it was fish, meat or noodles.

If it's about Billy Meier, then members and guests need to be able to search for titles containing the word 'Meier'. Or else next year, they'll never find it.

This is also why we change titles that say [something like] Hey, look at this, or This is amazing, or Check this out. They don't help anyone... especially people trying to find stuff years later. And we sometimes add [Hoax] to a title when someone's posted something with all good intentions, but after it becomes very clear to everyone that it's not for real. We did that just recently with the 'Stanley Kubrick' 'confession'.

Regarding the question mark, this thread title is also to encourage discussion. It may be your opinion it's the best UFO case ever (and it may be the most complex and longest running contact case!), but again, the title represents the Avalon thread. It's not an article on your personal blog... do you see?

The above isn't trying to whack you round the head or enforce anything... just explaining as clearly as I can the reasons for what I did and why. The thread is interesting and valuable — and thank you once more! But, in summary, it's Avalon's thread... which you generously started.

Just so everyone knows...I didn't use the term "thread" but instead used the word "post" as a general expression which most would understand. It's funny and I mention it because I came very close to changing that initially but didn't.

I understand the searchable perspective. Yet the term "best UFO case" is just as searchable as BM, although not as specific from a certain perspective.

The question mark does NOT show MY intent regarding the topic. Although is COULD show the intent of others. However, it is an assumption on YOUR part to speak for others while I was merely speaking for myself, as it should be.

Anyway...thank you for replying. Kindest regards and deepest respect.

[ghostrider]

They say the spirit is tied to the planet the body dies on , if our planet were destroyed our spirit form would cluster together and migrate to the neareast life zone , s a greenish mass of energy whih the have witnessed before, our world situation is up to us to fix , our free will , it can remain a prison or become free ... it's up to us ...they brought Enoch here to teach us the laws of creation and how to become free ... as the spirit gains knowledge , we must learn to access the storage banks/energy grid of earth where all knowledge of all lifetimes are stored , the highr your vibration the easier one can acess it , Enoch/nokodemjon can acess the fine matter realm which we would need 58 million years to reach , its why that form seemed like God to. Early man ... 12 billion year ago Enoch merged back with source , only his love for humanity brought him back for a second set of incarnations - 60-80 billion more years ...

[Karpos]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
They say the spirit is tied to the planet the body dies on , if our planet were destroyed our spirit form would cluster together and migrate to the neareast life zone , s a greenish mass of energy whih the have witnessed before, our world situation is up to us to fix , our free will , it can remain a prison or become free ... it's up to us ...they brought Enoch here to teach us the laws of creation and how to become free ... as the spirit gains knowledge , we must learn to access the storage banks/energy grid of earth where all knowledge of all lifetimes are stored , the highr your vibration the easier one can acess it , Enoch/nokodemjon can acess the fine matter realm which we would need 58 million years to reach , its why that form seemed like God to. Early man ... 12 billion year ago Enoch merged back with source , only his love for humanity brought him back for a second set of incarnations - 60-80 billion more years ...

This reads so interesting when your a bit high and just watched star wars for the second time in the same weekend. I'm not high on drugs, high on movie theater popcorn

[Cidersomerset]

This seems the most recent bit of vid I can find of Billy on U'tube from
earlier in 2015 , and he is answering a few questions about IS and
will it escalate into WW1V . He calls it that as historically the first
world war in the modern era was the seven years war fought mainly
between France , Prussia , Russia , Austria and the UK in Europe ,
North America , India and other clashes around the globe. He also
makes ref to the mil ind complex, and the pressure being put on
Russia by the EU and US. No mention of the Plejaren in this clip.



http://sevenparallel.com/era_display...%20Years%20War



New Corroboration of Billy Meier's Prophetic Information

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=d7ce5dFaSa0

Published on 3 Aug 2015

Billy Meier's prophetic information, dating back to 1951, is - again - proving to be
unerringly correct, unfortunately. Further information pertaining to this video is in
the blog "Former US Treasury Official Confirms Billy Meier's Prophetic Information",
at www.theyflyblog.com.To see the latest independent analysis, confirming the
ironclad authentication of Meier's WCUFO photos and video, click here:

http://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi_WCUFO...

See www.theyfly.com and www.theyflyblog.com for further information.

[Cidersomerset]

This is a old presentation by Randy Winters about the Billy Meier contacts,
I have not watched this for several years and is a good recap of some of
the overall events. There are good and debatable aspects from both points
of view and is a interesting account imo . The newer 'They Fly documentary'
has a different feel to it....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4x0DfgZ1RA
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Extraterrestrial Life Proof - The Pleiadians Billy Meier Documentary

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=f1z4oT7Pc8g

Published on 29 Jan 2014


Extraterrestrial Life Proof - The Pleiadians: Billy Eduard Albert Meier reports regular contacts
with extraterrestrials he calls the Plejaren. Meier claims that the Plejaren look similar in
appearance to humans from Northern Europe, and states that the Plejaren homeworld is called
Erra. It is located in a dimension which is a fraction of a second shifted from our own dimension,
about 80 light years beyond the Pleiades, an open star cluster. The Plejaren were given the
name Pleiadians by Meier up to 1995.

[ghostrider]

I havent seen star wars but, if you take the time to read the plejaren contact reports #5 , #9, #251 you will learn things that will blow your mind, and make star wars look like the stone age ... please visit the future of mankind , and theyfly.com , also they will link you to over 73 years worth of face to face speaking with people not born on earth , it will give you earth origins, universe origins, ancient history, the future , genetics, geology, science, medicine, life , death, the afterlife, other humans in the cosmos, other humans in other Universes, other humans in other dimensions, astrology, and so much more , too much to list ...the plejaren are trying to help us evolve, if we can leave behind the age of beliefs, and enter the age of knowledge ...