The case for civilization on the moon

[sdv]

Posted by str8thinker (here)
If the far side of the moon has an atmosphere, why doesn't this cause a "glow" at the edge that we can see? And why doesn't the atmosphere leak over to the side that we can see?

(Mutchie) Two of these contactees were George Adamski & Howard Menger,who unbeknownst to the general public both became secret advisors to the pentagon.

What evidence is there for this? I can find nothing relating to Adamski. On the other hand, Menger might have been used by the Pentagon, but for a different reason.

Later, in letters to investigators Jim Mosely and Gray Barker (publisher of From Outer Space to You), Menger described his book as 'fiction-fact' and implied that the Pentagon had given him the films of saucers and requested he participate in an experiment to test the public's reaction to extraterrestial contact.' He has helped us, therefore, to dismiss his entire story as not only a hoax, but a hoax perpetrated by the US Government,' wrote Keel.

The Howard Menger Case - Part 5

There seems considerable evidence that Adamski was a fraud:

There are three types of Adamski fans :

1. the credulous ones who believe all what Adamski said, either in his books or in his lectures, without ever questioning it
2. those who are afraid to recognize they could have been duped and who find it easier to believe than to deny
3. those who know he was a liar and who say the contrary for various reasons that I leave to your imagination.

Why I can say that Adamski was a Liar

More on Adamski:
UFO photos: Adamski scout ships

George Adamski

George Adamski (Wikipedia)

This image taken from William Brian's 1982 book Moongate indicates that Menger's description was similar to that of Adamski's, as noted by John Lear (see Howard Menger - Extraterrestrials link below). However, it does not exclude the possibility that one of them might have copied the description from the other.



Howard Menger - Extraterrestrials

Howard Menger case illuminates Extraterrestrial infiltration of Earthbound human society

Bizarre Moon Theories

Howard Menger’s Final Journey

Howard Menger Revisited

Official Howard Menger Website

My own position: Adamski's claims are fairly easy to debunk, Menger's less so. As for the Moon, there may well be hidden bases on the other side, but hardly forests and lakes as claimed.

There are several other threads in Project Avalon relating to the Moon.

The Hollow Moon?

The moon is artificial indeed

Far side of the moon revealed

98% of Earths Oxygen gone! Moon put here by Anunnaki

I've looked at Moon through a telescope and seen the 'glow around the edge'. It's blue (thin blue line) and I did not see it all around the moon, but I definitely did see it, more than once. Official explanations? They get rather convoluted. Here is the latest one: Dust in the lunar ionosphere (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...narionosphere/),

[sdv]

Here is a very interesting piece from Perelandra (published in 1938) by C. S. Lewis (the second book in the Cosmic Trilogy).

By the way, Perelandra is Venus, Thulucandra is Earth, Malacandra is Mars. Arbol is Sun. Maleldil is the creator (sort of like god).`There are two inhabitants of Venus (or Perelandra) and Tor is the male version. Each planet has an eldila (not god but more like a presiding spirit - the one on Earth became corrupt and Earth then became the hidden, or prison, planet).

... The siege of your world shall be raised, the black spot cleared away, before the real beginning. In those days Maleldil will go to war - in us, and in many who once were hnau on your world, and in many from far off and in many eldila, and, last of all, in Himself unveiled, He will go down to Thulcadra. Some of us will go before. It is in my mind, Malacandra, that thou and I will be among those. We shall fall upon your moon, wherin there is a secret evil, and which is as the shield of the Dark Lord of Thulucandra - scarred with many a blow. We shall break her. Her light shall be put out. Her fragments shall fall into your world and the seas and the smoke shall arise so that the dwellers in Thulcandra will no longer see the light of Arbol. And as Maleldil Hiself draws near, the evil things in your world shall show themselves stripped of disguise so that plagues and horrors shall cover your lands and seas. But in the end all shall be cleansed, and even the memory of your Black Oyarsa blotted out, and your world shall be fair and sweet and reunited to the field of Arbol and its true name shall be heard again. ...

C. S. Lewis clearly articulates the idea that there is something odd, unnatural and evil about Moon.

[KiwiElf]

Interesting synchronicity Mutchie... this article just turned up on UFO Digest's site:

Who else could be on the moon?

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/who-else-could-be-moon

By Doc Vega - 21 hours 20 min ago



One of many unexplained lunar anomalies photographed by NASA.

In 1968 Author George Leonard released a book, “Somebody Else Is On The Moon.” This incredible work predates many of the sensational theories and published works that were later to follow by such people as, Richard Hoagland’s seminal works on the Face on Mars which later became a sensation, Erich Von Daniken's Ancient Astronauts, and even Zecheria Sitchin when it came to the interpretation of an unknown phenomena. This man was a contemporary of John A. Keel, who also was busy shaking up society with fascinating theories of extraterrestrials and Fortean events.

The making of an incredible book

In his book, Leonard describes a fruitful relationship with a NASA technician who allowed him to pour over 100,000 Apollo Program photographs of the moon’s surface. This buddy forewarned Leonard that he would encounter strange things on the photos that were up to him to interpret that did not correspond to the normal expectations of most people. It is hard to say whether or not NASA had begun air brushing or smudging controversial images on the lunar surface at this point, but what George found as he poured over thousands of these photos taken by NASA astronauts was nothing short of astounding!

To properly frame the following accounts given by Leonard as well as his analysis of the anomalous nature of the bizarre evidence that a presence existed on the moon that definitely was not human, we will go back in time. Astronomers hundreds of years ago reported strange occurrences that simply did not correspond to the expectations of scientists who considered our solitary moon to be nothing but a lifeless satellite, devoid of an atmosphere.

Early history of bizarre events surrounding the moon

One of the earliest known astronomical anomalies was reported by the discoverer of Uranus, Sir Frederick Herschel, who, while using his reflective telescope in 1787 made an astonishing observation. From March to April of that year he reported observing three bright spots, 4 volcanoes, and lights moving above the lunar surface!

In 1821 a German astronomer reported blinking lights on the moon.

In in February of 1877 a streak of light was observed over the crater Eudoxus it lasted for an hour which contradicted the explanation as being a meteor.

In 1940, astronomers recorded 2 medium streaks of light appearing in the crater, Plato. Subsequent sightings of unexplained lights have continued in that crater for years.

Canadian astronomers in 1967 made the fantastic sighting of a black cloud over the Sea of Tranquility at its edges was a violet color. Another amazing sighting of a supposed 12 mile long bridge was made by another astronomer on the lunar topography, one that Apollo crews searched for while orbiting the moon years later.

These odd and compelling events prior to Apollo mission photos have led many scientists to a number of discussions over whether or not previously unknown phenomena were occurring or if there was a possibility of activity on the moon. However, George Leonard’s book made a concrete determination that made the case that the most likely explanation was that another more advanced civilization had been on the moon for sometime and were having an impact on the surface according to the myriad Apollo program lunar photos that he was analyzing.

Alien vehicles on the surface

Upon magnifying surface anomalies and studiously hand sketching what he saw, apparently NASA would not let him include the actual Apollo crew photos that he was interpreting to be on the pages of his book, Leonard began identifying individual lunar vehicles that didn’t belong to us. There was what George called the “X-drones” which he claimed were excavation rigs several miles long that were breaking down the edge of craters and constructing some kind of landscaping work.

Another such vehicle appeared to be a sphere which rolled along on the lunar surface leaving a trail impression behind it for long distances. These images he carefully transcribed on the image section of his book “Somebody Else Is On The Moon”.

Moon may not be related to composition of earth

George made an amazing theoretical prediction that someday scientists would concede that the moon did not geologically belong to the earth, that it was not a broken off chunk of our world when it was a proto-planet still in a molten, formative, stage that was traumatized by a collision with another planet or asteroid.

Some theories that suggested that a very close passing comet or other celestial body with a powerful gravitational field, simply caused a mass from the earth to tear apart from the rotating sphere only to be reacquired by this planet’s own attraction and be captured as an orbiting companion, the largest such moon in the entire solar system. Our moon is the only one in our planetary system that is composed of a supposedly heavy iron nickel core where as other moons are smaller and made of different elements. This being the case, Leonard reasoned, it was more than possible that the moon had been artificially transported by an alien race into orbit around the earth since it seemed to have no geological relationship with the our planet!

There were assertions made by Russian scientists as early as the 1950’s that the Mars moon, Phobos, was a hollow sphere and thus artificial! Why? Phobos is the only moon in the solar system to orbit around its companion planet in retrograde motion and at greater speed than any other such orbiting sphere. Just as the Russians suspected Phobos being of such a peculiar origin so was the moon according to Leonard, long before anyone voiced such an opinion.

A hollow Moon?

Apollo 12 was to conduct a strange experiment in order to take seismological readings of the moon as NASA astronauts had reported suspect softness or hollowness underfoot as they walked on the lunar surface. As soon as the two man landing team had attained a rendezvous with the command module, they intentionally crashed the Lunar landing module into the moon’s surface.

The resulting reaction was a spectacular ringing, a resonance that rang through out the entire sphere for 30 minutes after the crash. This effect had never been recorded on earth. Scientists came to two possible conclusions. Either the moon was indeed hollow or there were voids or pockets that were hollow within the matrix of the moon’s subsurface. NASA scientists simply did not want to deal with the possibility that the moon seemed hollow as if it were an artificial spheroid of some kind.

Artifacts and curiousities

Leonard’s handwritten transcriptions showed a number of odd and unnatural structures and impressions in the lunar surface that were not the product of debris left by Apollo crews, wreckage from past Ranger program satellite strikes, or meteor collisions.

So, George’s book simply remained just another thought provoking oddity in the bookstand for years to come, ahead of its time, and simply to bizarre to fit into mainstream accepted theory as most such works are. It was not until years later that revelations revealed by whistle blowers under US government employ, who would validate knowledge of cover-ups of these well known within the organization existence of such controversial photographic evidence and astronaut testimony of lunar artifacts and artificially built structures that, according to science, should not have existed on the moon or elsewhere in the solar system.

Military suspicions of alien presence

Leonard’s assertions of nonhuman activity on the moon would later be corroborated by the exposed existence of the US Army “Project Horizon” by Philip J. Corso as a result of suspected UFO presence on the moon. The US Army wanted to establish a military base on the moon by 1960 predating the Apollo missions. Donald Keyhoe had alluded to this project in his writings as well, but the security clamp put on such forbidden knowledge by the Defense Department and the Pentagon was formidable. With all but one NASA astronaut being military pilots or officers, it was destined to be that such reports of extraterrestrial presence on the moon was going to be successfully hidden if not deemed for slow release to the public over decades.

NASA personnel acknowledge the cover-up

A recent revelation that tends to verify George Leonard’s book along with his theories about the bizarre circumstances taking place on the lunar surface is the testimony of NASA employee, Ken Johnston, a Photo Data and Control Mgr. was forced to resign for revealing the truth uncovered during tenure for the Lunar Receiving Laboratory.

Johnston charged that NASA has been removing images of artificial structures and objects that were of manufactured origin not of this earth for the last 40 years. He along with another NASA, contractor, Donna Hare, an award winning photo slide specialist, and illustrator. She accused NASA of doctoring and expunging thousands of anomalies in photos taken by NASA astronauts for decades! Johnston’s allegations that there is a moon base that is not being acknowledged by JPL or NASA though they are aware of it cost him his job.

For years NASA has indirectly recognized the existence of unexplained activity under the acronym (TLP) transient lunar phenomena, but that was as far as they would go. We are grateful for the contributions of such pioneers into the release of the truth such as George Leonard for exposing a reality that few of us would ever know of but for his efforts.

EDIT: 2013-0219 - The above cited book, “Somebody Else Is On The Moon” by George Leonard, can be downloaded for free in various formats (PDF, text etc) here:

http://archive.org/details/SomebodyElseIsOnTheMoon

[DarMar]

After reading Ingo Swann's book "Penetration" (see here for a copy), and various other readings on this forum over the last couple of years ... what you wrote no longer seems like nonsense to me

A must read for any serious moon investigator, great book and great soul Ingo was.

[sigma6]

Great post, I think the Moon is artificially constructed. I would love to see the mathematical breakdown alone, which concludes that the Moon shouldn't even exist as such. the (is it) 400 to 1 ratio? of distance (for starters why should we have such a mathematically perfect number?) which creates the perfect size diameter as the sun when viewed from Earth? And tons of stuff like that. Werner's article that Hoagland mentioned clearly exposing the gravity issue, I heard he was retired weeks later? It' just sad that Hoagland thinks this stuff is so clear and straightforward. They really need to do ongoing series... (or I guess I'm supposed to buy his book...) Then there is Chris Everard's assertion that there is a book, a journal with information from all the world's most famous astronomers going back to the 15th century making observations of light, activity etc on the Moon, I think NASA now has it... And there is NO way the gravity is 1/6th, if they even jumped once they could have easily sailed 3 or 4 ft or even 10, 20 ft into the air, and it never happened ONCE... the way the sand flew up on the vehicle was another give away it should have just shot straight off for dozens of yards, but it didn't... Whether they made it to the Moon or not, what we saw was a production by the famous director Stanley Kubrick, which was very very well exposed in that French production company that did "Dark Side Of The Moon", the interviews were so candid because the Nixon scandal had just blown wide open, and everyone thought the Moon Landing had to come out, since it was so obviously faked... Never seen these public figures acting so candidly, it must have been a cathartic release, since the blame was now all dumped on Nixon. A second chance after the Kennedy assassination to come clean, but noooooo...

I can sort of understand the atmosphere argument basically saying the moon is more egg shaped, and it does seem to be held in some kind of gravity well, I didn't know there were gravitational anomalies on the moon that is more supporting evidence. I think there is evidence of atmosphere, because there have been shots of what looks like clouds moving over the surface. Not sure about Trees and stuff, I figure most of it is underground. But looking forward to any more detailed extrapolations... If we only knew the truth... It needs more study!

[hangel]

vast amount of stuff about the Moon Mutchie!

the structures and presence of human(oid)s is also discussed elsewhere. One of favourite subjects of Richard Hoagland is the Moon. im not a great fun of RH as i feel his ego is bigger than the Moon itself. Anyway, yes there are some researchers that have photographs with some details that may indicate a glass like dome's present on the Moon. RH speaks of it as it were ancient ruins of a civilisation.

Yes, Neil Armstrong was affected by something there. Something that he could not speak about.

Ingo Swann 'went' to the Moon on one of his missions described in Penetration. I strongly recommend reading it. Its available online for free.
i dont want to spoil the reading for you, but yes there is something. Something that stopped official space program on Earth on digging deeper into a subject of the Moon and our trips there.

Other than that i came across a book: 'Who build the Moon'. the book tells even more interesting and highly impressive facts about the Moon and its influence on whatever happens on Earth. i.e. growing and reproductive seasons, tilt of the Earth's axis etc.

in terms of being a space ship.. its not that big in fact. recent pictures on internet according to shielding Earth from coronal mass ejections are MUCH bigger. Norman Bergrun in the interview with Kerry and in his book describes spaceship nursery near Saturn. He has some interesting images taken by the vikings. The images and his conclusions on what is on them is worth a minute. Norman compares different images and spaceships sizes... There is one mentioned that it may be size of the Earth. He calls it a baby ship... So, yes the Moon could be an artificial spaceship. And in Norman's terms the Moon is a tiny baby ship.

i heard somewhere that it has a computer inside that controls us and our reality.. not sure about this. Who knows.

A couple years ago NASA launched a nuke to blow an ice cup on one of the Moon's poles. Its was SO strange when in media some politicians went and said 'so what will happened to the fairies living there' or something in this kind. I believe that the nuke had more to it that just blowing some ice off the ice cap and then analyse the spectrum of that to see what elements it is made of.

However it is, my favourite thing about the Moon is well described by...

Obi Wan Kenobi: "That's no moon. It's a space station"

[Youniverse]

Just wondering what you all think about "Mona Lisa of the moon" and the ship she was found in? Also those other pictures circulating on the net of towers and buildings on the moon?

[Magnus]

Posted by Youniverse (here)
Just wondering what you all think about "Mona Lisa of the moon" and the ship she was found in? Also those other pictures circulating on the net of towers and buildings on the moon?

It's hard to confirm or deny the authenticity of anything about this, but in my mind it sure is a probable reality. In my opinion "Mona Lisa of the moon" corresponds rather well to the asian guise, and personally i find her to be a pretty little alien.

We know so little about everything that it's almost scary, like if everyone of our space / interdimensional neighbours are all working together to intentionally keep a lid on history, our origin and universal knowledge in general. How else is it possible for us to know so very little about anything and everything? Who knows what transpired in "mona lisas" case, did someone leave her there to be found as a stepping stone in a trail of secrets that will lead to answers?

Let's just hope that whoever did that horrible thing to her face, either did it in some form of medical attention to help her out or at least did it to her when she had already passed. If not, i have no reason to believe that the perpetrators would have been very nice people.

The video of "Mona Lisa" is supposedly shot in 1976 and if someone faked all of it, they did a good job.

Here is an interview with William Rutledge made by Luca Scantamburlo in 2007. As always, be your own judge.

[Lifebringer]

C'mon, people who have read our history have known they don't pay to go visit but occupy throughout, those in-noble romans still conquering inside their minds. Setting flags as if they created or discovered these bodies. They've been here for years, and you have to know they were surveying the bases to be built, only to discover they weren't the only ones there and are being carefully observed. I've always thought that the base was a back up escape, if they decided to nuke the whole planet and wait the radiation out, but since that's now not possible, they have to remain where they are until they are dealt with in only the way a Creator can deal with them. Case in point, The Pope. Looks and Sounds like a candlestick has been taken.

Whoever takes over now will only be running a continued criminal organization under the name of religion. It won't sit well with the people and that is why they are out of touch with what is going on now and don't understand the jig is up. There time is over, it was not for the good of man, and as long as these religions have been in place taught by these guys, there has been wars, murders, crime, and no love for the people they are supposedly leading. ONLY the 10% kitty every Sunday? Promises that it will change, as they continue to harm our children.

Yep, good times ahead, and for those who aren't for the good, they will be going bye, bye. They simply can't exist with real freedom in our souls.

[PRAGMAE]

Just wanted to share with those who doesn't know that guy. Here thee is nothing like oxygen or something, but few nice moon shots (and sometimes strange things).

Love watching his vids.

https://youtube.com/user/jivebop

[norman]

Posted by PRAGMAE (here)
Just wanted to share with those who doesn't know that guy. Here thee is nothing like oxygen or something, but few nice moon shots (and sometimes strange things).

Love watching his vids.

https://youtube.com/user/jivebop

I like looking at the moon, and that video was almost inspirational enough for me want to get my own tracking telescope.

His conversions from kilometers to miles weren't even wrong though. 70 k doesn't equate to 112 miles, he must be using his conversion algorythm backwards. 70 k is more like 47 miles ( at a guess ).

That doesn't say much for his Pascal programming.

[Atlas]

Can someone tell me if these photos are real ? Thanks.

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[Nick Matkin]

First photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49487266@N07/6996897690
Second photo close-up: http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2012/03/0...ron-sky-video/

Probably not real...

[Atlas]

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
First photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49487266@N07/6996897690

[Mutchie]

I cannot believe it is 2014 and officially we have NEVER BEEN BACK TO THE MOON !!!

Havent others noticed there is a serious lack of interest in space travel thesedays i mean here we are with ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY and yet getting to the moon 240,000 miles away seems beyond us ... Isnt a landing planned for 2030 or something ? Is the VAN ALLEN BELTS really that DANGEROUS ?

[Mutchie]

Our understanding of reality is Ever evolving... since i started this thread in 2011 which i had seen elsewhere" it was originally written by John Lear " I have continued to chip away trying to find out whatever i can and NOW more than ever before i realise that the moon is NOT what they would have you believe i hope that in my lifetime it may be possible to visit our moon

ps - Where there is life there is ALWAYS hope

[Mutchie]

I took the time to read a link Bill Ryan had posted recently for Ingo Swanns book and it was EXCELLENT here we have a guy REMOTE VIEWING for the Secret Service it doesnt state whether it was CIA or NSA but what is apparent is that these guys KNEW there was LIFE up there ... Ingo speaks about HUMANS WORKING NAKED INSIDE A CRATER there was some sort of covering therefore a breathable atmosphere ...The Moon was being MINED most likely for Helium 3 but that was not clarified ... These Humans were A LOT MORE TELEPATHIC than we are & it seems their technology was years ahead of our's ... They had even infiltrated our Society ... I always meant to ASK BILL RYAN IF HE SAW PICTURES OF MINING STRIPS on the Moon when him & Kerry visited & interviewed John Lear because John had EXCELLENT material ... At this point im leaning in the direction of the MOON BEING A SOVEREIGN NATION i believe they mostly live underground or in Domes all with artificial atmospheres supplied they are Human as far as i can tell and they have advanced technology including huge space crafts etc ...Armstrong was supposed to of said their ships were HUGE & VERY MENACING HE SAID WE WERE TOLD TO LEAVE & NOT COME BACK Anything else on this topic would be GREATLY APPRECIATED thank you.