At the Vatican, Up Against the World

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“My technique is don’t believe anything. If you believe in something,
you are automatically precluded from believing its opposite.” - Terence McKenna

Terence McKenna Responds to an Angry Christian

[On Art Bell Coast to Coast]

Published on Jan 9, 2016

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TLgHiiFxUKQ

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Via ~ The Schwartzreport

231 children participating in a choir run by Pope Benedict’s brother,
Georg Ratzinger, were sexually and physically abused by priests.



Just when I think the Catholic sexual child abuse scandal is finally over, another cultural IED blows up. This one is mind-boggling. Reading it I could only wonder if this was a factor in Pope Benedict resigning and retiring.

The take away is that whenever religions — of whatever denomination or sect — try to manipulate human sexuality, only damage, pathology, and pain results.

NEOnline/GK - New Europe

"231 children, who participated in a choir led by Pope Benedict’s brother, were sexually and physically abused by priests.

The first allegations for the sexual and physical abuse of children in Domspatzen – which is the official choir for St. Peter’s Cathedral in Bavaria, Germany – made public in 2010 when well-known German composer, Franz Wittenbrink, told the German magazine Spiegel he had been abused while enrolled in the choir.

On Friday, a lawyer who is hired for investigating the case, announced that 231 children in the choir were abused physically and sexually between 1953 and 1992, many by the director of the affiliated Roman Catholic school in Regensburg. According to AFP news agency, the number of the victims is now three times more, compared with a previous church report.

The Domspatzen choir was led between 1964 and 1994 by Georg Ratzinger, brother of Pope Benedict XVI and lawyer-investigator Ulrich Weber, said that he “must assume” that Georg Ratzinger had at least some knowledge of the children’s abuse. However, Ratzinger is not accused of committing any of the alleged crimes.

According to Slate.com, Ratzinger now lives in retirement at the Vatican and his brother Pope Benedict was accused before and during his tenure as pope, of playing a key role in covering up the sexual abuse cases which hit the Vatican church.

According to AFP, Weber said the reported instances of sexual abuse included offenses such as fondling and rape while physical abuses such as withholding food and beatings also occurred. Wittenbrink, also told Spiegel in 2010, that there was a “system of sadistic punishments connected to sexual pleasure,” in the “religious” school."

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Pope Francis set for historic Orthodox Patriarch meeting

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Unprecedented: Pope Francis and Russian Patriarch Kirill to meet in Cuba to heal 1,000 year rift

By David on 6th February 2016 Religous Fraud

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5HdOf6W61ZA

‘The head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, is to meet his Roman
Catholic counterpart, Pope Francis, during a historic visit to Latin America. The
groundbreaking meeting is to happen in mid-February in Cuba.

The meeting between heads the two major Christian churches would be an
unprecedented move to mend a millennium-long rift between the Western and
Eastern branches of the religion, which started with the Great Schism of 1054.

The upcoming meeting confirms Russia’s status in the Christian world, according to
Alexandr Avdeev Russia’s ambassador to the Holy See. “In light of the Western
sanctions, the meeting between the two celebrants is a confirmation of Russia’s role
in Christian civilization,” he told TASS.’

Read more: Unprecedented: Pope Francis and Russian Patriarch Kirill to meet in
Cuba to heal 1,000 year rift

https://www.rt.com/news/331391-russi...rch-meet-pope/

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THE PERSECUTION, THE PATRIACH, AND LAST AND LEAST, THE POPE
Posted on February 7, 2016 by Joseph P. Farrell

"This story was the subject of much discussion in last Friday's members' vidchat, and then, after the end of that event, many people sent me this version of the story from Russia's Sputnik site, and there's much food for thought here.

But first, I'd like to put all my cards on the table, and explain the title of today's blog, and why I am emphasizing the Papacy last, and least in the headline, and it is not simply because of my long association in the past with Eastern Orthodoxy, but that is part of it. It has always bothered me - perhaps intensely - that the modern secular West seems almost viscerally afraid of Eastern Orthodox cultures, and especially, of Russia. One person sent me a version of this story from a website, and the title of the article said it all: "Humble Pope To Meet Scandallous Patriarch," meaning of course, Patriarch Kryil of Moscow. The scandal here concerns criticism of Kyril's rather lavish lifestyle that has occurred in Russia. Whether true or not, it was an attitude that I've seen before, as long ago as my professorial days teaching medieval history, when one of my textbooks had a chapter (only one chapter!) devoted to covering the Byzantine Empire and the Islamic Middle Ages, in a chapter somewhat rudely and dismissively titled "Europe's Neighbors." The meaning was clear: "Europe" meant the societies that emerged from the Christian West, i.e., the from the Latin Church and Papacy; the East remained an inscrutable reliquary, not worth studying in depth and comparing to the West, and this was particularly the case in the study of the major differences in theological formulation - and yes, the differences between the two churches are major, and not minor - that lead to major differences in church government, piety, and ultimately the cultures that emerged in each case.

But there's another operative factor here, and that is what happened at the Second Vatican Council held in the 1960s under the pontificates of John XXIII (Angelo Cardinal Roncalli) and his successor Paul VI(Giovanni Cardinal Montini). Without getting into the gory details of the Second Vatican Council, for all intentions and purposes virtually every classical formulation of Roman Catholic teaching was abandoned for a stew of platitudinous pronouncements, especially on relationships to other religious bodies, including Islam. The only "traditional" language that remained was the language concerning definitions of papal claims, power, and prerogative, and these would would have pleased a Pius IX (Giovanni-Maria Cardinal Mastai-Ferreti), who succeeded in having the papacy proclaimed infallible at the First Vatican Council in 1870-71. (And, for the record, there was significant opposition at this council and after it to the definition, though the opposition ultimately failed. But that's another story.)

Under this new "ecumenical" outlook, a whole host of "dialogues" with the Islamic world was initiated; dialogues that have, to this day, not succeeded in seeing any Christian churches opened in Saudi Arabia, and which have produced no ameliorations of the second-hand status of non-Mulsims in many Islamic societies, and which, to the contrary, have presided over a period of increasing persecution of Christians - be they Roman Catholic, Orthodox Catholic, Coptic, Nestorian, or Armenian - in the Islamic world. To put it bluntly, but plainly, it has been a stellar, and stunning, record of failure. But after all, it is difficult to negotiate with an unreconstructed ideology of warfare against ... well, against just about everybody that isn't Islamic.As the former Muslim and scholar Ibn Warraq put it, the Islamic world needs not just a Reformation, but an Enlightenment. To the Vatican's credit, however, Pope John Paul II did warn that American unipolarism and intervention in Iraq would spiral out of control, and lead to increasing persecution of Christians. His foresight has proven to be the case.

Which is why I find recent pronouncements from the Vatican so very interesting from this ecumenico-historical point of view, for Vatican spokesmen, including Pope Francis I himself, have made it clear, that Christians have the right of self-defence under the conditions that the old compact of their tolerance under otherwise reprehensible regimes of Saddam Hussein or, yes, a Bashar Al-Assad or Hosni Mubarek, has been broken.

In that rather broad context, then, consider this article on the meeting to take place between Russian Orthodox Catholic Patriach of Moscow, Kyril, and Roman Catholic Pope Francis, in, of all places, Havanna Cuba:

Orthodox, and Roman, Catholic Leader meeting Vital to Protect Christians

What I found intriguing about Sputnik's take here is that the purpose of the meeting clearly is to discuss the persecution of Christians, which has reached epic proportions in the Middle East and Africa, with little being said by Western leaders. The choice of Havana itself is interesting, since Cuba is, of course, a largely Roman Catholic country, with a long history of association with Russia during the Cold War, making it difficult to ascertain if this meeting and its venue was largely a Vatican initiative, or that of the Patriarchate of Moscow. My intuition says that this was perhaps a bit of both, and that it has been in long quiet preparation.

In any case, it's tremendous grist for the mill of our high octane speculation, for what does it really portend? I suspect, and suspect strongly, that it portends a huge geopolitcal shift is in the offing, and that religion, or if you will, "Christian civilization" is the cover behind which it is being engineered. It is this factor that makes me suspect that Russia and the Moscow Patriarchate played more than a merely passive or respondent role to Vatican initiatives, for if this analysis be true, then we can expect any statement or statements to come from this meeting to do two things: (1) to emphasize the need for honest dialogue with the Islamic world, and not just a perpetual capitulation of the Christian to the Islamic worlds. In other words, expect the usual platidudinous ecumenical flannel, but lurking behind it, a subtle but nonetheless discernible change in tone behind the warm fuzzies and group hugs. (2) But I also suspect, if not in any initial statements, then in future "clarifications" both from Moscow and Rome, that it will be made clear that this right of Christians in the region to self-defense in the face of brutal, medieval, and barbaric persecution, that this right extends and is to be understood to include economic security, equal status before the law, and ultimately, the right to use force or to request military assistance - perhaps in the guise of "international peacekeeprs" - to secure those conditions. One can also look forward to some subtle, but firm, opposition both from the Russian government, the Moscow Patriarchate, and the Vatican, to you-know-who's not-so-subtle attempts to introduce "anti-blasphemy provisions" against its religion at the U.N., an effort that undermines the most fundamental condition of any free society: free speech.

This sweeping geopolitical and cultural change - if this "high octane reading" be true - also signals something else, and it is equally as significant as the meeting itself. When Jorge Cardinal Bergolio was elected and took the name Francis for his pontificate, I suggested that perhaps this was a signal that the Vatican powers-that-be in the Curia were recognizing, at long last, that the center of Roman Catholicism had shifted from its historical home in Europe and the First World, to the second and third worlds, and that it was thus to be considered a "bridge" papacy to a realignment, more openly, with those worlds. While the Vatican will continue to be intertwined, financially, with the West for some time to come, make no mistake, meeting with the Patriarch of Moscow may also signal that shift of orientation.

If any of these predictions and speculations are true, then we can expect them to be borne out, slowly.

Time, of course, will tell if all these high octane speculations and predictions are true or not. But whether they are or are not, the meeting itself, and its venue in Cuba - a country with its own track record of religious persecutions - is significant enough. To put it country simple, I suspect that the venue's choice was deliberately chosen by both churches to emphasize that they mean business."

See you on the flip side" ...

Giza Death Star
The Website of Dr. Joseph P. Farrell

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Mexico unveils new non-bulletproof 'popemobile' ahead of Papal visit

Mexico unveils new non-bulletproof popemobiles for Pope Francis's upcoming visit to the country.
Report by Jessica Wakefield.

Published on Feb 9, 2016

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bire8zeJbS8

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Leonardo DiCaprio gives the pope a gift.
Pointing to a picture in Hieronymus Bosch
Complete Works of Art Book.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KLnNa5KwkJo

"Depicting Planet Earth.
When many thought the earth was still flat.
So it represents to me the promise
of the future and enlightenment.
and representatioal of your view here as well"

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the scoop ...

Why are the Patriarch & Pope meeting in Cuba?

"Logistically, Havana turned out to be a great place for the Christian leaders to meet as both are about to start their tours through Latin America. RT's Ilya Petrenko reports from Cuba, where 79% of the religious population is Catholic - but that doesn't mean there are no Orthodox landmarks."

Published on Feb 12, 2016

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QFQT7aL8LZQ

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same old same old ...

Via Schwartzreport

Catholic bishops not obliged to report clerical child abuse, Vatican says



This guidance from the Vatican is so bizarre one has to ask what is actually going on? Here’s my take: The proportion of the Roman Catholic clergy that is homosexual or bisexual, but in any case not celibate, is so large, and there are so many people who would be involved and embarrassed that this community can bend policy to their aims, even in the face of ridicule and derision.

Stephan A. Schwartz

Stephanie Kirchgaessner - The Guardian (U.K.)

The Catholic church is telling newly appointed bishops that it is “not necessarily” their duty to report accusations of clerical child abuse and that only victims or their families should make the decision to report abuse to police.

A document that spells out how senior clergy members ought to deal with allegations of abuse, which was recently released by the Vatican, emphasised that, though they must be aware of local laws, bishops’ only duty was to address such allegations internally ... Read the rest

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John Paul letters reveal 'intense' friendship with woman

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Pope's plane reports laser flash during Mexico landing

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From Joseph P. Farrell

THE FULL TEXT OF THE JOINT DECLARATION OF PATRIARCH KYRIL III AND POPE ...

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Catholic Church Sex Abuse is ‘Scandalous’ Betrayal - Pope Advisor

From The LipTV

Top Pope Francis advisor Cardinal George Pell admitted Sunday that the Catholic Church has made "enormous mistakes" in dealing with sexual abuse allegations as he testified at a public hearing of an Australian investigative commission in Rome. Was Pell complicit in the church’s cover up of the sexual abuse of thousands of children by priests over centuries? We look at the Vatican’s lack of transparency on the Lip News with Elliot Hill and Sasha Kai Parker.

Referenced story: Top Pope Francis adviser admits ‘scandalous’ response to sex abuse allegations

Published on Feb 29, 2016

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A0U6Ka34dCA

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i will always love Jesus, no matter how they play him ...

John Prine : Jesus The Missing Years

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p9BRia7J9P4

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Jordan Maxwell On The Catholic Church, The Vatican
& The Bizarre Death Of Justice Antonin Scalia.

The Richie Allen Show

Published on Mar 22, 2016

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uBdmOI2MwgA

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I've been listening to several related vids as usual after listening to an interesting interview
there are a few vids on here related to the Vatican , that may have been posted on here
earlier , but I'l post any way.......


Re: Jordan Maxwell: World Criminalty, The Vatican & The Bizarre Death of Justice Antonin Scalia


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-World/page49

David is touring the Vatican while he was in Rome doing a presentation in 2011....

This is a interesting look at the eternal city if you have not seen this vid before
and worth a watch imo......



David Icke in Rome - the London-Rome Beltane Ritual 2011 (Full Film)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TU70G9lM6Ds

Uploaded on 11 Jan 2012


A 90-minute documentary shot in Rome by Neil Hague and produced by Jay4louise.
David highlights the importance of Rome and London to the global conspiracy and their
Satanic ritual connection when he visited Rome on the recent Beltane weekend in which
the Royal Wedding in London on April 29th was followed two days later by a major ritual
in St Peter's Square related to Pope John Paul II on the key Beltane date of May 1st.
A coincidence? Not a chance.
http://www.davidicke.com/

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-World/page49


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Another prophetic video from David around the late 1990's early 2000's I think ?



David Icke giving a tour around London City (Babylon-don)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eVkk1zKdkMo

The City of london is actually called The Corporation of London. And it rules all other citys.

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Truth will prevail even in Hollywoodland ...

Academy Award for Best Picture 2016 ...

Spotlight

"In 2001, editor Marty Baron of The Boston Globe assigns a team of journalists to investigate allegations against John Geoghan, an unfrocked priest accused of molesting more than 80 boys. Led by editor Walter "Robby" Robinson (Michael Keaton), reporters Michael Rezendes (Mark Ruffalo), Matt Carroll and Sacha Pfeiffer interview victims and try to unseal sensitive documents. The reporters make it their mission to provide proof of a cover-up of sexual abuse within the Roman Catholic Church."

Note available on - YouTube, iTunes, Amazon and more ...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EwdCIpbTN5g

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Interesting commentary from Alex Jones with Leo Zagami ...

Pope Calls For World Leader To Save Earth

"On today's show, researcher Leo Zagami breaks down how
the "Panama Papers" could influence global politics" ...

Published on Apr 6, 2016

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OopozmkaAsI

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a holy message ...

"It can no longer simply be said that all those living in any
'irregular situation' are living in a state of mortal sin."



Pope to church: Be more accepting of divorced Catholics, gays and lesbians

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Via Stephan A. Schwartz ...


Catholicism’s multibillion-dollar brand is struggling despite Pope Francis




"I don’t do stories on the sexual dysfunction issues surrounding the institutional Roman Catholic Church unless there is something notably egregious about a particular story. Part of the reason for my decision about this is that I do not want SR to be seen as a Catholic bashing website. That is not my personal feeling and I don’t want even the appearance of bashing. The other reason is that I could run child abuse stories everyday. And I am not speaking here of just the U.S.. The media of Ireland, Poland, and Australia, to name but three nations have reports on child sexual abuse literally everyday, and it is more or less the same story each time. Other than numbers there is nothing new. Finally, I respect Pope Francis and what he is trying to do to save his church.

But the takeaway from over a decade of reading these stories each morning as I go through the world English language press is that the Catholic Church as an institution has a major and apparently irreconcilable dysfunction when it comes to human sexuality. This is a sick institution essentially standing at a cross roads. One road leads to inclusion, growth, and a change in rigid clerical celibacy.

The other leads to focusing on Africa and parts of Latin American, where old-fashioned patriarchal rigid sexual distinctions prevail for the moment. It would probably buy Catholicism another century, but even in Africa and Latin America the arc of history bends towards tolerance and inclusion, which spells ultimate decay of institutions like the Roman church. If that is the road chosen, which seems to be what is happening, I think we will see the Church wither into a vestigial organization in the developed world. It is already well along in much of Europe which, after centuries of religious wars, just isn’t interested much in religion of any kind. But it is also happening here in the U.S. Millennials are dropping away from religion in droves.

This essay lays out a number of the major issues facing the Roman Church." SAS

Brendan Canavan - UPI

When the chief executive of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein, told a newspaper the firm was "doing God's work," his appeal on behalf of higher powers was an attempt to rescue the tainted reputation not only of his own investment bank, but of the entire industry. But for the Catholic Church, even this most obvious of strategies might not be enough to stem an inexorable decline ... Read the rest