Should the government be able to make Apple crack the iPhone?

[mojo]

Even though want to know whom was behind the San Bernardino shootings I feel it is too important to keep our privacy as best we can.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AFGrYu8NHF8

[risveglio]

Whenever a question starts with Should the Government, the answer is almost always no.

[Michael Moewes]

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

Here is the newsletter from Apple. Now this really makes me think again to switch to an New Iphone.

[robinr1]

the government wants to know who was behind the san bernadino shootings? hahaha . that's a good one

Posted by mojo (here)
Even though want to know whom was behind the San Bernardino shootings I feel it is too important to keep our privacy as best we can.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AFGrYu8NHF8

[NewFounderHome]

Should the government be able to make Apple crack the Iphone? The answer is NO. Apple did decide to protect their clients! Maybe they are the only ones in the cell phone industry to protect their clients or maybe they will be offered $$$

[rgray222]

The problem as I see it, is that the government is not requesting that Apple provide a method of breaking into one cell phone, they are asking for the master key to break into or open every apple phone ever made. This is a slippery slope that I don't think anyone wants to go down except Obama and his group of intelligence cronies. It seems the only transparency this government wants to be party to is "transparency about our lives."

[jerry]

Its all smoke and mirrors apple unlocked iphones for feds 70 times
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...-feds-70-times

“We’ll know our disinformation programs are complete when everything the public believes is false” William Casey CIA Director 1981

[TigaHawk]

Do you really believe all of that?

You think they have not already got it cracked? Of coarse they do!

[mojo]

Wow the poll so far is showing the results so skewed in one direction. Maybe showing we are a group much more informed on subject matter...

[KiwiElf]

It's just as rgray222 said: there is a huge difference in hacking a single phone and forcing Apple to make a back door for all iPhones.

[cursichella1]

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
Do you really believe all of that?

You think they have not already got it cracked? Of coarse they do!

You're right. This is blatant disinfo. The technology available to the public now has to be 20 or more years behind what our Govt has and their ability to crack the latest iPhone was probably easily accomplishable in the 80s-90s.

For those needing a refresher, here's some abridged Disinfo 101: Disinformation is false information deliberately promoted via the media or spread as rumor in order to influence public opinion, distract from or obscure the truth or in this case, several truths.

Which they hope will lead to this kind of thinking:

Gee, Wally! If they can't break the iPhone code then San Bernardino just couldn't have been a false flag! Law enforcement must have the master code to stop terrorists and keep us safe! This proves that Snowden was lying, that traitor! We need to increase defense spending to stay one step ahead of the terrorists!! You're either with us or with the terrorists and if they can hide in San Bernardino they could be in this town, too! There must be an imminent threat for the head honcho to publicly beg for help! And while we're at it, let's give more billions to defense contractors and tech firms! Ban encryption altogether! Take away our rights! (A h€ll of a lot easier now with Scalia on permanent hiatus!). Whatever it takes to keep us safe!!!

[Innocent Warrior]

I find it difficult not to believe this is a publicity stunt, big corporations own governments and intel agencies, we may as well just call the government custodians of the system, who are hired by corporate elitists.

[Midnight Rambler]

Child pornography and terrorism are the two arguments used by the governments to continuingly deminishing peoples privacy.

With a backdoor in the security not only the government agencies can have access to the phone, but other criminals as well. :-)

[Lifebringer]

If the owner is dead, or no longer a party of the 1st part, and the evidence is in custody, then the evidence must be opened to pursue the criminals who terrorized. Since when are the terrorist more protected than those they want to harm?

I say if the perp is dead, there is "no privacy issue." NO person, no privacy. Simple as that. Who'll object, someone else who doesn't own the crime or phone with the evidence or connections to ISIS?
And they need a court order for this decision?
Ha, some judges and law system. Who's the privacy for? A dead person who no longer has rights as their last rites were given at the time of them dying.

[Lifebringer]

apple can crack the encryption, download the file and not have to breech it's encryption mechanism. Why isn't the 'almighty snoop squad that can spy on neighbors overseas unable to hack this one? Seems they just want to get the encryption keys, and I don't thing there are that many terrorist to risk privacy, but then again, this world is so screwy at the time, where wrong is right and right is wrong, I'm stumped on this. I have a hackaphobia because all my books are on this pc, and I don't want them in someone else's hands, so i've got lots of pin drives all over the place with various chapters scattered so I keep them all here now. Gotta do something about that.

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They want "p2p" Permission to Peep. Ha. NO they can't have that, or do they already and want it on the law books to cover their tails.

[sunpaw]

I (am about to) work in health care (office) and came across an article regarding privacy/protecting sensitive information of patients.
Even though many people are handling the data - everyone involved has to work towards protecting data/privacy.

Since health care involves contacts (phone calls/phone numbers) as also a lot of documentation (switched from 'analog'/paper to digital): this data needs to be 'protected' too.

The article recommended to NOT use Apple/Iphone - because of frequent automatic 'backup's' of all ....(stuff) on Apples servers - which can't be turned off, 'chosen',...
In health care everyone working with the data is liable for all risks how data is handled, stored- however Apple isn't part of that system.
The backups are a known (maybe not widely but still) procedure.
A business using Ipones to call patients - is already a breach of protecting the data BECAUSE Apple logs that.
So data gets outside the system - as a patient I could sue the business for not protecting my data.
Even a small care business has on average 120 patients. For each patient are contacts listed: the patients, relatives (often more than 1) or appointed guardians, the patients doctors - this is already a huge amount of data and we are not even in detailed data like birthdays, address, insurance data (even just which provider).
The documentation required by law and keeping the records for many years (3-30years or longer) requires easier systems to handle the amount (not only to keep track FOR the patient) but also to proof at any time there were no errors. In care or billing.
So a small care business operating for under 10 years easily generates data for roughly 1000 patients or more - including additional data of a lot more people involved at one point - because everything also needs to be documented - and kept safe for many years.
So businesses now use tech - business phones, devices for daily plans (at a small business 10/15 devices depending on how many employees take care of patients during the day) and computer/laptops and servers, which need to be able to run different special software - databases for patient information which is also part of the billing system. Billing system isn't just 1 bill per patient but many bills depending on the 'service' - which is outlined and part of laws. So in order to even run the small business taking care of patients, pay employees and 'survive' as a business everything needs to be within law.
So having only even just contacts of patients or their relatives at a Iphone is breaching that law BECAUSE of the backup Apple does automatically. Since handling sensitive data and PROTECTION is HUGE deal - a business already can start closing when purchasing and using Apple. Penalties: ranging from breaking law (paying or jail time), contracts (paying or jail time since it involves law (no room for interpretation but strict), to not get payed (and not be able to pay employees, rent, ... - resulting in not only firing people but still have to pay them for a period of time even the company might not even exist anymore - due to sudden bankruptcy. Bankruptcy because the amount involved which is not only held back but can be date back even (paying back previous 'income'). And why? Just for using an Iphone and due to Apples 'costumer friendly 'we back up automatically on our servers so you can restore whatever''.

Which was mentioned and recommended not to use in a small article of a monthly 'newsletter' written for a branch of the huge health care system to help smaller businesses in that branch to survive the jungle of laws attached - to just even provide care for people (elderly, disabled, injured, recovering).
So while it seems to be known and and critical enough to point out and clearly recommending NOT to use in that article - even though I am interested in tech: that was new to me (guess mainly I am not interested in Apple besides the Ipod shuffle I own (and already found to 'operate' that was a pain (however there are ways to NOT use the software and just use mp3 btw) and maybe the retina display tech).
A private person might not even realize what the costumer friendly back up ALSO means (for me as a private person I'd think 'yeah I can restore my stuff) - that everything gets logged (which I might not be able to restore, but its logged).

I use Android (have a knack for Samsung ) - so when I first arrived at the company I was pleased to see 1) tech 2) Samsung. And even while starting to understand the difficulties of running the company in the first place (laws, laws, laws,...) - the article made me realize.
I am still pleased with 1) and 2) - and additionally 3) the boss keeps taps on whats 'better'.
Not saying Android is 'safe' - but with Android a closed system within strict law is possible. The devices (Samsung) allow for closed systems, the business phones (Samsung) too. The provider is within how to handle and protect data.
And Apple and Iphone just isn't.

So Apple actually doesn't even need to 'open' a backdoor. And since its like a high level (priceless) ad-campaign being 'pressured' to 'allow or implement a backdoor' AND REFUSING LOUDLY - I guess its safe to assume 'buy Apple products' (not for me though). And 'a apple a day' might even add to it.

*Sigh

[Michael Moewes]

But it's the Government that leads both points by far. You maybe refer that the government likes to get the rivals out of the way.

Posted by Midnight Rambler (here)
Child pornography and terrorism are the two arguments used by the governments to continuingly deminishing peoples privacy.

With a backdoor in the security not only the government agencies can have access to the phone, but other criminals as well. :-)

[NewFounderHome]

Well let's be far. Reverse engineering is not a big and popular discussed subject but is very real. Not much can’t be copied or (hacked, cracked). This is not new.

Another point is then this publicity is very good for Apple, it makes them look very good. Not real! But … but you know!

[mojo]

The more thinking about this the more I believe there is another agenda. We all know they already have the phone records and it appears to be more of an excuse to create a back door that the corrupt gov will use against citizens.

[Midnight Rambler]

The less privacy the people have the easier it is to control them. Consolidation of power is the main objective here.