Is this really Nibiru ?

[astronomylive]

Posted by Mutchie (here)
See the above video ... Why is it footage like this keeps getting filmed if it,s all a HOAX ?

Because people keep filming filter flares with their phones and cameras, but either don't understand how filter flares work, or deliberately lie and pretend it's real. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. It's just a filter flare. It doesn't matter how many times people film filter flares. Yes, it produces a nice round reflection of the sun offset from the sun's position and it appears to remain "stationary." It's not stationary though, or rather, it's "too stationary." By that I mean the filter flare remains fixed in the same place even as the camera is rotated. This is of course unnatural, but by panning the camera around without rotating it appears to remain fixed in the sky at a fixed distance from the sun rather than moving around like a regular lens flare. The problem for the hoaxer is that even in trying to pan the camera without rotating it the human hand is not precise enough to avoid a small degree of rotation. You can't see it when just watching the video, but if you stabilize frames on the sun a second or two apart after a panning motion you'll see that the horizon line is rotated while the filter flare is still in exactly the same place. If you stabilize the frames by aligning the horizon line you can see the perspective distortion from having moved the camera, but the horizon line is now constant in rotation yet the filter flare itself has rotated in an unnatural way:
http://h.dropcanvas.com/fld0p/filterflare2moves.gif
Notice the slight rotation of the filter flare to the left of the sun. It's moving because his motion of the camera is not perfectly panning alone, there's a slight bit of rotation to it, and this produces an equivalent amount of rotation in the filter flare relative to the horizon. It's just too small to see until you grab a couple frames spaced a second or two apart and rotate them to keep the horizon exactly level between the two frames.

[astronomylive]

Posted by Mutchie (here)
Thank you EVERYONE.

I noted he was trying to say that this object was the same object that GOOGLE SPACE had BLACKED OUT for a few years ...

That's a frequently repeated lie. The space "blacked out" by google sky is still "blacked out" and is completely different than the location of the "winged object" which has always been on google sky. Here's a video of that "winged object" from years ago on youtube, as proof of the lie that it was only recently "uncensored."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6AIpBZos4Rk

The true "missing region" of google sky has been studied by amateur astronomers and in fact the film negatives from the exact missing image have even been located and examined to verify that there is nothing there.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5YfQCl4TLXE

As for the "winged object," it is a T Tauri star and reflection nebula (T Tauri stars are young pre-main sequence stars frequently associated with reflection nebulae due to their immaturity). It hasn't moved or grown in at least 60 years; the time from the original palomar sky survey images of the nebula until this year when it was again examined by an amateur astronomer with an actual telescope, not just google sky (google sky's mosaic is created from some of the Palomar sky survey images). See the end of this webcast for a side by side comparison:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0Wpx48cb_44

The "object" seen in the ISS images is just a bit of schmutz on the window of the camera housing. It is always in that location in that particular camera when the lighting is right, no matter where ISS is around the earth.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=197U9j1XkzE

[Meggings]

This came to me through an old friend. The note on it said "This is not a camera flare. It was seen with the naked eye."

[Bill Ryan]

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Yes, these have been published before, here, here and here. The oldest of the three (I think!) dates back to 2013.

They're a kind of rare refraction effect — a bit like a mirage. And yes, I'm sure they were seen by the naked eye!

But they can't be a real 'second sun'. If they were seen (e.g.) at sunset, then they'd still be in almost exactly the same place, relative to the real sun, the next morning when the sun rose again.

But these artifacts always disappear — because they're artifacts, albeit spectacular ones. Rainbows, sun dogs, halos, Brocken Spectres, and (most) mirages don't last all that long, either. That's because they're all dependent on atmospheric conditions.

Thinking logically, there's no way something like that could appear and disappear, or only appear very occasionally, in some parts of the world but not others. If they were really two suns, everyone would see them, all the time, throughout the day, literally from dawn to dusk, all over the world. (And it would also get pretty hot! )

These unusual effects are ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS seen at sunrise or sunset... never in mid-day, when the sun is overhead. (The significance of sunrise or sunset is that there's a LOT more atmosphere between us and the sun at those times, because of the angle of view — which is WHY we get sunset or sunrise atmospheric effects of any kind, and why the sun is so orange then also.

[ks4ever]

If you want to know anything on Nibiru go to Marshall Masters website at
http://yowusa.com/
I have found this site one of the more creditable sites to keep an eye on.
Many prominent scientists, including Patrick Flanagan, have eluded to people being able to see it for themselves by November to December this year.
I am pretty convinced, but seeing is believing and I will wait.

[Carmody]

Posted by astronomylive (here)

Posted by Mutchie (here)
See the above video ... Why is it footage like this keeps getting filmed if it,s all a HOAX ?

Because people keep filming filter flares with their phones and cameras, but either don't understand how filter flares work, or deliberately lie and pretend it's real. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. It's just a filter flare. It doesn't matter how many times people film filter flares. Yes, it produces a nice round reflection of the sun offset from the sun's position and it appears to remain "stationary." It's not stationary though, or rather, it's "too stationary." By that I mean the filter flare remains fixed in the same place even as the camera is rotated. This is of course unnatural, but by panning the camera around without rotating it appears to remain fixed in the sky at a fixed distance from the sun rather than moving around like a regular lens flare. The problem for the hoaxer is that even in trying to pan the camera without rotating it the human hand is not precise enough to avoid a small degree of rotation. You can't see it when just watching the video, but if you stabilize frames on the sun a second or two apart after a panning motion you'll see that the horizon line is rotated while the filter flare is still in exactly the same place. If you stabilize the frames by aligning the horizon line you can see the perspective distortion from having moved the camera, but the horizon line is now constant in rotation yet the filter flare itself has rotated in an unnatural way:
http://h.dropcanvas.com/fld0p/filterflare2moves.gif
Notice the slight rotation of the filter flare to the left of the sun. It's moving because his motion of the camera is not perfectly panning alone, there's a slight bit of rotation to it, and this produces an equivalent amount of rotation in the filter flare relative to the horizon. It's just too small to see until you grab a couple frames spaced a second or two apart and rotate them to keep the horizon exactly level between the two frames.

The shape of a lens for a cell phone camera and the quality of the housing and barrel, coatings and so on, create a situation where artifacts and internal reflections..all under under extreme contrast conditions, like trying to film/capture bright lights in darker spaces..... are the normal course of affairs.

Real lenses are designed to overcome such issues, as much as is possible. They tend to cost hundreds and up for the lens alone.

Thus, $3-6 auto focusing cell phone cameras with lenses so small that the lens seriously limits fidelity.. well.. they just don't make the cut. Not even close, not even in the same country.

typical cell phone lens. The primary lens ends up creating reflections when bright dots are in the image.

[onawah]

There's a great article about Patrick Flanagan here: http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ing-allan.html
Does anyone have a link to where he eluded that Nibiru will be visible this year?

[Nick07]

Someone said the plejaren people said that. It's a planet no doubt. Ancient civilizations have talked about it put it on a star map along with other planets and thousands of years later our scientists have found them but they are not saying anything about planet x.

[Lloyd]

Why Not
I read most of Sitchin's books and found them interesting, but I think his stuff is largely disinformation. Hoagland was told that Sitchin was an Israeli Mossad agent or something like that, if I remember right. Dave Talbott said Sitchin's interpretations of the Sumerian tablets were way off. Tom van Flandern said the supposed planets shown on one Sumerian image could not have been the solar system as it existed in Sumerian times. He also said a 3,600 year highly elliptical orbit would be unstable and an object could not remain there for more than one orbit.

Talbott said what Sitchin said were people from a planet Nibiru, were gods of Sumer which were actually planets in the solar system, which the ancestors of the Sumerians thought were large people in the sky. The planets were arranged in a temporarily permanent polar conjunction before the time of the Sumerians; but the knowledge was passed down to them from their ancestors, which is what all ancient mythology is.

Nibiru = Venus; Inana = Venus
Here's something I posted recently on Talbott's forum.
Antoine Gigal
http://gigalresearch.com
I just found out about this unconventional woman Egyptologist. She seems to have a lot of knowledge about ancient myths and she has lived and studied in Egypt for over a decade. She's French, so her English is a little accented. In the first link below there's an interview with her, in which she says there was a female sphinx across the Nile from the male sphinx. She says the pyramids were built when Egypt was forested and had plenty of rain instead of desert and that the famous pyramids were built before a great flood, which was 23 meters deep on the great pyramid. She says a lot of objects and documents go missing after they're sent to labs for analysis, but that oral traditions are reliable. She says Atlantis was ancient Egypt, that "atl" meant "canals". And there were underground places of shelter for the ancient Egyptians. Maybe people survived underground during the Great Flood. What do you think about that?

NIBIRU is NEBHERU, the planet Venus
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...planet-Venus--
According to the ancient Egyptians: Venus i.e. Hathor or the “House of Hor, the House of Horus, the golden Horus” - In ancient Egyptian "Neb Heru" /NEBHERU/ House of Horus/Venus was known to have had different places in the solar system in the past before stabilizing.
- ... There are no Sumerian tablets that speak about Nibiru,they do not exist! Many people for years asked Sitchin to point out to them where in the Sumerian tablets the references to Nibiru are, but he never gave them this information.

HATHOR and NEBHERU
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/hathor-nebheru.php
[Image of] "Hieroglyph for Hathor: the house of Horus"
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/imag...hor/hathor.jpg
The image shows the head of Horus (a hawk) as white and round, like the planet Venus, and the body light olive green. The body looks like a comet form. Don't you think?

[Image of] "Hathor Hair curls: the path of the planet inside the Solar system in the past;"
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/imag.../hathor-03.jpg
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/imag.../hathor-04.jpg
"... as well in the horns of the sacred cow another symbol for Hathor."
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/imag.../hathor-05.jpg
"As well in the Omega sign : Omega describing also the ancient "forced" path of Venus. For that reason Hathor is depicted as a celestial cow with the cosmos, stars and planets in her dress and with a globe inside her horns."
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/imag.../hathor-06.jpg
http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/imag.../hathor-07.jpg
-The goddess with hair curls looks like the Venus comet.
-The globe in cow's horns also looks like the Venus comet.
-The globe here is reddish, so the comet probably appeared reddish at times, possibly due to dust in the inner solar system.
-The omega symbol looks less like a comet. Maybe comet Venus looked like Omega when facing upward at the horizon. Omega means the end: the end of what?

Ouroboros
The ouroboros was a circle-shaped serpent biting its own tail, or a circle-shaped dragon and serpent biting each other's tails. This circle was formed possibly by the Venus comet, before it appeared as a comet. The circle surrounded Venus and the conjunction of planets. The circle was called the circle of Ra or the house of Ra. Horus was Mars, I think, which was in the house or circle.

Does anyone doubt that Venus appeared as a comet in ancient times? Is there any reason Venus could not have been on an erratic orbit, as Gigal explains? Could Venus have gotten close enough to cause the Great Flood by tidal forces?

[najara12000]

The You Tube channel coming from Texas indicates the Nibiru system is getting closer and closer. This is his latest video as of January 20, 2016.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Unk7AhK0lqg

It's rather large. I've watched a few of his earlier videos several months ago and whatever it is wasn't as large as it is here in this video.

If this is not Nibiru, then what is the explanation for what he has been tracking?

[OneKind]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PpeODyleqGg

So I have a lot of videos, and I am hoping that someone here might be familiar enough with astronomy to help me ID the little white sun. The one above is one of the clearer examples.

Here's another showing the sun changing sizes without clouds obscuring it...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L5zNG5rfCd0

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by OneKind (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PpeODyleqGg

So I have a lot of videos, and I am hoping that someone here might be familiar enough with astronomy to help me ID the little white sun. The one above is one of the clearer examples.

Here's another showing the sun changing sizes without clouds obscuring it...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L5zNG5rfCd0

Perhaps you have found something all the amateur astronomers across the globe with their sophisticated equipment have missed.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by OneKind (here)

So I have a lot of videos, and I am hoping that someone here might be familiar enough with astronomy to help me ID the little white sun. The one above is one of the clearer examples.

I've just merged your new thread with one of the many that already exist (this one). But there are so many threads about this, many of which ask the same questions, that I was really spoiled for choice!

Do please take a look at my post here (post #24 on this thread), which may offer an answer. (Short version: this is an atmospheric effect, for sure.)

[Ioneo]

It looks like soul to soul is correct. The video is gone.

[najara12000]

I just found this channel recently with information and pictures. (what are they seeing?)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1jfK5vi-51A

There are other channels out there, too.

[najara12000]

This is a different channel

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8ax6JdkH6rk

[Ultima Thule]

Posted by najara12000 (here)
The You Tube channel coming from Texas indicates the Nibiru system is getting closer and closer. This is his latest video as of January 20, 2016.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Unk7AhK0lqg

It's rather large. I've watched a few of his earlier videos several months ago and whatever it is wasn't as large as it is here in this video.

If this is not Nibiru, then what is the explanation for what he has been tracking?

I personally see in this exactly nothing. As to the question of what he has been tracking - he has been tracking cloud configirurations and atmospheric colors(ie light through mediums). In my opinion, he could have just as easily tracked zoo animals or different makes of cars in the clouds. As he himself points out, it is everytime different - I would say he finds whatever he wants and creates a rationalization to fit it into his context.

I would argue: let the clouds disperse, there is nothing to be seen here. Furthermore I would be most interested if someone in, say this Forum, would come up with a linguistic factor analysis algorhithm that would track different Nibiru-stories and secret space program stories and new age stories/channelings and crunch it down to exactly how few sources in the bowels of internet these stories originate from. At this point most of the info is untraceable rumours.

Also - as to notions of Nibiru not expected for another year or two - perhaps, but then again it has been right around the corner for at least 15 years?

UT

[Richard S.]

Found this:



Peculiar that the mainstream seems to be looking for a 9th planet with a 10,000-20,000 year orbit???

[Bill Ryan]

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Again — please!

If it was next to the sun (and especially if it's supposedly a very large object!), 7 billion people would see it all the time, including when the sun was overhead, and NOT just at sunrise or sunset or in unusual atmospheric and/or cloud conditions.

We have to be intelligent about this. I always appreciate and value curiosity, but we also have to be smart. It's not right next to the sun — it can't be — but I do think that it's very possible a large astronomical object exists out there which the public has not been made aware of. I wrote about this here (copied below), which najara12000 has already read:

Posted by najara12000 (here)
(What I've read here--Bill Ryan doesn't believe this will happen)

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
Bill believes this Nibiru stuff is untrue because (possibly amongst other reasons) amateur astronomers - many having excellent equipment - would by now have spotted a celestial object that is supposed to be close enough to be visible by everyone by now, or March, or summer 2016, or spring 2017, or autumn 2017, or whenever it's scheduled to appear.

A clarification of my views — if any may be helpful:

1) As Nick says, it's nowhere close to Planet Earth. If so, thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world, working for no-one, with excellent telescopes, would be screaming from the rooftops. (They aren't.)

2) All the purported photos of a supposed object near to the sun (usually taken with cellphone cameras, and ALL taken at sunset or sunrise, which tells us something) are of atmospheric anomalies of one kind or another. If it was very close to the sun, 7 billion people would be able to see it every day, including when the sun was overhead. There's nothing there.

3) Zecharia Sitchin's stories of the Anunnaki riding around on Nibiru, patiently waiting (and presumably bravely suffering the extreme cold!) for it to approach Planet Earth again, can't possibly be accurate. The Anunnaki, who certainly existed and continue to exist, are an advanced race with space flight capability of their own. They can — and do — travel here any time they want to.

4) I do believe that a large celestial body that's a member of our solar system, with a highly eccentric and oblique orbit, may very well exist, and it's very possible also that it periodically comes in quite close, in which case electromagnetic effects on the sun and other planets would certainly become evident. A few notes on this:

• It might very well be a brown dwarf (as Andy Lloyd argues).

• Project Camelot witness Henry Deacon called it 'the second sun', and was surprised we didn't know all about it. (He told us he had heard it discussed when he was working for a classified project within NOAA. It appears to be well-known within the intel community. I do NOT know why its existence is being kept classified.)

• If it is a brown dwarf, it's likely to be very dim optically, but radiating strongly in the infrared. And a number of orbiting infrared telescopes have been launched in recent years, which is interesting.

• Bob Dean stated that he'd heard from reliable sources that 'Nibiru' would come detectably close (my paraphrase) to Earth in 2017. Jake Simpson confirmed that ('as best he knew', he said).