Robert Graves and Archaeolmythology

[Ewan]

Posted by Robert Baird (here)
So whenever the people who NEED myths decide to gather their collective ignorance I will be banned - I know.

Robert, I am sure you have much of interest to share with us, I know I'm at least intrigued by many of the topics you raise. But surely your attitude is self-defeating. If you want to share, (cast pearls as you put it), then a more amicable stance would in turn produce keener listeners. Just a thought.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Robert Baird (here)

So whenever the people who NEED myths decide to gather their collective ignorance I will be banned - I know.

Well, let me see if I can inject a touch of diplomacy. It may be needed.

This is what I see, and/or may be able to contribute here:

• You're very well-researched, and certainly have some interesting information to share with others. You've published 83 books. (We counted them.)

• You appear to have very little patience with others. As someone who is intellectually honest to a fault, I'd expect you to be well aware of, and acknowledge, that.

• And you may be aware of this, also: in the way you communicate, you do not always come over as a very likable person. (We can only know you from the posts you've written, as we've not met you personally.)

• Avalon is not only a library, but it's also a university. There are many here who do not have your age (some members are teenagers, although they're very bright), depth of experience, or years spent in research. Some members have told us publicly that they've 'woken up' (a metaphor, but you'll understand it) just a very short while ago... in some cases, just a few months back. They're still trying to figure out what's really going on in the world. (And kudos to them: that has my greatest respect. Most people never bother.)

• There's limited value in having a wealth of information to share and then being unable to (or unwilling to) handle questions, comments, misunderstandings, and feedback from your audience. This is not a stage that you're on: it's a Round Table. Some of the young(er) people here may be the alternative media heroes of the future. You may owe it to them (I'd suggest) to give them your best. Not your 'take-it-or-leave-it' worst.

• When you start threads, you start conversations. Just as in a [virtual] room full of people. Those conversations are not your 'territory' (though you may feel that way) to keep people out of, or ask people to stay away from. You simply started the interesting discussion. If people weren't interested or didn't care, they'd not then join in. If you don't WANT a discussion, then either don't start one, or go elsewhere and write more books (and all books are essentially a monologue, involving no-one else).

• I assume (but I may be wrong) that you came to Avalon not to proselytize, but to engage in discussion. Unlike some other forums you may have been on, there are an exceptional number of well-informed, intelligent, and also very nice people here (some of whom you've insulted already, despite only having been here a week). Remember — you may have things to learn, also: you don't know what you don't know. (None of us do.)

• To risk a summary: you're an academic (essentially), and not a 'people person'. That's why you do what you do. It's your specialty and expertise. But to rephrase what I said above, you're really compromising your ability as a teacher if you're not willing to put time and effort into your personal communication. And many here who are teachers — real ones in classrooms and universities, both former and current (and I'm one of them) — will know that the ability to connect with people to effectively increase their knowledge is of paramount importance if one has valuable information to share.

[Citizen No2]

I feel I need to state this here, at this point.

It is obvious, to me at least, that Robert has some extremely well researched and varied information. I have spent a couple of hours over the last 24 reading many of the posts' on his forum. I can't help but think of Eric Dollard. I have watched and read many of his videos and findings, I have high respect for Eric Dollard. According to a few of those that have spent time with Eric his behaviour at times can be very challenging........... But this should in no part detract from the information, and Robert, should you happen to read this I in no way imply any disrespect, sometimes people who have the most amazing minds can lack slightly in other skills.

We talk a lot about tolerance here, maybe it is time to grow a little thicker skin and practice what is preached. It really would be a shame to cast out the baby with the bath water.


Regards.

[AriG]

Good Lord. Your posts are as dull as watching paint dry. Spin a yarn Mr. Baird. You have managed to take an interesting subject and present it in such a clinical manner, it is akin to reading a technical journal. And for the life of me, I cannot understand why Bill has not already unsubscribed you. He has unsubscribed many more for far less. I guess he thinks you bring something of value other than ego, blatant rudeness, arrogance and sociopathic behavior to his forum. Didn't your mother teach you any manners? I am embarrassed for you.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Robert Baird (here)
the 13th Century BPE

As best as I can see in a quick search, "BPE" stands for "Before Present Era". So what time range to you mean by "13th Century BPE?"

• Should I subtract 1200 to 1299 years (up to 1300 years ago, from "13th century") from the present time, getting something between 816 and 915 AD?
• Or are you using "BPE" a synonym for "BCE", Before Common/Christian Era, meaning 1200 to 1299 BC?
• Or did you mean what we would normally call the 13th century, without the "BPE" qualifier, meaning 1200 to 1299 AD ?

[seah]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Robert Baird (here)

So whenever the people who NEED myths decide to gather their collective ignorance I will be banned - I know.

Well, let me see if I can inject a touch of diplomacy. It may be needed.

[...]
[*]To risk a summary: you're an academic (essentially), and not a 'people person'. That's why you do what you do. It's your specialty and expertise. But to rephrase what I said above, you're really compromising your ability as a teacher if you're not willing to put time and effort into your personal communication. And many here who are teachers — real ones in classrooms and universities, both former and current (and I'm one of them) — will know that the ability to connect with people to effectively increase their knowledge is of paramount importance if one has valuable information to share.[/LIST]

in the interest of saving space I've condensed your words, Bill. I hope the formatting comes out right.

In my opinion, this is one of the most skillful examples of tactfulness and unbiased regrouping of a situation that could quickly get out of hand and I thank you for that because what Robert has to say is of interest to many, including me. Don't shut him down.
Our language does not make it easy to communicate the nuances of these sensitive subjects that by and large are new to most of us, then, there's our egos.

Robert, my friend, I'm opened to learn, in fact I crave it, but treading softly is a more appropriate approach here...everywhere there are rules, you know the drill.

[AriG]

Posted by seah (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Robert Baird (here)

So whenever the people who NEED myths decide to gather their collective ignorance I will be banned - I know.

Well, let me see if I can inject a touch of diplomacy. It may be needed.

[...]
[*]To risk a summary: you're an academic (essentially), and not a 'people person'. That's why you do what you do. It's your specialty and expertise. But to rephrase what I said above, you're really compromising your ability as a teacher if you're not willing to put time and effort into your personal communication. And many here who are teachers — real ones in classrooms and universities, both former and current (and I'm one of them) — will know that the ability to connect with people to effectively increase their knowledge is of paramount importance if one has valuable information to share.[/LIST]

in the interest of saving space I've condensed your words, Bill. I hope the formatting comes out right.

In my opinion, this is one of the most skillful examples of tactfulness and unbiased regrouping of a situation that could quickly get out of hand and I thank you for that because what Robert has to say is of interest to many, including me. Don't shut him down.
Our language does not make it easy to communicate the nuances of these sensitive subjects that by and large are new to most of us, then, there's our egos.

Robert, my friend, I'm opened to learn, in fact I crave it, but treading softly is a more appropriate approach here...everywhere there are rules, you know the drill.

Between you and me (and about 20,000 other people who view this site) I suspect that Mr. Baird, through some convoluted logic, might be trying to poach members to his own forum. A forum that appears to be a majority of one. Why else would he sweep in as the ultimate authoritarian on just about every subject, insult this forum's founder, belittle the intelligence of members and very specifically violate Bill's "living room creed"? He is either launching a very odd recruitment drive or... he is psy-ops and his site is an information gathering tool. Or I could apply Occam's razor and suggest that he has some development issues. That said, there is plenty of information on the subjects he slaughters... why follow him? I do not mean to be cruel here. But sometimes fire to fire is the best approach and he has had no reservations about his approach. Don't you find it rather curious that he has not 'thanked' a single member? Even the ones who are lapping his Kool-Aid?

Whatever his motivations, he has sparked curiosity at the least. I looked. I searched. However, I can only find one of his books, for sale on Amazon of all places. Didn't Bill say he authored 28 books?



Edit to add: ok, he has now thanked 10 members. As of yesterday, it appeared he had not. My apologies Mr. Baird.(<-- this is what we call humility here on Earth)

[PurpleLama]

There is a Robert D Baird, and a Robert M Baird, both of whom are authors.

[araucaria]

Posted by AriG (here)
Whatever his motivations, he has sparked curiosity at the least. I looked. I searched. However, I can only find one of his books, for sale on Amazon of all places. Didn't Bill say he authored 28 books?

No, Bill said 83 books. And give the man his due, he has thanked 10 people, including, oddly enough myself*. 83 books is a lot of time spent on one’s own, way past the ‘maybe you need to get out a bit more’ mark. Joining Avalon is possibly Robert Baird’s way of getting out a bit more, and we should show a little patience. However I do find the ‘casting pearls’ rant beyond unacceptable, because if you complete the expression ‘casting pearls... before swine’, that makes pigs of the rest of us.

As to the quality of those pearls, that is for other people to decide. You cannot have exposure without exposing yourself and you cannot have readers without scrutiny and criticism. Otherwise, you’ve just found an even more antisocial way of being antisocial. As I was saying earlier, black-and-white value judgements are already an indicator of something not quite pearly. But then again, even the finest pearls, being themselves formed around a speck of dirt, just go to show that nothing is absolutely perfect.

* Just seen your edit.

[Sierra]

Posted by Robert Baird (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Robert Baird (here)
The reason I would not post to such a thread is due to people like you who say my attitude is insufferable because I correct their nonsense and provide evidence to the contrary. Which is also why I will probably have little to say on most threads here.

So if the general attitude of various members and moderators of this forum is that the attitude you are displaying on this forum is insufferable, does this mean that you would not post on this forum? (Just checking ...) That could be arranged .

Yes, indeed I have no reason to cast pearls or participate in promoting scams and mind control. I can develop the facts for all manner of things I see here which in fact are doing just that. So whenever the people who NEED myths decide to gather their collective ignorance I will be banned - I know.

Oh dear, so far off the mark, so unwitting, so ignorant of your own part, and responsibility in the group dynamics of a forum. If you are banned, it will be because you are a rude son of a bitch, not because of the material you present.

We are really trying as a collective, to welcome you here, but attacking Araucaria because you couldn't be bothered to keep your facts straight as to who is quoting whom is not a good way to begin...

Quit jumping down people's throats, and oh lord, PLEASE quit dropping insults on the state of humanity as you go along. It is so unpleasant be jerked out of a train of thought to bite down on your sour grapes, and whining martyrdom while reading something interesting. So what if the rest of the world (in your opinion) is dumb as a sack of bricks, we don't need to hear it.

Welcome to Avalon, Baird. You're a tough old geezer, and it might do you well to treat us as potential friends rather than dim bulb yahoos. You might finally land on a forum that does not ban you.

Wouldn't that be nice?

Sierra

[AriG]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by AriG (here)
Whatever his motivations, he has sparked curiosity at the least. I looked. I searched. However, I can only find one of his books, for sale on Amazon of all places. Didn't Bill say he authored 28 books?

No, Bill said 83 books. And give the man his due, he has thanked 10 people, including, oddly enough myself*. 83 books is a lot of time spent on one’s own, way past the ‘maybe you need to get out a bit more’ mark. Joining Avalon is possibly Robert Baird’s way of getting out a bit more, and we should show a little patience. However I do find the ‘casting pearls’ rant beyond unacceptable, because if you complete the expression ‘casting pearls... before swine’, that makes pigs of the rest of us.

As to the quality of those pearls, that is for other people to decide. You cannot have exposure without exposing yourself and you cannot have readers without scrutiny and criticism. Otherwise, you’ve just found an even more antisocial way of being antisocial. As I was saying earlier, black-and-white value judgements are already an indicator of something not quite pearly. But then again, even the finest pearls, being themselves formed around a speck of dirt, just go to show that nothing is absolutely perfect.

* Just seen your edit.

Beautifully said and you are much kinder than I. "Casting Pearls before Swine" is a metaphor for not wasting your value on those undeserving. So although Mr. Baird may not be calling us pigs, he is certainly suggesting that he is wasting his valuable time with this forum. That we are not worthy of his self declared brilliance. Makes one wonder why he is here. Chris needs to give him some instruction on ego, or the taming there of

There really isn't much more to say on the subject unless of course, he continues to drop bombs. That said, I won't be reading any more of his posts/threads. Personally, I find his writing style tedious and non-engaging.

[Sierra]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Robert Baird (here)
the 13th Century BPE

As best as I can see in a quick search, "BPE" stands for "Before Present Era". So what time range to you mean by "13th Century BPE?"

• Should I subtract 1200 to 1299 years (up to 1300 years ago, from "13th century") from the present time, getting something between 816 and 915 AD?
• Or are you using "BPE" a synonym for "BCE", Before Common/Christian Era, meaning 1200 to 1299 BC?
• Or did you mean what we would normally call the 13th century, without the "BPE" qualifier, meaning 1200 to 1299 AD ?

Yeah. What date range does BPE, refer to?

[Robert Baird]

My understanding is that rather than the Christian dating BCE you use BPE.

[Nasu]

Posted by AriG (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by AriG (here)
Whatever his motivations, he has sparked curiosity at the least. I looked. I searched. However, I can only find one of his books, for sale on Amazon of all places. Didn't Bill say he authored 28 books?

No, Bill said 83 books. And give the man his due, he has thanked 10 people, including, oddly enough myself*. 83 books is a lot of time spent on one’s own, way past the ‘maybe you need to get out a bit more’ mark. Joining Avalon is possibly Robert Baird’s way of getting out a bit more, and we should show a little patience. However I do find the ‘casting pearls’ rant beyond unacceptable, because if you complete the expression ‘casting pearls... before swine’, that makes pigs of the rest of us.

As to the quality of those pearls, that is for other people to decide. You cannot have exposure without exposing yourself and you cannot have readers without scrutiny and criticism. Otherwise, you’ve just found an even more antisocial way of being antisocial. As I was saying earlier, black-and-white value judgements are already an indicator of something not quite pearly. But then again, even the finest pearls, being themselves formed around a speck of dirt, just go to show that nothing is absolutely perfect.

* Just seen your edit.

Beautifully said and you are much kinder than I. "Casting Pearls before Swine" is a metaphor for not wasting your value on those undeserving. So although Mr. Baird may not be calling us pigs, he is certainly suggesting that he is wasting his valuable time with this forum. That we are not worthy of his self declared brilliance. Makes one wonder why he is here. Chris needs to give him some instruction on ego, or the taming there of

There really isn't much more to say on the subject unless of course, he continues to drop bombs. That said, I won't be reading any more of his posts/threads. Personally, I find his writing style tedious and non-engaging.

Well said, both of you...

It's been a while since anyone wound me up like this, it reminds me that I still have much to work on within myself. If it were my party he'd be out on his ear, along with his great work. Ive been told that every party has a pooper...

However, lucky for Mr Baird, the party belongs to Bill and I would like to take a moment to publicly commend him on his diplomatic behaviour regarding our new member, clearly Bill's got the patience of Solomon and sees pearls where i can only see swine excrement.. I hope Mr Baird's membership and great work is of help to others. I hope Mr Baird has the humility to look himself in the mirror and is able to turn this membership around.

History teaches us nothing if we are unwilling to learn from it and change ourselves..... N

[Robert Baird]

Yes, it is a waste of time to converse with KNOW it all alien and religious types who do not THINK and attack people who do the work. I believe I have more than 83 books including those at Amazon and Invisible College. But I get no money from those sources and I do not seek "your" exposure.

You could say a lot about ego if you studied the mirror.

[Robert Baird]

Dear Nasu

The prior post was not for your response.

Your response suggests I am lucky to be here - why would that be? Would that mean you think you and your group of idiots including Bill who affronts reason in interviews with people talking about 2012 being some horrible thing, or the MMS guy who is a weak homeopath - etc. Are worth trying to educate? I have done this a long time - and there are very few people I feel lucky to be associated with. Those who actually study usually agree. Bill strikes me as a nice guy making money with this venture - Sol - o - moon he ain't. As I said - and look forward to - remove me as you wish.

[araucaria]

Posted by Robert Baird (here)
Dear Nasu

The prior post was not for your response.

Your response suggests I am lucky to be here - why would that be? Would that mean you think you and your group of idiots including Bill who affronts reason in interviews with people talking about 2012 being some horrible thing, or the MMS guy who is a weak homeopath - etc. Are worth trying to educate? I have done this a long time - and there are very few people I feel lucky to be associated with. Those who actually study usually agree. Bill strikes me as a nice guy making money with this venture - Sol - o - moon he ain't. As I said - and look forward to - remove me as you wish.

Before you go, please be so good as to tell us why you joined in the first place.

[PurpleLama]

Nevermind.

[Becky]

Posted by Robert Baird (here)
Yes, it is a waste of time to converse with KNOW it all alien and religious types who do not THINK and attack people who do the work. I believe I have more than 83 books including those at Amazon and Invisible College. But I get no money from those sources and I do not seek "your" exposure.

You could say a lot about ego if you studied the mirror.

Seriously Robert, what planet are you from?

You really have been very rude and arrogant. You may have done your research on other topics (of interest to many of us) but you have failed to do any research on this forum before you dropped in. It's like having a quiet civilized party in Bills house then having you slam the door open and shout 'Tada!! Here I am at LAST' and then have you preach at us as if you think we've been waiting for you all along (while we sit in stunned silence and think to ourselves 'What the ****?)

Please if you have any self respect or ability to self reflect, read what people have written and take it on board. And apologise to those you have been rude to. Then we could start again, and perhaps even have the most fascinating discussions on here. But i feel strongly this is not what you want. If you carry on like this then you shall be ignored as no-one can have a conversation with you. It's proved nigh on impossible so far.

[Becky]

Posted by Robert Baird (here)
Dear Nasu

The prior post was not for your response.

Your response suggests I am lucky to be here - why would that be? Would that mean you think you and your group of idiots including Bill who affronts reason in interviews with people talking about 2012 being some horrible thing, or the MMS guy who is a weak homeopath - etc. Are worth trying to educate? I have done this a long time - and there are very few people I feel lucky to be associated with. Those who actually study usually agree. Bill strikes me as a nice guy making money with this venture - Sol - o - moon he ain't. As I said - and look forward to - remove me as you wish.

Oh...too late!