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    Default TV License man in the door trying to come into my house.

    Just had an unwanted visitor at my door, as I work from home, he caught me off guard, I wish I would of answered the door filming it, but he was the last person I expected to see, and I'm sure it was Vice versa for him. Instead of typing it, I made a video of what happened.... her it is



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    Alright Kev, you probably know this site already...

    http://www.tvlicenceresistance.info

    ..but if you don't they are goldmine of information for helping people with the goons sub-contracted to chase up addresses with no license.

    I disconnected my TV from the aerial over a year ago, it tied up in a loop at the wall with a plastic lock-tie. The TV sits over 12' away in the centre of the room connected only to a DVD player.

    I still won't communicate anything to them. The letters they send use every dirty psychological trick in the book trying to 'fear' you into just getting a license, even if you don't need one. I've had phone-calls from them and finally a knock on the door in January. He opened the conversation with Mr and a surname as a question. I just looked at him and asked who he was. He identified himself and I closed the door in his face. Now I get letters addressed to The Occupant telling me what to expect at court. :D
    I don't know if this is fact or not but I heard employees of Capita, the company sub-contracted to chase down revenue for the BBC, get a pro-rata payment based on the quantity of people they 'persuade' to get a licence. Sounds like a recipe for corruption doesn't it.

    Here's a tip for anyone regarding incoming phonecalls from whomever. If they open the conversation asking your name as a question never respond yes, ask them who THEY are and then decide if you wish to proceed.
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    Thanks Ewan I take it you don't pay it either

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    Just popped into that site myself to catch up on any news, saw this article reproduced but with no link so reproduced here as was.

    Quote John Whittingdale says household levy connected to other bills similar to council tax is simplest option and would be an improvement on ‘regressive’ flat-rate fee


    The culture secretary, John Whittingdale, says a household levy to replace the BBC licence fee would be the simplest option, but stressed no decision has been made.

    Culture secretary John Whittingdale has offered support to replacing the BBC licence fee with a household levy collected in a similar way to the council tax, but said no decision had been made ahead of legislation expected next year.

    Whittingdale’s comments to MPs on Wednesday came two days after the BBC itself backed the household levy system, outlined in the government’s green paper on the future of the BBC, as one way of modernising the current system.

    The culture secretary said such a system could help tackle the issue of non-payment, which is currently a criminal officence, as well as introducing a progressive element absent from the flat-rate licence fee.

    In wide-ranging comments, he also indicated that “all things being equal” the licence fee would rise in line with inflation following a controversial funding deal agreed between the government and the BBC, but his comments were attacked by political opponents as spreading further doubt.

    Asked about the possible introduction of a household levy, Whittingdale said that the “simplest” of a “number of different options” was “instead of having to pay separately, you could pay it at the same time as another bill, such as your council tax bill. It would make it easier to collect, it would also I think address concerns about evasion”.

    The licence fee, which is based on ownership of a television despite the fast growth of online viewing figures, is currently collected separately from all other taxes levied by local authorities.

    Whittingdale said if the system was linked to the council tax, which is based on house size for example, it could be levied in a progressive way rather than one-size-fits-all rate of £145.50.

    In a wide-ranging appearance before MPs on the House of Commons culture, media and sport select committee on Wednesday, Whittingdale stressed that all options were still open, with responses to the green paper on the BBC not due until 8 October: “We haven’t reached a decision about any of these things.”

    Yet he has previously been critical of a flat-rate fee he calls “regressive”. In 2013 he said: “I still think, for exactly the same reason as the winter fuel allowance and a free buss pass, it is very difficult to justify why my mother doesn’t have to pay a licence fee. Means testing it would be administratively more complicated but nevertheless in the present climate I can see no real reason why it remains a universal benefit.”

    Whittingdale admitted he did not have enough time to do as thorough a review of the BBC’s scope and future funding as he would have liked before the current royal charter runs out at the end of 2016. He indicated that the current charter may have to be extended before a new one is put in place.

    Chris Bryant MP shadow culture criticised his comments about funding: “ After the backroom deals of July, Whittingdale seems intent on creating even more uncertainty about the level of the licence fee.

    “We need a strong BBC able to meet the challenges of the future so the idea that somehow or other it might have to face even more cuts than the Tories have already pushed through is ludicrous.

    “The secretary of state said if all things are equal, the Beeb should get the inflationary rise, but the trouble is his government seem determined to ensure the BBC aren’t equal in this process after already tying their hands behind their back with a £700m raid on their funds.”

    World Service expansion

    In comments that suggested the BBC had consulted with the government over its plans ahead of the announcement, Whittingdale was effusive about BBC plans to expand the World Service but expressed concerns that proposals to help local newspapers may have the reverse effect.

    He said the World Service was “one of the great assets we have” at a time of increasing propaganda from news outlets in Russia and China and said he “very much welcomed” corporation plans to launch new services for Russian speakers and in North Korea.

    The BBC said on Monday the new services will be dependent on increased government funding, due to be discussed in the autumn, although Whittingdale gave no indication as to whether the extra money would be forthcoming or not.

    The department of culture media and sport said the minister was simply expressing a view when he welcomed the proposals to launch a Russian language service, rather than committing the government to fund it.

    However, Whittingdale was more cautious about BBC proposals to support the local newspaper industry – including a 100-strong network of local reporters and a new data hub and network – which elicited a mixed response from local media companies on Monday.

    “I was alarmed slightly at the suggestion the BBC might directly go out and employ local reporters because I don’t think that would meet the objective of supporting local newspapers, it would increase the pressure on them,” he said.

    Whittingdale refused to rule out the privatisation of Channel 4 but went further than he has done previously by suggesting that the state-owned but commercially funded broadcaster could maintain its remit regardless of ownership.

    “At the moment, there are no plans to sell Channel 4 … but am I going to say to you that it is out of the question? No,” he said.

    Developing comments he had made last month at the Guardian Edinburgh International Television Festival, he said the issue of ownership was separate from the commitment to public service obligations governing Channel 4. “The remit [remains] … it doesn’t matter what [the] ownership structure is.”

    Arts Council facing possible cuts

    Separately, Whittingdale said the Arts Council would have to face a reduction in its funding as part of the government-wide cuts being imposed across all its departments.

    The DCMS, in common with other government departments without ring-fenced funding, has been asked to model two scenarios of 25% and 40% of real-terms savings by 2019-20.

    Whittingdale said the Arts Council was one of the biggest recipients of the department’s funds. “Therefore, inevitably, if we are required to find savings, the Arts Council is going to have to make a contribution to that process,” he said.

    Asked whether the Arts Council had done enough to address concerns about the distribution of its money around the country, and whether it was still regarded as too London-focused, Whittingdale said: “They have done quite a bit” but said they could do more and it was “something the chairman and chief executive were looking at”.
    Had to chuckle at the bolded bit but apart from that, his new idea charges every household whether they have a TV or not. The underlined above is either poorly worded or just plain wrong. You DO NOT need a license for owning a TV, the TV license is for LIVE broadcasts.

    Kev: I stopped paying after I disconnected it.
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    Good read Ewan... Much obliged sir

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    I still can't believe that the UK makes citizens pay for a TV license that should be free air waves for the people. This scam along with your "death tax" is ridiculous.

    Good for you Ken & Ewan in not allowing these scammers to get away with it.

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    Good shout athena, and thank you

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    Aye,

    good shout Kev. Not had a licence for some years now........ I ab-so-lut-ly refuse to give money to that scandalous, government mouthpiece that is the BBC. Up until last year (I think) you could actually be put in prison, in prison, for not paying. That just blew my mind and was the deciding factor....... Well, that, and the fact that at it's core, the BBC was/is a Satanic, paedophile enabling/protecting, perception management organisation.

    If you have a sky box (or similar) you can record everything you want to watch, and watch it on playback perfectly legally without the need for a licence.... or on a catch-up service on tinternet..... although I believe 'they' are trying to close that loophole.

    So **** 'em.


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    Quote Posted by Citizen No2 (here)
    Aye,

    good shout Kev. Not had a licence for some years now........ I ab-so-lut-ly refuse to give money to that scandalous, government mouthpiece that is the BBC. Up until last year (I think) you could actually be put in prison, in prison, for not paying. That just blew my mind and was the deciding factor....... Well, that, and the fact that at it's core, the BBC was/is a Satanic, paedophile enabling/protecting, perception management organisation.

    If you have a sky box (or similar) you can record everything you want to watch, and watch it on playback perfectly legally without the need for a licence.... or on a catch-up service on tinternet..... although I believe 'they' are trying to close that loophole.

    So **** 'em.


    Regards.
    My point exactly pal... F*** 'em
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    I've been anti-TV all my life. They have my number, and would love to 'catch' me out. I've had 2 big battles with them, and they STILL send me those stupid letters every couple of years.

    One thing I've noticed in recent times is that BBC cookies turn up on my computer even when I know I've not accessed anything of theirs, never mind "live".

    I was reading a couple years ago on a music industry forum, that one option they had considered for future funding of the BBC was to make the BBC a kind of official gate-keeper of the internet, in the UK, at least. The idea seemed to be based around a notion that the internet was eventually going to be heavily policed and that the BBC could be made the official police/court/punishment agency.

    When I started noticing BBC cookies, I wondered if they were running alpha test of the possible methods they might use.

    A researcher also mentioned, on that forum, that a certain clique group of BBC managers/ex-managers had created a private company that seemed to have the purpose of developing such a system. It was a while ago, and I can't remember the details now.

    Of course, it's not wise to assume that any or all cookies that are gathering data for such a project will always appear on your device as "BBC". If I think about it sensibly, it's actually more likely that such research and development would happen under a less noticeable domain I.D..
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    It wouldn't surprise me in the least, the whole of BBC is Satanic and demonic, it's as simple as that!

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    This may be of imterest KevBoh!


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    [QUOTE=gnostic9;1051779]This may be of imterest KevBoh!

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    I'm not having this. The BBC is a great national institution which is under threat from this Government sucking up to Murdoch, who hates the BBC and wants to destroy it.I signed a petitions not long ago about preserving the BBC's right to carry on making great documentaries and series, preserve the World Service and run their current range of programmes. Saville was an abberation the handling of which was cack-handed to say the least. Satanic? Absolute rubbish.

    There is no way the BBC is run by the Government in the way that RT is funded by and is a mouthpiece for the Kremlin. We know this though PA members often seem to just accept anything on RT without question because most of its political slant is anti-West which of course is what it's for - propaganda. A recent independent report concludes flight MH17 was downed by a buk missile, as I'd always believed and even identified the russian unit responsible.

    If the BBC were not independent of Govt they wouldn't be trying to close it down. It is in fact true that if you analyse BBC coverage of many events that there is bias towards the Govt line, which is because if there is any criticism of the Govt they howl like a pack of Hyenas about leftwing bias. It's not so but the Govt don't realise it.

    The licence fee is a way of paying for the BBC since they don't carry adverts. Thank God. About half the effing viewing time these days is ads on the commercial channels. Whether that's the best way of paying for the BBC may be a matter for debate and if people don't use those services I agree they shouldn't pay for them. But I can afford the licence fee and am glad to pay it because as I say the BBC is a great national institution and our culture would be impoverished without it.

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    Quote Posted by kemo (here)
    I'm not having this. The BBC is a great national institution which is under threat from this Government sucking up to Murdoch, who hates the BBC and wants to destroy it.I signed a petitions not long ago about preserving the BBC's right to carry on making great documentaries and series, preserve the World Service and run their current range of programmes. Saville was an abberation the handling of which was cack-handed to say the least. Satanic? Absolute rubbish.

    There is no way the BBC is run by the Government in the way that RT is funded by and is a mouthpiece for the Kremlin. We know this though PA members often seem to just accept anything on RT without question because most of its political slant is anti-West which of course is what it's for - propaganda. A recent independent report concludes flight MH17 was downed by a buk missile, as I'd always believed and even identified the russian unit responsible.

    If the BBC were not independent of Govt they wouldn't be trying to close it down. It is in fact true that if you analyse BBC coverage of many events that there is bias towards the Govt line, which is because if there is any criticism of the Govt they howl like a pack of Hyenas about leftwing bias. It's not so but the Govt don't realise it.

    The licence fee is a way of paying for the BBC since they don't carry adverts. Thank God. About half the effing viewing time these days is ads on the commercial channels. Whether that's the best way of paying for the BBC may be a matter for debate and if people don't use those services I agree they shouldn't pay for them. But I can afford the licence fee and am glad to pay it because as I say the BBC is a great national institution and our culture would be impoverished without it.
    thank you for your valuable opinion kemo. though in my humble opinion bbc is the propaganda in itself - the fact that it wont fit into the same reality as other agencies you've mentioned doesnt make it any more true. in fact, the only true out there is what we perceive ourselves using our senses - certainly not the fabricated "truth" presented for us through the tv box.. bbc are the masters of reporting no particular facts but having an open interpretation to most of geopolitical subjects, after which you take away not the knowledge, but the feeling they wish you to carry.

    as regarding the licence fee.. sorry but im not naive enough to believe the official reasons.

    with love.

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    The difference between the propaganda of the east and the propaganda of the west is that the people of the east always knew they were being lied to. Such was the success of the west's propaganda that to this day people refuse to acknowledge all the lies they have been told. The BBC World Service is used to disseminate some of those lies around the globe interspersed with good old fashioned news and reports.

    They do make some good documentaries though, I'll give you that kemo.

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    The best way to get an acurate handle on how much of a propaganda mouthpiece the BBC is, is to stop listening to it for a few months ( at least ) and then go back to it.

    If you're anything like me, you'll notice within 10 minutes ( listening to Radio 4 ) that it actually does something negative to your mind.

    edit to add:

    oh...I just remembered, The old M.I. department of propaganda ( MI 17 ) was closed down a few short years after the BBC was up and running. Go figure...............

    edit 2:

    also, why are nearly all discussions and deals to do with the financing and purpose of the BBC conducted behind closed doors?
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    Quote Posted by kemo (here)

    ......If the BBC were not independent of Govt they wouldn't be trying to close it down.......
    Politics, politics, politics............

    Leaning hard on the BBC is part of how they keep it in line and grovelling............ and willing to do what it's told.
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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    Alright Kev, you probably know this site already...

    http://www.tvlicenceresistance.info

    ..but if you don't they are goldmine of information for helping people with the goons sub-contracted to chase up addresses with no license.

    I disconnected my TV from the aerial over a year ago, it tied up in a loop at the wall with a plastic lock-tie. The TV sits over 12' away in the centre of the room connected only to a DVD player.

    I still won't communicate anything to them. The letters they send use every dirty psychological trick in the book trying to 'fear' you into just getting a license, even if you don't need one. I've had phone-calls from them and finally a knock on the door in January. He opened the conversation with Mr and a surname as a question. I just looked at him and asked who he was. He identified himself and I closed the door in his face. Now I get letters addressed to The Occupant telling me what to expect at court. :D
    I don't know if this is fact or not but I heard employees of Capita, the company sub-contracted to chase down revenue for the BBC, get a pro-rata payment based on the quantity of people they 'persuade' to get a licence. Sounds like a recipe for corruption doesn't it.

    Here's a tip for anyone regarding incoming phonecalls from whomever. If they open the conversation asking your name as a question never respond yes, ask them who THEY are and then decide if you wish to proceed.
    I got into a discussion like that with a bill collector once.

    I did not hang up the phone.

    I verbally forced them to hang up, as they were calling me, they were in my house, in my electronic foyer.

    I said for them to leave. They must hang up and go away, I needed to go nowhere.

    This can cause some confusion in people but it is indeed the correct position. Hanging up on them....is not the correct answer. Getting them to hang up ---IS.

    I know folks have not really ever seen it that way, but.. well.....
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