Seeds of Death: Unveiling The Lies of GMO's - Full Movie

[blufire]

From a Google search for "Vandana Shiva of India": Environmental activist Vandana Shiva has been working to build an organic agriculture movement across India for the past 22 years. (www.worldwatch.org/node/6189)

Were you really curious as to what Vandana Shiva of India was doing, or were you just raising, again, your criticism of opposing without solutions?

Regarding Vanda Shiva of India, I sincerely applaud his/her efforts to spread knowledge on growing organically. I truly do . . . I hope many take heed and make the choice to be responsible for their own food.

But again my main point is this activist is only addressing the food production for a few. I am assuming because I have not read the material about this movement, but I don’t have to because . . . .again . . .. it is literally impossible to grow food organically or even naturally few millions of people. Please refer to post #17

So yes I am criticizing this movement of Vandana as a solution (for the billions of humans) because it does not address the feeding of the many . . . only a few. As a solution for the few it is dead on and commendable.

Ah - so you do NOT think Monsanto is necessary? You do oppose Monsanto, and you're just discussing how best to proceed?

... could'a fooled me .

No . . . . I absolutely do believe Monsanto is necessary. With our current technology (engineered by Monsanto’s and subsidiaries) billions of people globally are being fed . . . including the majority of people on this forum.

And yes I do oppose Monsanto as an overall holistically healthy food, which is why I grow most of my own. It is far from it but, they are working through the problems and have come a far way since the 80’s

I would love to discuss how to proceed on a global basis and not only for small groups of people who are either able to buy organically raised food or grow it.

As far as I know, Monsanto made false claims about their GMO seeds having any actual benefits "to feed the world's poor." If you have seen (non-Monsanto funded) research that GMO seeds actually will feed the world, I'd love to read them

Dennis, currently Monsanto technology is the only technology that is absolutely feeding the world’s poor and even the wealthy (as a matter of fact)
It is not WILL feed the world . . . .they are doing it NOW. Where do you think all the billions of tons of grains (corn, wheat, soy beans, rice) are going?

Aquaponics may be the only way the food industry can be localized. I'm not sure about how it could be applied to grains - though rice already grows in water...maybe there is potential here? The system has a range from house to backyard to farm size.

Aquaponics is a great way to grow food . . . on a small scale. But to put things into perspective . . .. Aquaponics on a larger scale is dependent on many types of ‘chemicals or additives’ in order for the plants to grow properly and one is also required to use ‘specially created’ seed and plant stock. So guess whose technology aquaponics can be traced back to?

To be able to move forward in a balanced, pragmatic and productive way we first have to build a foundation from understanding and truth for ALL of humanity.

Not just ourselves or small groups. Organic and naturally farming is capable of feeding a few . . . . gmo farming is needed to feed the many.


I agree that we should be our brothers keeper . . . .but does that mean only a few brothers we can fit into our personal views and opinions or does our personal views, opinions and agendas take all the brothers into consideration?

Tough question isn’t it? So yes Paul I would love to discuss how to proceed for ALL my brothers and sisters globally.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by blufire (here)

From a Google search for "Vandana Shiva of India": Environmental activist Vandana Shiva has been working to build an organic agriculture movement across India for the past 22 years. (www.worldwatch.org/node/6189)

Were you really curious as to what Vandana Shiva of India was doing, or were you just raising, again, your criticism of opposing without solutions?

Regarding Vanda Shiva of India, I sincerely applaud his/her efforts to spread knowledge on growing organically. I truly do . . . I hope many take heed and make the choice to be responsible for their own food.

Evidentally you have zero interest in researching what you're posting ... the most trivial effort would have revealed the gender of Vandana Shiva of India.

Please read, for example, this article: Dr. Vandana Shiva (ecowatch.com).

Currently (from here):

Vandana Shiva is working on a 3-year project with the Government of Bhutan, at the invitation of the Prime Minister Jigme Thinley, advising the government on how to achieve their objective of becoming an organic sovereign country (the first fully 100% organic country).

Rather your argument appears to reduce to "Monsanto has a near monopoly on the world's food, therefore whatever Monsanto says is an essential element of that food is essential to feeding most of the billions of people on this planet. Deal with it, or starve."

It is clear beyond any doubt that Monsanto has led a massive effort of fraud, lies, deceit, and oppression for its GMO (such as Round-Up Ready, BT, and terminator genes) technology. Listen to the following video, originally posted by heyokah: Genetically Modified and Engineered food (Post #10):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oPvkZv5MfRw

Posted by blufire (here)
But again my main point is this activist is only addressing the food production for a few. I am assuming because I have not read the material about this movement, but I don’t have to because . . . .again . . .. it is literally impossible to grow food organically or even naturally few millions of people. Please refer to post #17

Please refer to my response to your post #17, in Post #21.

Your "literally impossible" is a Monsanto lie. Dr. Vandana Shiva has worked with millions of Indian farmers and is now working with the entire nation of Bhutan, to drive out GMO fraud and support healthy, diversified, food production.

Posted by blufire (here)
So yes I am criticizing this movement of Vandana as a solution (for the billions of humans) because it does not address the feeding of the many . . . only a few. As a solution for the few it is dead on and commendable.

You are, by your own admission, criticizing in ignorance.

What can and should be removed, immediately, are the long chain of lies and the deep corruption of government regulation, main stream media, and research. These lies must stop NOW.

I oppose your continuing support of these lies here.

[observer]

I find it unconscionable that any member, here at Avalon, would support the agenda of Monsanto.

Research Resources:

http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/04/...from-the-dead/

http://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146144...o-agent-orange

http://www.nationofchange.org/scient...ers-1332083780

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
I oppose your continuing support of these lies here.

blufire chose to respond by starting a new thread: Personal, controversial view of Monsanto, Globalists and Technology.

[Sierra]

Posted by blufire (here)
. . . .again . . .. it is literally impossible to grow food organically or even naturally few millions of people.

Nonsense. Not true. We've done it for millennia. Monsanto has only been around since my parent's generation, and they'd cheer (from the board chairman to the lowliest stock holder) to hear people think we need them (like a hole in the head).

Scarcity is a manufactured commodity, used to control and kill, and GMOs weaken and kill (Somewhere on Avalon, someone posted a comparison of mice fed real food, and mice fed GMO food. Stunted, runted, and not in good shape if eating GMO foods. GMO causes Celiac disease in humans, eats away at the gut.

We are perfectly capable of feeding the world organically, if we put our money or *had* our money to put where needed.

And Monsanto has been caught out in so many lies, so many sleazy tactics at this point, that they get special treatment from the government, a bill of their very own, that GMO does not have to be labeled as GMO, so it can be hidden from all consumers. Now how is that honest, fair or leads one to think that GMO is good for us? The US government doing something good for us? Non-members of the military-industrial complex? (laughing because if I don't, I'll cry.)

Sierra's .02

[Chester]

I was happy to see some sourcing show up in this thread and I am doing my own investigation as part of my own need to be responsible.

Its funny how in the case of organic/non-gmo... I chose to go organic/non-gmo all based on trusting those who highly recommended it. I personally noticed an uptick in my overall life experience.

Now I am glad I am also becoming informed.