Flat Earth Idea - Why so popular?

[Hervé]

As far as the question goes, its answer fall under the rubric of "Social Engineering," AKA "Psy-op."

Posted by Hervé (here)
The following is an article by Jon Rappoport on how psy-ops work and how they are orchestrated in social engineering schemes and which I keep referencing here and there.

So here it is in its own thread:


The disaster of manufactured consent in the Matrix
by Jon Rappoport March 15, 2013
www.nomorefakenews.com

[...]

In the Matrix, there is pressure to have people connect their realities to each other. Why? Because groups can thus be created. Groups are easier to compromise than individuals.

We get the concept of hooked ideas. A hooked idea is one which will entice people to merge their realities into One. The hooked idea can be expressed as a slogan, a so-called meme, a principle. It is introduced by people who work psyops.

A psyop is a campaign to herd people into a place where their individual realities overlap.

For the propagandist, there is the eternal search for the good, better, and best hooking idea, the one that will collect the greatest possible number of people under one roof.

This has nothing to do with true progress or honest intent. It has everything to do with control.

[...]

This same retired propaganda operative, who goes by the pseudonym of Ellis Medavoy (I interview him 28 times in one section of my collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED), explained this “psyop calculation”:

“The target of a terrific psyop is yearning and longing. That’s what I looked for when I was working: what people long and yearn for. Something unformed and undefined but very powerful. That’s what I wanted to tap into.

“If I could tap into that, people would buy in and surrender a significant part of whatever their personal world looks like. Because they want to believe they’re coming together with like-minded others. They’ll also believe the path laid out for them is correct and proper and wonderful. This is really a fake religion we’re talking about.

“A fake religion. It’s really for children, and most people turn out to be children. Give them a group of high-minded ideas, and they’ll grab on and think everything they’ve done up to that moment is a prelude to THIS.

“We [operatives] are playing a symphony, you see, and once they listen to the prelude, they’re hooked. They stay. They long for the climax, which doesn’t exist; not the way they imagine it. To them it’s all about ‘arrival in the promised land,’ as if that’s some kind of gift that’s wrapped up under the tree, waiting to be opened.

“We give them a fake god, a dead-end god. If they were once burning with authentic faith, we derail that and take them to another place…”

[...]

This has less and less to do with personal reality.

Manufactured consent in the Matrix is a bit of a misnomer. Manufactured consent IS the Matrix, at the most profound level.

[...]

A great deal of history of the human race, littered as it is with suffering and pain and war and hunger, was produced by competing psyops.

Each side was utterly convinced that its ideals were superior. What neither side realized was that everybody, on all sides, was accepting a psyop substitute of their own personal reality. That was the big switch.

[...]

You could accurately write, on many gravestones: “I died for a psyop.”

[...]

Freedom? Democracy? The will of the people? A better future for all? Equality? Justice? These are merely concepts in search of ways to run psyops.

Jon Rappoport

[emphases mine]

The "yearning": TRUTH!

The "hook": You have been lied to and NASA lies all the time...

The logical fallacy: Therefore NASA's round earth cannot be true...

The new religion: Earth is flat! ... and that's the whole truth!

Why? To check if it works!

[TargeT]

Posted by dim (here)

maybe i'm indeed missing something here, is just sounds very strange
like say a fly hovering in a room will eventually hit the wall
or an astronaut walking out of the orbiting craft will at some point drift away,
i may have to look it up more thoroughly.
(sorry for the off topic)

The earth isn't stationary, it's spinning on its axis, orbiting the sun, and following the sun as it travels through space (lots of forces here), constantly moving around 66,500 MPH depending on if it's high noon or not, if it's after noon you are decelerating at 1,000 mph from 66,500mph until you hit "midnight" (or when ever the sun is on the opposite side of hte planet) then you accelerating at 1,000 mph to 66,500 mph again at "noon" (due to the earths spin). Now depending on the time of the year we are moving at different speeds as well, collectively (relative to the milky way) we are moving at around 1.2 million mph.

so anyway, all of that is to say that the earth is hauling ass, and if you leave contact with it it you will be left behind depending on how long you are disconnected from the earth, and on how far you travel... this is why during long range shooting a bullet has a measurable Coriolis effect; because it travels so far it exacerbates the above situation (1000mph spin of the earth).

Inertia makes this very hard to observe (and our relatively tiny size compared to the planet) that's why you only see 2-3 inches of difference at 1000m when long range shooting.

there's so much going on that it's a bit hard to wrap your head around,, angular momentum, projectile velocity, inertia, acceleration, air drag, gravitational acceleration etc... but once you get a handle on a few of those topics it makes a lot of sense (on a planet that's a globe).

Posted by Hervé (here)
Why? To check if it works!

This is my theory as well.

[regnak]

This topic never dies

I believe NASA is lying but the earth is not flat

[araucaria]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Do take the time and trouble to think for yourself.

This is something I heartily agree with. It is the only way to build up a coherent picture with elements clicking into place as opposed to adding to the pile of loose ends. One’s individual input is part of the process of understanding. For how this works, see this post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1052987

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Like "Well, if you're saying this, then the opposite must be true." Things just don't work that way.

This is likely derived from the Satanic reversal thing. Satanists, as we know, do everything back to front. Having taken the time and trouble to think about this, I believe it has something to do with the Sun being on an elliptical orbit. To understand that elliptical thought, see this post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1053507

My conclusion is that on the subject of Planet X, for once at least, the exact opposite of the accepted story must be true. But of course, for once at least, most people are forgetting to apply the reversal rule. It is not axiomatic, yet it is sometimes applicable; to find out when it does apply is not a matter of reflex but of reflection.

[Bill Ryan]

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Well, this interesting question has inspired me to put on the Devil's boots (they hurt! ) and imagine what I'd be doing if I was was the CIA Director of Special Counter Alternative Media Operations.

* That's a made-up title: but I'd bet $10,000 that something like that exists. My suggestion spells SCAMO.

So this would be my program... all in parallel, not in any sequence:

• Install high-ability agents in influential roles. Just a handful, maybe a dozen or so, would be enough. Radio shows, prominent blogs, YouTube channels, etc.

• Install a LOT of shills and trolls to patrol forums, comments on blogs, YouTube, and so on. 1,000 would be more than plenty. The annual budget for that would only be about $50m. That's peanuts.

• Inject a number of memes (alluring ideas/concepts) into the community that would
  — confuse people
  — create conflict.

• That can easily be done through a combination of the high-profile assets, the shill supporters (remember, shills and trolls can act POSITIVELY, too, to support certain agendas), and a few well-made YouTube videos that are pushed to prominence.

• There would be another division, used more sparingly, to take hard action against anyone who was hard to control. They would be
  — publicly embarrassed (and/or maybe blackmailed)
  — financially compromised or weakened
  — set up to be 'illegal' or to have broken the law in some way
  — ridiculed and/or smeared
  — or, in some cases, made chronically ill or eliminated.

• Finally, there would be a third division, equally specialized, to use targeted mind control technology against susceptible targets. Partial influencing would be fine: a mind controlled individual isn't necessarily a zombie or an automaton. They're just 'leaned on' in certain ways — using emotion or injected illogic — so that their behavior or attitude changes in just the optimum strategic ways.

• All the above would be well-monitored with low-key but sharp and accurate personal surveillance of every kind, designed to provide real-time feedback to enable advanced strategic software to make decisions about how best to deploy all the resources available. (One has to think of many chess pieces on a chessboard, all working together to win the game.)

In the context of all that ^^ (!) — maybe the question posted in the thread can find an obvious answer.

[aviators]

Posted by Elandiel BernElve (here)
Thanks for your answer, mysterious encounter indeed.

And yes I've noticed information is hard to find here.

My question is where this phenomenon comes from and why it has gained such momentum without actually discussing its validity.

Hopefully there will be room to discuss that specific part of the subject.

Like Trump, you can hate him, you can love him. But his movement and impact on itself are enough food for debate and can also be discussed without engaging in an anti or pro contest.

These men have had the biggest impact on the movements momentum.
I already mentioned Matt Boylan. Eric Dubay and Mark Sargent are two
other key players. They are intelligent and articulate
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Is this a psyop ? I'm not sure yet? perhaps?
However they raise some good questions and make it interesting.

I'm not posting random videos here to muddy the waters.
This is not to be taken as nefarious or irrelevant .
These videos have been picked because they bring a better
understanding to the main point of this topic and display character.
Hopfullly this post will shine some light on the OP main question.
Below are good examples of Eric and Marks message.

Sorry if these dont interest you or are disturbing in any way.

Mark Sargent

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=T8-YdgU-CF4

Eric Dubay

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R77j9rUuky4

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by aviators (here)

These men have had the biggest impact on the movements momentium.
I already mentioned Matt Boyland. Eric Dubay and Mark Sargent are two
other key players. They are intelligent and articulate.

Exactly the kind of people the Director of SCAMO would utilize!

Smart enough to sound plausible to those who aren't able to evaluate the information for themselves.

Please, stick to the topic. This is NOT a thread to promote Flat-Earth-ism. It asks the question why people (like you — and that is not intended to be a targeted poke, just an accurate statement) are falling for this.

And saying "it makes sense" is not an answer.

[TargeT]

It took me a good 4+ hours to review the FE stuff then go checking for counters to it & come to my decision.

I have the luxury of a job that allows me time to research while I work. (well... "allows" might be a strong word...)

How many other people stuck in the rat race can do the same? I come home after 8-10 hours away and don't want to do anything but relax and "decompress".... I don't have the energy even to pursue my hobbies as fully as I'd like.

I imagine my life is not so much different from that of many others, and probably even easier than many... and this isn't just America, the "40 hour work week" has been a standard since the industrial revolution.

Mental energy is a finite resource & it's pretty tapped out in the average debt-slave; and if you use what little mental energy you have left on some BS like FE you will most likely not be venturing into some serious research again soon... the other option is just to swallow it as delivered and do no personal fact checking, so either way it's mostly a "win win" for TPTB. (IMO)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Exactly the kind of people the Director of SCAMO would utilize!

Smart enough to sound plausible to those who aren't WILLING to evaluate the information for themselves.

FIXED!

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by jonsnow (here)
This topic never dies

If patience is a virtue, our Avalon founder is virtuoso ~

[uzn]

Well, if your out in the ocean and a sailship is approaching something strange is happening. At the horizon first you see the flag coming over the horizon, a little later while it is getting closer you can see the sails but not the bottom of the ship. First when it gets even closer you can see all of the ship. So flatearthers, go figure this one out
Same for mountains in the distance, the further away they are the smaller they get, in comparing the hight to the horizon. Last not least if you watch clouds from a high vantagepoint they always have a dome-feel to them, and clouds that are further away sink down and disappear beneth the horizon.

anyway i thing all that flatearth stuff is a misunderstanding. Out Solarsystem is on a flat (slightly tilted) surface. Meaning all planets move on a flat disc. The old ones knew this.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by uzn (here)
Well, if your out in the ocean and a sailship is approaching something strange is happening. At the horizon first you see the flag coming over the horizon, a little later while it is getting closer you can see the sails but not the bottom of the ship. First when it gets even closer you can see all of the ship. So flatearthers, go figure this one out
Same for mountains in the distance, the further away they are the smaller they get, in comparing the hight to the horizon. Last not least if you watch clouds from a high vantagepoint they always have a dome-feel to them, and clouds that are further away sink down and disappear beneth the horizon.

anyway i thing all that flatearth stuff is a misunderstanding. Out Solarsystem is on a flat (slightly tilted) surface. Meaning all planets move on a flat disc. The old ones knew this.

Don't incite them ... I have seen countless videos where a FEer claims proof because he can see with a high power zoom lens something far away, of course assuming though that the landscape is perfectly flat without any hills. The problem is they don't study the details well enough nor understand how to calculate the difference in observations between what a flat vs sphere earth will give, let alone considerations like light refraction through the atmosphere causing a certain effect (I don't want to give away all the sphere Earth secrets )

Basically don't bother presenting proof / evidence - it'll get this thread quickly closed after a bunch of nonsense that will insue; if one does not have the ability to evaluate your evidence objectively, based on existing known laws, it gets absolutely nowhere ... trust me If I had a dollar for the amount of times I have explained perspective, scale and sunbeams ... it doesn't work

[dim]

Posted by TargeT (here)
and if you leave contact with it it you will be left behind depending on how long you are disconnected from the earth, and on how far you travel...

i didn't know that, never came across this little huge detail
i thought that given no other forces an object would keep earth's velocity forever.
Thanks TargeT

[Limor Wolf]

The notion that the our Earth is flat may not be true, but the understanding that our Earth and milky way galaxy is constructed of a perfect ice cream like scoops as if were created by the best of artists... now that is a valuable food for thought (not ice cream : ), make you think about the reality we live in.. About David Icke's hypothesis of a hologram, and perheps someone over there are quite enjoying themselves (yet again!) watching the two so called 'camps' insisting with one another. Problem, reaction, solution. Both sides are invested in, but truth is possibly pretty much somewhere else.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)
The notion that the our Earth is flat may not be true, but the understanding that our Earth and milky way galaxy is constructed of a perfect ice cream like scoops as if were created by the best of artists... now that is a valuable food for thought (not ice cream : ), make you think about the reality we live in.. About David Icke's hypothesis of a hologram, and perheps someone over there are quite enjoying themselves (yet again!) watching the two so called 'camps' insisting with one another. Problem, reaction, solution. Both sides are invested in, but truth is possibly pretty much somewhere else.

Reality is a hologram of sorts, the Universe is extremely holographic. This has nothing to do with a flat earth. An alternative way of perceiving things from a non-physical standpoint perhaps, if the philosophy behind that ever gets ironed out. Does anyone here astral travel? How does it look out there guys?

[Frenchy]

Posted by Elandiel BernElve (here)
Heyall,

It's been some years since I've been active on this forum.
Project Avalon took me so far in space it took me some years to ground back again, get my life moving and gather enough courage to go into deep space yet again

I miss the intellect and spirituality of this online community so much as well as energizing my personal et connection that I can only come back here like a lost son.

On topic:
Now somehow my youtube account is spamming me with "maybe you find this interesting" about Flat Earth theories.
Lately I was at a party and someone started talking to me about it.

What is up with this whole thing? Is there an operation running globally to get people to believe the Earth is flat?

So the question is not whether it's flat because you know... hah. It ain't.

But the question is WHY ? What is the purpose of this disinfo?


Thanks in advance and bless you

Greetings dear disinfo man, I have every confidence in stating that, just as you have, in proving to us, that we're on a globe !

CLEARLY, all 'extra - terrestial' flights show early 'CGI', or crude graphics,depicting a 'round' globe.

Go and look for others, you'll not find here, people inclined to accept unsubstantial claims.... The time is for awakening, and the meek, know where to find substenance ! But let me express this simply, that your followers might better understand, if when young, you're shown a photo (Drawing ) of (say) a Dodo, how can you be sure such an animal existed, and so, consider if we were told from ages past , that we 'evolved' from a slime mold, would we automatically accept this ? ( Try the Icke forum, pal ! ) and watch what you drink at those parties ! ! !

[bettye198]

I thought I was done with the FE discussion from all over the place even people I know who approach me but guess not. I will not dismiss the notion that the Earth may not be entirely round, maybe oblong but that doesn't matter to me. What matters is that everything we see with these two eyes is clouded by the illusion of the Matrix. I remember one visionary saying if you were not embroiled in the trance of this 3D world, you would see things very differently and that the planets actually line up. Huh? Well, my pineal gland is in great need for a tune up.

I do sense perception is everything and that acquires our belief system. So, for all we know, planets are square. Once outside this reality, we get a truer perception. Remember Truman movie? He was so sure of his 3 D world until he saw the wall.

[Frenchy]

Good article Bill, Haven't checked the Sterling yet, but $50K sounds right, sign me up !

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by Elandiel BernElve (here)
Heyall,

It's been some years since I've been active on this forum.
Project Avalon took me so far in space it took me some years to ground back again, get my life moving and gather enough courage to go into deep space yet again

I miss the intellect and spirituality of this online community so much as well as energizing my personal et connection that I can only come back here like a lost son.

On topic:
Now somehow my youtube account is spamming me with "maybe you find this interesting" about Flat Earth theories.
Lately I was at a party and someone started talking to me about it.

What is up with this whole thing? Is there an operation running globally to get people to believe the Earth is flat?

So the question is not whether it's flat because you know... hah. It ain't.

But the question is WHY ? What is the purpose of this disinfo?


Thanks in advance and bless you

Personally, I think this entire push to resurrect the flat earth paradigm is to help discredit the 'alternative media and information' flowering that has arisen as a result of 'The Internet' - the exchange of genuine information and a definite challenge to the sleepy hypnosis of the mainstream 'power bloc' - call them what you will, the shadowy money lenders, the bankrolls of war, the Bilderberg underbelly, the hidden ones, the wielders of the whip... -this narrative has been seriously challenged in recent times-David Icke, Alex Jones, Project Camelot, numerous researchers and social theorists there are many.

These have started to gain traction among the 'the mass' which seldom responds, those who are educated but 'straight' the silent majority who sleep on have been prodded, yes seriously prodded and their snores interrupted. This 'Flat Earth Psyop' has been carefully designed to discredit the alternative narrative, heading off the 'silent majority' who stirred in their sleep..'Wha..What is this?' OHHHH, it's just those internet lunies with their rubbish, they are talking about the Flat Earth fer Chrisssake!...Back to Sleep little monster...let me tickle under you chin...Yes..that's it......ZZZzzzzzzz.

[Wind]

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Danny Wilten - Why We Must Deal With The Flat Earth Distraction

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IPMjZpvdVSU

YouTube text:
Yes, it is a distraction, but we must deal with it to maintain truth health. Just like a virus, if you do not deal with it, it will eventually get ya. The mainstream media is already using the crazy flat earther meme to describe anyone who has an alternative view of mainstream science. You might also notice this is a PSYOP because if the title of your video contains the key words FLAT EARTH, they will flock to your video.

[Mike Gorman]

Yep...we can ascend to the truth without being totally absurd though.