All Things Vegan!

[Enola]

[Akasha]

A high class Swiss restaurant is expanding its range of dishes:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HuC0uZ28hTI

https://www.latablesuisse.com/

[TargeT]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ryET4YCiwgg

[Akasha]

….. the more we got involved, I said oh my gosh, casein, if we use the criteria which is used for determining what's a carcinogen, casein is the most relevant chemical carcinogen ever identified. Make no mistake about it!.....

T. Colin Campbell

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xEWAf6sOGv0

[Akasha]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ryET4YCiwgg

Oooh, you troll, you!

Btw, how's that Cowspiracy rebuttal coming along?

[TargeT]

Posted by Akasha (here)
Oooh, you troll, you!

Btw, how's that Cowspiracy rebuttal coming along?

You gotta watch his one on becoming gluten intolerant... his has a few hilarious videos.

I still haven't even finished my solar install so I'm not watching videos at home yet.. if it was on youtube I could catch it at work... I'd say my time here at my desk is the calmest part of my week... haha

[Akasha]

Posted by TargeT (here)
.....You gotta watch his one on becoming gluten intolerant... his has a few hilarious videos....

I was subbed to his channel for a bit and some of his vid's are gold for sure. I'll check out the gluten one.

Good luck with the solar install.

Edit:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Oht9AEq1798

[TargeT]

Posted by Akasha (here)

Good luck with the solar install.

I've got a good 3 hours of raw video from the install so far, should be able to get a good video up showing the basics (it's not that difficult, paying for a solar install is a pretty big waste if you have any inclination to DIY) I'll post them on PA some wheres when I'm finished

Posted by Akasha (here)
Ironically, being that authentic in taste would probably turn my stomach given that it's been such a long time since I ate meat.

I wonder if the length of time would have much to do with it or if it would taste terrible because you have a strong psychosomatic response built up. .

To me it seems like the psychosomatic response would be the key factor, I've done a pretty good job of training myself via mantra's & habitual behaviors to avoid sugar, and even more recently to reduce calorie intake. I started with sugar, just associating the word with poison; eventually I just did not want to eat sweat things & have tried to hang onto that since.

[Akasha]

Posted by TargeT (here)
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Posted by Akasha (here)
Ironically, being that authentic in taste would probably turn my stomach given that it's been such a long time since I ate meat.

I wonder if the length of time would have much to do with it or if it would taste terrible because you have a strong psychosomatic response built up. .

To me it seems like the psychosomatic response would be the key factor, I've done a pretty good job of training myself via mantra's & habitual behaviors to avoid sugar, and even more recently to reduce calorie intake. I started with sugar, just associating the word with poison; eventually I just did not want to eat sweat things & have tried to hang onto that since.

I think it would taste terrible due to the realisation of the terror intrinsic to such flavours. It's not as if I've consciously programmed myself to dislike it like you've done with sugar etc. Rather I just became aware of the cruelty. You can't really put that back in the box.
Eating sentient beings, once you've deprogrammed yourself from the typical parental dietary guidance is pretty f****n alien to be honest. On the other hand, eating fruit, vegetables, nuts and legumes just seems to come naturally.

Thinking out loud - I wonder if there is a link between the high number of vegetarians in India and the fact that over the millennia they have collectively become all too familiar with the smell of human flesh roasting on the funeral pyre unlike us more "civilized" types with our crematoriums.

[TargeT]

Posted by Akasha (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
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Posted by Akasha (here)
Ironically, being that authentic in taste would probably turn my stomach given that it's been such a long time since I ate meat.

I wonder if the length of time would have much to do with it or if it would taste terrible because you have a strong psychosomatic response built up. .

To me it seems like the psychosomatic response would be the key factor, I've done a pretty good job of training myself via mantra's & habitual behaviors to avoid sugar, and even more recently to reduce calorie intake. I started with sugar, just associating the word with poison; eventually I just did not want to eat sweat things & have tried to hang onto that since.

I think it would taste terrible due to the realisation of the terror intrinsic to such flavours.

I don't think lab grown meat has any intrinsic terror, though I haven't seen the full proccess... there could be some very scary test tubes... some of the style choices of scientists are pretty terrifying :shrug:

Posted by Akasha (here)
It's not as if I've consciously programmed myself to dislike it like you've done with sugar etc. Rather I just became aware of the cruelty. You can't really put that back in the box.

Oh I don't know, I'd say I've done the exact same thing, refined sugar is a poison (though realistically, anything at the proper dose is toxic). I guess I just became aware of the cruelty sugar is doing to humanity (decades of diabetes, heart issues, obesity and all the others is a pretty good challenge for slaughter house cruelty, even feed lots + slaughter houses are shorter term).

Posted by Akasha (here)
Eating sentient beings, once you've deprogrammed yourself from the typical parental dietary guidance is pretty f****n alien to be honest. On the other hand, eating fruit, vegetables, nuts and legumes just seems to come naturally.

I thought we were talking about lab meat? You draw your line at sentient, but lab meat probably isn't.

Posted by Akasha (here)
Thinking out loud - I wonder if there is a link between the high number of vegetarians in India and the fact that over the millennia they have collectively become all too familiar with the smell of human flesh roasting on the funeral pyre unlike us more "civilized" types with our crematoriums.

Ever smelt a burnt human? I have, it's a disturbingly delicious smell to an omnivore, like roast pork... that never made me want to eat meat though (only been around burn victims that were 3rd+ degree twice, so maybe the more you're exposed it changes?)

[Akasha]

I should have inserted the word "historically" into the sentence about the terror in meat.
Obviously lab meat represents a fantastic leap away from terror. My bad for not being clearer.

Regarding roast human, you illustrate my point with your observation of its similarity to pork. I'm just suggesting that after a decade or so without meat it may not have such a "disturbingly delicious" aroma as it does for you now.

I went past the kolbász (Hungarian pork sausage) stall at the market today and it turned my stomach. Perhaps when you've been meat-free for a decade or so, it'll turn yours too.

[Akasha]

Catching up on the Jonestown - Is / isn't He? thread and came cross this nugget:

Posted by TargeT (here)
.....Be selfish, but do so in a way that is detrimental to nothing.

That is divine, IMO & the highest calling I've found so far.....

Would veganism not be aligned with that calling?

Why save horses (which I greatly admire by the way), play with dogs (which I'm also partial to) but eat cows, pigs, chickens etc.... or is there some micro-print after "nothing" which says "except cows, pigs, chickens etc...."?

[Akasha]

…..so…..pubmed.org, National Library of Medicine, it's the biggest medical library in the world, so they have the largest database of medical science in the world….you go there and you do this - you put in "chicken" space "obesity" and hit enter and you tell me what you find…..

Dr. Michael Greger of nutritionfacts.org shares his comments on some of the "nutritional advice" given by some well known Youtubers (this is pretty funny - at least it would be if it these 'tubers didn't have such large numbers of subscribers):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uqzXLIlwgTI

[Akasha]

Vegan MMA fighter, Nate Diaz just took out Conor McGregor in the second round.

.....The MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada played host to one of the craziest ever nights of UFC action when both Conor McGregor and Holly Holm were defeated in an incredible night of upset victories at UFC 196.....full article here

One more nail in the "vegans are weak" coffin.

[Agape]

Posted by Akasha (here)
I should have inserted the word "historically" into the sentence about the terror in meat.
Obviously lab meat represents a fantastic leap away from terror. My bad for not being clearer.

Regarding roast human, you illustrate my point with your observation of its similarity to pork. I'm just suggesting that after a decade or so without meat it may not have such a "disturbingly delicious" aroma as it does for you now.

I went past the kolbász (Hungarian pork sausage) stall at the market today and it turned my stomach. Perhaps when you've been meat-free for a decade or so, it'll turn yours too.

So depressive . They feed on each other . They're meat who eat meat . I've read that somewhere recently ..


WHY call artificial meat a meat . It's a soya or crickets or worse .. do i care how it tastes . I'd better go on hunger strike

[TargeT]

Posted by Akasha (here)
Catching up on the Jonestown - Is / isn't He? thread and came cross this nugget:

Posted by TargeT (here)
.....Be selfish, but do so in a way that is detrimental to nothing.

That is divine, IMO & the highest calling I've found so far.....

Would veganism not be aligned with that calling?

Why save horses (which I greatly admire by the way), play with dogs (which I'm also partial to) but eat cows, pigs, chickens etc...

The Ying must be balanced by the Yang

I accept my dark side, I understand that the majority of all human desires and goals are entropic in nature, but nature shows us the necessity of duality.

For me to exist, somethings will be impacted; there is no way around it.

Posted by Akasha (here)
or is there some micro-print after "nothing" which says "except cows, pigs, chickens etc...."?

Well it certainly doesn't stop at plants or planets either

Balance is key of course, don't let the dark get out of hand, but it has a place & is necessary; with out entropy the house we live in wouldn't exist (that is an entropic expression on the environment, of course the environment always wins in the end)

[Akasha]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Akasha (here)
Catching up on the Jonestown - Is / isn't He? thread and came cross this nugget:

Posted by TargeT (here)
.....Be selfish, but do so in a way that is detrimental to nothing.

That is divine, IMO & the highest calling I've found so far.....

Would veganism not be aligned with that calling?

Why save horses (which I greatly admire by the way), play with dogs (which I'm also partial to) but eat cows, pigs, chickens etc...

The Ying must be balanced by the Yang

I accept my dark side, I understand that the majority of all human desires and goals are entropic in nature, but nature shows us the necessity of duality.

For me to exist, somethings will be impacted; there is no way around it.

Posted by Akasha (here)
or is there some micro-print after "nothing" which says "except cows, pigs, chickens etc...."?

Well it certainly doesn't stop at plants or planets either

Balance is key of course, don't let the dark get out of hand, but it has a place & is necessary; with out entropy the house we live in wouldn't exist (that is an entropic expression on the environment, of course the environment always wins in the end)

I guess it all depends on where you draw the line between yin and yang as you put it. For me that line is sentience. The destruction I'm inevitably responsible for whilst here on this planet will at least then be limited in that regard.

(You didn't just play the plants tho' card again did you? )

[TargeT]

Posted by Akasha (here)

I guess it all depends on where you draw the line between yin and yang as you put it. For me that line is sentience. The destruction I'm inevitably responsible for whilst here on this planet will at least then be limited in that regard.

(You didn't just play the plants tho' card again did you? )

your choice on which multi-celled organisms are more important and mine differ.

Plants are about the most peaceful thing there is, they generally don't even eat other plants & vegetarianism chooses to eat them solely based on some emotion (mostly compassion, or guilt it seems). To me this is logically backwards, a thing that eats other things to live, choosing the least traumatically impactful life out there & only eating it because... compassion?

Nope, sounds like more human hypocrisy to me, at first glance; then the pious attitudes and elitist behaviors held by some sealed the deal..... veganism is just like any other human run "ism" hypocritical and manipulative with little logic present. There's some good backwards rationalization going on in the vegan circles, some of it is interesting; but the core belief for most followers is based on the above contradictory eating philosophy.


So yeah, for me (in regards to vegan-ism) "plants" are a highly curious central subject to what I see as the main flaw to the idealism.

[Akasha]

Posted by Ellisa (here)
.....PS Sheep are not only eaten Akasha, they also produce wool, and need to be rounded up to be shorn.

lovin' the "produce" euphemism. I can picture them all now...... "producing" away at the local wool manufacturing plant.

[TargeT]

Posted by Akasha (here)
"producing" away at the local wool manufacturing plant.

Real vegans don't wear wool right?



you guys only wear what you eat right? (plant stuffs?)