Exolinguistics - alien languages: the work of Nancy du Tertre

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Citizen No2 (here)
Ewan wrote:

I also found it quite disturbing that LMH veered so sharply away from the subject of human mutilation but I wouldn't, as a consequence, disregard anything she has to say because of that. It is possible, for example, that the topic of human mutilation is just a topic that she just can't even face the possibility of and subsequently disregards as a defence mechanism.

True Ewan, true, but I beg to differ. It is also possible that Linda has come up against a wall..... "you shall pass no further, you shall not talk of such thing's"....... But with that I am in the land of guesswork. Her comment's on the Brazilian case of HM were dis-ingenuous at best, mis-direction at worst.

The symbols on the i-beam from the Santilli video spell out V-I-D-E-O. That is some co-incidence, maybe just a quirk of 'Alien' humour. For people new to this, do a little research on Ray Santilli to start getting a bit more perspective of this case. What ever did happen to Ray Santilli, the guy that brought to light some of the most important video known to mankind?

Hi, All — various comments here, if they may be helpful or interesting. Just bulletpoints... it's all fascinating, but some of this is off-topic on this thread. (Do feel free to start new ones for more extensive discussion that's nothing to do with exolinguistics.)

• It's true that Linda Howe hasn't focused much on human mutilation, but as best I know there haven't been many cases — and she's hardly alone in not having said much about the subject. Almost no-one has. It has to be possible — though I've seen or heard no evidence of this — that some high-level researchers have been warned off. For a little more on this, see the interesting (and possibly important) thread: UFO Hunters TV show was getting close to the truth, then the show was axed.

• Her comments on the Brazilian case of HM were dis-ingenuous at best, mis-direction at worst.

  For reference, this is this case: http://alienvideo.net/0805/alien-abd...mutilation.php, which was a very disturbing one. Logically, human mutilations have to be a very real possibility. One of the many reasons Majestic might have for a non-disclosure policy. How do you explain that to the public?

• The symbols on the i-beam from the Santilli video spell out V-I-D-E-O

  Depends on which way up you hold it (or look at it). And besides, there were two beams, not one. (Did the other one spell AUDIO? No, it didn't!) The problem here is always going to be Pareidolia — a fancy name for thinking that we see meaning, or familiar shapes or letters, in otherwise meaningless images. In my strong personal opinion, it's almost completely improbable that the glyphs are related to any human language. More likely, something like the ET version of this:
  
  

• The Santilli video definitely needs its own thread. The briefest comment:
  
  As best I know, Ray Santilli, who badly mismanaged the entire thing from beginning to end, recreated much (but not all) of the footage from genuine original reels most of which were too badly decomposed to use. I have lengthy correspondence with someone, who I never met but trusted, who himself said he had spoken personally with the 1947 cameraman, whose name was Jack and who at that time (mid-2000s) was very elderly and lived in Florida. I believe he was 90-something years old, and has since passed.
  
  My correspondent was 100% convinced the original film was real. Most significantly, a number of whistleblower witnesses have reported over the years that they had been shown something that was very similar indeed to the Santilli film in classified military briefings in the 1950s and 60s — beings that looked just like that, with 6 fingers and toes, that did NOT resemble the image we all have of 'classical Greys'... who appear to be a different type of being, at least anatomically. We have to remember that there were a number of crash retrievals in that time period: not just Roswell, by any means.

• I'll respond with a few views and observations about CARET (which IS on-topic!) soon.

[Olam]

Thanks Bill for this amazing thread!
I have to say, after working with a shaman lady for a few years, she gave me parting gifts, a personal ancient hebrew song that my whole body resonates when I sing it, but she also gave me an alien script like message. She mentioned it was for me but never said what was the message. The script does look like some of the stuff posted here..
I have been searching for the meaning of this for many years!
Since its a personal message, I don't want to post it in public, but I could send as a PM to trusted members if it can help..

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

I'll respond with a few views and observations about CARET (which IS on-topic!) soon.

Okay. I'll respond as concisely as I can. This is because Citizen No2, whose opinions about anything should be respected (and certainly are by me), said here (post #25):

Posted by Citizen No2 (here)

CARET......... really?

I apologise. I could well be exposing my utter ignorance here. I thought this case had been picked to bits, to the nth degree, and was found to be lacking....... including the pristinely packaged documentation (that include many errors, untruths and mistakes), and absolutely perfect photographs of the drones of course. I was of the belief that this whole episode was rolled-out, move for move, like a well organised, tactical, marketing campaign. Did anyone ever get to the bottom of who, exactly, Issac was?

I am genuinely asking for some clarification here. Honestly, I would love to be privy to more information that would turn my belief of this case into something I could believe in, because as it stands at the minute, in my mind, just telling people, "yes, this is real", does not cut it.

Why is this case real?

Various bulletpoints, in no special order:

• First, it was debunked/rejected by MUFON. Their analysis is here, as a downloadable PowerPoint presentation:
  http://mufon.com/documents/Drones-CARET.ppt
  
  My own comment on this is that there was extensive internet debate about this when all this first surfaced, back in 2007. Many felt it was a hoax, and a number of image specialists said the images were CGI. But not all agreed, by any means.

• It was showcased (and investigated) in S01E07 (Series 1, Episode 7) of UFO Hunters. The episode, which though typically dramatized is really very interesting, can be downloaded here (350 Mb, available for 7 days till 5 April):
  http://we.tl/Y9Bxczv6w4
  
  Their conclusion — not to be scoffed at, despite the style of the show — was that it might be CGI, but this was inconclusive.

• There are a number of links to the source information in my post here on this thread (#6).

• There are three separate Avalon threads about it already (just looked! )
  — "CARET" Documents
  — CARET documents (Palo Alto)
  — Crop Circle (June 26, 2010)/Drone UFO/CARET "Schematics"

• If it was a hoax, it was an extraordinarily elaborate one, involving many people, for no apparent gain. Besides the extensive detail in the documents (and elaborate photographs and images), there were many sightings over a wide geographical area.
  http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section

• • • • • 1 Original sightings
          • 1.1 Tahoe
          • 1.2 Chad
          • 1.3 Rajinder Satyanarayana
          • 1.4 Stephen
          • 1.5 Ty
          • 1.6 Isaac
        • 2 Supplemental sightings
          • 2.1 Birmingham
          • 2.2 Shirley
          • 2.3 Ned White
          • 2.4 Ted Connors
          • 2.5 Barksdale AFB
          • 2.6 Yosemite
          • 2.7 Melody
          • 2.8 Brent
          • 2.9 Hendersonville TN
          • 2.10 Tomball TX
          • 2.11 Ohio
          • 2.12 X NSA Security
        • 3 Similar Sightings
          • 3.1 Italy
          • 3.2 Sperm shaped
          • 3.3 Crab shaped
          • 3.4 Cam - Scott's Valley
          • 3.5 Indiana
          • 3.6 Elizabethton TN
          • 3.7 Chicago IL
          • 3.8 Tewkesbury UK
          • 3.9 Historical Reports and Citations from Books

• Finally, Linda Howe, who endorses the story in this video (do watch this — it's a fascinating presentation) is no mug. She had extensive personal correspondence with 'Isaac' back in 2007, which I believe is available in the members (subscription) section of her website, Earthfiles.com. I don't have the details of how much of this has been published.
  
  
  
  Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yPAU6-OMNFM
  

[Citizen No2]

Thank you for taking the time to start a response Bill.

I can't work this case out at all, still, after all this time. None of it conforms to one, linear story. It is certainly not all true, the documents tell their own story that is full of holes. The independent sightings tell a very different story, that independent witnesses' witnessed these drones. It is when you put all the pieces together that you get a story that does not gel. I don't get it.

The Palo Alto documents......... these are an enigma. The time that has been put into producing those drawings alone, never mind the expense, must have been huge, but they don't add up. The front cover is wrong, the fact that they are 4th quarter, 1986, yet the info contained enables a complete novice to read them and have a full understanding of what the CARET programme is all about....... and these are meant to be 4th Quarter? They have been redacted, yet there is no security classification...... Redacted by whom? The list could go on and on.

I think a better statement of my understanding is: It is not all true, but then again, it is not all fantasy. I think I'll have to move this one from the 'hoax' shelf, to the 'not sure' shelf.

Bill wrote:

I'll respond as concisely as I can. This is because Citizen No2, whose opinions about anything should be respected (and certainly are by me)

That is very kind of you to say Bill, but quite unnecessary. I do not need my opinions to be respected, because, after all, they are just my opinions.

I appreciate you taking the time to address my questions.


Regards.

P.S. I hold not-a-lot of faith in MUFON, as an organisation. Not the researcher's, the organisation. It seems to me that MUFON play a very important role for a very important group. Who was it that said, "the lie is different at every level" ?

[nomadguy]

Jumping in a little late here but here is a series of interviews of Nancy Du Terte with Jefferey Mishlove in his "New Thinking Allowed" series that he has just reestablished within the past 6 months.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r5BijzAOxG8

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F4XCGJoyagU

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_TNXudnStMU

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fEkwBwgeab4

[Nancy du Tertre]

Posted by nomadguy (here)
Jumping in a little late here but here is a series of interviews of Nancy Du Terte with Jefferey Mishlove in his "New Thinking Allowed" series that he has just reestablished within the past 6 months.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r5BijzAOxG8

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F4XCGJoyagU

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_TNXudnStMU

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fEkwBwgeab4

Ah!! You found me!! I wasn't quite expecting that... :D

[Nancy du Tertre]

I also would like to say that in that series I did with Jeff Mishlove, I was very surprised, honored and humbled when, half way through the series, he had a sudden change of heart and decided, for the first time in decades, to speak publicly again about his own research about a man named Ted Owens who apparently had extraordinary PK abilities and was also communicating with aliens. We had a pretty far-ranging discussion from psychic abilities, to psychic detective work, to alien communication.
Nancy du Tertre

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Nancy du Tertre (here)

I also would like to say that in that series I did with Jeff Mishlove, I was very surprised, honored and humbled when, half way through the series, he had a sudden change of heart and decided, for the first time in decades, to speak publicly again about his own research about a man named Ted Owens who apparently had extraordinary PK abilities and was also communicating with aliens. We had a pretty far-ranging discussion from psychic abilities, to psychic detective work, to alien communication.
Nancy du Tertre

Yes. Ted Owens' story is most, most remarkable. There's an Avalon thread about him here:

Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people

...and the book about him is here: (highly recommended by me)

http://projectavalon.net/The_PK_Man_...y_Mishlove.pdf

[Nancy du Tertre]

Posted by Olam (here)
Thanks Bill for this amazing thread!
I have to say, after working with a shaman lady for a few years, she gave me parting gifts, a personal ancient hebrew song that my whole body resonates when I sing it, but she also gave me an alien script like message. She mentioned it was for me but never said what was the message. The script does look like some of the stuff posted here..
I have been searching for the meaning of this for many years!
Since its a personal message, I don't want to post it in public, but I could send as a PM to trusted members if it can help..

Hi Olam, sorry if I haven't quite figured out the correct reply protocols, but I saw your post and I wanted to let you know that I would be very interested in seeing a copy of the script message. I have been putting together a worldwide database of language and speech samples. In the work I am doing to study exolinguistics, I have created a new approach which is a kind of comparative linguistics approach using actual artifacts, recollections of alien script, and channeled speech or writing. What I am now finding is that there are some very interesting cross-correlations and ultimately that is how we will begin to build a Rosetta Stone for alien languages. Many of these alleged alien languages bear a striking similarity to some of the Paleo-Hebrew languages... so your comment doesn't surprise me. Best, Nancy du Tertre

[Olam]

Posted by Nancy du Tertre (here)

Posted by Olam (here)
Thanks Bill for this amazing thread!
I have to say, after working with a shaman lady for a few years, she gave me parting gifts, a personal ancient hebrew song that my whole body resonates when I sing it, but she also gave me an alien script like message. She mentioned it was for me but never said what was the message. The script does look like some of the stuff posted here..
I have been searching for the meaning of this for many years!
Since its a personal message, I don't want to post it in public, but I could send as a PM to trusted members if it can help..

Hi Olam, sorry if I haven't quite figured out the correct reply protocols, but I saw your post and I wanted to let you know that I would be very interested in seeing a copy of the script message. I have been putting together a worldwide database of language and speech samples. In the work I am doing to study exolinguistics, I have created a new approach which is a kind of comparative linguistics approach using actual artifacts, recollections of alien script, and channeled speech or writing. What I am now finding is that there are some very interesting cross-correlations and ultimately that is how we will begin to build a Rosetta Stone for alien languages. Many of these alleged alien languages bear a striking similarity to some of the Paleo-Hebrew languages... so your comment doesn't surprise me. Best, Nancy du Tertre

Awsome Nancy !
I just sent you a picture of the message via PM ...
thanks for your time on this!

[Mutchie]

Hello Nancy i hope you enjoy the forum the conversations are interesting & the topics certainly vary i wanted to ask YOU what you think of all this talk of FALLEN ANGELS that was mentioned in your video i just watched its a very popular topic... I have read the story from the book of enoch which was very interesting i thought but then i heard LA MARZULLI and i realised these Christians believe the fallen are the Aliens of old and they are convinced they are DEMONIC ... he has this theory about the high technology boom the human race has seen over the last 100 years he believes we were helped and it makes you wander ... What do you think surely Alien humanoids could exist without being demonic ?... x.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mutchie (here)

surely Alien humanoids could exist without being demonic ?

Yes, of course. Marzulli's standpoint is a fundamentalist Christian one. But like you, I'd also welcome Nancy's view!

[Nancy du Tertre]

Posted by Citizen No2 (here)
Thank you for taking the time to start a response Bill.

I can't work this case out at all, still, after all this time. None of it conforms to one, linear story. It is certainly not all true, the documents tell their own story that is full of holes. The independent sightings tell a very different story, that independent witnesses' witnessed these drones. It is when you put all the pieces together that you get a story that does not gel. I don't get it.

The Palo Alto documents......... these are an enigma. The time that has been put into producing those drawings alone, never mind the expense, must have been huge, but they don't add up. The front cover is wrong, the fact that they are 4th quarter, 1986, yet the info contained enables a complete novice to read them and have a full understanding of what the CARET programme is all about....... and these are meant to be 4th Quarter? They have been redacted, yet there is no security classification...... Redacted by whom? The list could go on and on.

I think a better statement of my understanding is: It is not all true, but then again, it is not all fantasy. I think I'll have to move this one from the 'hoax' shelf, to the 'not sure' shelf.

Bill wrote:

I'll respond as concisely as I can. This is because Citizen No2, whose opinions about anything should be respected (and certainly are by me)

That is very kind of you to say Bill, but quite unnecessary. I do not need my opinions to be respected, because, after all, they are just my opinions.

I appreciate you taking the time to address my questions.


Regards.

P.S. I hold not-a-lot of faith in MUFON, as an organisation. Not the researcher's, the organisation. It seems to me that MUFON play a very important role for a very important group. Who was it that said, "the lie is different at every level" ?

Hello Citizen No2, if Bill holds you in high esteem, then so do I! :D I happen to know a lot of the folks at MUFON and fully appreciate that while the organization is loaded with talent and sincere interest in pursuing the truth, it is also infiltrated. As such, the organization has a variety of goals. It's kind of like if you work in the construction business in New York City, or certain other industries, it is absolutely inevitable that you will have to deal with the Mob at one point or another in your career. It's a given. This doesn't mean you can't conduct business, it just means you understand certain things about how business works. This said, I still believe MUFON's objectives actually work effectively for a number of disparate goals.

Now, as for the CARET documents, I actually received them from a source in another country who, I believe, received them directly from someone in that organization. He has told me the documents are "real." He is highly protective of his source. Could they have been fraudulently manufactured and distributed? Yes of course, but as you accurately point out, someone would have had to have gone to a huge expense with some byzantine rationale for trying to throw the public "off the trail" by exposing us to these drawings and technologies. Why fabricate this story? What purpose would that serve? Such a rationale would have to be hideously convoluted in terms of what it would hope to accomplish. If anything, I think these documents suggest/confirm in no uncertain terms that 1) we are in possession of alien technology, 2) these technologies have been distributed to at least one private enterprise and 3) this confirms certain unusual and strange aspects of these technologies. Clearly, this kind of marketing/propoganda, if that's what it is, would be quite different from the idea of documents intended to mislead about the existence of MJ 12. Yes, of course, it could be intended to put researchers on a wild goose chase. Maybe it is intended, like so many Hollywood movies, to warm up the public to the idea of human-alien realities. Or perhaps, in a more Machiavellian vein, it could be intended to have researchers solve part of the mystery (for free and on their dime) for TPTB. Your gut sense is that it was a tactical marketing campaign since the documents, you say, contain errors, the cover is "all wrong," that the entire program is spelled out in a 4th quarter report, redacted by an anonymous person, and no security classification. Would a private company have a security classification like the military? I don't know the answer to this, but it's not obvious to me. Would a source-leak attempt to leak some info while maintaining confidentiality on other more dark or sensitive aspects of the program and maintain his/her anonymity while leaking? To me it seems plausible. While I understand that normally the 4th quarter report would be limited to a more concise statement of earnings for the last three months and not dedicated to a full-blown history of the program, this document states it is a "Research Report." The document states that it is "intended as a primer on the tentative findings of the Q4 1986 research phase (referred to herein as "Q4-86)" which suggests it is not a typical financial quarterly report at all and therefore it is not surprising that the info would "enable a complete novice" to get a grasp of the overall program. Further, the document states that it is focused on "extraction" or "the process of converting raw artifacts of extraterrestrial origin to usable, full-documented human technology" which it states hasn't yet been achieved but that a "comprehensive documentation of PACL's extraction process can be found in document PACL-D0006, entitled "PACL Extraction Procedure Guide." Thus, this is clearly the "basic" document with the overview to which other more specific research documents are linked. I think the document is intriguing and the alien "writing" is also quite fascinating. I am working on some possible ways to interpret it. I think the drawings are also fascinating because they seem to indicate interrelated mechanical functioning of quantum fields and they appear to be quite well organized in terms of possible functionality. So I am (perhaps mistakenly, who knows?) more optimistic about their authenticity...
Best,
Nancy du Tertre

[Nancy du Tertre]

I get into a little discussion about aliens versus angels/demons in my book. The quick answer is if you look back to the old Greek definition of a "demon" : "a supernatural being of Greek mythology intermediate between gods and men" - it did not originally refer to the "evil" element. I believe that over the centuries, certain quasi-gods like Hermes, who became intermediaries and sometimes tricksters, gave a bad name to "demons" and the word eventually evolved into a more Christian caste of evil spirits or minions of the Devil. I know several exorcists and demonologists. I was very surprised to discover that "demonology" means the systematic study of supernatural beings who are not gods. It does not mean the study of evil spirits. OK, with those definitions in hand, doesn't it seem infinitely logical that aliens (who are neither human nor God) would qualify under this definition? Does that mean they are "demonic" and evil in the modern sense of the word? No. Also, if you look at the definition of an "angel" - a spiritual being believed to act as an attendant, agent, or messenger of God - they are clearly neither human nor God. So it would appear angels fall under the same definition as demons - and so do aliens.

[Sequoia]

DRONE - STRANGE CRAFT musicvideo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZTtoIH9RLw

PS Samples taken from the earthfiles podcasts by Linda Moulton Howe

[Pharos]

Greetings everyone.. This is a first post.

I recently listened to a podcast from Natalie Gray [thegrayescape], that might bring some valuable insight to this discussion:
Natalie Gray interviews John Stuart Reid who is a scientist researching acoustics. He has developed a scientific instrument, the "Cymascope" that makes sound visible.

In the podcast he speaks of an experiment he conducted in the Kings Chamber of the great pyramid, where the Cymascope was able to register patterns that resemble hieroglyphs when the tomb was tapped.

One could possibly extrapolate and consider the possibility that a "language of the birds", a term dear to alchemist throughout the ages, is embedded in the acoustic properties of matter itself. There would therefore be a scientific basis for the universality of certain patterns or symbols. If this is so, the implications are staggering. This would mean a verifiable and direct link to the earliest glyphs mankind has produced and a pathway to understanding how and why symbols affect the mind.
I would love to hear Nancy's thoughts about this! The entire podcast is well worth the listen!

http://thegrayescape.com/podcast/ep-35-cymatics

[BMJ]

In post 1, 29 minutes into the presentation Nancy shows a image of the venusian woman she looks very similiar to Dolores Barrios whom claimed she was also from venus.



Link: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread554264/pg1

Also in regards to telepathy in the human language I would agree it is posssible. The language comes threw crystal clear and is as spoken in english regardless of whether spoken to a human or animal such as a dog or bird.

[giovonni]

her latest interview ...

How to Talk to an Alien - Nancy Du Tertre - Documented Contact - Latest Intel

Leak Project

Self coined The Skeptical Psychic™. Nancy advocates a new approach to psychic ability that combines intuitive imaging with rational feedback. She calsl this "TSP" - a form of tested ESP and clairvoyance.

I am going to read an excerpt from Nancy's website http://www.theskepticalpsychic.com/

"What is TSP?" It is a concept of combining our intuition with our inner vision in order to access information about ourselves and our world that would otherwise remain invisible and matched against our verifiable reality. You don't need to believe. You just need to trust. Call it "suspended disbelief" if you like! There is a link between our minds and the world around us which is vaster and richer than we could have ever imagined. Our human organism is a finely tuned instrument which is capable of things beyond our wildest dreams. But this kind of information must be distinguished from pure fantasy. It must be verified.

Learn how to talk to an Extra Terrestrial and improve your psychic intuition.

Published on May 14, 2016

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MznWhzNYUh0

[Nancy du Tertre]

Giovanni, wow! You are definitely up to date! I'm impressed! Thanks for posting this... I literally just got around to putting this up on my website www.theskepticalpsychic.com. As always, I welcome any comments/questions. Best, Nancy

[Hazelfern]

Posted by Shannon (here)
Just finished Nancy's presentation and very much liked it. Her style of delivering her work was pleasant, and warm...she seems like a pretty cool chick....

Really interesting and fascinating stuff, presented in a neat and tidy way ...I walked away with more knowlege, more questions, and a new girl crush

' You're a corker Shannon. What a corker you are.'

I'm just catching up with this thread. I caught the podcast on Leak Project and was inspired. Thanks Nancy!