Reincarnation - A supplemental theory

[rgray222]

Posted by AOG (here)
Greetings again. It's been a long time since I posted on this forum. I sort of need to vent internal things on a forum like this and I think this is the best place to do it.

Some people believe that reincarnation attaches the soul of the person to ALL of their past lives and that the karma accrued from ALL past lives ends up governing a present life in subtle and invisible ways. That is typically the standard idea of reincarnation people tend to believe.

I'm wondering now if perhaps instead of ALL of the past lives one has lived having an effect on their present life, maybe it's only like, say, the past dozen or so lives that have any effect? And the previous karma's accrued from the lives before the most recent ones become diluted to the point where they dissipate and hold no sway any longer.

It makes sense to me since reincarnation belief is typically a never ending journey to become perfect or whatever the ultimate authority of the universe desires souls to be. This would explain why it takes so long to achieve perfection/immortality/ultimate knowledge of life, and the like, because it's basically like chasing an impossible goal. Perhaps if there was some way souls could increase the lingering karmic effect of more past lives souls would be able to truly learn lessons we need to evolve into higher dimensional existences. Because right now, it seems like people would be learning the same lessons over and over again. So I think this theory kind of sheds some light on that.

Thoughts?

Wow, so many things cropping up in one reasonably short post. Karma, time, reincarnation, life and the final destination.

These are simply my thoughts without a lot of elaboration

1. We came from somewhere and all of us retain some of those memories. It is just hard to understand them and even harder yet to believe them.

2. Karma is simply the balance of all things in the universe. This balance goes far beyond the human experience. Karma applies to virtually every single thing in the universe. We make the mistake of taking it personally.

3. Reincarnation is simply the journey. The destination is where we should be focused.

4. Time is a mystery to most of us. Our life on earth happens in the blink of an eye in other dimensions. It is easy to come to earth from a dimension where 80 human years is the equivalent of three days.

5. Earth is designed to be the way it is, with all it wonders and all its horrible attributes. War, poverty, greed, sickness, corruption etc are all here for us. They will never go away. Everything is by design. If one illness is eradicated another will eventually take its place. If one war stops another will eventually come along. Oddly enough, understanding this brings a certain amount of peace to your 'life'.

6. Being put on this earth with a clean mind (amnesia) is essential to our life experience. It is a maddening but an absolutely necessary component of our life experience.

7. The importance we place on human life is intentionally built into our DNA. If it were not, many would not stay. It is one of the greatest deceptions placed upon the human race.

8. Finding your souls purpose or mission is key to the human experience. Each of us must be aware and patient to be able to recognize our souls mission when it arises in this life. Waiting almost a lifetime for this to happen is not uncommon.

9. Trying to figure out the meaning of life is fun and tantalizing but it is not why we are here. Our job is to live our lives as full and as well as 'humanly possible'.

10. When you think and really connect, when you have that fleeting moment of clarity you begin to understand that the destination is the prize. The journey is fairly insignificant.

[AOG]

Thank you all for replying. It just made me realize how much I missed this species of discussion. It seems we have all happened upon similar thoughts regarding this time immemorial concept of reincarnation, and I find that to be a reassuring sign.

Posted by bettye198 (here)

It makes more sense to me that the reincarnational wheel is a tool used by TPTB, call them what you like, off planet beings in control mode, to keep us coming back again and again, not advancing to higher dimensions.

I recently was acquainted with this theory that souls are like sustenance to a higher dimensional race that waters our imaginations in an environment ultimately under their control, and that they omnivorously devour our dramatic experiences of pleasure and pain because they have reached a level of evolution where they no longer have emotions of their own due to becoming a hive-minded singularity, and so in witnessing human beings they are able to regain a sense of our whimsically ignorant understandings they shed long ago, perhaps by the attainment of immortality, and this vicarious predation is the soma for the curse of immortality. Also, by praying, or magic, or affinity for certain individuals, or for their own amusement, or if they can expect your experiences to taste extra delicious upon their interventions, they can bend the laws of the environment we dwell in to enable such experiences to happen. And that the way these beings tend to us is analogous to a gardener removing weeds from the path of a fruit plant, watering it, preventing bugs from eating its leaves, uprooting it and positioning it into a better spot for its DNA, and of course, a harmful vice versa, etc.

[greybeard]

Posted by AOG (here)
Thank you all for replying. It just made me realize how much I missed this species of discussion. It seems we have all happened upon similar thoughts regarding this time immemorial concept of reincarnation, and I find that to be a reassuring sign.

Posted by bettye198 (here)

It makes more sense to me that the reincarnational wheel is a tool used by TPTB, call them what you like, off planet beings in control mode, to keep us coming back again and again, not advancing to higher dimensions.

I recently was acquainted with this theory that souls are like sustenance to a higher dimensional race that waters our imaginations in an environment ultimately under their control, and that they omnivorously devour our dramatic experiences of pleasure and pain because they have reached a level of evolution where they no longer have emotions of their own due to becoming a hive-minded singularity, and so in witnessing human beings they are able to regain a sense of our whimsically ignorant understandings they shed long ago, perhaps by the attainment of immortality, and this vicarious predation is the soma for the curse of immortality. Also, by praying, or magic, or affinity for certain individuals, or for their own amusement, or if they can expect your experiences to taste extra delicious upon their interventions, they can bend the laws of the environment we dwell in to enable such experiences to happen. And that the way these beings tend to us is analogous to a gardener removing weeds from the path of a fruit plant, watering it, preventing bugs from eating its leaves, uprooting it and positioning it into a better spot for its DNA, and of course, a harmful vice versa, etc.

Respectful I would disagree on several points.
Its lower astral that feeds on negative emotions.
The soul is above and beyond any influence ---the persona is quite different as is the emotion.

The belief is influenced by what book was read last or video watched.
Very rarely is it personal experience that was not triggered by those kind of influences.

A computer saying was garbage in garbage out--not saying anything expressed her is garbage but we ar greatly influenced by input particularly negative fear driven input. Horror films so popular---Kill and destroy videos games.

So if there is a lower astral manipulation of humans it comes through these and other emotive happenings.

The traditional though tht Earth is the perfect University for consciousness evolution I agree with.
The body dies we come back to the next class till we graduate--through enlightenment.
One meaning of the word enlightenment is--- removal of ignorance.
The fallacy--called Maya is that we are a separate individual---separated from Creator
Reincarnation is the opportunity to realise the Self.

You can tell what I have been reading consistently--exposing myself to, for over thirty years--smiling

Chris

[sirdipswitch]

We are Immortal Beings Of The Highest Order, This body, is just a suit we wear to have this Physical Experience... and nothing more. Our past lives were just that, our present lives are just that. Every thing we experience in this life... is for "This" life... and nothing more. We are the Physical aspect of our High Self, having fun in the physical... and nothing more. There is nothing "Here"... that "We" need to learn. This is why we need to forget our past lives... so that we start fresh, with each new experience. It is "Because of Who and What we are", that somewhere during the course of each life, we begin to "Ask" these questions.

It's all an elaborate game that "We", invented, to play in the physical. Yes and those powers that be... that we think are in control of this world... were there at the beginning, to help with the rules. They were all laid down in a book... approved by Source, and after IT, laid down the final rule, by which govern it all, divided it into five (5) pages... and scattered it about "This World... because This World... is the only one it pertains to."

I had to go Out Of Body, to find it, but it's "Well" worth the effort! cc. I first learned of "The Book"... on a Scientology web site! cc.

Final Rule? ........................ HUMOR...ccc...

[bettye198]

Hello Greybeard, I'd like to qualify my perception of negative emotions in lower astral.
I DO believe the dark and negative emotions are not just in lower worlds. What I have resonated with and read at length about star wars at gates and on planets and in higher dimensions, higher than the 4th, it is an ongoing challenge. Which does not surprise me that it has trickled so intensely on this world. The Voyagers books Vol 1 and 11 make perfect sense about all the tribal wars and treaties and defaults and territorial controls in many densities and within those densities, dimensions. We want to aspire to etherically beautiful dimensional beings that come into our scope be it in meditation or dreams or visions but true pure ones have to come from much higher places like the 13-14-15 dimensions and higher. Below that level, the challenges still pervade. When those fallen energies take over, there is a constant need to protect the environment, the people and their mindsets. This is where our positivity and strength come in, because it does call to Heavenly Hosts of those domains. The Source of all Creation sends out the troops per se, to Host so that the planet does not go into true Fall. But we, as the citizens, the lighted souls work with those Hosts. I guess its like a Corporate structure, so to speak.

[WhiteLove]

Posted by AOG (here)
Greetings again. It's been a long time since I posted on this forum. I sort of need to vent internal things on a forum like this and I think this is the best place to do it.

Some people believe that reincarnation attaches the soul of the person to ALL of their past lives and that the karma accrued from ALL past lives ends up governing a present life in subtle and invisible ways. That is typically the standard idea of reincarnation people tend to believe.

I'm wondering now if perhaps instead of ALL of the past lives one has lived having an effect on their present life, maybe it's only like, say, the past dozen or so lives that have any effect? And the previous karma's accrued from the lives before the most recent ones become diluted to the point where they dissipate and hold no sway any longer.

It makes sense to me since reincarnation belief is typically a never ending journey to become perfect or whatever the ultimate authority of the universe desires souls to be. This would explain why it takes so long to achieve perfection/immortality/ultimate knowledge of life, and the like, because it's basically like chasing an impossible goal. Perhaps if there was some way souls could increase the lingering karmic effect of more past lives souls would be able to truly learn lessons we need to evolve into higher dimensional existences. Because right now, it seems like people would be learning the same lessons over and over again. So I think this theory kind of sheds some light on that.

Thoughts?

Interesting topic!

Lately my understanding about life has shifted towards the theory of this infinite cycle of re-connecting and re-discovering who you truly are: "this is who I am, no this is who I am". Because I am finding that if the universe is a free will universe, then it must mean that using the free will to tell the universe who you are is a fundamental part of how things progress. And when you then tie truth, love, authenticity and acceleration to that, you get closer and closer to who you truly are as a being and the experience of that - waking up to more of who you are a density shift at a time. But because I also think that the essence of creation is unconditional love, then it also means that in the manifestation process there is also feedback that provides options to choose from that knows more about who I am, than I currently do. This is what accelerates the process of being in more truth and becoming more real. That in turn I think is a very beautiful path to walk that leads to unconditional love and joy.

[ghostrider]

Edward Meier and the plejaren speak very deeply about reincarnation ... karma stayss with that temporary personality , when the spirit form leaves the material body, the old personality and its karma are desolved away ... the beyond is only spirit forms (energy) learning there for 152 years, when ready and the new body is at the 21st day of conception, the spirit form re-attaches to a materal body once again where another 80-100 years of experiences and learning continues from a new perspective, with the previous personality completely gone. ..Due to the overpopulation of earth, the creational law of 152 years between lifetimes is broken and people can return in 10 or 20 or 30 years ... big problem with the world people are spiritually immature and only lean towards the material world ... spiritual learning was cut short by too many bodies being created by material minded earth humans. .. no balance, and our world reflects it. ..

[Ernie Nemeth]

I don't consider reincarnation in finite terms. When someone says the word reincarnation I think of the wheel of life, of a process. The wheel is a form, its function to turn around and back again, over and over. I don't pretend to understand it. It is how I see it so I can visualize the fractal nature of it - it's polarized holographic make-up. "As above, so below". Where size, and time have no context.

I see a Creative Source, playing Frisbee with itself. Tossing great gobs of probabilities into the void and watching them spin, turn round, and return transformed. But it doesn't make total sense. What's the Source material? How does it process into life and humans? What is it's purpose? Are there surprises even for The Infinite? There must be since any form can be created whole with sufficient foreknowledge, supposedly. Is the Source also an effect of a yet larger Source? Is it all a churning Grand Cycle and an occulted and even Grander Cycle just beyond, spiralling thus forever?

Is reincarnation the rule rather than the exception? Do all gestalts evolve?

I can't remember a single thing from any lifetime other than this one. I get hints of the future, or a possible future. I get a feeling it is important to "get it right" but since that is such an illusive and confusing goal to "try and improve every day" is laudable enough.

Purely from a gut feeling it seems reincarnation is the spiral to evolution's circle.

I wonder if lower forms of life also reincarnate?

[Ron Mauer Sr]

​It is likely impossible for a 3rd density human being to have the depth of understanding required to fully understand the rules and nature of reincarnation.

It would be very interesting to understand some of the reasons for Prime Creator to play this game of self discovery with itself.

I heard Barbara Marcinak channel and say that any being who thinks of itself as being Prime Creator has yet to discover it is the child of yet another creator. That statement stuck with me over the years because it was so profound and possibly true, providing a clue to the depth of all-that-is and who we really are.

I think how nice it would be if we had the tools to navigate our experience in the most enjoyable, exciting (sometimes) and loving way. Maybe that navigation tool is simply absolute clear communication with our inner being.