Experiencers, witnesses in ufo abductions and all things paranormal, please read

[thepainterdoug]

I am already a believer in much of the above, so don't gang up on me. However, If I wanted to compile a list of the best tangible credible evidence of anything regarding these subjects above, to show and help bring others along who yet believe, what would you submit?

[ponda]

You could possibly use crop circles as some type of evidence.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/interface2005.htm

[Bluegreen]

I would suggest the extensive testimony of Sgt Clifford Stone. Start anywhere and go from there.

"I was born a Roman Catholic and I'll die a Roman Catholic. It's all about spirituality."
- Clifford Stone

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1GnGGCaC6P4

[thepainterdoug]

ponda/ yes i would certainly go there. ty

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yes/ I included Clifford in my Whistleblowers art project. www.dougauld.com/whistleblowers

[boja]

Animal Mutilations are tangible evidence.

[thepainterdoug]

Rich Hall on Richplanet has a chilling presentation on that subject. Yet I believe many people would still write that off as government experiments and such.

[Agape]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I am already a believer in much of the above, so don't gang up on me. However, If I wanted to compile a list of the best tangible credible evidence of anything regarding these subjects above, to show and help bring others along who yet believe, what would you submit?

I'm sorry to tell you this much @thepainterdough as you're a 'well known , profiled and supported personality' on this forum, Bills good friend I presume
but most importantly you proved your-self already by painting all those beautiful people ..
and I'm but one of 'your witnesses' , with meagre 2 or 3 interviews out there and do not mean much either to your friend Bill Ryan or this specific community ..

no matter of what I do mean to the 'cause' in real world , here the debate is very limited to people who keep documenting their life style and research meticulously and making themselves available on internet pages , to internet friends over years ..


So you know I'm also quite involved in the above question probably much longer than anyone present here including founders of this forum,
more specifically and urgently since big ET encounter in 2002 for me but the question you are rising is VERY OLD

and needs to be studied by you deeply and approached with some cautions, if you ask .

It's not and never will be a matter of raw, simple minded argument between yes and no and someone getting angry .

The problematics of ET encounters and their technologies is fairly subtle and complicated and unless there're scientists willing to invest their research to specific cases and open minded thinking of the cutting-edge kind rather than leaving 'ET contact cases' in hands of armchair researchers, village shamans who go to trance as they did for thousands and millions years already and predict the future of the crops with pendulums or other such devices in hands ,
till any of your researchers and witnesses ( BOTH ) think it's that simple ..

there'll be only more confusion coming out about the subject, more conspiracy theories , more nonsense .

Presuming someone submitting 'supportive evidence' over the internet resulted already in many hoaxes , predictions of all kinds ,

without investigating real cases you can't get far and know what you're talking about here or what's possible.

Pardon me for being so blunt but I think it's rather straight and fitting , if you so ask about truth.

And off the record , I can also relate to you how terrified is the professional community including the academics , including some high profile ufo researchers of dealing with real time cases and data,
if they start suspecting it may be for real . They flock much more around people who are actually , fantasising a lot - with seed of truth perhaps - and are horrified to deal with the same thing in reality because those who had been there know it is slightly dangerous , and 'it' took good few peoples lives away already .

Oh but this is just internet forum . I know .

[thepainterdoug]

Agape/ not sure about some of the intent and meaning in your writing so pardon me. i never knew I was a well supported personality on this forum more than many other brighter people who contribute here. I consider Bill my friend, never met hims as of yet, but consider everyone my friend here until I'm served notice by them not to do so. And yes, the question i ask is an old one .
We all collectively add to this forum, so I learn from you and you from others an away we go. so I asked a question to see if anyone could contribute and to see if they knew something I didn't know. Its hard to bring new people into this topic . So many of us are always preaching to the choir so to speak. thats why I asked the question.

[Red Skywalker]

I would suggest to watch all the video's of the secret space program conference 2014:

https://secretspaceprogram.org/presentations-2014/

The videos of the 2015 conference are paid per view.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Red Skywalker (here)

The videos of the 2015 conference are...

... all here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1040026

[Sunny-side-up]

I believe I have had contact with ET or some other worldly consciousness and have been looked over all my life.

I have a few drawings from my young years that suggest to me contact.
I at around the age 25 made friends with someone who is still a good friend over 25 years later, now the thing is he reports to me of having experiences that mirror my experiences.
A holiday on the Isle of White, he describes a being that is the description of my 'Jimmy' face which looks like the Hob-Goblin' or if you like one of the versions of the Grey's

We both had a major sighting of a giant blimp shaped craft which I call the 'Pulsating-Cuttlefish-Craft'. this craft was on a course towards us flying low at just a hundred feet or so.
Unmistakable, it was there and real.
We both had our journeys home and time loss from this event?

I have seen 7 different UFO types on different occasions over the years.
I have had a few major paranormal experiences as well.

I have no actual memories of seeing and or communicating with other beings directly other that the childhood drawings and a inner belief as it where!

But my point is that people like me: Not in the government, military, not a scientist, not holding any position of power etc, are the substance of this phenomenon.

Put me on a polygraph test, regress my mind etc

So many around this globe have had, are having experiences of the kind implied in your post title.
So many have had/are having far greater experiences than I have had, so many!

Yet we still find it so hard to believe, it's all to much for so many to be able to believe, even in these times.

There really is a division, a division of consciousness, those who believe/can believe and then there is the rest of the globe!
I guess one thing to remember is that we on this globe are not all the same, we have come down from many different ancestry's,
some might have simply been tampered with and so opened up to a different world.

Many worlds layered over each other, blurring into each other which we collectively call reality 0.o

So keep on plunging the Experiencers, witnesses, every family has one

It dose highlight that most of the worlds population has to have a figurehead to tell/show them what to believe in ha!

Rambled a lot there, hope it is relative to your post .

[Agape]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Agape/ not sure about some of the intent and meaning in your writing so pardon me. i never knew I was a well supported personality on this forum more than many other brighter people who contribute here. I consider Bill my friend, never met hims as of yet, but consider everyone my friend here until I'm served notice by them not to do so. And yes, the question i ask is an old one .
We all collectively add to this forum, so I learn from you and you from others an away we go. so I asked a question to see if anyone could contribute and to see if they knew something I didn't know. Its hard to bring new people into this topic . So many of us are always preaching to the choir so to speak. thats why I asked the question.

Yes and sorry , I saw that question asked many times already .

This is the grand deception , and you're being 'agens movens' of the mahamaya , the great theatre play , and we all are .
Only that my outlook as *experiencer* has been brushed too many times yet

...

Peace to you

[thepainterdoug]

SUNNY SIDE/ sounds like you have had many an experience, and thanks for posting. the cuttlefish ship sighting was with a friend?
all posted here so far certainly speak to me and my belief in these things but will be written off by people outside this paradigm we all seem to be aware of . even photos of odd objects in the sky that I have shown friends get dismissed or attempted to explain away. makes me think we have a pre set for the acceptability of this reality that most do not have and not much can change that .

[thepainterdoug]

AGAPE/ my question intended no disrespect nor is it playing anyone. I had a conversation with a friend who asked me for proof of such things, I should know better and I thought I would bring it here to see what came back, thats all. Peace to you too.

[mojo]

..offer a video archive dating back to 2010 to present with a collection of evidence that weighs in favor of paranormal happening related to sightings ie. orbs and ufos

[Agape]

I posted similar minded question about a year ago , trying to find that particular thread in the database ..

But here is another good example :

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ace-ET-Surgery

( from Omniverse )

that sums my point quite succinctly and conforms with my own life experience , with the ET . Levels more advanced AND benevolent civilisation/race of Beings they do not need to leave much garbage behind , traces , scars and injuries .

If you're really much more advanced what sense would it make to you signalling 2D or even 3D message which would be like toying with human minds .

Do they need us the same way we want to have them for chat, speaking of the human lot ?

Perhaps they're all fine with things as they are . They got us talking to each other on something that's not religions ,
it's much less fictional than many other things you partake in daily as member of human society ,

Peace

Found the thread ..

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ighlight=Proof

It might be safer to move the thread to 'members only' Contactee zone .

I would like to ask fellow 'contactees' , 'abductees' , 'ETs' and 'open minded skeptics' alike, obviously the discussion concerns those who knowingly and admittedly experienced contact with advanced ET intelligence/s in some form - whatever form and intelligence that may be -

what would they ( of their own will & decision, without any external pressure or demand ) consider a 'proof of evidence' of the ET intelligence that contacted them and whether such an evidence could be gathered .. at all .. or not . Under what circumstances , perhaps if the timing was good enough , special equipment available , lab tests etc .

I have my own mind on this that relates to my life but aware that the range of experiences is extremely vast here ..
far from being uniform .. from dreamlike visions, lucid dreams, telepathic communications, to implants, scars , DNA manipulation , various forms of biological and psychic testing , crossbreeding experiments , missing time , space-time manipulation ,
electromagnetic effects, visual effects ( such as 'orbs' or various 'blobs of light' ) etc etc .

yet .. we are all almost uniformly denied 'credibility' for our testimonies and asked to 'give them the proof' .

No matter what little evidence has been gathered by the alternative research community it's quality - compared to the quality of the 'original ET intelligence and technologies' tends to be extremely low .

For example , there have been people researched by the SETI community who claimed to 'receive alien signal' through their head that was of certain frequency , detectable signal according to those people .. yet .. when a test in isolated environment was conducted and sensitive instruments equipped , there was no evidence of such signal ever found .

Similarly, there seem to be many claims of ET/Human crossbreeding experiments and so called 'star children' or 'star seed' ( no matter the terminology ) and long chat about 12 or 24 strand DNA on alternative scene while in reality,
none such a healthy DNA or 'ET DNA' has ever been found in genetic mapping - this is no stopper in the debate - simply because human genetics is still in diapers .

On the other hand , manifold DNA strand mutations are found and mostly associated with physically and mentally retarded children rather than with the healthy , bright 'star kids' whose bio-information may simply appear to be 'perfectly in norm' ( as sort of 'golden ratio' of this entire human population ) .

So also 'alien implants' ... that seem to behave intelligently and contain some type of anomalous materials ...after 'spending' decades grown to the subjects/victims own tissue ,
even in those cases ... it's not really clear that they would have precise shapes ( corresponding to what we actually SEE to be the art-of-state technology on the ET side ) or that they would display special sort of properties that could be attributed to technical device . No stopper again .


I'm not asking this question/questions from a point of view of skeptic , obviously , I think we all are facing ..maybe globally .. a similar difficulty here, aside of claims that someones government or military have all the proofs ( I don't believe they have 'heap of evidence' , if it was 'heap' they would not be able to cover it to this day ) ,
ET does not care .

I would like to invite some of you ( or all ) who have had what you consider 'real ET contact experience' , it means you don't doubt it ( first of all, no matter who doubts you ) ,

and if you could say ... which way do you think that evidence of that particular ET group could be proved , directly .



Examples : Do you think that ETs could be photographed or captured on film . Honestly . Or , do you think ( my impression ) our technologies are still way too primitive to capture such hyper-dimensional events .


Could they be asked/ made to leave an imprint or signature somewhere that would reflect the complex nature of their biological and technical intelligence .

Could they draw a picture , in this human space-time continuum , on their own ( without using human interface ) . ( Human interface is so far, the latest and safest invention I understand is being used ).

Record a signal, speech , or whatever music on one of these human devices .


Could they indeed, leave us with material proof of their presence , a souvenir , something they would not exactly miss on the way home , with respect for the resources in space are always bit scarce .


Any other idea .... out of the box ... what do you think would be possible ?




Peace

Well it also ended with Peace ..

[thepainterdoug]

If I told you all that I captured a unicorn in my back your and had it in my barn, the next question I should would anticipate would be something like, can I see it, do you have a picture, can you prove it beyond your story. I don't see why this would be an inappropriate question and certainly don't feel anyone would be offending me by asking it. these are extraordinary claims, and the average person is just trying to get some footing into it.

[Agape]

Maybe start reading from here : http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/Cas...=PhysicalTrace

I have no idea how far did you get to any in-depth study of the subject and from I read above you don't understand what I meant to convey or the backgrounds of many 'ET contact/abduction' stories yet ..
somehow it became obvious to you that the research community is 'dry on evidence' ( I believe so too , I tried to be helpful with some explanations from the one directly involved = me )

James Randi posed his 1*$ challenge ( read one star buck , for the less imaginative reader ) long ago : http://skepdic.com/randi.html

To disbelieve in something strongly enough( alert : ''belief'' is only semantic opposite to ''disbelief'', not a real opposite for both require level of irrationality to be entertained ) to doubt it in open in simplistic manner

'unicorn , a mythical creature of your analogy captured in your back garden vs cases of ET abductions' goes well with anyone of mediocre intellect who did not study even one genuine case of ET contact .

What I find absolutely amazing here is that you actually portrayed all those 'witnesses and whistleblowers' at the same time ..

and i honestly think that ( not only ) you deserve a piece of proof.

What I can't apprehend though is the true motivation behind your post and the way you read my response , just as I've said , without prior information the level of 'information' is extremely diverse and scattered among the populace of this forum.

Sure , pardon my comments = would be enough to irk any core skeptic equipped with red marker .

[Baby Steps]

Greetings
Bless you for the paintings.
Bits that I find compelling:
1. The Roswell incident made the local press, ie the BASE COMMANDER , who was senior enough to command the USA's only nuclear bomber base at the time, went to the press and stated that they had a craft.
2. Lights over the Capitol on two subsequent Saturdays in 1951, seen by thousands, filmed, and crucially caused a big enough stir to trigger a military press conference!
3. The Phoenix lights - it ties in with Greer's activities, and again thousands of witnesses
4. The Disclosure Project press conference. I find this convincing, because many of the Military witnesses are putting their pension and/or life on the line to speak up.

Those 4 for me are conclusive, does not mean I understand the phenomenon or phenomena...

[thepainterdoug]

Baby Steps/ thanks very much this is the simple thing I asked. I wanted to see what the members here would suggest. i have been through and read much of what has been posted. As for Agape, you make an awful lot of assumptions about me. help yourself. Im not a know it all within a topic that has very little to any proof. I'm friends with many experiencers and they all have said its hard to explain and almost impossible to believe. if you can't see any merit in my question, why bother spending any time in this thread ?
I don't know you and will end it at this.

AGAPE PLEASE READ MY NEXT POST ON THE NEXT PAGE.