Catch-22's

[Mike]

I recall being in a health food store once, ten years ago or so... (See, my health had deteriorated rapidly. From the research I had done, I deduced - and was later proven correct thru blood testing - that I had this damn mitochondrial disorder. I quickly figured out the 4 most important supplements for recovery, d-ribose, magnesium, q10, and carnitine..)

...so i'm in this health food store and I can't quite think straight. I can't think straight because my brain is so compromised from this mito disease. The supplements will help with this dramatically..i know this..but here's the problem: I can only remember 2 of them..

So I grab my phone..back then your standard flip phone. I decide i'll call my sister and have her look it up for me. But I have no service. I'm very late on my bill , you see, because I can't pay it. I can't pay it because I can't work. I can't work because i'm quite sick...

..but at this point no one really knows why, despite all the testing ive done...which is staggeringly thorough. They don't know why because the tests are useless..and are only designed to detect things mainstream medicine can detect and make money on. Speaking of money, my father has paid for all these tests out of pocket...thousands of dollars...and tho supportive, has grown increasingly frustrated. Ive been to every doctor possible, and they all say nothing is wrong with me...that its "all in my head"....in other words, i'm nuts. Tho certain i'm benefitting from these supplements I don't dare say so initially, for fear that everyone will only think i'm crazier than they already do....for to say so would declare all these wonderful health professionals wrong, and me right. I wanted to scream my discovery from the rooftops, but it only would have confirmed their initial suspicion that I was going mental...so I kept kind of quiet about it..

...plus, I thought that if I said I was benifitting from these supplements, no one would take my condition seriously...because sheesh, how serious could it be if an over the counter remedy helped, right? I also thought, and was later proven correct, that people would say that the efficacy of the supplement was "all in my head".....in other words, my "all in my head" disease was only being helped by my "all in my head" supplements..

So anyway, I'm in the health food store...
I have no service....so I ask the lady at the front desk if I can use their phone. She kindly says yes. But here's the thing: I can't remember my sisters' number. I cant remember it because I have this mito disease...this disease that everyone thinks is "all in my head". Since I can't reach her, I can't figure out which "all in my head" supplements I need. If only I had them in my hand - and I practically did..they were right in that store..so close - I would take a dose, regain my mental energy and perhaps recall her number and get all the proper information. But alas, I had to buy them first...

Speaking of buying...
Thru a small miracle ive come upon a few bucks..but I still worry it won't be enough if I can ever remember what it is I need to buy. I would have asked my father for the cash, but ive already burnt a hole in his pocket...and also, being a proponent of the "all in my head" theory, it's unlikely he's going to be enthusiastic about spending even more cash on what he will later call my "all in my head" supplements...which makes me wanna cry and wail, but that would only encourage their faulty theories about my mental health...so I don't..

..eventually I.do recall 3 out.of the 4 supps I need. But here's the problem: i'm a little short on cash. Well, not exactly, but I need gas. I won't get home on the gas I have. I'm short on cash cuz I'm not working...i'm not working cuz i'm quite sick....sick with a disease no one believes I have. See, you need energy to work....but for me.to have energy I needed these supplements...but to get these supplements you needed cash....and to get this cash I.needed to work...

Get it?

I drove home with 2 out of the 4 supplements...barely making it on the sliver of gas I had. Sitting there on my bed and overwhelmed with an utter desperation and.hopelessness, I began crying and laughing maniacally at the same time. See, they'd done it after all....they'd turned the ol boy into a nutter. What genius! I didnt know who "they" were at the time...but I tipped my hat nonetheless. I was forced to compose myself quickly...my Dad was coming upstairs...didnt want to confirm any of his theories..

[Mike]

Not about me so much...not a sympathy plea...just trying to illustrate a day in the life of a very sick person in a very rigged system..

I'm sure.many out there.can.relate

[Frenchy]

Thanks Mike, and no, no-one here would think of this as ' " sympathy plea " :- )
Yes, they've been working on this for millions of years, and every 3 657 years or so, along comes their planet, to set everything back to zero :-(( I know Marshall Masters (YOWUSA ) does not put a date on it, but from my research, sure looks like Sept 2017, there'll be no hiding it !

You can be sure your story is far from unique, their evil has permeated every walk of life, and as we see, the Police are too, being affected , by combination of NLP, their new radio frequencies, ( I forget which system, ) being turned into moron-types.

Not their fault either, how could they realise what is being done to them ?

So Glad you are stil able to buy Homeopathic remedies, stock up while we can ! ! Be Brave, Be Confident, and draw upon all that Celestial Strength within :-)

[onawah]

Mike, at least now we have some satisfaction from knowing what the causes are and also some of the cures, as well as who and why and where.
The battle is far from over.

[Mike]

Posted by Frenchy (here)
Thanks Mike, and no, no-one here would think of this as ' " sympathy plea " :- )
Yes, they've been working on this for millions of years, and every 3 657 years or so, along comes their planet, to set everything back to zero :-(( I know Marshall Masters (YOWUSA ) does not put a date on it, but from my research, sure looks like Sept 2017, there'll be no hiding it !

You can be sure your story is far from unique, their evil has permeated every walk of life, and as we see, the Police are too, being affected , by combination of NLP, their new radio frequencies, ( I forget which system, ) being turned into moron-types.

Not their fault either, how could they realise what is being done to them ?

So Glad you are stil able to buy Homeopathic remedies, stock up while we can ! ! Be Brave, Be Confident, and draw upon all that Celestial Strength within :-)

So true...I felt like I was being check mated by thousands of years of planning and implementation. Heck, I almost respected it in a weird, almost backwards way thanks for your warmth and encouragement! Doing much better these days, I'm happy to report.

[Mike]

Posted by onawah (here)
Mike, at least now we have some satisfaction from knowing what the causes are and also some of the cures, as well as who and why and where.
The battle is far from over.

Indeed!

Nat it was your story that included all your health issues that inspired me the most! I just have worlds of respect for you.

Yes, we've come a long way. What a journey. As Jim Morrison once said "this is the strangest life ive ever known..."

[onawah]

Back atcha Mike!
A long way yet to go, but we'll get there....
It's just a matter of never giving up, and after awhile, that becomes second nature.

[raregem]

Mike- What a compelling story...and, yes I can relate... You brought the point home so well. Thank you for sharing your complete "picture". I wished I could write like that..do you have more you care to share?

[sandy]

Knowing and Being vulnerable takes strength and courage and with a backbone like that, you will THRIVE.......keep on truckin'

[poetbil]

Dear friend Mike ,the way you express your problem indicates that you gonna find a solution a n y w a y !
Try please finding your Ayurveda type, and follow diet and your relation to cold - hot environment and food habits
That worked for me to gain some (significant) control over it
A y u r v e d a is quick enough to get over imbalance issues

[RunningDeer]

Those damn catch-22's, Mike… This may not be new information for you, much of it was for myself.

Paul’s video and info on Mitochondrial Dysfunction is an eye-opener and informative, and here are the notes I took from the video.

You mentioned q10. If it’s the same as CoQ10, I learned that if you are over 25, your body becomes increasingly challenged to convert the oxidized CoQ10 to ubiquinol. Too, you may want to consider Magnesium L-Threonate. (added below)

There’s a chapter on mitochondrial disease in “Life - The Epic Story of Our Mitochondria,” by Know ND, Lee. Here’s a 4 minute video that introduces the book and gives 3 tips.

Life: The Epic Story Of Our Mitochondria - Dr. Lee Know

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WqEORESe-ag

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CoQ10 versus Ubiquinol – What You Need to Know

If you're under 25 years old, your body is capable of converting CoQ10 to the reduced form fairly well and the additional expense of purchasing the reduced form is unnecessary. However, if you're older, your body becomes increasingly challenged to convert the oxidized CoQ10 to ubiquinol.


Other notes:

Ubiquinol is a reduced form of CoQ10 & is easier to assimilate if one is over 35 years old.

The Mercola Advanced Nutrition CoQ10 and ubiquinol supplements can help you in many different ways to complement your healthy diet and energize your life.

See article for details under the bullet points:

• Help you produce more energy for your cells
• Boost your heart health
• Act as an antioxidant to help protect you from free radicals
• Help you reduce the signs of normal aging
• Help you maintain blood pressure levels within the normal range
• Provide a boost to your immune system
• Support your nervous system

Magnesium L-Threonate

Magnesium L-Threonate - "Up to 80% of Americans are Not Getting Enough of this Essential Nutrient. Where Do You Stand?”

"One nutrient that comes to mind – one you probably don’t hear much about is magnesium."

"This should give you a pretty good picture why I believe magnesium is so important. And the number of Americans potentially not getting enough of this mineral is estimated as high as 80%. That’s a pretty staggering number."

Here are some key facts about this vital mineral and why I feel it's so important for you not to overlook. Magnesium…

• Is the fourth most abundant mineral in your body...
• Exists in over 300 different bodily enzymes...
• Is found primarily in your bones (50% of total body magnesium)...
• Plays a role in your body’s detoxification processes...*
• Aids your energy metabolism and protein synthesis...*
• Helps guide a large number of physiological functions...*
• Is required by glutathione (the 'master antioxidant') for synthesis...*

Dr. Mercola Discusses the Benefits of Magnesium

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NwFgLH-bpW4

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[onawah]

I read recently that glyphosate in Monsanto's Roundup prevents the body from absorbing magnesium ( other nutrients as well) through the digestive tract, which is why so many people are benefiting from absorbing magnesium topically instead.
I found a very economical way to do that here:
http://blogs.naturalnews.com/magnesi...um-deficiency/
I purchase magnesium flakes (I get them here:http://www.vitacost.com/life-flo-pur...lakes-2-75-lbs ) and make my own magnesium oil.
If you apply it directly to your skin, it's very itchy, but you can get around that by applying a layer of coconut oil or shea butter (I use a combination) first, and then a liberal coating of the magnesium oil. I am doing this a couple of times a week to most of my body except my face.
It feels amazing!


How to Make and Use Magnesium Oil to Combat Magnesium Deficiency
Magnesium Oil Recipe
1/2 cup filtered water
1/2 cup magnesium chloride flakes
Bring water to a boil in a saucepan, turn off the heat and stir in the magnesium chloride flakes until dissolved.
Let it cool and pour into a spray bottle to use when needed.

After applying magnesium oil on your skin, do not take a shower inside half an hour, make sure it is absorbed well into the skin.

[kirolak]

What a sad indictment on us all that we should have to PAY for the "privilege" of health, recovering from illness. . . . When I take over this corner of the universe, no one will have to pay for ANYTHING. . . starting with medicines, loo paper, water, electricity. ..

[Mike]

Paula, thanks for all that wonderful info! I have alot of respect for Mercola.

These days I take ubiquinone and ubiquinol...i.find one works best for the heart, and the other the brain. Can't recall offhand which is which. I stopped caring about the details long ago...all that matters to me now is that the stuff works!

Ive never really known what form of magnesium to take. Currently I take mag glycinate, with NT factor. The nt factor supposedly increases mito function by improving the integrity of the cell wall. I'm not so sure...I don't notice any difference between that and just regular old mag. Who knows?

But when combined with carnitine and ribose, it's super invigorating

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Posted by kirolak (here)
What a sad indictment on us all that we should have to PAY for the "privilege" of health, recovering from illness. . . . When I take over this corner of the universe, no one will have to pay for ANYTHING. . . starting with medicines, loo paper, water, electricity. ..

Hey I like where your heads' at!

Kirolak for president!

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Mike (here)
Ive never really known what form of magnesium to take. Currently I take mag glycinate, with NT factor. The nt factor supposedly increases mito function by improving the integrity of the cell wall. I'm not so sure...I don't notice any difference between that and just regular old mag. Who knows?

Welcome, Mike. I researched three and half of the four links Paul provided on the calcium magnesium balance.

I’m using a product that promotes an alkaline environment called pHour Salts™. It contains four ingredient one of which is magnesium carbonate. It's no surprised that it's good for heartburn, too. (Arm and Hammer )

Snippet from Paul’s post (bold emphasis is mine):

...pHour Salts™ ingredients, as you list them in a later post and as pHour Salts lists them on their own page, that their magnesium and calcium salts are with chloride, not with carbonate. The chloride forms of magnesium and calcium are quite available to the body.

[DNA]

Hi Mike


So, have you read the 100% Pure Gum Turpentine & Kerosene - Kill deadly Candida, leave healthy bacteria alone! thread? It's pretty freaking good. It definitely got me to thinking.


Paul posted this link and I really recommend reading the information. The Candida Cleaner - Dr. Jennifer Daniels


The idea being that candida the nasty fungus which thrives on the food that we are all kind of habituated to partake of, and by that I mean sugar, carbs, carbequed sugar and sugarcubed carbs. This nasty fungus which becomes a problem in the gut and instestines. Especially the large intestines, where it covers the linings and has first choice of over all the vitamins/minerals and energy that should be absorbed there.


Here is a post by Eligos on the turp thread. I can't tell you how many times I passed that thread up thinking to myself, "man that is cray cray, turpentine will kill you". But as we all know a little bad can sometimes do a lot of good.
If you check out the Paul link above it is explained how this "cure all" was used quite a bit by folks before the turn of the 20th century. Folks would often just use it twice a year regardless if they were sick or not.


But the main deal is killing the candida in your large intestine while doing little to no damage to the rest of your body.


I just got on Amazon and ordered mine like 20 minutes ago. It takes a week to arrive being as it can't be flown during shipping because it is a flammable.


Again this Eligos post reminded me so much of what you were saying I included it.
Have a good one.
And I hope things get better.

Posted by Eligos (here)
August 11, 2013 after careful study, I decided to start taking Turpentine for my chronic infection of Candida.
In the past I had tried Garlic, Caprylic Acid, Coconut oil, MMS, iodine, Ionic Silver (made myself) etc...the list goes on. I tried them in combo and by themselves. I gave them a fair shake to be really sure. The Candida symptoms would eventually always come back once I would stray from the Candida Diet (essentially the Atkins Diet). As most of us, at a young age I was brought in to the dentist (we had insurance) he filled me up with 8 silver fillings that we know has 50% mercury. Chronic fatigue kicked in around age 35. When you feel tired all the time, people want to help you so they say, "you should join the gym, get some exercise " that will give you more energy. Little do they know that it will just make things worse. When you don't follow their advice, they label you as a lazy person with no discipline and determination.
When you have 8 metal fillings in your mouth, have used antibiotics several times at age 18 for different infections (partially caused by the weakening of your immune system by Mercury) the yeast in your body or the Candida species very often will proliferate and become blood born.
The yeast will start controlling your immune and hormonal functions. It does that by releasing messengers in your blood. You will also start to crave carbs, the yeast thrive on this for survival. It goes on and on.
After some years of this, your immune system is weakened, you're tired all the time, the constant infection in your blood causes your adrenals to get really tired that in turn makes you take stimulants i.e. coffee. Do that for a while and now you're hypothyroid. Since MD's don't know what you have, by design I think, they put you on Syntroid and antidepressants (you look depressed and tired all the time).
Years go on and on and you just feel like you are crazy...I digress...
So to come back to the beginning, I took all the antifungals in combination, did rotations because yeast will adapt to your attacks. A lot of these attacks are in the form of oxidation (MMS for example) yeast has the ability to produce on demand antioxidants to counter your attack. They are very resilient little buggers.
For the mercury I purchased EDTA suppositories combined this with cilantro ,MSM, Chlorella and iodine over a period of 1 year to chelate as much of this mercury out of my body and my brain tissues.
As of August 11, 2013 I started taking pure Turpentine, 1tsp/day at bedtime. It has been 6.5 weeks now and it's going well. I had my mother do it too, she has Candida also and she is doing well too. Her blood pressure within a week went down from 135/85 to 121/78 . She can't believe it would have an effect on her blood pressure. Turpentine has a positive effect on peripheral blood circulation.
I hope it gives a ray of hope to those of you that are suffering in silence.
My experiment is not over, it is just beginning. In one week I will start reducing my dose to 1/2 a tsp/day. I will see how it goes.
Please do your own research and own this. Make up your own minds and figure out what YOU need. My dosage is not necessarily what you should use.

Here is a very informative paper on Turpentine:

http://www.researchgate.net/publicat...ff4546ef29.pdf

[DNA]

Also and I will use the words of Bill Ryan to illustrate my point here.
I'm of the opinion that almost all food is pretty much made and sold with the intent to kill and or diminish us.


Most supermarkets have an organic choice now, and even if you eat out there are a few places that care and use Non-gmo ingredients like Pita Jungle, Chipotle's and Whole Foods.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Hawkwind (here)

Unless, of course, the objective of the people who own the media was to kill off most of the people on the planet.

I think I've posted about this before, but back in 2011-12 I was standing in a supermarket in Ecuador (quite a large, modern one, with a lot of American-style junk food in it) — and I had quite a profound, direct experience. I realized, with total certainty, that they were trying to kill us.

That wasn't new information, of course, but the WAY I received this was unusual and unique.

I suddenly felt I was standing in their shoes, and directly felt the hatred and revulsion they feel towards the 'useless eaters'. Their viewpoint was like trying to handle an infestation of rats in a large building. It was exactly like that.

It lasted a couple of minutes, and then faded away. I was left thinking: "OMG. This is EXACTLY how they see us." It was cold, calculating, contempt, combined with a determination to deal with the problem. I've never forgotten it... a very valuable experience.

[RunningDeer]

At first glance, this detox info may seem off topic. It's not only what we put into our bodies by way of foods, supplements, sun and nature but it's what we remove as well. Which in turn allow the foods, phytonutrients, etc for continued health, healing, prevention and IMO most important for the quality of life.

I haven’t tried the Pure Gum Turpentine & Kerosene, but I did both the Hydrogen Peroxide and Liver detox/liver flush therapies. This was a post I added yesterday as a quick intro to the hydrogen peroxide effects/preventions:

Another health maintenance thread: My experience of taking Hydrogen Peroxide 35% food grade, diluted in water

Snippet from post:

…“True Power of Hydrogen Peroxide: Miracle Path to Wellness,” by Mary Wright. (2014 Edition) Her protocol is different than in the OP.

The 144 page book came with 1 Quart 35% Food Grade H2o2, and an amber glass dropper bottle @ PureHealthDiscounts.com.

And from this site:

The Many Benefits of Hydrogen Peroxide, by Dr. David G. Williams

Several of the most common ailments now affecting our population are directly related to oxygen starvation. Asthma, emphysema, lung disease, constipation, diarrhea, intestinal parasites, bowel cancer, periodontal disease. Cancer of all forms continues to increase. Immune system disorders are sweeping the globe: chronic fatigue, "Yuppie Flu" and hundreds of other strange viral diseases.


The following is only a partial listing of conditions in which H202 therapy has been used successfully.



• Allergies
• 
Headaches
• 
Altitude Sickness

• Herpes Simplex

• Alzheimer's

• Herpes Zoster

• Anemia
• 
HIV Infection
• 
Arrhythmia
• 
Influenza

• Asthma

• Insect Bites

• Bacterial Infections
• 
Liver Cirrhosis

• Bronchitis
• 
Lupus
• 
Erythematosis

• Cancer
• 
Multiple Sclerosis
• 
Candida

• Parasitic Infections
• 
Cardiovascular Disease
• 
Parkinsonism

• Cerebral Vascular Disease
• 
Periodontal Disease
• 
Chronic Pain

• Prostatitis

• Diabetes Type 11
• 
Rheumatoid Arthritis
• 
Diabetic

• Gangrene

• Shingles
• 
Diabetic

• Retinopahty

• Sinusitis
• 
Digestion Problems
• 
Sore Throat

• Epstein-Barr
• 
Infection

• Ulcers

• Emphysema

• Viral Infections
• 
Food Allergies
• 
Warts

• Fungal Infections
• 
Yeast Infections
• 
Gingivitis

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[Mike]

Hey DNA,

I always assumed my gut was ok somehow...but hell, maybe it isnt. I'll check out that link when I get home from work. Very interesting stuff. Whats the point of takiing all this stuff if i'm not digesting it properly?....thanks!

@PAULA, ive done hydrogen peroxide therapy on n off for years....and have the slightly deformed finger skin to prove it(very clumsy. Spillings)

In the beginning I didnt dilute properly and burnt my throat slightly. For about 3 months anything over a hoarse whisper made me cough spasmodically. Boy I was an idiot.

However, during certain parts of my illness it was very helpful....and it is no doubt the most powerful oxygen therapy out there(ive tried them all!)

These days, when I do use it, I use the mountain berry flavored "oxylife" brand....so much more pleasant than regular ol drops in water. One nice tasting ounce is the equivalent of 25 drops of regular hydrogen peroxide 35%(so says the label). The stuff also has colloidal silver and aloe vera in it. Its advertised as "stabilized oxygen"

[Dennis Leahy]

Yeah, the gut connection...

I have various immune system problems, and when I visited with a young vascular surgeon (just before I let him burn away my greater saphenous vein in one leg), and told him I had been battling with IBS for nearly 2 decades, he said it was quite possible that my poor gut health led to the vein (and clotting) problems. I'm not sure if that made me get any more serious about gut health (I'm pretty serious about it already), but it did underscore the holistic aspect as opposed to thinking of separate bodily systems.