A Soul Cannot Be Captured

[Mike]

*We must alert Paula asap that her account has been hijacked and that some very lovely woman has posted a pic of herself that resembles a young and beautiful Linda Kozlowski from the Crocodile Dundee movies*

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Mike (here)
*We must alert Paula asap that her account has been hijacked and that some very lovely woman has posted a pic of herself that resembles a young and beautiful Linda Kozlowski from the Crocodile Dundee movies*

Blushing but appreciative, Mike….

It was a toss up between that and this. I blur and fade them so no one sees the added years. My fear is someday, I’ll run into someone that’ll say, “Pardon me for staring but you look like an older version of that RunningDeer @ Project Avalon.”

[Hym]

I do agree about your new pic, RD.
Since some of us are here to capture the essence of our own soul and bring it into our present awareness, so that we may enjoy the many souls we encounter in this lifetime, it is interesting to see how we see each other thru our pictures.

Here is a clue about something I have done for years when I see a picture of anyone, especially someone with such a strong, loving presence as our Running Dear.

Cover up one side of the face and remember the impression of the side you see.
Cover up the other side and soak in the side now revealed. Remember this too.
Now notice the difference. Does that tell you anything about the image you see?

[raregem]

lol Mike...cute...
Running Dear(oops..DEER) I like your latest photo. Am I seeing things or is there a face/entity on the left side bangs ? I thought I was seeing a miniature version of you....at first.
Re: Souls captured?
I wonder still at the possibility considering a human can have their memories transferred to another being or clone.. I think this is correct but I wonder.... Is the soul captured at this point, as well?
We "'sell" our souls in return our dreams are fulfilled. This is completed through the dark arts and their "god". Is the soul really captured at this point?

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Hym (here)
I do agree about your new pic, RD.
Since some of us are here to capture the essence of our own soul and bring it into our present awareness, so that we may enjoy the many souls we encounter in this lifetime, it is interesting to see how we see each other thru our pictures.

Here is a clue about something I have done for years when I see a picture of anyone, especially someone with such a strong, loving presence as our Running Dear.

Cover up one side of the face and remember the impression of the side you see.
Cover up the other side and soak in the side now revealed. Remember this too.
Now notice the difference. Does that tell you anything about the image you see?

Thank you, Hym {insert blushing smilie here}

I tried the exercise. It’s hard to be objective.
What I see is an asymmetrical face.
One eye larger than the other.
An ET.

Posted by raregem (here)
lol Mike...cute...
Running Dear(oops..DEER) I like your latest photo. Am I seeing things or is there a face/entity on the left side bangs ? I thought I was seeing a miniature version of you....at first.

Thank you, rare gem. Funny you said that about the ET. Before I read yours, I posted that I look like an ET in that picture. What you see on the side is a busy print shower curtain.

[Mike]

Paula thats why I have Bukowski as my avatar....it subconsciously creates low expectations(even tho most people are clear that its not me)...so if I were to be seen, no matter how bad I look, it will exceed expectations(yes, clever..I know)

But I have had people pm me to ask if thats really me. Ive had other people pm me to ask me politely to change my avatar....they found Buk *that* revolting. Call me crazy, but I actually think he's kinda handsome in an unconventional humphrey bogart/ jack nicholson kinda way..

Hym, I find one side of Paula's face to be open and enthusiastic and caring...and the other to be discerning, slightly skeptical, and not to be trifled with.

Anyhoo, back on topic

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Mike (here)
Paula thats why I have Bukowski as my avatar....it subconsciously creates low expectations(even tho most people are clear that its not me)...so if I were to be seen, no matter how bad I look, it will exceed expectations(yes, clever..I know)

But I have had people pm me to ask if thats really me. Ive had other people pm me to ask me politely to change my avatar....they found Buk *that* revolting. Call me crazy, but I actually think he's kinda handsome in an unconventional humphrey bogart/ jack nicholson kinda way..

Hym, I find one side of Paula's face to be open and enthusiastic and caring...and the other to be discerning, slightly skeptical, and not to be trifled with.

Anyhoo, back on topic

I think your avatar pic is handsome. Weathered...in a lived a lotta life, kinda way. Your perception's pretty darn, darn, darn close.

I send out my apologies to you, DNA and the other thread posters here. Blame Mike. He stared it. Feel free to delete my posts.

[Hym]

Hey, Running Dear. (yes Dear, per my discretion and outlook of you, if you don't mind..) Your earlier avatar is more revealing and shows a more open right eye, left to us, which shows your present outlook, your outward projection. The left shows the seriousness of the past, the intensity and the travels.

Your present picture changes that. I don't hold onto that either way and choose to see others much more openly than merely a picture. If your new avatar shows your present outlook, without revealing such asymmetry as your previous one, it is a very healthy projection.

Mike, I thought we were totally on topic. Your evaluation of the difference in the sides of her face were interesting and insightful.
I like the pic of Bukky, BukO, too and I also do the low expectations thing myself, saying I'm smaller and fatter and more beastly than I really am.

[Mike]

I must admit here: the topic of soul capture triggers an emotional response from me.

I get irritated when people suggest its possible...

..no doubt it interferes with any objectivity I may have had coming in..

I don't know why I have that response. Maybe its because I just dont wanna believe it.

Theres another part of me that is just exasperated. It sorta thinks: are we going to take the conspiracy bit *that* far??? Can't we please stop somewhere? Arent there *any* certainties??? Is nothing holy anymore?

As humans we all need a point of relativity...a rock, so to speak. For some people its religion. For some its this...others that. Without this point, we just kind of flail in the wind....or at least I do..

..I need SOMETHING to grab on to...

I prefer to think a soul can't be captured. It's something I choose to believe because of a) all the anecdotal evidence and b) to believe otherwise might launch me into an existential crisis...

It's my point of relativity. My rock. And from this angle I see things a certain way. Tilt the hologram just slightly one way or another and everything looks different..

If the soul can be captured, then God himself/herself must be vulnerable as well. If this is true, everything unravels for me..

In other words, it doesnt really serve me in any way to hold that thought...so I don't.

[Hym]

I hope this is not too offensive, offensive to having a little bit of fun with some friends, but maybe a bit back on topic....

It is common to many native cultures to not allow a picture to be taken of the body while it is alive, as a means of protecting the soul from being captured. I am aware of some truth in this, amongst the higher possibility that the belief is based on an ancient manipulation of sorts, because of all I have seen in the practice of radionics and the quantum reality as a means of explaining the dynamics of one soul looking out into the world capturing the essence of those energies it sees. "Seeing" as being in control of the re-creation and validation of an object in the movement of the now.

There does seem to be an electromagnetic component to the machinery that attempts to do that which should never be contemplated, in a universe where humans and other sentient beings reside. Whether or not one views this earthly living as a complex hologram or an infinite, timeless space, it is at times like this that we are aware that one singular individual as an archetype of the whole can affect the course of an entire world. This is why many of us rebel against the mere idea of soul capture. Just the thought of it should tell us volumes about the nature of the realities we spend some time and place in.

If this is true, the existence of this cold machinery capable of removing even the memory of love, how does anyone take on the task of removing it for the safety of future generations? This existential angst is removed when the mere thought of the soul's existence affirms itself, creating the base line for a meaningful life.

Be yourself and know that you have a right, until you take it away from yourself, to freely express your soul's beauty.

Alluding to an earlier focus of this thread, understanding the sacral energetic system, sacral being akin to sacred, and the experience of removing desire and controlling the autonomic nervous system at the same time gives an automatic and transcendent freedom to explore the dimensions of the soul, in and out of time. Somewhere this was taught openly, in a place where sensation and organic immersion existed at the same time as the quantum reality of travel, inter-spatial journeys.

[greybeard]

Honestly if you believe in an omnipotent omnipresent "God" where is the concern?
Anything that comes from fear is not real-is not of God according to ACIM (A Course in Miracles)

The human psyche appears to have a need to believe in the scary.
As children we are fed on "Little red riding hoods big bad wolf" and similar.
I used to have nightmares relevant to these stories at an early age---they seemed very real.

So why propagate stories about soul capture?
In who's interest is it to keep the human race in fear?
Is fear not one of the best tools of control?
People will do things out of fear that goes well beyond the bounds of "normal" behaviour.
Wars are fought out of fear.
So if you want to go to war/justify the expense of producing weapons of mass destruction, for our defence of course, then keep the population in fear anyway you can.
We have enough to contend with in the here and now without having stories about what negative things can/may happen after the death of the body.

chris

[DNA]

Posted by Mike (here)
I must admit here: the topic of soul capture triggers an emotional response from me.


I get irritated when people suggest its possible...

I hear you, myself as well. As a matter of fact, this thread was originally named "A Soul Can Not Be Captured". I'm not sure why Bill felt the need to change the name. I've never had a thread name changed before this. I understand that the name of the thread runs contrary to Bill's own views on the subject. It may be that seeing a contrary opinion on the matter irritates him as much as the reverse does our selves.
Upon reflection, I would like to see the name of the thread go back to it's original. I'm going to message the mod team and see what happens. It doesn't hurt to ask.

Back to the topic.

I don't mind discussing the issue. And in fact I invite dialogue on the matter, because I'm of the opinion that there is a parasitic dark mafia out there if you will, of soul syphoning grease trap dwelling entities that exist for the sole purpose of taking that which is not theirs.
The problem there in lies with our limited conception of what is going on, and in a loaded vocabulary filled with false complete definitions of certain words.
I've never had a decent discourse with anyone on this forum in so far as it relates to the subtle energy bodies associated with our soul and body.
I've brought this up numerous times.
It was my main thrust in the opening of this thread.
And yet I've never had a dialogue on the subject with anyone wishing clarification on the matter or wishing to add something to the matter.
As for myself, it is so obvious that this is the case, I'm in awe that no one wishes to further this line of thinking.
I've said it before and I will say it again, the confusion over this whole question lies in the mortality of those energy bodies and the immortality of the soul.
For more on this see the opening of this thread.

Posted by Mike (here)
..no doubt it interferes with any objectivity I may have had coming in..

I don't know why I have that response. Maybe its because I just dont wanna believe it.

I think your instincts are good. It makes life and the world as dark and as meaningless as can be. I believe the process of true learning is cutting away the lies we have been conned into believing since we were born.
When that happens, we begin to realize that the truth was always accessible and available.

Posted by Mike (here)
Theres another part of me that is just exasperated. It sorta thinks: are we going to take the conspiracy bit *that* far??? Can't we please stop somewhere? Arent there *any* certainties??? Is nothing holy anymore?

As humans we all need a point of relativity...a rock, so to speak.

I absolutely agree here as well. And I think there are other topics here that bring up a similar feeling. For years I couldn't believe or expose myself to all of the MKULTRA stuff. I mean when you start to really go down the rabbit hole it's disturbing on so many levels.

Posted by Mike (here)
For some people its religion. For some its this...others that. Without this point, we just kind of flail in the wind....or at least I do..

..I need SOMETHING to grab on to...

I prefer to think a soul can't be captured. It's something I choose to believe because of a) all the anecdotal evidence and b) to believe otherwise might launch me into an existential crisis...

It's my point of relativity. My rock. And from this angle I see things a certain way. Tilt the hologram just slightly one way or another and everything looks different..

If the soul can be captured, then God himself/herself must be vulnerable as well. If this is true, everything unravels for me..

In other words, it doesnt really serve me in any way to hold that thought...so I don't.

Amen

[Hervé]

Posted by DNA (here)
[...]
... this thread was originally named "A Soul Can Not Be Captured". I'm not sure why Bill felt the need to change the name....
[...]

See post # 14

[seah]

All great additions to thread, thanks, RunningDeer. Additionally, regarding Lear's statements and retraction, we have good indication that his change in pov is actually disinformation/misinformation. It may have been around 2011 that he went public with a revamped message, “I try to live with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed”, which is fine in and of itself, but he was on GLP daily adding other odds and ends that were suspect, such as this "As to what caused me to change my mind on the 'light' was sleepers ...", but of course, he's a self professed "nutbag", so don't take him too seriously, is his message.

[seah]

Posted by Hym (here)
I hope this is not too offensive, offensive to having a little bit of fun with some friends, but maybe a bit back on topic....

It is common to many native cultures to not allow a picture to be taken of the body while it is alive, as a means of protecting the soul from being captured. I am aware of some truth in this, amongst the higher possibility that the belief is based on an ancient manipulation of sorts, because of all I have seen in the practice of radionics and the quantum reality as a means of explaining the dynamics of one soul looking out into the world capturing the essence of those energies it sees. "Seeing" as being in control of the re-creation and validation of an object in the movement of the now.

There does seem to be an electromagnetic component to the machinery that attempts to do that which should never be contemplated, in a universe where humans and other sentient beings reside. Whether or not one views this earthly living as a complex hologram or an infinite, timeless space, it is at times like this that we are aware that one singular individual as an archetype of the whole can affect the course of an entire world. This is why many of us rebel against the mere idea of soul capture. Just the thought of it should tell us volumes about the nature of the realities we spend some time and place in.

If this is true, the existence of this cold machinery capable of removing even the memory of love, how does anyone take on the task of removing it for the safety of future generations? This existential angst is removed when the mere thought of the soul's existence affirms itself, creating the base line for a meaningful life.

Be yourself and know that you have a right, until you take it away from yourself, to freely express your soul's beauty.

Alluding to an earlier focus of this thread, understanding the sacral energetic system, sacral being akin to sacred, and the experience of removing desire and controlling the autonomic nervous system at the same time gives an automatic and transcendent freedom to explore the dimensions of the soul, in and out of time. Somewhere this was taught openly, in a place where sensation and organic immersion existed at the same time as the quantum reality of travel, inter-spatial journeys.

your post brought up a memory that I had totally forgotten. It seems I was born with an inexplicable phobia of cameras, as a child I refused to have my picture taken, so most of my youngest pictures are of me attempting to run from being 'captured' by camera or hiding my face. The phobia begun to subside around age six.

[seah]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Honestly if you believe in an omnipotent omnipresent "God" where is the concern?
Anything that comes from fear is not real-is not of God according to ACIM (A Course in Miracles)

The human psyche appears to have a need to believe in the scary.
As children we are fed on "Little red riding hoods big bad wolf" and similar.
I used to have nightmares relevant to these stories at an early age---they seemed very real.

So why propagate stories about soul capture?
In who's interest is it to keep the human race in fear?
Is fear not one of the best tools of control?
People will do things out of fear that goes well beyond the bounds of "normal" behaviour.
Wars are fought out of fear.
So if you want to go to war/justify the expense of producing weapons of mass destruction, for our defence of course, then keep the population in fear anyway you can.
We have enough to contend with in the here and now without having stories about what negative things can/may happen after the death of the body.

chris

I hear you, but Chris, we "propagate" stories about end times and god, as an external entity and presidential candidates
as though the process had any validity.

I don't fear the light, now that I have the knowledge, I have power. Before knowledge, is when I lived in fear.

[greybeard]

Posted by seah (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Honestly if you believe in an omnipotent omnipresent "God" where is the concern?
Anything that comes from fear is not real-is not of God according to ACIM (A Course in Miracles)

The human psyche appears to have a need to believe in the scary.
As children we are fed on "Little red riding hoods big bad wolf" and similar.
I used to have nightmares relevant to these stories at an early age---they seemed very real.

So why propagate stories about soul capture?
In who's interest is it to keep the human race in fear?
Is fear not one of the best tools of control?
People will do things out of fear that goes well beyond the bounds of "normal" behaviour.
Wars are fought out of fear.
So if you want to go to war/justify the expense of producing weapons of mass destruction, for our defence of course, then keep the population in fear anyway you can.
We have enough to contend with in the here and now without having stories about what negative things can/may happen after the death of the body.

chris

I hear you, but Chris, we "propagate" stories about end times and god, as an external entity and presidential candidates
as though the process had any validity.

I don't fear the light, now that I have the knowledge, I have power. Before knowledge, is when I lived in fear.

Yes I agree--my God is Self---not external or separate in any way and in that knowledge there is freedom from fear.

Best wishes
Chris

[RunningDeer]

Switched out post with fresh air.

[Hervé]

I am fairly convinced that a soul can be "zombified" if not "captured" if only from that Ingo Swann adventure on the other side of the moon: an out of body Ingo got spotted and chased around... Gurdjieff also warned about that moon.

A key ingredient to fully comprehend and understand how such thing can happen is hypnosis and its use with which a human being - in or out of body - can be made to believe ANYTHING! ... even that the moon is made of green cheese or that the earth is flat.

I often refer to the "Third Man In The Room" experiment to demonstrate how anyone can be hypnotized and made to see or not see/perceive actual 3D physicality.

I also refer to the "Toilet Flushers" who - on cue - automatically behave a certain way and always that same way without fail! Imagine what a post-hypnotic command of "No-no-no: chemtrails don't exist!"... or "Souls cannot be captured! We re all free-will sovereign beings!" or "We lost the war and we are all captured and slaves forever and ever!" for that matter...

So the main question then boils down to: "Whose universe is a zombified soul living in?" Well that's the universe of the hypnotist where ET cannot perform abductions because they don't exist, see?! (Third Man in the Room)

Beings in the grip of someone else's universe can be very convincing:

Belief and the Powers of the Mind
Before my days at the monastery, I was attending a university (To make a long story short, I flunked high school, was expelled, supposedly had a genius I.Q., and ended up in college instead). In one of my classes, the professor gave a hypnosis demonstration. I witnessed people who were so well “hypnotized”, that when they were told that a burning cigar was being touched to the palm of their hand, blisters instantly appeared (even though only an unlit cigar was touched to their hand).

But as the years have gone by in my life, I have witnessed far more amazing and strange things. Believe it or not - it really doesn’t matter to me.

I have seen objects moved with thought. I’ve seen hand-to-hand combat, where no flesh ever made contact. I’ve seen bodies tossed about like rag dolls by energies invisible to the “normal” human eye. I’ve seen people with bad cuts stop bleeding by “thinking it so”. I’ve seen people stop their heart, and stop breathing, without dying. I’ve seen monks in the Himalayas, sit in the snow, in conditions that were so cold that as they were wrapped in wet blankets, the blankets froze around them.

After many layers of blankets were applied, the monks would visualize heat within themselves, radiating out. The blankets would defrost, and a circle of melted snow would appear around them. Their degree of mental accomplishment was measured by the size of the circle around them. And I’ve seen far more.

The “hypnosis demonstrations” in college, were mysterious and remarkable enough, but after witnessing the monks melting the ice, I asked Zain how such things were done. After having me read what was called “The Tibetan Treatise of Psychic Heat”, he began teaching me all the details of the power of the mind. It began with this discussion:

“Your beliefs control and affect the incredible powers of the mind, which dictate,
or influence, many things in your life...

Excerpted from: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ar...s-atlantis.pdf

... so may be there is something to this “Everyday in every way, I am getting better and better”

Anyway, many a researcher have warned about "screen/false/overlaid memories" (Turner, Bartholic, Lorgen, Bartley, Truman Cash, etc...)and so has this guy:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=O-JcZ5svvw0

Where he summarizes the whole operation with his "Three Pillars":

• It’s secretive/clandestine

• It’s global

• It’s inter-generational.

[Wind]

My body can be destroyed, my mind can be distorted. My Self is eternal and untouchable.