Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[betoobig]

I know it is more a problem of trying to understand. There is no need to understand, trying to understand is ego still, the seeker trap, personhood. It is al a matter of just ... Be!
I am
Me and my father are One
Much love

[Clear Light]

So as there is no thinker of thoughts, merely 'thoughts' arising, and as the nature of each one is 'emptiness' (without exception), when the mind has 'settled down' so-to-say, what can actually be asserted as unequivocally 'truthful' ? LOL

Who or what is it that desires to share suchlike anyway 'I' ask (ponder / reflect upon) ...

[joeecho]

It seems if 'something' cannot be defined in any shape or form it is deemed utterly nonexistent.

Religions step in to to fill the void. They are supposedly designed to lead people to 'God' but many, in that design, have lead them away.

Such is the life of the unfaithful.

I have walked these steps as well and many times still do. A well worn devious path. All that have walked have walked it.

[betoobig]

Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
So as there is no thinker of thoughts, merely 'thoughts' arising, and as the nature of each one is 'emptiness' (without exception), when the mind has 'settled down' so-to-say, what can actually be asserted as unequivocally 'truthful' ? LOL

Who or what is it that desires to share suchlike anyway 'I' ask (ponder / reflect upon) ...

It is far simple, your thoughts , your anger, your happiness have in common, they are yours... So do not denie any of them, accept them either good or bad, ego mesures/ judges if it is good or bad, and if bad tell them "i am sorry for what happened to you and i recognize your power"... And if good just welcome and enjoy, so you are perfect as you are....trueself, overself knows....only ego have doubts. Embraze and let it go, meaning " move forward" .... And chop wood and carry water!
Much love

[Clear Light]

Posted by betoobig (here)

Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
So as there is no thinker of thoughts, merely 'thoughts' arising, and as the nature of each one is 'emptiness' (without exception), when the mind has 'settled down' so-to-say, what can actually be asserted as unequivocally 'truthful' ? LOL

Who or what is it that desires to share suchlike anyway 'I' ask (ponder / reflect upon) ...

It is far simple, your thoughts , your anger, your happiness have in common, they are yours... So do not denie any of them, accept them either good or bad, ego mesures/ judges if it is good or bad, and if bad tell them "i am sorry for what happened to you and i recognize your power"... And if good just welcome and enjoy, so you are perfect as you are....trueself, overself knows....only ego have doubts. Embraze and let it go, meaning " move forward" .... And chop wood and carry water!
Much love

Ah, thank you very much Betoobig for the kind thoughts Much love indeed !

[betoobig]

Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)

Posted by betoobig (here)

Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
So as there is no thinker of thoughts, merely 'thoughts' arising, and as the nature of each one is 'emptiness' (without exception), when the mind has 'settled down' so-to-say, what can actually be asserted as unequivocally 'truthful' ? LOL

Who or what is it that desires to share suchlike anyway 'I' ask (ponder / reflect upon) ...

It is far simple, your thoughts , your anger, your happiness have in common, they are yours... So do not denie any of them, accept them either good or bad, ego mesures/ judges if it is good or bad, and if bad tell them "i am sorry for what happened to you and i recognize your power"... And if good just welcome and enjoy, so you are perfect as you are....trueself, overself knows....only ego have doubts. Embraze and let it go, meaning " move forward" .... And chop wood and carry water!
Much love

Ah, thank you very much Betoobig for the kind thoughts Much love indeed !

Love you too, your questions inspire me, thank you.
Juan

[ZooLife]

Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
Who or what is it that desires to share suchlike anyway 'I' ask (ponder / reflect upon) ...

That is an interesting thought of which I have had myself, Clear Blue Skies.

Upon some meditation, this comes to mind....

I think it is similar to the spiritual 'breaking of bread', each one receiving from the others what they need. One could go as far as to say that there is a breaking of bread occurring regularly on this thread. Sometimes the food is in shell, husk or pods but if one is patient, the tastiest ambrosia is inside.

Is it necessary? No, but what a fantastic experience!

[Clear Light]

What I am now learning to appreciate / become accustomed to is 'my' Awareness is exactly the same in the absence of thoughts as well as during the presence of them. Thoughts themselves are not an issue, it's whether or not one identifies with them eh ?

[joeecho]

I have had glimpses of what you speak of too, Clear Blue Skies. Its a bit like a last layer of the onion.

I and thought(s) are one. There is no identifying or not identifying. If it stopped identifying with them (thoughts), that would be what I identified with which would be a thought.

Thought is like an imaginary friend/ enemy. The friend/ enemy are one though this is the imaginary one.

To Awake from this, I cannot imagine what it would be like as that would be a thought.

In relationship to worldly affairs, being fully Awake doesn't exist though it is the only 'thing' that exists.

[greybeard]

Non Duality - Traditions (loaded 03 May 2016)
» Stephen Fulder - 'Awakening Arrives By Itself' - Interview by Iain McNay

Stephen Fulder - 'Awakening Arrives By Itself' - Interview by Iain McNay 'The spacious groundless sense of being needs to become part of our nature, to be familiar territory and then awakening arrives by itself. The ultimate cannot belong to anyone nor can there be someone who is awakened.' Stephen talks us through his spiritual journey and realisations. From realising that there was no fixed reality when he was a child to having his earlier insights confirmed when he took LSD in his 20s. He was drawn to India and the 'Mother Ganges' where he discovered the teachings of S.N. Goenka. Spent time on many retreats with Sayama and other Buddhist teachers such as Stephen Batchelor and Christopher Titmuss.

Formed the Israel Insight Society; distanced himself from Buddhism but fully embraced the teachings of the Buddha and still teaches around 15 retreats a year. Also works in the area of Palestinian/Israeli reconciliation. 'There is no way to peace, Peace is the way.' Can describe his lived experience with great precision and clarity; took part on a study which explored 3 stages:

Stage 1 - ordinary sense of self and boundary
Stage 2 - sense of dropping boundary to some extent
Stage 3 - dissolution

In this interview he explains these stages in detail.

All on the link below

http://www.conscious.tv/

[Clear Light]

Posted by greybeard (here)
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» Stephen Fulder - 'Awakening Arrives By Itself' - Interview by Iain McNay

[...]

Formed the Israel Insight Society; distanced himself from Buddhism but fully embraced the teachings of the Buddha and still teaches around 15 retreats a year. Also works in the area of Palestinian/Israeli reconciliation. 'There is no way to peace, Peace is the way.' Can describe his lived experience with great precision and clarity; took part on a study which explored 3 stages:

[...]

Hmmm, exactly how does one do that, the highlighted text I mean ?

No disrespect to anybody but that seems like a bit of an Oxymoron no ?

[GarethBKK]

Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
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» Stephen Fulder - 'Awakening Arrives By Itself' - Interview by Iain McNay

[...]

Formed the Israel Insight Society; distanced himself from Buddhism but fully embraced the teachings of the Buddha and still teaches around 15 retreats a year. Also works in the area of Palestinian/Israeli reconciliation. 'There is no way to peace, Peace is the way.' Can describe his lived experience with great precision and clarity; took part on a study which explored 3 stages:

[...]

Hmmm, exactly how does one do that, the highlighted text I mean ?

No disrespect to anybody but that seems like a bit of an Oxymoron no ?

No, since you ask :-) In the Buddha's own stories he said that spiritual teachers, or religions if you like, are boatmen to take you across to the other shore. Which boat you get on doesn't matter. Once you have reached the other shore, what need of the boatman?

It's similar to the well-known Zen saying: 'Fingers pointing at the moon'. At some stage, through experience, we can stop looking at the fingers pointing to the moon and look at the moon itself.

All learning points to experience. As experience develops the learning loses significance.

I live in a largely Buddhist country, and it's clear to see that most of its followers are purely devotional in their practice. Thus, Buddhism is seen as a religion with the end of suffering lying outside of self. Those that have been on the inward exploration to experience and remembered who they really are, have no interest in devotional religion.

[joeecho]

Posted by GarethBKK (here)
Those that have been on the inward exploration to experience and remembered who they really are, have no interest in devotional religion.

All is or can be devotional until one discovers where it leads or should I say, doesn't lead to.

Devotional ways do like to sneak their way back in even after discovery. Ego is relentless that way.

[greybeard]

Ego health warning.

No ego in its right mind will watch this video


There is only Awareness - A guided Meditation with Mooji.
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SUNDAY MEDITATION guided by Mooji

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9W1NxOIvMDk

[Clear Light]

Posted by GarethBKK (here)

Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Non Duality - Traditions (loaded 03 May 2016)
» Stephen Fulder - 'Awakening Arrives By Itself' - Interview by Iain McNay

[...]

Formed the Israel Insight Society; distanced himself from Buddhism but fully embraced the teachings of the Buddha and still teaches around 15 retreats a year. Also works in the area of Palestinian/Israeli reconciliation. 'There is no way to peace, Peace is the way.' Can describe his lived experience with great precision and clarity; took part on a study which explored 3 stages:

[...]

Hmmm, exactly how does one do that, the highlighted text I mean ?

No disrespect to anybody but that seems like a bit of an Oxymoron no ?

No, since you ask :-) In the Buddha's own stories he said that spiritual teachers, or religions if you like, are boatmen to take you across to the other shore. Which boat you get on doesn't matter. Once you have reached the other shore, what need of the boatman?

It's similar to the well-known Zen saying: 'Fingers pointing at the moon'. At some stage, through experience, we can stop looking at the fingers pointing to the moon and look at the moon itself.

All learning points to experience. As experience develops the learning loses significance.

I live in a largely Buddhist country, and it's clear to see that most of its followers are purely devotional in their practice. Thus, Buddhism is seen as a religion with the end of suffering lying outside of self. Those that have been on the inward exploration to experience and remembered who they really are, have no interest in devotional religion.

Thanks for that GarethBKK

Yeah, like, no so-called 'Ego' really wants to Contemplate its own Cessation eh ?

[greybeard]

The Challenge is that there are various levels of understanding or should I say miss understanding.

I could say truthfully Only "God" is, that's a real conversation stopper.

I think it is important to meet people where they stand.

Time being I appear to be in duality therefore it is helpful for the me to have teachings that get me through my day in good form--lol

Everyone who contributes on this thread has a good understanding of ultimate reality---some guests may or may not.
We are all where we are meant to be.
The totality brings everything about.

With love
Chris

[Enola]

"The moment you decide to walk the path of light, what seem to be very unfavourable situations begin to work in your favour. In fact, the forces you trigger by committing to this path gradually intervene to modify situations, and what should have harmed you comes little by little to place itself at your service."

Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov

[Clear Light]

Posted by Enola (here)
"The moment you decide to walk the path of light, what seem to be very unfavourable situations begin to work in your favour. In fact, the forces you trigger by committing to this path gradually intervene to modify situations, and what should have harmed you comes little by little to place itself at your service."

Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov

Oh, or perhaps, what seems to 'suffer' (have been 'harmed' somehow) is I believe nothing other than our mistaken identification with a conceptual 'self' where non truly 'exists' as such ... he says playfully

[Clear Light]

"Health is the greatest possession.
Contentment is the greatest treasure.
Confidence is the greatest friend.
Non-being is the greatest joy"

Dhammapada

^^^ How I'm 'feeling' today (subject to change of course lol)

[ZooLife]

Posted by betoobig (here)
Me and my father are One

In the sentence "Me and my father are" can be dispense with and is essentially for illustration purposes only.

ONE, there is no other. Of course the same applies to "there is no other" (Re: dispensed with and illustration purposes only)

ONE

Even the word 'ONE' can be dispense with and is essentially for illustration purposes only but then what would I do with this keyboard and my typing fingers?




(Blank space - illustration purposes only)

What do you think of my illustration or lack there of?