If karma exists, why does so much evil in the world go unchecked?

[Sean]

Real talk. In this world we live in, evil actions are routinely NOT punished. Karma has always been part of the equation, yes?

Why hasn't it worked?

[Megrubbieswet]

I think THEY ARE MAN.. You just dont see it and it doesn't happen instantanously, more bad more karmic debt people say. But i dont know, I think its course correction man. I dont think evil will go unchecked, eventually it'll come around to bite them man.. There's no way It cant..

[kirolak]

I don't think it goes unchecked, although perhaps it's not immediately apparent, or perhaps not apparent at all to an outside view. . . perhaps just the final wake up & realization of the horror one has caused IS the karmic retribution. . . .

[araucaria]

I have posted quite a bit on karma over the years, here are a few of my posts (you can do a search for the rest):
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1007578
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post966543
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post777362
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post773856
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post761412

[ZenBaller]

Karma has nothing to do with punishment. It is a system of identification with the ego where the law of cause and effect applies. It helps the universe to understand itself from all possible sides and realize through pain and eventual detachment, that all is one and there is no separate individual self.

[betoobig]

It is my believe that Karma is not fixed law but a tricked one.
Much love

[greybeard]

Karma is as real as you are. The question is.
How real are you as persona/body etc.?

In duality--what goes round comes round--all self regulating--so if you were a "bad" guy in a past life then the similar may befall you here and now--that you perpetrated back then.

Chris

[indigopete]

Good and evil are relative terms.

All the so called "good" in the world is not just a product of "good" in the past. It is a product of both the good and the evil of the past. Similary, a lot of "good" things have resulted in a great deal of "evil" being done. Good and evil are a judgement call of the day, nothing more - and not an even an absolute one at that. One person's good is another's evil.

Harmony and disharmony are better terms to use form an analytical perspective because at least they imply some degree of a reference framework which can then be specified. For example, if a rock band is rehearsing next door to a senior citizen's retreat you could say that they are in musical harmony with each other but social disharmony amongst the neighbourhood.

Karma does not distinguish between good and evil. It would not be doing its job if it did since those are subjective terms. Karma is simply "if I do this then that will happen". There are short term Karmic consequences of actions and long term consequences which may produce counter-intuitive results.

For example, I may decide to be a "very friendly guy" for the next 3 years, so I go around being very friendly to everyone and everyone is friendly to me in turn. So that gets interpreted at a superficial level as a "favourable karmic consequence" of my actions. But then one day something winds me up so much that I'm unable to process the intensity of negative feelings cos I gave all my power away for 3 years, so I go and kill someone axe-murderer style. Then I feel better.

So I unbalanced myself and karmic consequences rebalanced me - but at a cost to the society.

Karma is therefore the same force that teaches you to ride a bike without falling off every 3 seconds. Neither good nor evil, just always there answering back whenever we say "what happens if I do this".

[Megrubbieswet]

Posted by betoobig (here)
It is my believe that Karma is not fixed law but a tricked one.
Much love

Can you elaborate on this? It almost makes sense reading it.. I just need to get my fingers on it.

[ghostrider]

Because in all things, Creation seeks balance, good evil , hot cold, darkness light, strength weakness , yin and yang ... there must be those who win and those who lose, those who get punished and those who go unpunished ... thos see who do evil will reap the effects of their sowing , it just msy be in the next lifetime ... one lifetime you get away with it, and the next lifetime you dont ... yin and yang. .. one of the many reasons for reincarnation , so one can experience both sides of everything = balance in all things, then one day merging back with Creation from where all life came ...

[ozmirage]

I believe karma exists, and much suffering is related to the expunging of karmic obligations.

As to the notion that there is no absolute good or evil, I vehemently disagree.

If I may expound on it - - -

MORALITY SIMPLIFIED
=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=
The basis for all morality is survival.
Dead things have no morality.

There are two sets of laws:
• 1. Law of love, versus
• 2. Law of the jungle.

Under the law of love, harmless activity in support of one's "right to life" is moral / good. Harmful action is "bad".

Under the law of the jungle, predators are "good", and prey are "good to eat". Prey who fight back are "bad".

Natural law recognizes the "right to life" of lions, sharks, and other predators.

Humans who embrace jungle law are certainly law abiding - it’s just not what we wish for “civilization.”

So when we're misled to assume that there are no value systems - it's code for PREDATORS telling their prey to stop resisting.

• People who respect the person, liberty, and property of another are not a threat.
• People who prey upon the person, liberty, and property of another are a threat, no matter what ideology, race, or ethnicity they espouse or use to excuse their attacks.

Humans who embrace "the law of love" are opposed to predation (of other humans) as their means to secure their "right to life." (The law of love does not prohibit acts in self-defense. To surrender to predators is unmerciful to their next victim.)

• The highest expression of the law of love is self sacrifice for the benefit of another.
• The lowest expression of the law of the jungle is sacrificing others for one’s own benefit.

The question now becomes : which law do you embrace?
[] Jungle law or [] the law of love?

Does your subgroup of humanity embrace and protect predators or does it abhor and punish predators? Are you intolerant of predators and a defender of their prey or are you a defender of predators?

Morality is not "gray."
Choose your law and accept the consequences.
Tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.

[betoobig]

Posted by Megrubbieswet (here)

Posted by betoobig (here)
It is my believe that Karma is not fixed law but a tricked one.
Much love

Can you elaborate on this? It almost makes sense reading it.. I just need to get my fingers on it.

We live in a "farm planet", we are the cattle. Most of us have gone through many lives here on earth due to the reincarnation trap. Our farmers feed on our low vibrations, our drama. If karma were not tricked you would had have one drama live/ one good life. Not at all, we all had tons of drama, trauma, estress, pain, etc... In order to feed the farmers. So when you see a little kid dying of hunger or abused it is not becouse something he did on past live, and when something bad happens to you karma makes you think " i must have done something bad"
So karma is a tricked game.
If we think in terms of vibration then when you are high vibes you will atract high vibes events in your life, on the contrary if you go around on low vibes you will surround your self with low vibes events.
So vibration and correspondance is key.
Much love

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IMO

[bearcow]

evil and the suffering it induces is the cure for the average good persons ignorance

[sheme]

What I recognise as evil or wicked or destructive the perpetrator of "the deed" may not see it as such- therefore there is no guilt attached to the action- therefore no immediate negative consequence. However if a deed is done with true knowledge of negative outcome -the karma can be instantaneous.

[Wind]

Are you sure? You see things only from the perspective of this current life! We don't see the grander scheme here.
I wouldn't want to have the karma of the wrongdoers who will have to compensate for their actions in countless lifetimes to come.
What you sow you will eventually reap, that is the universal law.
As already said here before, it is the law of cause and effect. Every action causes ripples.
Most of us spiritual people have a calling to serve and heal.
Through selfless actions we heal this world and we are actually helping ourselves.
There is no separation, except in the mind of man.

[Sean]

Posted by ozmirage (here)
I believe karma exists, and much suffering is related to the expunging of karmic obligations.

As to the notion that there is no absolute good or evil, I vehemently disagree.

If I may expound on it - - -

MORALITY SIMPLIFIED
=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=\=
The basis for all morality is survival.
Dead things have no morality.

There are two sets of laws:
• 1. Law of love, versus
• 2. Law of the jungle.

Under the law of love, harmless activity in support of one's "right to life" is moral / good. Harmful action is "bad".

Under the law of the jungle, predators are "good", and prey are "good to eat". Prey who fight back are "bad".

Natural law recognizes the "right to life" of lions, sharks, and other predators.

Humans who embrace jungle law are certainly law abiding - it’s just not what we wish for “civilization.”

So when we're misled to assume that there are no value systems - it's code for PREDATORS telling their prey to stop resisting.

• People who respect the person, liberty, and property of another are not a threat.
• People who prey upon the person, liberty, and property of another are a threat, no matter what ideology, race, or ethnicity they espouse or use to excuse their attacks.

Humans who embrace "the law of love" are opposed to predation (of other humans) as their means to secure their "right to life." (The law of love does not prohibit acts in self-defense. To surrender to predators is unmerciful to their next victim.)

• The highest expression of the law of love is self sacrifice for the benefit of another.
• The lowest expression of the law of the jungle is sacrificing others for one’s own benefit.

The question now becomes : which law do you embrace?
[] Jungle law or [] the law of love?

Does your subgroup of humanity embrace and protect predators or does it abhor and punish predators? Are you intolerant of predators and a defender of their prey or are you a defender of predators?

Morality is not "gray."
Choose your law and accept the consequences.
Tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.

Bolded bit says quite a lot.

There are SO many people in the world who not only surrender to predators, but DEFEND THEM WHILE THEY'RE BEING EATEN, metaphorically speaking. I see this at my current survival job. we have a manager, who is rude, disrespectful, mean-spirited, retaliatory, an alcoholic(drinks on the job, this is bartending), and the most hypocritical person I've ever met. she's fired people for doing what SHE does regularly. this has been going on for years.

She just got a promotion.

Anyone who speaks out, or "goes to HR"..mysteriously finds themselves in trouble very soon after. I've seen people "set up" and fired for things they didn't actually do. Hell, it was tried on me(a barback, for some reason, decided to approach me while working and offer me drugs. in front of customers). It was so out of character for this person to do this..I suspect it was a "sting", because I had voiced some displeasure about mgmt myself.

It just got me thinking about how in both microcosm(mundane job-related stuff like this) and macrocosm(wars, control of humanity etc)that so much evil goes down, and rarely do we see justice. Humanity has been around a LONG time, Longer than we're told..there have been countless cycles of reincarnation, but, if anything, the amount of evil perpetrated feels like it's INCREASED.

why aren't people learning their lessons?

Edit: also, I've been in similar situations before(not quite as bad as this one), and, I always seem to be the only one who will speak up. It always ends up with me sacrificing myself, while others stand back and let the tree branch I'm on, crack under my feet. I always get messages after the fact thanking me for standing up.

none of the "thankers" seem much interested in helping me pay my rent, though

[Bassplayer1]

Hello Workingactor. I've often wondered the same thing. But something occurred to me. If everything is energy, then this must mean that karma is an energetic thing too? So if you commit low vibration acts, then it will keep your own vibration lower which is likely to mean that it takes you longer to ascend! Perhaps this may be a way that karma works. Its not about punishment in the sense that we understand, but actually means that the quality of our vibrational state/aura is a manifestation of the quality of our acts and so determines, energetically where the next part of our journey will be. This doesn't mean punishment in the form of being banished to a hellish state. But I guess it means a life that will challenge us to grow. Isn't it that energy attract energy of a similar vibe?

[binemaya]

Hey, betoobig, it´s my feeling too, that karma is just another programm, we are all one.
loving unconditionally is key.
maya

[betoobig]

Posted by binemaya (here)
Hey, betoobig, it´s my feeling too, that karma is just another programm, we are all one.
loving unconditionally is key.
maya

Unconditional love or unselfish Love?
Much love

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Thank you Maya.
Juan

[PathWalker]

Very simple answer. People who need karmatic balancing need to experience the balancing experience.
Hence a rapist in previous lifetime will be raped in another lifetime.
There are souls who need to take the "bad" role and deliver the karmatic balancing, these are called evil people.

The trick to release karmatic cycle is to forgive the self and the others.