Important announcement from Dr. Steven Greer...

[JoshuaM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPPzU-rqp4

[justntime2learn]

Posted by JoshuaM (here)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPPzU-rqp4

I believe that's already been posted in the past few days.

I've watched the video three times and it's so exciting if it comes to pass.

I believe dr. Greer is right about the near complete destruction of the biosphere.

Can you imagine zero point for everyone on Earth in nine months?

Wouldn't it be great if they pull the concert off in three months?

Complete disclosure without a 5 year roll out/spin off from the government.

Bill Ryan is confident Dr. Greer has made 3 non-truths so perhaps 3 things will not be disclosed for the better.

Many blessings and I will be keeping my eyes open!

Here is the video:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GlPPzU-rqp4

[NeedleThreader]

Not so sure what to make of this but I would love to know what Bill thinks are three non-truths of his...not in any challenging way whatsoever I'm just curious.

What does free energy mean to the human race? Will it end immeasurable suffering, or open up pandora's box like atlantis?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by NeedleThreader (here)

I would love to know what Bill thinks are three non-truths of his...

Greer has stated on record the following. All of the statements are false.

1. There are no ETs that don't have the human race's best interests at heart.
2. There are no ET abductions.
3. The US government has no current communication with any ET race.

For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.

[WhiteLove]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.

Bill, my gut feeling is that it is "and other reasons" that is the primary rationale, am I far from the truth? I am thinking that there must be something more to this...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg

[NeedleThreader]

Bill, thank you for clarifying, as I totally agree with you that he is wrong on every single one of those counts. It would be insanely naive to argue otherwise given everything else that we think we know.

However, is it possible that he could be naively wrong about these things and right about many others?

It is my strong assumption that Greer believes he is a bit of a chosen one because he has brought a lot of this area to public light, probably not having had a negative ET/ UFO encounter, he ASSUMES that they are all good and too advanced to be working with the gov't.

I am REALLY starting to ask myself VERY hard if I truly believe that there REALLY are ETs working with the gov't. They have got to be advanced beyond comprehension and I find it hard to believe that if they truly wanted something from the human race, they would not need permission or have to work hand- in-hand with any gov't. That would be like humans wanting to manipulate ant colonies on an island and 'siding' with one in particular to control the rest.

Greer has at least somehow lassoed this issue strongly enough to start really doing something that's tangible it seems.

My two cents.

[WhiteLove]

All have unique perspectives on this and when facts are weak and many questions are left unanswered, belief system collisions tend to sometimes create debate due to disagreements, because each party sees the other's views as part of the problem or simply just problematic in the quest to find the truth. Greer has a pretty amazing list of achievements when it comes to the UFO and disclosure topic. I would much rather be in a reality where Greer has realized disclosure and it turned out he was wrong on a whole range of things, than the community rejecting his views and no disclosure has happened. Because I really feel that we need to get to the bottom of the UFO/disclosure/free energy/SAP... topics, to get to the truth. I think that is a very important step towards peace on earth.

But it is obvious to me that Greer is extremely passionate about bringing disclosure to the people and I think that's great...! On that video where he asked for help from the people by donating to "THE DISCLOSURE EVENT", I put myself in his shoes. He was incredibly authentic, fair and truthful in that video I found. I thought, sure buddy, I'll help you.

[justntime2learn]

Posted by NeedleThreader (here)
Bill, thank you for clarifying, as I totally agree with you that he is wrong on every single one of those counts. It would be insanely naive to argue otherwise given everything else that we think we know.

However, is it possible that he could be naively wrong about these things and right about many others?

It is my strong assumption that Greer believes he is a bit of a chosen one because he has brought a lot of this area to public light, probably not having had a negative ET/ UFO encounter, he ASSUMES that they are all good and too advanced to be working with the gov't.

I am REALLY starting to ask myself VERY hard if I truly believe that there REALLY are ETs working with the gov't. They have got to be advanced beyond comprehension and I find it hard to believe that if they truly wanted something from the human race, they would not need permission or have to work hand- in-hand with any gov't. That would be like humans wanting to manipulate ant colonies on an island and 'siding' with one in particular to control the rest.

Greer has at least somehow lassoed this issue strongly enough to start really doing something that's tangible it seems.

My two cents.

I remember seeing a video with the honorable Paul T. Hellyer saying that there should be complete disclosure but added that there might be one or two things we wouldn't want to disclose publicly at first. If I remember which Paul Hellyer video it was I will edit this reply.

Perhaps Dr. Greer is intentionally or unintentionally holding back several facts ? What if he feels it would be too much for the public to accept complete disclosure & " There are no ETs that don't have the human race's best interests at heart.
There are no ET abductions.
The US government has no current communication with any ET race."

Is what Bill is saying in any way connected to what the honorable Paul T Hellyer feels the public isn't quite ready for?

This scenario may be out there but what if Dr. Greer was threatened by the government to never disclose Communications between the US government and extraterrestrials.

The possibilities are endless and so is my imagination

[Mike Gorman]

I find Greer's approach to be largely self-serving. His ego is far too much invested in being an ultimate authority, he claims to know these creatures, be aware of their technology, their innate nature and a lot more besides.

I appreciated his 2001 project, staged in the Washington D.C Press Club, that was truly an inspiration and that has opened the topic in a serious light for many previously cynical commentators.

But the subsequent activity, that 'Sirius' documentary was deeply unsatisfying and filled with vague speculation.
If he had stuck to being a project manager of highly credible witness account, and a even a manager of that project-all would have been well; his entire disposition is a red flag to me. But if even 1% of his efforts result in the subject being accepted and discussed in the open, it is probably worth it.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by WhiteLove (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.

Bill, my gut feeling is that it is "and other reasons" that is the primary rationale, am I far from the truth? I am thinking that there must be something more to this...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg

We did the interview in non-optimum conditions after Greer had literally crashed in on us (while we were talking with Henry Deacon and Bob Dean) and demanded his own interview. That was the morning after Kerry had published the following on the Camelot blog, here:

25 July 2009
• On Dr Steven Greer:

We listened to his presentation today and learned that he is stating to the world that the secret government has no ongoing dealings with any ET races -- the worst kind of disinfo. He is also telling people that ALL ETs and interdimensionals are positively oriented -- in other words STO (service-to-others) -- and this is also false. Many are friendly... but some are hostile.

The trouble with this type of approach is that it leaves the fate of Earth and humanity vulnerable to take over and interference by races who do not have our best interests in mind (or heart). In doing so, he ignores the critical issue of sovereignty for humanity and this planet within the galactic community.

We do not agree with Greer's position and consider this dangerous and insidious.

As a final statement, we were disappointed to learn that our interview request was declined by him: it would have been an interesting and valuable conversation.

--Kerry

That (above) in turn was the day after we'd realized what the truth really was about Greer. And he DID decline an interview, until he abruptly changed his mind after the blog piece above.

Important pieces were coming together very quickly. The interview was NOT a good one (it's the only one we ever did which I'd have like to have recorded again), but we received many messages of support. One highly respected UFO researcher, one of the very very best in the field, said to us privately and off-record:

There's something wrong with that man.

In subsequent years, we received further totally damning testimony — that cannot and will not be published in order to protect people whose lives would be in danger.

I will only say this, with 100% certainty: Greer is not who he says he is.

[Builder]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
* The US government has no current communication with any ET race.

Maybe this statement is what keeps him alive?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Builder (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
* The US government has no current communication with any ET race.

Maybe this statement is what keeps him alive?

Or maybe out of jail.

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[...]
I will only say this, with 100% certainty: Greer is not who he says he is.

Well that's an intriguing show stopper...!

As a mere arm-chair observer, all I can say is that I've noticed Greer has some interesting nervous ticks, seems to have a massive ego and is a very accomplished self-publicist.

Whether he is an overall force for good or not I cannot say - but like many others, I'd like to know.

[WhiteLove]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The interview was NOT a good one (it's the only one we ever did which I'd have like to have recorded again), but we received many messages of support.

I can understand this, the interview revealed Project Camelot was in contact with a false secret witness at the time: "12:30 We just heard from a secret witness there is around 10 months left of food until it runs out on the planet." One of the leading experts in the UFO community suddenly is told this by Project Camelot, he must have been pretty defensive inside at that point which I can understand... (the whole reason he wanted to have that interview since he had first rejected it was probably as a step to protect his credibility through an official response to the blog post Kerry did on him)

I think it is possible that Greer is simply overall just very protective about his credibility and he should be in his position...

Anyway, I think it was cool that you did this interview with him, I appreciate that a lot! (miss you on Project Camelot)

And, yes I do agree with Project Camelot that we cannot necessarily trust ALL the visitors to planet earth. But it appears that in the grander scheme of things we have had enough protection over thousands of years or the ETs around have been light enough not to destroy us through a sudden evil intervention. And that fact cannot be denied. So from that point of view it is logical to expect at least overall some must be of light nature.

I think that the day when we have open contact, it will happen by us collectively requesting such contact, in love and peace. This probably explains why Greer has had quite a lot of remarkable UFO sightings on his contact events, further suggesting that some of these UFOs appear when love is present, a sign that at least these UFOs might come here in love. But that does not also mean ALL UFOs come in love, that part we don't know...

What I strongly agree with Greer about is the fact that humanity must use peace on earth as a vehicle towards truth and as a vehicle when seeking to join the greater community out there.

[Michi]

Looking at the past interview with Project Camelot (and his newest video), I can't get myself rid of the impression that Greer is in essence a politician.

[Mitm]

My take on the whole ET thing, according to Anastasia's material, and according to Arthur Cristian, only accept "first party" data/sources... How can we truly know anything for sure? unless we experience it ourselves

There are no ET's period, NASA lies about everything, including maybe the true shape of the world. its all part of the "real NWO", "one-ness" new world religion. Anastasia does take Vladimir to another planet astrally, but I think this was just an analogy to show where our world is headed if we continue on the technocratic path.. Also it is mentioned in the books, that we "Man" can just using our thought, create life on other planets... in the 10th book Anastasias son designs a natural/organic spaceship...

[DNA]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Builder (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
* The US government has no current communication with any ET race.

Maybe this statement is what keeps him alive?

Or maybe out of jail.

I absolutely cherish it when you take such a strong stance on someone regardless of which way you go.
For what it is worth, although we have done thousands of hours of research on these subjects, but we have not been privy to the folks you have been privy to, as such I/we hold your opinion in very high regard when trying to decide the value of the various information sources out there.
We should start a Bill Ryan gladiator thread, where upon all we do is provide you with an information source and you give us the thumbs up or thumbs down.
I know enough from having read your posts that you would be diametrically opposed to this being as you want folks to come to their own conclusions, but I would like to put it out there just the same.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mitm (here)
My take on the whole ET thing, according to Anastasia's material, and according to Arthur Cristian, only accept "first party" data/sources... How can we truly know anything for sure? unless we experience it ourselves

There are no ET's period, NASA lies about everything, including maybe the true shape of the world. its all part of the "real NWO", "one-ness" new world religion. Anastasia does take Vladimir to another planet astrally, but I think this was just an analogy to show where our world is headed if we continue on the technocratic path.. Also it is mentioned in the books, that we "Man" can just using our thought, create life on other planets... in the 10th book Anastasias son designs a natural/organic spaceship...

Wow.

Well, there may be a bit of a contradiction there.

How can we truly know anything for sure? unless we experience it ourselves

How do you know Anastasia is real? I'm as sure as I can be the series of very popular books is an allegory: an important, valuable, but mythical story intended merely as a teaching tool.

The everything-we're-told-is-a-lie philosophy is intellectual laziness. We have to work quite hard sometimes to figure out what's true and what's not. The easy way out is to reject everything.

[Mitm]

Touche Bill, though alot of people have been able to "connect" to her energy, and alot of what she predicted has come to pass..
With Arthur Cristian and his "don't believe anything til you experience it yourself" philosophy, its about having unique thoughts, what unique thought has a modern person ever had, that hasnt been put in our heads by 'others' parents, media, govt, society, etc, etc..
If you have every had an "enlightenment experience" you'll know that it is possible to have a "direct experience" with another lifeform, without the filter of what the ego has been taught... that is what its all about... its about the system, and how it is based on turning us into slaves, and about how nature can give us true freedom, without any form of a system.... I hope this all makes sense...

[mojo]

"...with a 100% certainty. Greer is not who he says he is... "

What an ending, and a real cliff hanger. My mind wanders...One might consider the many different meanings...