Important announcement from Dr. Steven Greer...

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Redstar Kachina (here)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...y-Alfred-Webre-

Yes. Alfred Webre violated his own promise of confidentiality to post this, but what he wrote was true.

[NeedleThreader]

Yup, this is true. Greer did steal money and use it as his own. Many people and groups in his CE-5 communities were outraged and severed ties completely.

THIS DOES NOT CHANGE the fact these groups/or any loving group are capable of contacting ET craft because I have done this many times now. I have seen the golden ship with my own mother at one of these CE-5 gatherings that were initially organized by Greer many years ago, maybe when he was still legit. There are thousands of these groups around the world now today.

I would not be surprised if Greer has turned into con artist/thief, and after thinking about the video at the beginning of the thread for a few days now, I am asking what he was even trying to say that had any value in his message besides, 'we need your help, we need your support, GIVE ME YOUR $$$'.

I don't think that alien body in his movie Sirius is real either.

My guess is he got in way over his head with this thing and the gov't stepped in at some point and said " great, just keep doing what you have been but don't tell them the REAL truth about X,Y, & Z and you can keep your life. You can also try and shill these people for all the money you want too, but thats it, no more"

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by NeedleThreader (here)

My guess is he got in way over his head with this thing and the gov't stepped in at some point and said " great, just keep doing what you have been but don't tell them the REAL truth about X,Y, & Z and you can keep your life. You can also try and shill these people for all the money you want too.

I don't know this as a fact, but that's my guess, too.

[NeedleThreader]

Bill, thank you for patiently showing me the way on this one.

[KiwiElf]

The key description in the Alfred Webre link above from Redstar Kachina may explain it all; (behavioural change etc)... "to buy drugs...", and I'm only talking moderate drugs here such as Ecstasy - By the time Sirius had become available, I noticed (as I'm sure many others did, too), a fundamental change in his persona, ego & erratic behaviour - this was not the same Greer... a good proportion of it was purely ego boosting and self absorbing.

I'm sorry to say it, but I think there may have been a little "honey trap" in there too (by way of the gym partner - why was he even included in the video?) Greer, like his gym buddy, suddenly came across as overtly gay IMO - no offense to anybody. Infatuations can take on many forms, and alter a person's behaviour dramatically, not necessarily sexual... just an "emperor's wearing no clothes" observation (no pun intended)

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

Greer, like his gym buddy, suddenly came across as overtly gay IMO - no offense to any body.

Yes, he is. This is not a homophobic remark, but the significance is that at some point after his 2001 Washington Press Conference, his sexuality changed (he used to be a family man) — as well as the marked change in his body shape.

See this image. This is Greer on a gay contact site a few years ago (August 2009). His handle was DCMuscleWolf. When he realized this had been leaked, he canceled his account immediately. Independently of being sent this by someone, I was also contacted by a young man who [said they] had been in a gay sexual liaison with him via the same 'Manhunt' site.

I won't post it overtly... download at your discretion. Warning: this is sexually explicit, and may be offensive to some, with good reason.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/hidden...even Greer.jpg

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

In fairness, if he appeared to became gay it could just be a natural thing. Many people from what I've observed (and not at all speaking from personal experience) don't accept (or maybe realise) they're gay until later in life. This could be what this is. Just a natural thing. It doesn't mean something subversive 'happened' to him.

[Nick Matkin]

Indeed, Star Mariner said it first.

To those not familiar with this subject, it is really very unlikely that anyone changes their sexuality.

For whatever reason they go with the flow, even get married and perhaps even have children. But they've always known that this isn't really expressing their true feelings, and as social attitudes change (at least in the West - and they realise this isn't a dress rehearsal, it's the real thing!), decide to form relationships that - at last - are fulfilling, meaningful and reflect true to their real feelings and who they really are.

We could paint Greer's 'change' with sinister overtones, but it could be something as simple as a human being reaching middle age who has decided to embrace his true sexuality before it's too late!

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
In fairness, if he appeared to became gay it could just be a natural thing. Many people from what I've observed (and not at all speaking from personal experience) don't accept (or maybe realise) they're gay until later in life. This could be what this is. Just a natural thing. It doesn't mean something subversive 'happened' to him.

Totally agree Star Mariner & Nick. (And when I wrote the earlier post, I really had no idea that was the actual case until Bill confirmed it, nor was it intended in any way to be a homophobic comment - I couldn't give a toss if he's gay or not! Good for him. ).

But... it would also put him in an "uncomfortable position" (for many reasons), especially if he's not openly "out",

ie this is complete speculation and just one possibility... from the get go, his wife was the primary financial support & breadwinner for Greer & his family. That may not be the case now, given that revelation, and he's got to finance himself somehow. With the evidence provided by Bill, that would make him ripe for manipulation or blackmail...

As many a closeted Hollywood actor or entertainer knows, (particularly if they're successful), even in this day and age of tolerance & over-the-top PC, being openly gay, unfortunately, still doesn't sell to big markets who are anti-gay (which would still include a large proportion of Western civilisation, most of Asia, Middle East, Russia and Africa). We see all too readily how this affects politicians and others in high places. The irony is, the stigma is still there and very real. It also doesn't collect a lot of donations, if you get my drift?

[thepainterdoug]

there are several people ( 2 in particular I am thinking of,) in the field who are offering a book or a series of books, and then along side, a movie or a sequel to a movie. The funny thing is, if you have the real dope on the story, the real stuff most people are waiting to know, hear and have confirmed, it can be said in a paragraph.
There is something wrong when a person gives an interview and answers nothing as you are told to wait for the book and movie to be released.

[Starseed]

I knew Greer was full of it by meeting him in person. He had a fat cheap bodyguard to protect him (who could not wear a weapon but had a holster on his side). He was following him like a dirty sock around. He did not ring true. Then, there was his cell phone video on YouTube, which may still be there but I can't be bothered to check if it is still online, where you can see a bright star in the sky and he is filming it while his cell phone rings and he says: Hello? Hello?... Silence follows. But he is making it look like: "ET phone home!"

I think Dr Steven Greer is a great entertainer and loves himself. Humble is not part of his vocabulary and he certainly reminds me of Fox Mulder. "He wants to believe" but like many others, wants to make a business out of it and has done well with it, charging a little fortune for his SETI sessions or something like that (never been to one where I had to pay for it) and flying first class. Kudos to make money off the gullible people Ex-Dr Greer.

And I forgot the joke and embarrassing thing that is the Sirius documentary!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Starseed (here)
I think Dr Steven Greer is a great entertainer and loves himself. Humble is not part of his vocabulary and he certainly reminds me of Fox Mulder. "He wants to believe" but like many others, wants to make a business out of it and has done well with it, charging a little fortune for his SETI sessions or something like that (never been to one where I had to pay for it) and flying first class. Kudos to make money off the gullible people Ex-Dr Greer.

In fact Greer reminds me more of David Wilcock. They are both essentially gunning for the same thing, whilst at the same time heavily endorsing themselves and their commercial interests.

But in either case, no matter their self-absorption, their transgressions or flawed personalities, (or whether or not they are gay) there is still something to be said for what in effect they have achieved. And that is increasing awareness. It cannot be disputed that they have both succeeded in increasing and enhancing public consciousness of the extra-terrestrial presence and of secret cover-ups, etc. Despite whatever deceits they may be guilty of - the lying and the back-stabbing and at times plain disinformation - despite all these problems and human short-comings (don't we all have them?), they are both doing something to push a cause that will eventually (hopefully) benefit all humanity.

[Nick Matkin]

Unfortunately I can't find it now, but somewhere there's a Greer video with some beeping noises coming from a $20 Radio Shack scanner and him claiming it's signals from Orion, Sirius, or some such absolute nonsense.

If he wants to be taken seriously by anyone with scientific knowledge, he's got to do much better than that. It's beyond pathetic.

If he just wants to impress those who are easily separated from their money, well cheap tricks like that might work...

[Agape]

5th amendment Reminds you of Billy's cave drawings :

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1067703

This your ancestor ...?

[PathWalker]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by NeedleThreader (here)

I would love to know what Bill thinks are three non-truths of his...

Greer has stated on record the following. All of the statements are false.

1. There are no ETs that don't have the human race's best interests at heart.
2. There are no ET abductions.
3. The US government has no current communication with any ET race.

For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.

Despite the above, we should consider any new information coming from him. Discerning the interest/position/situation Steven Greer has.
I believe his is a very courageous person. And he is cornered. He release/disclose what he can.

He is also mentioned by Kerry Cassidy as one of the ancestors/inspirations to project Camelot.

[onawah]

Greer certainly had a positive impact initially with the Disclosure Project, but what happened to him along the way from there to here brings up the question for me "can a soul be captured?"
And if not captured, then at least taken over in some way?
I would imagine that there would be many pitfalls and temptations along the way for such a one in the public spotlight, and the attention he attracted would not have all been positive, by any means.
Perhaps the person we see now in that body is not really the same person at all--literally.
It would be interesting to get a really good psychic's impressions of what's happened with Greer.
"Coming out" might have made him exceptionally vulnerable to less than benevolent influences.
I've known a few people who went through that process and it was certainly not easy--more like a complete and rather volcanic redo of their entire being.
And to do it at the time in Greer's life when he was already taking on so much could only have made him much more vulnerable to destructive forces from both within and without.
Not to make excuses for him at all--just speculating.

[giovonni]

Steven Greer's latest ...

will share this here

Posted by giovonni (here)
Coast To Coast AM - May 27, 2016

Ending UFO & Free Energy Secrecy

Host: Jimmy Church
Guests: Steven Greer

From candid presidential candidates to recent NASA and military whistleblowers, the forces suppressing truth can no longer hold back the floodgates of disclosure, says Dr. Steven Greer, who joined Jimmy Church (email), filling in for George. Greer, a leader in the global disclosure movement, leads the ultimate campaign that ends illegal UFO and free energy technology secrecy and embraces the beginning of a new civilization on Earth.

According to Greer, secrecy on disclosure has less to do with the acknowledgement of extraterrestrial intelligence and more to do with the forces which control technology, energy, and macro-economic conditions. "If this gets disclosed, it's the end of oil, and it's the end of coal, and it's the end of nuclear power and public utilities," he said. The technologies utilized by UFOs can usher in the next chapter in human development, he added.

Greer spoke about his hope for insiders on USAPs, Unacknowledged Special Access Programs, that deal specifically with the UFO/ET issue to come forward with our without the protection of an executive order. High-ranking officials, including the president and CIA Director, do not have access to these programs, he explained. "I think the public has to realize that this is a Constitutional crisis," he observed. Greer called for listeners who are, or know someone who is, working on zero point energy and over unity devices to contact him. He indicated some projects which show promise and can be validated would be funded and shared freely with the world.

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Open Lines followed in the second half of the program. Nathaniel in Salt Lake City told Jimmy about episodes of alien contact he has had throughout his life. Nathaniel recalled seeing two entities in his bedroom when he was two years old, and then later in life having some physical encounters on a craft with beings which appeared to be Grays. Jimmy from St. Louis reported on his alien abduction experiences. "I've actually had physical contact with an ET," he admitted, noting these encounters began when he was a teenager. According to Jimmy, the ETs use interferometric technology to tune into frequencies that are invisible to human senses. Blair in Sedona, Arizona, spoke about the 'Quarantine Enforcers' mentioned in Jim Marrs' book, Alien Agenda. These tiny artificial devices hover about an orbit around Earth and are the cause of many of our rocket failures, Blair suggested.

Program link page here

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_6yRHyP0I5w

[onawah]

Although this may be true: "He is also mentioned by Kerry Cassidy as one of the ancestors/inspirations to project Camelot", she and Bill both had a dramatic turnaround in their views on Greer after the later marked change in his personality, accompanied by numbers of reports from his closest associates that he was no longer the same person and that they feared who he had become, that he was misappropriating funds, that he was lying, using and abusing those who had been his strongest supporters, who subsequently resigned.
Let's not be naive...ALL this should be taken into consideration!

Posted by PathWalker (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by NeedleThreader (here)

I would love to know what Bill thinks are three non-truths of his...

Greer has stated on record the following. All of the statements are false.

1. There are no ETs that don't have the human race's best interests at heart.
2. There are no ET abductions.
3. The US government has no current communication with any ET race.

For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.

He is also mentioned by Kerry Cassidy as one of the ancestors/inspirations to project Camelot.

[onawah]

From Bill's post here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post689941

Copied verbatim from http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ufoet-and.html

Dr. Greer reportedly improperly “skimmed” project funds for personal real estate.
Core insiders including Dr. Jan Bravo (portrayed as a supporter in Sirius) abandoned Dr. Greer prior to premiere. Some “in fear for their lives”.
“Dead Man’s Trigger” touted by Dr. Greer at outset of documentary is 33 page document (PDF below) containing apparent fabricated accusations.

By Alfred Lambremont Webre

As a result of a 3-month investigation including core supporters of film, UFO/ET, and New Energy projects led by Dr. Steven Greer, [Sirius documentary, Disclosure Project, Orion Project] Exopolitics.com is reporting preliminary evidence of apparent project financial improprieties by Dr. Steven Greer that led to the departure of his long-time core team, including Dr. Jan Bravo, portrayed in Sirius as a supporter of Dr. Greer, when in fact she had reportedly disaffiliated with Dr. Greer prior to the premiere of the documentary Sirius.


Dr. Jan Bravo, MD

One Exopolitics.com confidential source in direct contact with former Greer core team members stated,
“[Steven Greer’s] core team has left. Besides the drugs..., he's [Greer’s] been taking the money meant for disclosure and free energy and using it to buy personal real estate, drugs.... His [Greer’s] core team is really hurting, feel like they've left a cult. He's [Greer’s] turned on some of them maliciously and they are fearful of what he might do to them. They described also how they had many researchers come forth with viable technologies that Steven turned away because he wanted to use the $$ for other things - which turned out to be the aforementioned. Really sad all around.”
Referring to Drs. Jan Bravo and other core team members, the Exopolitics.com confidential source stated,
“Imagine how miserable it's been for them [Drs. Jan Bravo] having to finally pull the plug on supporting the whole UFO/ET movement because Greer essentially hijacked the whole thing out of a perverted sense of pathological self-interest. Specifically, Jan has sacrificed her entire career and livelihood to move the entire UFO/ET movement forward as far as it has gone.”

Greer core team threatened and “afraid for their lives” after disaffiliating

The confidential Exopolitics.com source stated that some core team members who had disaffiliated with Dr. Greer were afraid for their lives. At one point, the source stated,
“The people who have left Greer's team are afraid for their lives. One of them had his brakes cut, etc.”
The confidential Exopolitics.com source also stated that former Greer associate Dr. Jan Bravo had been threatened following her disaffiliation with Dr. Greer.
“Jan Bravo said that she came home today to find on her front foyer some streaks of blood...and it didn't come from the dog. She considered it a warning and no more.”
“Jan doesn't want to alter her life. She interprets it as defeat if she has to change her way of life.”
When reached directly by Exopolitics.com for comment Dr. Jan Bravo and two other core team members did not reply. Through the intermediary confidential Exopolitics.com source with whom Exopolitics.com had been dialoguing with Dr. Jan Bravo, Dr. Bravo stated,
“Jan [Dr. Jan Bravo] reiterated not to take action, especially by going public with anything shared to date…. unless it's Woolsey [former CIA Director James Woolsey] getting directly involved.... Greer [Dr. Steven Greer] has been throwing Woolsey's name around ever since Jim made the mistake of allowing Greer to join him and three other people for dinner, and Greer has blamed Woolsey for all sorts of stuff like blocking inventors from going forward with their technologies...complete B.S.”

Sirius film crew reportedly acknowledges Greer skimming project funds

The confidential Exopolitics.com source reported,
"Interesting meeting with the Sirius film production crew yesterday. They already knew he was skimming funds off the top from the Sirius pot of money."

Sirius documentary: Fabrications in Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger”

At the outset of the Sirius documentary, Dr. Greer greatly touts his “Dead Man’s Trigger”, a document he has created setting out individuals who might be responsible for his demise in the event that he was assassinated or threatened.

A copy of Dr. Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger”, a 33 page PDF document, obtained by Exopolitics.com in the course of this news investigation can be downloaded at the link below.

As featured in documentary film "Sirius", "Dead Man's Trigger" by Dr. Steven Greer



To download "Dead Man's Trigger" by Dr. Steven Greer (33 pages PDF), please click below:

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/s...



ARTICLE URL:

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ven-greer.html

The bulk of the “Dead Man’s Trigger” may have a familiar ring to those who are versed in Dr. Greer’s writings and speeches and simply repeats the assertions that are made in the Sirius documentary, in Dr. Greer’s speeches and books obtainable at the Disclosure Project website.

One specific fabrication of note in the Greer “Dead Man’s Trigger” is, however, that the individuals Todd Hathaway and Pete Sumaruck would be putatively responsible for any demise of Dr. Greer.

Exopolitics.com has been informed that Todd Hathaway is in fact one of the individuals who has been comforting Dr. Jan Bravo after her disaffiliation from Dr. Greer. According to a confidential source, “If the day comes where all this comes out, the inventor who stood up to Greer is Pete Sumaruck.”

Therefore, it would appear that Dr. Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger” is actually structured around a false and misleading premise. In fact, the two individuals cited by Dr. Greer as being a putative “cause” of any demise of Dr. Greer are in fact (a) an individual who is giving comfort to Dr. Jan Bravo, a former Greer affiliate who reports having been threatened; and (b) a New Energy inventor who “stood up to Dr. Greer”.


Steven Greer, UFO/ET Disclosure & the Transhumanist Agenda

As stated in a recent Exopolitics.com article that focused on Dr. Steven Greer and two other specific opinion leaders in the UFO/ET movement, “The brain-mind entrainment data presented in this article, while preliminary in nature, raises prima facie questions about the future of the Exopolitical movement. If it is factually true that such opinion leaders in the UFO/ET "Disclosure" movement are brain-mind entrained due to manipulatory extraterrestrial or military-intelligence advance nanotechnology and hence acting out their controller's agendas, then this fact needs to be publicly exposed and discussed.” [1]

The preliminary evidence gathered in this Exopolitics.com article from direct eyewitnesses witnesses to financial improprieties by Dr. Steven Greer ranging from long time core supporters to the Sirius documentary film crew and some of whom are in fear for their lives gives rise to a prima facie presumption that they are being truthful.

One of the conclusions of the Exopolitics.com study on the Transhumanist Agenda in the UFO/ET movement stated, “The anomalous eye and body movements of Messrs. Bassett, Huneeus, and Greer may be the result of remote advanced nano-mind control technology applied by military-intelligence agencies. Under this alternative, the brains, neurological systems, and personalities of Bassett, Huneeus and Greer are entrained by military-intelligence nano-mind control technologies to act out agendas of these agencies that in turn may be cybernetically directed by predatory dimensional extraterrestrials.” [2]

If in fact as the forensic evidence suggests, Dr. Greer is under brain entrainment and cybernetic control, and hence acting out an agenda of military intelligence agencies and/or predatory dimensional extraterrestrials, then this development may represent a public peril of the first order. It is difficult to speculate whether this brain-mind entrainment may have led to the reported financial irregularities by Dr. Greer. It seems clear, from the threats that former Greer former team members are subjected to, that some sinister force is attempting to ensure that these witnesses do not speak out.

Dr. Greer, the Sirius documentary and the Disclosure Project have a wide public profile. Such an opinion leadership makes Dr. Greer an ideal candidate for promoting “pseudo-disclosure”, or a continuation of demands for “official disclosure” that ensure that whistleblowers from actual, longstanding U.S-Extraterrestrial liaison and visitation programs are sidelined.


[1] UFO/ET Citizen Hearing witnesses Bassett, Huneeus and Greer’s anomalous eye movements may indicate brain-mind entrainment by manipulatory extraterrestrials or advanced military-intelligence nanotechnology as part of a global control agenda

By Alfred Lambremont Webre

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ment-by-p.html

[2] Ibid.


Last edited by Bill Ryan; 19th June 2013 at 12:19.