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    ABC "News" headlines: 50 Dead in Florida Nightclub Shooting, Worst in US History

    Really? The "worst in US history"?

    How about the Waco massacre wherein 76 people were horribly murdered including two pregnant women and 20 children burned alive by the US "government"?

    How about the Wounded Knee massacre wherein over 200 Sioux men, women and children were murdered by the US military?

    How about the "911 inside job" attack by US military "intelligence" that killed nearly 3,000 people in the NY trade towers ?

    Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.....

    So who are the worst terrorists?

    Could it be that the answer is the Washington District of Columbia Psychopaths?
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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    What I'm surprised by, is that Florida is a "concealed carry" state, and that there was not a small group of armed employees or whatnot, at the club itself. For instance, kitchen staff or DJ's, office people, and so on, with immediate access. A club of any nature..in a concealed carry state... makes such thinking and planning a norm, prudent, and I daresay... obvious.
    It could be PULSE club policy to not allow any weapons what-so-ever. Not for employees, not for guests.. Makes no sense considering..

    Quote @Bob: Apparently the shooter was a LICENSED registered Security Agent. Authorized to have assault weapons, probably legally as part of his "job"..

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12...nightclub.html

    The gunman was identified as Omar Mateen

    A licensed security officer, Mateen also had a Statewide Firearms "G" (special) License
    Had people been armed (Florida does allow private handguns), someone may have been able to stop Mateen before he killed and injured so many people.
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    When anywhere in lage groups of people, a person should be on guard for evil , have a plan, instead of panic, move into action, for large groups of people that are not muslims ar always targets for radical Islam and those who believe along those lines... one armed person in that club and the only dead person would be the evil person hell bent on making others suffer ...
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    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    Apparently the shooter was a LICENSED registered Security Agent. Authorized to have assault weapons, probably legally as part of his "job"..

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12...nightclub.html

    Quote The gunman was identified as Omar Mateen

    A licensed security officer, Mateen also had a Statewide Firearms License
    Had people been armed (Florida does allow private handguns), someone may have been able to stop Mateen before he killed and injured so many people.
    perhaps a hint of the next installment of the agenda of gun control , taking some types of guns off the menu , then phase two , next "event"

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    Of course, the meme pushed is that this sort of thing happens only now, and it's all terrorism. Which the Bath School disaster shows as not being true, at all.
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    Quote Posted by bluestflame (here)
    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    Apparently the shooter was a LICENSED registered Security Agent. Authorized to have assault weapons, probably legally as part of his "job"..

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12...nightclub.html

    Quote The gunman was identified as Omar Mateen

    A licensed security officer, Mateen also had a Statewide Firearms License
    Had people been armed (Florida does allow private handguns), someone may have been able to stop Mateen before he killed and injured so many people.
    perhaps a hint of the next installment of the agenda of gun control , taking some types of guns off the menu , then phase two , next "event"
    Along that line 3 days earlier, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...in-public.html US Supreme Court said YOU HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, to have a concealed handgun.. In other words, you have NO rights to protect yourself against any armed thugs threatening your life, what-so-ever..

    ==update==

    JUST emphasizing - this guy was a LICENSED BACKGROUND CHECKED INDIVIDUAL - this is not a matter of some guy buying an assault weapon at some gun show.. This guy was a security agent, registered legally to be a weapons holder, (and user).

    ==update 2==

    A COP was at the club and did exchange gunfire with the assaulter - unknown if the officer was on-duty or off-duty, (0202 am local), but the hostage standoff resulted in a 3 hour wait time before S.W.A.T. broke in to kill Mateen.

    ==update 3==

    Mateen was on the FBI radar.. But what is not clear is was he on the radar because the company that he worked for GUARDS major US government buildings.

    Are we seeing a "sleeper" who had a button pressed? Democrats are calling for more gun controls however the point here is, this GUY was a legal authorized security agent, allowed to buy, carry, and use weapons.

    If it isn't a "gun control issue", maybe it is more of a "sleeper" who was triggered into acting prematurely? (i.e. programming, trance induction, etc.)

    Just asking.. thoughts?



    ==update 4==

    Just in 911 call received, originated (allegedly) by the shooter, Mateen, was that he called 911 and claimed allegiance to I.S.I.S, for his attack.

    Audio has not been released, yet, part of the on-going investigation. Discussion is "on-going" was /did he (was he sleeper), acting on behalf of I.S.I.S. or was he acting independently, having prematurely started shooting.
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    I think another round of a call for gun control by the government will be coming soon to Msm. Bring out the crying relatives.

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    I think that the quick response of the police to the shooting (70 police cars), is what gives in the idea that this whole act was orcastraded by the government. For what reasons? Possibly anything that the government gets something from it... If it's gun control then that's one point if it's hatred against Islam then it's another point, you name it but no doubt that another massecar in Orlando will not sild like a random shooting.
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    This absolutely demands every adult male in the USA now carry side arms. I personally absolutely support those advocating gun ownership.

    This event in my opinion is just another managed slaughter.

    THREE HOURS before the SWAT team went to work! Are you kidding! The gunman could have died of old age and starvation by the time those good 'ol boys came to the rescue. Pathetic.

    Apparently, the security services were warned three days prior to this event that something was going to happen.

    The power of the USA no longer resides in Washington, which of itself is a foreign territory but in Europe and Israel.

    I will never accept this man worked alone. I am already convinced that once this investigation starts digging, we will see the fingers pointing once again at one salacious group masquerading as friends and benevolent partners.

    I also believe there is a coups d'état taking place before the eyes of Americans and they are blind to it. You are not alone as the same is true here in Europe.

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    This seemly unemotional scripted public safety response seals it all for me ...
    Behind it all is the unseen Homeland Security mechanism in action ...


    Orlando Police News Conference on Pulse Club Mass Shooting



    Backstory

    "Orlando Police Chief John Mina said the attack began at 02:00 (06:00 GMT) and a police officer on duty at the club exchanged gunfire with the gunman. The attacker then entered the club and a "hostage situation" unfolded, he said.

    Chief Mina said a decision was taken at 05:00 to send a police assault team into the club after receiving texts and phone calls from some of the hostages. "Our SWAT officers exchanged gunfire with the suspect, the suspect is dead," he said. "He appeared to be carrying an assault-type rifle and a handgun, and had some type of device on him."

    An FBI spokesman said they were investigating whether the attacker was a "lone wolf". He said the attacker appeared to "have leanings towards" radical Islamist ideology but it was not yet clear whether this was a case of domestic or international terrorism.

    At least 20 bodies have been found in the club itself, and some 42 people have been taken to hospital to be treated for their injuries, Chief Mina said. A clubber earlier described a situation of chaos outside as the number of casualties became apparent.

    "There were just bodies everywhere," Christopher Hansen said. "In the parking lot, they were tagging them - red, yellow - so they knew who to help first and who not help first. Pants down, shirts cut off, they had to find the bullets. Just blood everywhere." Some of the injured were reportedly brought to the Orlando Regional Medical Center in police pick-ups.

    More than 100 people were reported to have been enjoying the end of a Latin-themed night in the club, which calls itself the hottest gay bar in the city, when the attack began. "We heard rapid fire go off. In the room I was in, people went down to the floor. I wasn't able to see the shooter or people get hurt," Ricardo Negron Almodovar told BBC News. "At some point, there was a brief pause, and a group of us got up and went to the exit that leads to the patio area outside. We found an exit and after that... I just ran."

    According to the Mass Shooting Tracker, the US last year suffered 372 mass shootings, defined as a single incident that kills or injures four or more people. Some 475 people were killed and 1,870 wounded.

    The latest incident came as Orlando was still reeling from the fatal shooting on Friday night of 22-year-old singer Christina Grimmie following a concert in the city. She had been signing autographs when she was shot by 26-year-old Kevin James Loibl, who then killed himself. It is not clear what Loibl's motive was."

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    Continuing ...

    'A State Of Emergency'


    Orlando gay club shooting: What we know about Omar Mateen - BBC News


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    Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.

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    "Sleepers being activated?" or copycat?

    LA -

    West Los Angeles, California - a suspect arrested headed to Gay Pride. Explosive materials, assault weapons found in the vehicle.


    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/nationa...pons-bo/nrfHG/

    Quote the man was arrested after the Santa Monica Police department received a call of a prowler. When officers found the man and searched his car, they discovered the weapons and explosives.

    The man allegedly told police he was trying to find a friend and the two were going to the LA! Pride Music Festival and Parade in West Hollywood.
    According to police, tannerite, an ingredient used in bomb making, was found in the car. The car had Indiana license plates.


    Pres. Obama calls it (Orlando Shooting), "an act of terror".
    Note: official designation of "act of terror" enables FBI legally to be the lead agency to investigate and act accordingly. (link)

    US Homeland security officials, cancelled their trip to China, headed back to DC. (Jeh Johnson director - statement)

    Islamic State news agency, says they are responsible for the attack. Sen Bill Nelson (D) Florida just reported it on nationwide news.

    RT - https://www.rt.com/news/346390-isis-...ando-shooting/
    Quote Amaq News, a Syrian news agency with close ties to the Islamic State, says the group is responsible for the attack on an Orlando gay club, which has killed 50 people, and left 53 injured.
    Orlando Sheriff says, "act of terror" committed against our Nation. 15:13 local time Orlando news conference.

    FBI - "can't comment on the Orlando attack if there were others involved locally or elsewhere in the US" (live news conference in Orlando).
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    Quote Posted by 6pounder (here)
    Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.
    Quite to the contrary. I can't prove it, and none of us can, but this has all the markings of Killary and Billary Clinton and their handlers. This tragic event builds on the divide and conquer and keep divided and conquered "wedge issues" they create; such as gay v straight, Muslim v Jewish/Christian, demopublican v republicrat, right v left, gun rights v gun control, Second Amend v repeal Second Amend, etc.... Problem-reaction-solution. This has the Bush/Clinton crime family and neocon collectivists/fascists' finger prints all over it. They have no allegiance to the USA or any other country. Their common goal at this time is to destroy the USA by any means they deem necessary.

    P.S. The MSM has lost no time demonizing Trump as being insensitive to the event because so far, they say, he has only tweeted some preliminary statements. Whereas Killary and sandbag Sanders have given formal statements, following Obama-the- usurper's prepared statement today, and repeating the call to clamp down on gun ownership.
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    This tragedy was not trending on Facebook until I called them out on Twitter with screenshots I had taken:

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    Nothing at all surprises me as the agenda to confiscate guns from the citizens continues.
    Terror and the fuel from terror - that emotion feeds the darkness on this planet by those in control of the agenda.

    It is nothing for them to have sacrificial lambs. Gay, straight, children, heroes. Doesn't seem to matter. The angelic singer Christina Grimmie was a sacrifice. She had a future ripped from her.

    Here is one more video sent to me via email from a friend on this wave:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06...y-dark-forces/
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    Quote Posted by WhiteLove (here)
    This is the result of access to weapons, when it snaps it's a disaster.

    Guns should be illegal for all, but the military should de-weaponize first. De-weaponization should happen from big guns to small guns, in that order.
    And this is exactly the response you have been programmed to spit forth.


    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    Quote Posted by 6pounder (here)
    Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.
    Quite to the contrary. I can't prove it, and none of us can, but this has all the markings of Killary and Billary Clinton and their handlers. This tragic event builds on the divide and conquer and keep divided and conquered "wedge issues" they create; such as gay v straight, Muslim v Jewish/Christian, demopublican v republicrat, right v left, gun rights v gun control, Second Amend v repeal Second Amend, etc.... Problem-reaction-solution. This has the Bush/Clinton crime family and neocon collectivists/fascists' finger prints all over it. They have no allegiance to the USA or any other country. Their common goal at this time is to destroy the USA by any means they deem necessary.

    P.S. The MSM has lost no time demonizing Trump as being insensitive to the event because so far, they say, he has only tweeted some preliminary statements. Whereas Killary and sandbag Sanders have given formal statements, following Obama-the- usurper's prepared statement today, and repeating the call to clamp down on gun ownership.
    Excellent post. I couldn't agree more.

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    Orlando nightclub shooting: How the attack unfolded


    38 minutes ago




    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36511778

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Call me a cynic..... I obviously feel sorrow and grief for the innocent victims,
    but something smells a rat as usual.....Perfect timing to get those armchair
    'sheeple' who do not follow the mainstream or alternate news , but will be
    'psyoped' as they watch the 'luvies' get their awards.....




    Tony Awards show dedicated to Orlando victims

    After the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history, the show must go on.

    The Tony Awards, which honor the best plays and musicals on Broadway,
    are airing as scheduled Sunday night. The show's account tweeted Sunday
    morning that the ceremony will be dedicated to the victims of the Orlando
    shooting, which took place at a gay nightclub during Pride Week Sunday morning.




    http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/p...ando/85789946/

    ====================================================

    Who was the gunman?


    Omar MateenImage copyright CBS


    Officials have named the suspect as Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old from Fort Pierce,
    a city about two hours drive south of Orlando, in St Lucie County.

    An FBI spokesman said the gunman phoned emergency services before the attack
    and pledged allegiance to Islamic State group.

    The group has called him an IS "fighter" but no links between him and them have
    been confirmed.

    Police departments across the country are increasing patrols near locations
    frequented by the LGBT community.

    In Los Angeles, an armed man was arrested by Santa Monica police as he headed
    to the LA Pride event.

    Mr Mateen's father told NBC News his son became very angry when he saw two
    men kissing recently in Miami.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36511778



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    Key talking heads "on the Hill" had been starting to spin when the big questions were asked, the guy was a LICENSED registered security agent, registered within Florida's statutes.

    The talking heads are saying anyone could go out and legally buy an assault weapon (therefore MORE gun controls are needed). That's not the point that's the SPIN to detract from this person Mateen was cleared. And he was also then authorized with a separate license to have various weapons.

    From the Florida Statutes (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...93/0493.html):

    Quote 493.6100 Legislative intent.—The Legislature recognizes that the private security, investigative, and recovery industries are rapidly expanding fields
    that require regulation to ensure that the interests of the public will be adequately served and protected.

    The Legislature recognizes that untrained persons, unlicensed persons or businesses, or persons who are not of good moral character
    engaged in the private security, investigative, and recovery industries are a threat to the welfare of the public if placed in positions of trust.

    Regulation of licensed and unlicensed persons and businesses engaged in these fields is therefore deemed necessary.
    "(7) “Good moral character” means a personal history of honesty, fairness, and respect for the rights and property of others and for the laws of this state and nation."

    hmm..

    Was the perp "crazy" ? According to the state of Florida LAW, apparently, not:

    Quote (12) The department may issue a temporary Class “G” license, on a case-by-case basis, if:

    (a) The agency or employer has certified that the applicant has been determined to be mentally and emotionally stable by either:

    1. A validated written psychological test taken within the previous 12-month period.

    2. An evaluation by a psychiatrist or psychologist licensed in this state or by the Federal Government made within the previous 12-month period.

    3. Presentation of a DD form 214, issued within the previous 12-month period, which establishes the absence of emotional or mental instability at the time of discharge from military service.
    Who then signed off on Mateen?

    License ISSUED - in good standing
    https://licensing.freshfromflorida.c...TUS=IND_DETAIL


    FBI investigating Mateen in 2013 and 2014, but not considered a 'threat' - were there reports forwarded to Florida's licensing agency?
    Last edited by Bob; 12th June 2016 at 21:04.

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